Database Info

[Q] Galaxy S 4G: how much is your application storage?

I caught one with 190MB application storage which is unacceptable for most.
I use MT4 and NS instead of nexus one because of that. Don't ever think app2SD helps because it won't work when the phone is in USB mass storage mode or memory card is removed.

I had about the same until I started adding some of my apps to the phone. I can't even add all my apps because of the internal storage. Can't wait for root and some Roms (CyanogenMod 7).
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App

Man this thing is pissing me off. I can't even install half the apps I had installed on my original Vibrant.

T-mobile should give us options on installing apps as soon as we turn it on. They just throw **** we won't use on the phone and call it a day. Now what if we had no devs nor root or anything like that? Look at what we would be stuck with. In that case people would just return the phone.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App

HeavyComponent said:
T-mobile should give us options on installing apps as soon as we turn it on. They just throw **** we won't use on the phone and call it a day. Now what if we had no devs nor root or anything like that? Look at what we would be stuck with. In that case people would just return the phone.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We can use Titanium Backup to freeze those apps for now right?

Well yeah if you have root access.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App

HeavyComponent said:
Well yeah if you have root access.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool I rooted it and have Titanium Backup installed. Just no CWM yet for ROM Manager.

I have all my appz installed with no issue... honestly 16gb onboard made the vibrant slow. im glad to have less... and I can install as many apps to my sd card as i want.

I see someone has said they have over 500mb of internal, how is that possible and why is mine not the same?

I'm on live chat with T-Mobile right now. The lady just told me...
"Okay, thank you for that information. There definitely seems to be an issue here. I am looking further into this"
So obviously there is a problem

IAIRonI said:
I'm on live chat with T-Mobile right now. The lady just told me...
"Okay, thank you for that information. There definitely seems to be an issue here. I am looking further into this"
So obviously there is a problem
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok cool, let us know what's going on. I have a total of 539MB internal storage.
Specs says 1GB! I read that off phonedog I think.

"You should definitley have more memory than what you are showing. I can get you the manufacturers information. Since it is a Samsung device their support teams will definitely be able to assist you a little better than us at the moment.
_Jessica C: I know that you don't want to go back to the store, but if there is an issue with the device it may be the best bet since it is a new phone. I can also recommend taking it to a T-mobile direct dealer. They may be able to test your software. They know anything and everything about these phones.
_Jessica C: I do apologize but I am limited with my information at the time."
Since it's a new phone she doesn't have all the info, etc. At least they know there is a problem now.
I'm going to go to a t-mobile store and talk to them so I'll let you know what they say

LOL
i doubt that a t mobile rep would know anything and everything about the phone.

Ok, I just got off with a T-Mobile rep and she said the internal memory should have a total of 512MB. ...sucks! But good thing we have a 16GB sdcard.

^I was told 512 ram and 1024 rom. Plus 512 makes no sense when dude a couple posts up said he had 539mb available..sorry not dude above, you said it yourself! lol
HG! said:
LOL
i doubt that a t mobile rep would know anything and everything about the phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know lol. But at least I can exchange my phone. Probably have the same problem but who knows.

Let us know the difference once you get the exchange.
IAIRonI said:
^I was told 512 ram and 1024 rom. Plus 512 makes no sense when dude a couple posts up said he had 539mb available..sorry not dude above, you said it yourself! lol
I know lol. But at least I can exchange my phone. Probably have the same problem but who knows.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok, I can't stand my phone to be on stock so I think I will be going back to my MT4G.
I'll be back when Rom Manager supports the phone, full recovery and some nice ROMs starts flying in. (I WANT CM7!)
...love the screen though! Big difference when coming from the MT4G. :|
I will be checking this section and will be posting as well.
Thanks for all the help guys.

I had a butt-load of apps backed up with titanium and I was able to install all of them with no issues. I started with 539MB internal, I've got 154MB free. I have 220 user apps installed.

aloneinshadow said:
I had a butt-load of apps backed up with titanium and I was able to install all of them with no issues. I started with 539MB internal, I've got 154MB free. I have 220 user apps installed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you get rid of anything that came with the phone?

I only installed about 10 apps and I'm down to 151mb. Kinda sucks. Hoping we can get clockwork recovery soon.
Sent from my SGH-T959V

HeavyComponent said:
Did you get rid of anything that came with the phone?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just a few bloatware things, probably 10 or 15 apps.

Cant make up my mind.....

if I should return this phone or not.
I am coming from the old MT3G, so this is a serious upgrade for me, and I am loving every thing about it, except the memory issue for the apps.
I know that the LG Optimus g2X is probably coming out this month on Tmo, and probably could get on that instead.
I am trying to get everyones opinion on this ... just to get the pros and cons of this compared to that of the LGs.
Would appreciate if you guys can give me your input......
EDIT:
Also, is it possible to return it rooted? Do I need to reload all the bloatware I deleted?

I like the phone, but I cannot recommend over the mytouch 4g. I have both.
+ The screen is amazing, and a huge selling point
+ Takes some of the best HD video ive ever experienced on a mobile phone
+ Snappy phone, no real issues as far of everyday use. It truely is a great phone.
+ Data speeds are very good
- The cheezyness of touchwiz UI and the extreme bloatware
- Totally nerfed the memory, combined with bloatware I only had like 400mb of memory available, why samsung?
-/+ no Flash on Camera, sorry. Camera performs well, but video is very good. Actually takes half decent pics in dim lighting. But having the option for flash would help, again..why samsung?
Other little things with the stock rom, like the browser not able to load in desktop mode and the very well hidden mobile hotspot are annoying but im sure will be resolved with custom Roms.
This phone couldve been a home run, but samsung only trades off some luxuries hardwarewise. The shipping software is tragic, but XDA im sure will come to the rescue. So with that...im keeping it.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA Premium App

i've worked a couple of refurb centers for cell phones and you can return a phone to them with a full custom rom on it if you want. they don't care. they just replace hardware and plastics as necessary and EVERY phone gets plugged in and returned to a factory image. with that in mind... don't tell customer support anything over the phone that would prevent them from setting you up for a phone swap. lol
as for the phone's app issue... not really an issue if you have a moderate understanding of android and know how to move apps to external sd. all in all the phone is great... i recommend it. improved sound and video recording over the original Vibrant. i still have my original Vibrant so i compare them off and on. drastic improvements in some areas such as GPS. no change in others.
give it a go... you've got nothing to lose.

Return it and wait for something better.
I literally can't wait to get my replacement Vibrant 3g in the mail, so I can take this thign back.
I actually really hate it, and feel it's been a step backwards.

Just woundering,where did you hear that the optimus 2x is comming out this month
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App

I have a mytouch 4g so I disagree with the above post. I would so get a galaxy s.
Lol but if you wanna get rid of it....i will trade you my mytouch 4g haha
*Sent from Carmen diva*

Just wait on GS2 Galaxy 4g Is pointless a 4g upgrade no power at all at all lol
Sent from my Dual Core Atrix 1Gig DDR ram 16Gig HD Bio Metrics using XDA Premium App

luckyduck69 said:
i've worked a couple of refurb centers for cell phones and you can return a phone to them with a full custom rom on it if you want. they don't care. they just replace hardware and plastics as necessary and EVERY phone gets plugged in and returned to a factory image. with that in mind... don't tell customer support anything over the phone that would prevent them from setting you up for a phone swap. lol
as for the phone's app issue... not really an issue if you have a moderate understanding of android and know how to move apps to external sd. all in all the phone is great... i recommend it. improved sound and video recording over the original Vibrant. i still have my original Vibrant so i compare them off and on. drastic improvements in some areas such as GPS. no change in others.
give it a go... you've got nothing to lose.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I definitely want to give this one a try, as said coming from the old MT3G, this is a good upgrade, snappy fast. Yes apps can be handled using the app2sd etc, but if waiting for a few more days or weeks will get me a phone where this is not going to be a tradeoff, then I keep thinking that it might be worth waiting.
castro08 said:
Just woundering,where did you hear that the optimus 2x is comming out this month
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am not sure if its being released this month, but cnet, XDA, endgadget all announced it a few days back that Tmobile is going to be getting it this month. The exact launch date i am unsure of. Check out the forum on XDA, they are talking all about it. (of course I might be totally mistaken)
carmeng4evr said:
I have a mytouch 4g so I disagree with the above post. I would so get a galaxy s.
Lol but if you wanna get rid of it....i will trade you my mytouch 4g haha
*Sent from Carmen diva*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ohh no way am I going for the MT4G, they were giving it at free at Costco - from where i upgraded to the SG4G, but chose not to.. nice try though
The only one I think I wanna wait for is the LG phone, since its to be, APPARENTLY, original android etc and it might have the 1 or 2 GB space for apps. Of course its dual core etc, and might get ginerbread much earlier then the samsung.
The drawback on the LG is the screen resolution. And we dont know how the battery life is going to be on it or any other issues.

xxkingpinxx said:
- The cheezyness of touchwiz UI and the extreme bloatware
- Totally nerfed the memory, combined with bloatware I only had like 400mb of memory available, why samsung?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Extreme bloatware? Have you seen a Epic 4G stock... now that is extreme bloatware compared to this.
Additionally, DoubleTwist AirSync is $5, so yeah I guess it's bloatware if you don't use it, but otherwise it's a bonus.
Honestly, I still don't understand everyone's complaint about internal memory. Move the app to the 16gb SD they provided.
Additionally, I was going to get the Nexus S but then I found out it has 16gb internal but no microSD support. I like the ability to change my storage space.

I am also coming from a My Touch 3g (3.5) and I really love the Galaxy S. I was up in the air between Nexus S, My Touch 4g, and this one. The Nexus lost out because no memory slot, the My Touch seemed a little slower (perception maybe) and the screen was not as nice. I can live with the on board memory since I can do a 32 gig card and run most apps that way. Will I regret not waiting...maybe but right now it is the best phone I have had it was easy to root and remove all the garbage I didnt want.
So I say keep it

luckyduck69 said:
as for the phone's app issue... not really an issue if you have a moderate understanding of android and know how to move apps to external sd. all in all the phone is great...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Memory IS an issue. With the type of processor this phone has is geared toward gaming and video. Gaming is great on this phone, but alot of the high quality games needs system resources and still needs a sizable amount of memory on the phone even with SD card data moved, not to mention even the apps that have to use system resources and cannot be moved. From my experience, the paltry memory was used real quick, and I'm not the only one.
joedeveloper said:
Extreme bloatware? Have you seen a Epic 4G stock... now that is extreme bloatware compared to this.
Additionally, DoubleTwist AirSync is $5, so yeah I guess it's bloatware if you don't use it, but otherwise it's a bonus.
Honestly, I still don't understand everyone's complaint about internal memory. Move the app to the 16gb SD they provided.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No I haven't seen Epic 4g stock.
Im a 6yr Tmobile employee, I beta test and get my phones free, so I've been thru almost all our phones. This one has to have the most on board "bloatware" I've come across out of all our phones. Now bloatware to me by definition are software that should be OPTIONAL to the end user but is not and remains on the phone using memory and not being used.
A few apps I don't use and would like to be removed,
amazon mp3 - 1.12mb
Tmobile Backup- 1.15mb
Kindle- 2.68mb
Layer- 3.0mb
Media Hub- 4.47mb
My Account- 1.35mb
Slacker Radio- 2.40mb
T-Mobile TV- 4.48mb
TeleNav GPS- 1.97mb
ThinkFree Office- 9.18mb
Y! Finance Clock- 1.2mb
Now thats only app size, not to mention the cached data and background resources these apps use. And thats just some of the stuff, I do use some of the other apps already on the phone.
Really the point I'm trying to make is that most upper tier Android phones, (which this should fall in that catagory) should almost be a prerequisite to have a sizable amount of onboard memory available to the end user and this one doesn't. Why does the vibrant have sizable memory and this doesn't?
And BTW, I do not know why everybody is dogging the MyTouch 4G, it can do everything the Gs4G can do, and has memory and camera flash and only .2 of an inch smaller screen, and of course HTC made so updates and large XDA support. Like I said...I like the Galaxy S 4G but feel I made a lateral move from the MyTouch 4G.

castro08 said:
Just woundering,where did you hear that the optimus 2x is comming out this month
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Id like to know the same..
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA Premium App

Impressions of my new G2X

Got mine this afternoon and I'm coming from a Verizon Incredible running CyanogenMod 7 so I have quite a lot of Android experience and I've seen the latest stuff (gingerbread). I also have a XOOM.
So I got my G2X and here are my impressions:
++ Screen is just WOW. Coming from AMOLED I was not expecting much but it really blew me away - it's almost too bright from what I'm used to. Outdoors it is super easy to read which is a big plus from an AMOLED. Would have been perfect with qHD but the current resolution is good enough for me
++ Build quality is superb. Very solid in hand, no creaks or cheap feeling parts. Back feels good and side is great. Mine came with a nice screen protector already on the screen so I'm leaving it on for now. It seems pretty high quality. I love the weight/feel of it though.
++ Speaker on the bottom. Sounds OK...the notifications/ringtones are super loud but the music didn't seem as loud? Not a big deal. It sounds better than when the speaker is in the back like the Inc.
++ WiFi is mind blowing fast. I get 30mbps/15mbps on my N Wifi. Thats as fast as an iPad2 and XOOM and a little slower than an i7 Macbook Pro!! This thing is balls out fast on WiFi if you have N. Worth getting an N router if you don't!
++ Cell signal seems good although it seems slow to pickup/switch from WiFi to 3G, etc. Haven't used it enough to make a judgement on this. Speed outdoors with full bars and 4G showing is just so-so...about 1.5mbps down and 1.5mbps up. But then again I'm in NYC area so too many people probably.
++ Speed - this thing is a beast. 2500+ in quadrant stock and just very speedy in using apps. The browser seems responsive and flash seems very smooth in general. Downloads (see wifi speed up) from Market and installs are blindingly fast.
++ No crapware!! Only stuff is TMobile apps which are reasonable like myAccount and mydevice, etc. I can live with that. The games they put on are pretty awesome (Nova and NFS is a good start).
++ Wifi Calling - never had before and I think it's awesome. Seems to work quite well. When on, the cell signal bars go to zero so I'm guessing it turns off the cell radio? is this true? If so that'd be good.
++ Boot time is kind of ridiculously fast - about 10-15 seconds on average from cold start.
-- Stock Froyo launcher is mehh. Was fun for a bit but then I couldn't stand the 5 screens and lack of functionality. I ended up sticking launcher pro on it and so far it's good although LP is smooth/fast it's still laggy at times which is odd. On the bright side, I can run the Nexus Live wallpaper and it seems to have no impact on overall performance
-- I miss Gingerbread more than I thought. Mainly text selection is none existent in Froyo and it's annoying to say the least
-- Car Home that comes with the G2X is old and crappy. You can't install the new one from Market because it's not marked as compatible. I was able to BT the file over from my Incredible and luckily it installed fine and seems to work.
I haven't had a chance to play with the cameras yet and haven't had a chance to test the battery either so will post back if there's any surprises on those.
Overall I'm very happy so far. I'm going to try it out for a week or two and then if I still love it, port over my Verizon #. Any questions?
See my post further down!!! There are 2 items that may be issues for people!!

Nice post.... How much memory is accessible for apps? And what's the full ram with all apps closed/bootup .... Thanks man. Awesome review

Nice. Thanks.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA Premium App

smashpunks said:
Nice post.... How much memory is accessible for apps? And what's the full ram with all apps closed/bootup .... Thanks man. Awesome review
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure about first boot but based on Anandtech's review of the O2X and what I'm seeing in OS monitor only looks like 384!! 128MB of the 512MB ram is dedicated to the Nvidia GPU/CPU so that only leaves 384.
OH and one other thing that's extremely annoying is how the SD card is handled in this phone. The internal 5GB of free storage is actually mounted as SDCARD!!! /mnt/sdcard
The external SD card is mounted as /mnt/sdcard/_ExternalSD
So any and all apps end up writing to the internal 5GB and not the external SD. You have to have apps that can have paths changed and I guess you can still store pictures, music and other junk on the SD card but you'll end up using your internal 5GB for most app stuff whether you like it or not!!
So that's a big --- for me I forgot to add

Great summary, thanks for that !

mobilehavoc said:
++ Wifi Calling - never had before and I think it's awesome. Seems to work quite well. When on, the cell signal bars go to zero so I'm guessing it turns off the cell radio? is this true? If so that'd be good.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know if you travel internationally but WiFi calling is a lifesaver. Anywhere you can connect to the Internet all the calls you make are counted as U.S. domestic against your U.S. minutes. I'm in Europe and Asia a lot and it's saved me a fortune in roaming charges. I just used it on a cruise ship to call home for the 25 cents a minute the ship charges for WiFi access. You can also use it on GoGo to call and text from planes. I've done the latter but wouldn't want to become a national security risk doing the former. And yes, it deactivates the radio so calls, text, and data are transmitted via WiFi.

Thanks for the early review. I played with in the store the other day, and the screen is nice. I currently have a nexus s, and the G2x screen is on par with the nexus s. The G2x actually has more pop with the color. The phone feels well made, and it's a beast very snappy. I'm still debating, whether to sale my nexus s. Decisions decisions.

How is the GPS accuracy guys? Can you post a few screenshots from GPS status app from market?

Call quality? Maybe it's just my ears, but my vibrant really bites when it comes to this. Too low without HAC and everyone always sounds muffled..

fearmonkey said:
Call quality? Maybe it's just my ears, but my vibrant really bites when it comes to this. Too low without HAC and everyone always sounds muffled..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A few calls I've made the earpiece is very clear and loud...couldn't put it at full volume because it was too loud which is a good thing. My Inc's earpiece was somewhat quiet.

I too was amazed at how great the screen is. It's bright and the colors POP! The blacks are not as rich as Sammy's but to me the display looks better because that bluish tinge is not on the G2x. I can't wait to get gingerbread on here and then this will probably end up being my favorite device to date.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App

I dont believe anybody mentioned if tethering is working on this phone? I am sure with rooting and custom ROMS it will work. But, I am just curious does it work right out of box?

ceroglu said:
I dont believe anybody mentioned if tethering is working on this phone? I am sure with rooting and custom ROMS it will work. But, I am just curious does it work right out of box?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It works right out the box.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App

mobilehavoc said:
Not sure about first boot but based on Anandtech's review of the O2X and what I'm seeing in OS monitor only looks like 384!! 128MB of the 512MB ram is dedicated to the Nvidia GPU/CPU so that only leaves 384.
OH and one other thing that's extremely annoying is how the SD card is handled in this phone. The internal 5GB of free storage is actually mounted as SDCARD!!! /mnt/sdcard
The external SD card is mounted as /mnt/sdcard/_ExternalSD
So any and all apps end up writing to the internal 5GB and not the external SD. You have to have apps that can have paths changed and I guess you can still store pictures, music and other junk on the SD card but you'll end up using your internal 5GB for most app stuff whether you like it or not!!
So that's a big --- for me I forgot to add
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is basically the same as the Vibrant (what I used to have until recently). That amount of available memory is plenty imho. The "sdcard, _externalsd" thing is getting to be pretty standard from what I understand. However, I could still move a great number of apps over to the external SD if I wanted (never really wanted to though).
I wouldn't have minded a bit more internal storage (coming from 16 Gig on the Vibrant), but 5 Gig is still pretty good. With 16, I really never used my external SD at all. With 5, I may have to put some on each or use the external as primary storage and internal for apps and roms (no big deal).

I'm picking 7mbps inside home which usually its not good signal. My Tb have very bad 4g signal inside here. But out when tb gets good lte signal it blows the G2x but overall its a great phone. A keeper
Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk

MWBehr said:
This is basically the same as the Vibrant (what I used to have until recently). That amount of available memory is plenty imho. The "sdcard, _externalsd" thing is getting to be pretty standard from what I understand. However, I could still move a great number of apps over to the external SD if I wanted (never really wanted to though).
I wouldn't have minded a bit more internal storage (coming from 16 Gig on the Vibrant), but 5 Gig is still pretty good. With 16, I really never used my external SD at all. With 5, I may have to put some on each or use the external as primary storage and internal for apps and roms (no big deal).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree, this will be fine for me, I'm used to my vibrant like that.. 5 is plenty for apps and data, then ill use my sd for multimedia ..

Awsome device, no problems.
Got it yesterday, charged it up. So no problems thus far. No reboots,no stalls.
Its as quick as hell, and seems to be holding a charge pretty well.
Holds a 4g signal better than the MyTouch 4g it replaced.
Screen is beautiful. Better than the SGS4G i replaced with the MT4G.
Contrary to what everyone is saying the 512mgs of ram seems to have no negative impact on performance.
IMO this would be an appropriate upgrade for anyone with a SGS4G,G2,MyTouch4G or Cliq 2. It screams speed.
fhaines

tsalate said:
It works right out the box.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
without having to pay tmo???

twoeleven99 said:
without having to pay tmo???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think they have a way to lock it down on a completely stock device.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium App

My tethering has worked from day one of getting Froyo on my N1 for free. No tmo charges added to my EMP plan.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

[Q] Dissapointed with Nexus S ,are u?

hi all
after waiting of six month when arrived to Iraq ,and i bought Nexus S I9023 with 500 $ , after 4 days iam very disappointed because:
1.rooting and recovery very difficult .
2.there is no Radio
3.there is no Zoom in camera.
4.will damage and not work with two different ROM ,this problem i didnt get it with my old DEsire.
5.Internal Storage , so there is no SDcard thats a bit problem.
there is solution to these problem?
now planning to get HTC Desire HD .
are also diissapointed?
thanks.

1. No it's not, it's easy
2. Can't do a lot about that, a dev might figure it out though
3. Digital zoom is turd and shouldn't exist anyway
4. Pardon?
5. Yes that was a poor decision

cutiyar said:
hi all
after waiting of six month when arrived to Iraq ,and i bought Nexus S I9023 with 500 $ , after 4 days iam very disappointed because:
1.rooting and recovery very difficult .
2.there is no Radio
3.there is no Zoom in camera.
4.will damage and not work with two different ROM ,this problem i didnt get it with my old DEsire.
5.Internal Storage , so there is no SDcard thats a bit problem.
there is solution to these problem?
now planning to get HTC Desire HD .
are also diissapointed?
thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i'm very satisfied
but i am very sad about arabic language

My friend has a Desire HD and he is lucky if his battery lasts the whole day with wifi, gps and sync turned off. With my nexus s I can easily make it through two days with light use.
The rooting/custom recovery/custom rom process should be the easiest among all android devices since it is a pure google phone meant for developers.

oh man its a devphone why a dev want fm and rooting is easy as pie! fastboot oem unlock & fastboot flash recovery Name.img
what is the difficult?
zoom on camera is silly, you can make a photo and "zoom" in gallery.. same quality as digital zoom
maybe you flashed the roms false? not the devs fault ;D
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA Premium App

cutiyar said:
1.rooting and recovery very difficult .
2.there is no Radio
3.there is no Zoom in camera.
4.will damage and not work with two different ROM ,this problem i didnt get it with my old DEsire.
5.Internal Storage , so there is no SDcard thats a bit problem.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Err, no. The thing's wide open, you don't even need any exploit code. Care to share your difficulties?
True, but you knew that beforehand (and who knows, maybe the FM radio that's inside it can be brought to life).
Where would you put a zoom lens? Not enough space. "Zooming" in software just lowers the image quality. You can do the same in post-processing by cropping to an area and enlarging that.
Sorry, I didn't quite understand that sentence.
As a matter of fact I agree with you but again, you knew that before you bought it.

1. You rooted a Desire (and s-offed maybe?) and you're saying that nexus s is hard to root? Jesus Christ people what's wrong with you?
2. Who listens to FM radio nowadays? We're in 2011, move on.
3. Why? To reduce quality? Kick ass feature indeed, you can zoom in gallery anyway.
4. Not our problem you can't read ROM descriptions. Besides, the two phone models were already splitted in to 2 different forums.
5. I'm still trying to figure it out why people need more then ~10gb of storage on a phone. Even with 1000 mp3s and a few movies, plus sd card files for certain HD games, you'd still have enough with the 16gb memory.
Instead of crying because of these non sense "dissapointments", you should wine about the laggy browser or about the fact that we only actually have 300mb RAM (since 200 are used for the GPU).

lvnatic said:
2. Who listens to FM radio nowadays?
5. I'm still trying to figure it out why people need more then ~10gb of storage
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
2. I do, because streaming local radio stations over the internet is generally wasteful (all that tech, just to listen to radio), doesn't work right (mobile internet just isn't reliable enough), is expensive (my data allowance is large but streaming radio will eat it like that) and drains the battery.
5. I don't need more storage but I'd like to be able to physically remove most of my personal data from the phone, to back it up or even just stick it in the next model. Even if I drop my phone and it's toast a microSD card could probably be salvaged. Built-in storage also takes away choice: How much storage do I need? How fast does it need to be? And lastly, cards can be re-used in a lot of different devices, which I prefer over buying new storage for every one.

fallenguru said:
2. I do, because streaming local radio stations over the internet is generally wasteful (all that tech, just to listen to radio), doesn't work right (mobile internet just isn't reliable enough), is expensive (my data allowance is large but streaming radio will eat it like that) and drains the battery.
5. I don't need more storage but I'd like to be able to physically remove most of my personal data from the phone, to back it up or even just stick it in the next model. Even if I drop my phone and it's toast a microSD card could probably be salvaged. Built-in storage also takes away choice: How much storage do I need? How fast does it need to be? And lastly, cards can be re-used in a lot of different devices, which I prefer over buying new storage for every one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
while you might have a point for the radio thing, i kind of disagree with the storage thing. the purpose of storage is not to store your important data. you should in fact never do that. What if you lose your phone or it gets stolen?
I think this is the tech era evolving and that you have choices like google docs, dropbox, picasa.... for storage which is easily accesible (even through your computer at home) and safer.

only complaints i have are battery life(decent), icon looks garbage (thank god for customizable icons but still a hassle...wish the market made a standard for a xxx amount of pixel/size for icons or something. more continuity with the icons) and RAM....the ram is just not enough. /sigh
not really disappointed as i give this phone a 8.5/10 and i was a previous iphone 4 user.

cutiyar said:
hi all
after waiting of six month when arrived to Iraq ,and i bought Nexus S I9023 with 500 $ , after 4 days iam very disappointed because:
1.rooting and recovery very difficult .
2.there is no Radio
3.there is no Zoom in camera.
4.will damage and not work with two different ROM ,this problem i didnt get it with my old DEsire.
5.Internal Storage , so there is no SDcard thats a bit problem.
there is solution to these problem?
now planning to get HTC Desire HD .
are also diissapointed?
thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1. Rooting & Recovery is not difficult at all. It's one of the most simpliest. One-clicks do not count. This phone is one of the few phones that permit unlocking the bootloader. Other phones' (with the exception of the N1) unlock their bootloader by using Android exploits.
2. There is a radio. Every phone has a radio including a flip phone.
3. All zooms in phones are not real "zooms." Real zooms consist of physical zoom.
4. ROMs doesn't damage your phone. It's because of something you did wrong.
5. If SDCard was such a problem, why did you get the phone in the first place? You should of done your research before buying the phone.

The only thing I'm disappointed with is the fact that they go ahead and release a 4G model a couple months later.

fallenguru said:
2. I do, because streaming local radio stations over the internet is generally wasteful (all that tech, just to listen to radio), doesn't work right (mobile internet just isn't reliable enough), is expensive (my data allowance is large but streaming radio will eat it like that) and drains the battery.
5. I don't need more storage but I'd like to be able to physically remove most of my personal data from the phone, to back it up or even just stick it in the next model. Even if I drop my phone and it's toast a microSD card could probably be salvaged. Built-in storage also takes away choice: How much storage do I need? How fast does it need to be? And lastly, cards can be re-used in a lot of different devices, which I prefer over buying new storage for every one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Data allowance?? That must be a T-Mobile thiing...because on Sprint the data is unlimited.

Quis89 said:
Data allowance?? That must be a T-Mobile thiing...because on Sprint the data is unlimited.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LoL he's in Austria dude
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

You should have gotten Galaxy S instead.
FM Radio, expandable SD card slot but no camera flash.

cutiyar said:
hi all
after waiting of six month when arrived to Iraq ,and i bought Nexus S I9023 with 500 $ , after 4 days iam very disappointed because:
1.rooting and recovery very difficult .
2.there is no Radio
3.there is no Zoom in camera.
4.will damage and not work with two different ROM ,this problem i didnt get it with my old DEsire.
5.Internal Storage , so there is no SDcard thats a bit problem.
there is solution to these problem?
now planning to get HTC Desire HD .
are also diissapointed?
thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im not disappointed generally
the only thing i dont like is the lack of Sim Toolkit coz i cant access my SImcard's menu like banking and all, plus Google removed FB sync for Nexus S. and the compass screws up a lot too, which is impt for me when using maps coz I drive a lot.
but i can live without the sim toolkit and the fb sync... its the compass that bothers me.

lordnikon11 said:
You should have gotten Galaxy S instead.
FM Radio, expandable SD card slot but no camera flash.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
maybe you mean Galaxy S 2 its really a piece of art from inside and outside

asim1401 said:
maybe you mean Galaxy S 2 its really a piece of art from inside and outside
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No I meant Galaxy S.
The S2 is a different league.

deeren said:
while you might have a point for the radio thing, i kind of disagree with the storage thing. the purpose of storage is not to store your important data. [...] I think this is the tech era evolving and that you have choices like google docs, dropbox, picasa.... for storage which is easily accesible [...] and safer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Important, hm, not that important mostly, just a hassle to re-create. And I do use it to transport data between home and work ... let's settle for sometimes important data . If I had important data on there I'd certainly not upload it into some cloud. Also sometimes it isn't practical. Store my music and videos in the cloud, whoever thought of that. So it can skip and eat up bandwidth?
melloyellowkc said:
only complaints i have are battery life
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Really, mine's excellent, as long as Latitude is off. What does it say is using it?
zephiK said:
2. There is a radio. Every phone has a radio including a flip phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You realize what (s)he meant, right?
Quis89 said:
Data allowance?? That must be a T-Mobile thiing...because on Sprint the data is unlimited.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is a forum with a very international user base, which is great. I've seen flags here that I didn't know existed. Why do so many Americans still assume every one else is from there, too?
Anyway, I'm in Austria and pay €4 / GB. Even if it wasn't limited it still shouldn't be wasted. Wireless bandwidth is scarce no matter what you do.

thanks for all our posts.
i Cant answer all posts but :
1. there is no radio but mr.zephiK said there is , u can tell where to get it?
2. r u in same ?? u say yes there is zoom in but u have to zoom it from gallery , so all phones should remove zoom button , this company pay alot of money to have good lens for zoom in .
3. Mr. Rusty doesnt need pardon i tried modaco and cyaogen mod ROM but they will damage some times.
thanks .

No SD slot?

[Q] With the Galaxy Nexus coming, my only concern is the lack of SD slot. So I thought I'd ask you Nexus S owners what it's like living without an SD card. Is it a pain, or is it not a big deal outside of not being able to increase space?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

JaylanPHNX said:
[Q] With the Galaxy Nexus coming, my only concern is the lack of SD slot. So I thought I'd ask you Nexus S owners what it's like living without an SD card. Is it a pain, or is it not a big deal outside of not being able to increase space?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've never once been in a situation where i do not have enough space.
So far it has been more than enough for me. I DO use google music however, so that saves a lot of space.

JaylanPHNX said:
[Q] With the Galaxy Nexus coming, my only concern is the lack of SD slot. So I thought I'd ask you Nexus S owners what it's like living without an SD card. Is it a pain, or is it not a big deal outside of not being able to increase space?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I believe it brings an SD Card. Also its not a pain at least on my end. I haven't reached 6 gb yet and we all have 16 here. Unless u put massive amounts of music into your Memory then that's when Ull have to worry lol. But there's Google music for that (if u haven't been invited yet) I use it all the time but quality is alright, with voodoo its better than beats
Sent From In between Your Moms Boobies

I don't care about no SD card. It is pointless to me.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

i was worried about it too at first but imo the transfer speeds make it all worth it.
and for the record the "16bg" actually amounts to .98gb internal storage and 13.31gb usb storage.

Not a big deal, I hardly fill even half of it..heck my previous milestone with sdcard slot+8gb experienced the same.
again, depends on your usage behavior..horses for courses.

I wasn't sure at first but don't miss having card slot in the end. 16gb is a lot (roughly half full local music and all) and btw the Galaxy Nexus even offers 32gb model (Expansys is listing it in both 16gb and 32gb) if you need more space.
In the end i don't regret getting my Nexus S (I miss not getting it in black tho).

Not a deal breaker in my opinion. Whether it's 16GB or 32GB, you'll find a way to fill it and have to transfer anyways.

I do use my 32GB card for a lot of music, but if Google music becomes more available, then perhaps that won't be an issue. Except I do love my PowerAmp.
Does it make flashing new ROMs any different?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

JaylanPHNX said:
I do use my 32GB card for a lot of music, but if Google music becomes more available, then perhaps that won't be an issue. Except I do love my PowerAmp.
Does it make flashing new ROMs any different?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No. Its important to remember there IS a 16 or 32 gb partition that behaves exactly as SD card, the only difference is you cannot remove it. But I don't think of this as a problem because you can just mount it to PC and copy/move everything all the same.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

Cool. Well maybe the Galaxy Nexus is on my plate after all. Thanks for the info, guys.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

No external sd is the reason not to buy this phone for me.

kiez said:
No external sd is the reason not to buy this phone for me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Please explain why you "need" tho be able to remove it?
If you want stuff off it it's quicker to mount it and copy

For me, the issue was never about removing it, but more about whether it changed anything as far as modding is concerned. That, and the fact that I could get a galaxy s 2 or even Droid razor with 16 GB of memory then add my 32 GB card for enough space to replace my Zune.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

I thought it would be a huge sacrifice before I bought the NS but it has really been a non-issue. There is plenty of space for apps + pictures and I use Subsonic for music. Only issue I foresee is if you plan on shooting several hours of 1080p video as that will easily eat up 16GB.

I've had my NS4G for about 2 weeks after having an xperia x10 for a year with an sd card for storage.
I use mine for music, and I come very close to filling it on a regular basis....I'd love to have the option to recycle my old 8gb card from my old phone, but I can't. And no, it doesn't hold "a ton" of music, as previously stated. I have about 4gb of music and about 4gb for apps, roms, backups, etc. and I have to always pick what music I want to transfer, and what music I am going to sacrifice.
Honestly, it's not THAT big of a deal, but having an option to expand your storage would be a no-brainer, I would think. It's not like it costs that much to add an sd slot...and I'm sure people who use their phone as an mp3 player, video camera, whatever, would happily pay an extra few $$ for the option to be able to expand your storage.
Also, I find it easiest to transfer apps to other people by just backing them up to SD card and inserting it in their phone for a quick install....I can't do this anymore, which means I have to jump through hoops and email the app or worse, use bluetooth, which is always a headache with people who don't know what they are doing.....ALWAYS. SD just saves me from the headaches.
Installing roms, apps, flashing zips, etc is exactly the same...you'll never even notice the difference unless you like to remove your sd card to transfer files all the time, or something like that.
In the long run it's up to you, and if you are used to having expandable storage, you will definitely miss it....but it's the size of the sacrifice that makes it a deal breaker or not.

JaylanPHNX said:
I do use my 32GB card for a lot of music, but if Google music becomes more available, then perhaps that won't be an issue. Except I do love my PowerAmp.
Does it make flashing new ROMs any different?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hey if you want a google music invite PM your email
I rarely miss sd card slot actually never. Google music has all my music and it works every well you can even download your tracks for offline use.Plus my spotify account
I suppose if for someone that wants to load their phone with blueray rips and be able to watch every movie they every owned at any given second it might be a difficult situation.
Flashing roms is the same since your 16gb is partition for internal space then 12gb is left for storage and it acts the same as a sd card, even in a file manager it will show as teh sd card hope this helps

Didn't google release an API for google music, or am I thinking of something else. I would love it if PowerAmp could access google music streaming.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

BrianDigital said:
hey if you want a google music invite PM your email
I rarely miss sd card slot actually never. Google music has all my music and it works every well you can even download your tracks for offline use.Plus my spotify account
I suppose if for someone that wants to load their phone with blueray rips and be able to watch every movie they every owned at any given second it might be a difficult situation.
Flashing roms is the same since your 16gb is partition for internal space then 12gb is left for storage and it acts the same as a sd card, even in a file manager it will show as teh sd card hope this helps
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True blu ray rips are over 16gb most times....so good luck even fitting one lol It's hard to even find an m-HD movie that's under 1gb!!

markhirt said:
Please explain why you "need" tho be able to remove it?
If you want stuff off it it's quicker to mount it and copy
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you don't have a computer or laptop with you, then you can't mount to anything.
I can put GB's of movies on cards and swap them out whenever I want when traveling.
I have 80GB of music. I guess if you have a small amount of music or only want to carry a small % with you, then internal memory is fine.
If you keep phones 2 years (like most do on contract), 32GB might seem like a lot now, but how will that look in 20 months? With a card slot, it isn't an issue- you can upgrade anytime.
All that being said, for most people 32GB with no card slot is probably enough.