I'm actually surprised so many flashed ATT 2.2.
So who is still sticking to our awesome dev creations while awaiting a KB1 cooked rom (from source)?
Supernova here and can't give it up!
Why would I want captivate froyo? They did such a good job with jf6, and jh7. I will wait for the devs to use source and improve on it
Running ryudes kb1. No complaints here.
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Why would I want captivate froyo? They did such a good job with jf6, and jh7. I will wait for the devs to use source and improve on it
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Same here. There is no way I would trade Andromeda for a bloatware filled stock rom.
I've been very happy with Firefly (2.2 so far). Not planning to try the AT&T Froyo unless I find some super features not available on any custom ROM.
Andromeda 2.1 here, ain't turning back to stock.
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
Really loving my Perception 10.4, sad that DG isn't supporting anymore. Baffles me why so many on this forum are flashing the ATT rom
Runnin darky's ROM...extremely satisfied with it...waiting for Cog4 to incorporate more features and then am gonna flash that..also waiting for MIUI and CM7....stock at&t/samsung releases dont even come close to what the DEVs are cooking here....
EPIC AWESOME JOB!!!! u guys are greaat!
I am on a hand modified KB1 now. I was on Cognition 2.3b8 based off of JJ4 before that. I tried going from Cognition 2.3 to Perception (based off the Armani Captivate) for a couple of weeks, but ran into connection lost when fully charged and randomly issue. This turned my phone into a battery hog (as it searched for signal while without connection) and an unreliable communication device. After researching it, I realized that the issue is present in most non i897 ROMs, and went back to Cognition 2.3b8 (not Cognition 3.x, because it is a i896 base ROM). Since Cognition 4 and Torch 1.x were not available immediately after release, I decided to go back to my old hand tuned stock setup, with KB1 as a base. I am very happy with what I have . I do miss a few niceties like extended power button menu, battery indicator mod, and lock screen tweaks, but not enough to flash the custom KB1 ROMs yet. I will likely make the switch once Samsung releases the source code for KB1, and custom ROMs start putting in some fixes like Voodoo Color, Sound, and BLN, which are not possible by hand editing system files.
Firefly 2.3 + Awesome modem. Why would I ever want to flash more crap/bloatware onto my phone. Samsung doesn't release very good "updates", and ATT adds to their failures. I'll stick with my ROMs thank you
I'm running Serendipity 5.11. Why downgrade to the AT&T release?
Most are using 2.2.1 as a base for cooked ROMs so AT$T's 2.2 would be a step backwards. Not even worth developing IMO.
AT$T = Too little too late......
I just got my captivate today and as I watched the usps tracking site and read the reports of the long awaited froyo, I felt so lucky that I wouldn't have to wait.
However, after fifteen minutes with eclair I knew that I'd be on fire fly 2.3 by the end of the day.
So no stock for me period.
I must say the idea of using kies wasn't encouraging at all.
Thank you tireless devs for saving me from the doldrums of stock bloated firmware!
Sent from my liberated SGH-I897 using XDA App
<--------------this guy is fat and happy on Serendipity 5.11. AT&T Bloatware?? NO WAY! Speed? Hell yeah! Lag? Not me!
Bruce Inman said:
Most are using 2.2.1 as a base for cooked ROMs so AT$T's 2.2 would be a step backwards. Not even worth developing IMO.
AT$T = Too little too late......
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AT&T i897 Codebase Pros:
Audience chip enabled
No network compatibility issues
No need for adding rotation fixes, button fixes, etc. in the kernel, and thus less chance of coding errors
Better rendering by 2.2 browser without checkerboarding
Bluetooth static issues do not exist
AT&T i897 Codebase Cons:
No HSUPA (HSDPA works)
Less bloatware to remove to begin with
Lack of fixes from android 2.2.1 codebase
Fewer options available for tweaking due to carrier locked ROM
Fewer developers working on uncovered issues compared to i9000
You can't just ignore the native device ROM because of the minor version downgrade.
rajendra82 said:
AT&T i897 Codebase Pros:
Audience chip enabled
No network compatibility issues
No need for adding rotation fixes, button fixes, etc. in the kernel, and thus less chance of coding errors
Better rendering by 2.2 browser without checkerboarding
Bluetooth static issues do not exist
AT&T i897 Codebase Cons:
No HSUPA (HSDPA works)
Less bloatware to remove to begin with
Lack of fixes from android 2.2.1 codebase
Fewer options available for tweaking due to carrier locked ROM
Fewer developers working on uncovered issues compared to i9000
You can't just ignore the native device ROM because of the minor version downgrade.
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At this time it its not just a minor version downgrade. Devs have been working on and improving 2.2.1 for months. Advancements through development make it a major downgrade.
Source may provide great improvements
I waited for the official 2.2 rom. one reason was seeing all the post about how some flashed a rom and something stopped working. Then there was all the rigging you had to do to get things like the market to to work because the Captiviate wasn't "officially" on 2.2 yet. I am hoping some of the devs here will take the official rom and fix it.
Plus my gps and such worked fine right out the box so I decided to wait until official 2.2 to start tricking out my phone.
I am running Pargaon RC6 and would never go back to stock 2.2. There are some advantages to go with the stock, but more advantages running a custom rom to me...I will wait until the developers use the stock source to improve the custom roms!
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At this time it its not just a minor version downgrade. Devs have been working on and improving 2.2.1 for months. Advancements through development make it a major downgrade.
Source may provide great improvements
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Most of those are likely patachable into the 2.2 Captivate base as needed, once Samsung makes the source code available. Some of these improvements were related to making the non native 2.2.1 based code work on the Captivate in the first place, and might not be needed for the native 2.2 code.
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Most of those are likely patachable into the 2.2 Captivate base as needed, once Samsung makes the source code available. Some of these improvements were related to making the non native 2.2.1 based code work on the Captivate in the first place, and might not be needed for the native 2.2 code.
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It will take a while to be able to patch every thing, thus current roms still better option. In my opinion
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I tried Cog and didn't like it and so now I'm back on the leaked ODIN one click Froyo
What are the main disadvantages of running this build versus Eclair?
There was an issues thread in the dev section when JI6 came out (that is the first leaked beta). it is stable, but had issues with email forwarding and replying not including the original email. There were other issues as well - I think BT sound was one of the big ones; and sound from wired headsets not working during a call.
There aren't any real disadvantages per say. You will lose the ability to update to Froyo when it is eventually released, but if you are like the rest of us on hear who the hell cares? That is why we love our devs bc they take that released Froyo, rip it apart and put it back together in a way that is so much better than the original. Other than that just read through the threads. Axura is the best ROM in my opinion. I have seriously tried them all and it is the fastest, smoothest and most appealing. Everything works on it as well. Even GPS if you have a later model phone.
Like everybody else, I've been waiting for official froyo for a loooong time.... If samsung of att don't release it by next week, I'll flash my cappy with cutom rom...
Any one wants to give me an advice which rom is the most reliable and widely used?? Also, please post a link to get it??? Thanks in advance.:
I just recently started flashing ROMs and Serendipity has been running great. I suggest you head on over to the Development forum and:
1) Read the guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884364
2) Read the comments from the different ROM threads to see which one seems stable.
Any one of DesignGears roms are extremely popular.
Perception:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=897538
Cognition: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786532
I personally use Darkys as I love the look and feel and I have perfect gps with it.
Darky: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=890429
My vote is for Darkys as I use it day to day and love it. I've used both perception and cognition and I liked perception the best of the two. However the version I was running was older and I had an undervolted kernel so I don't know how the newer ones perform.
minlee85 said:
Like everybody else, I've been waiting for official froyo for a loooong time.... If samsung of att don't release it by next week, I'll flash my cappy with cutom rom...
Any one wants to give me an advice which rom is the most reliable and widely used?? Also, please post a link to get it??? Thanks in advance.:
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Just so you know, everyone has a different opinion in terms of roms. First off, learn what you're doing, then you can flash whatever rom catches your eye. That way you can figure out which one you want most.
What are you waiting for? The captivate has had froyo for months
minlee85 said:
Like everybody else, I've been waiting for official froyo for a loooong time.... If samsung of att don't release it by next week, I'll flash my cappy with cutom rom...
Any one wants to give me an advice which rom is the most reliable and widely used?? Also, please post a link to get it??? Thanks in advance.:
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You have a lot to learn before you start flashing Roms. This is your first post and even if you are a lurker you would know where to find the info on what to do. Please do your own research and where to find Roms because you will eventually run in to the issue of a soft brick and no one wants you to not know what to do in that point. Read as much as you can before doing anything, unless you don't care if you get stuck and have time to troubleshoot. But don't ask for links because all you need to do is look in the dev section for the Roms.
I appreciate your concern....just so you know, I've been reading and researching the threads for months, I've already rooted and sideloaded my phone....just didn't have a chance to register until now... I love this forum and want to get involved in actively.. I'm not the person who selfishly get waht he wants and just leave...
secretasianman said:
I just recently started flashing ROMs and Serendipity has been running great. I suggest you head on over to the Development forum and:
1) Read the guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884364
2) Read the comments from the different ROM threads to see which one seems stable.
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Thanks!!! that's great..
nybmx said:
Any one of DesignGears roms are extremely popular.
Perception:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=897538
Cognition: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786532
I personally use Darkys as I love the look and feel and I have perfect gps with it.
Darky: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=890429
My vote is for Darkys as I use it day to day and love it. I've used both perception and cognition and I liked perception the best of the two. However the version I was running was older and I had an undervolted kernel so I don't know how the newer ones perform.
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Thank you for your advice...I've heard about perception and cognition but I'm not familiar with Darkys...what would you say the difference??? Thanks again...
Start with a clean rom like serendipity & make sure you read instructions from all roms that way you can see which steps are most important and which ones are just special instructions to that specific rom. Do as much research as u can bare & don't do anything stupid you'll be fine
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
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What are you waiting for? The captivate has had froyo for months
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No it hasn't and you know it. He's talking about an official release, not a hacked-up ROM based upon beta code or code for different hardware (I9000).
No need to be cocky.
Minlee, multi-quote your posts instead of triple posting.
I've started running custom ROMs. Tried both Perception and Serendipity for like 1 day each, and so far, I'm liking Perception more. But I'm not going to flash again unless I have to as I have some problems where I'm getting my calls dropped.
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No it hasn't and you know it. He's talking about an official release, not a hacked-up ROM based upon beta code or code for different hardware (I9000).
No need to be cocky.
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Why so angry
geokilla said:
Minlee, multi-quote your posts instead of triple posting.
I've started running custom ROMs. Tried both Perception and Serendipity for like 1 day each, and so far, I'm liking Perception more. But I'm not going to flash again unless I have to as I have some problems where I'm getting my calls dropped.
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I heard Perception is based on I9000 not SGH-I897.. Did you have any problem like dropped calls or anything??? When you flash the rom, did you have to flash the modem and kernel separately or just flash the rom and it takes care everything???
minlee85 said:
I heard Perception is based on I9000 not SGH-I897.. Did you have any problem like dropped calls or anything??? When you flash the rom, did you have to flash the modem and kernel separately or just flash the rom and it takes care everything???
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Rom does everything. Dropped calls are not an issue for me, but reach phone is different
I have very limited experience (I've tried 7 or 8 ROMS) but I've found the GT-I9000 based ROMS to be the best of the bunch, so far.
W/Cezar's I had to switch modems (receptions was awesome when I did) and it was good-to-go. It was the least buggy of any flavor ROM I have sampled- not sure with Doc & Stefunel's ROM Kitchen brew I mashed up yesterday (I need more time with it)- It works better than the official 2.1 or "official" leak of 2.2, or any of it's derivatives, that's for sure.
I'll say this to the OP:
Coming from a pedestrian fan of tech and total phone "hacking" noob-
The warranty is really your only concern. You can totally fail at everything (outside of a hard brick) including loosing all data and get the device back to stock in an couple hours- that's if you reload your apps one-by-one.
I botched an install and I was freaked out, for about a minute. Then I did some searching here.
This http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10497672#post10497672 is why my patience has yet to run out. I'd rather wait than go through these troubles. Plus, the devs here do a good job so try one of those and be happy.
DARKYY
minlee85 said:
Thank you for your advice...I've heard about perception and cognition but I'm not familiar with Darkys...what would you say the difference??? Thanks again...
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I love Darkyy's ROM.. Cognition is captivate based... Perception is I9000 based with a captivate kernel. Darkyy's ROM is I9000 based. But you need to flash a captivate kernel and a captivate modem. There is also a ported version of Darkyy's ROM.
Original ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814091
Cappy ported: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=890429
The features are:
Based on official XXJPY
Integrated Voodoo [v69.3] Kernel (Support for i9000T)
- Integrated ClockworkMod [CWM]
- Converts all partitons toEXT4
-Startup Tweaks
- 339MB RAM
- v8.0 and up >> BLN Support
Integrated Support for a Custom Boot Animation
- Pre-installed Nexus S Boot Animation
Biggest APN file for instant internet / MMS access
4 Lockscreens to choose from [AOSP / Samsung / Puzzle / Epic]
Recovery 2e to flash unsigned update.zip's like CWM
Updated Apps [Flash Player, Maps, Gmail, YouTube]
YouTube 'GingerBread' Version
Tweaked Settings [Themed]
Tweaked 'build.prop'
- Fingerprint for Market changed to show all protected apps
2 awesome (Homescreens) Launchers
- 3D Gingerbread Launcher
- TouchWiz Froyo
Modded System Apps:
- Hacked Camera with Power-Button Mapping & Low % Shooting [by fr4gg0r]
- Modded Phone App - no more ascending ringtone
- Gallery3D // heavily modded // Stock Samsung Icon [extremly fast // using way less battery than Samsung's one]
- Added Screenfilter to go below the standard brightness [saves a lot of battery & is easy on the eyes in the night!]
Useful apps added & updated
- SuperUser
- Spare Parts
- SGS Tools
- SGS Toolbox
- SGS Info
3 Keyboards
- Samsung Stock 2.2.1 Keyboard
- Latest Swype Keyboard
- Android 2.3 Gingerbread Keyboard [working dictionary!]
Many languages supported, QWERTZ + QWERTY.
Various features
- Fixed signal bars for better reception
- Advanced Shutdown / Power Menu [Now with Reboot,Recovery & Download
Android 2.3 Gingerbread Look & Feel
High Quality Gingerbread Experience [redesigned in v7.8!] // Modified by me (thanks to jim_panse, gtg465x, scheichuwe, vukandric, dwillMuffc and more!)
- Redesigned Notification Bar
- Sleek Custom Wallpapers
- Some Apps have been themed like Gingerbread
New "Design Content" [icons & docks] on your internal SD-Card to customize your phone even further.
- Windows Phone 7 High Quality Icons
- New professional wallpaper
- Original Nexus S Ringtones
- Original Nexus S Boot Animation [completely smooth]
minlee85 said:
I heard Perception is based on I9000 not SGH-I897.. Did you have any problem like dropped calls or anything??? When you flash the rom, did you have to flash the modem and kernel separately or just flash the rom and it takes care everything???
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I didn't make any calls on Perception so I can't comment on that. With Serendipity 2.0 with JL2 modem, I'm getting dropped calls when I receive them, not making them. Have yet to find out why that's the case and I've posted in a couple places.
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I didn't make any calls on Perception so I can't comment on that. With Serendipity 2.0 with JL2 modem, I'm getting dropped calls when I receive them, not making them. Have yet to find out why that's the case and I've posted in a couple places.
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Couple of things, maybe try a different modem, make sure your apn is set up correctly
Running Doc's i9000 with jk4 modern for over 2 weeks no dropped calls at all in fact I feel call quality is better.
The captivate is a fickle beast every ones phone had a mind if their own
[URL="http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/7901789-android-weekend-special-]I9000XXJVR[/URL] is up! Looks like another iteration to follow up JVP and JVQ.
From the post:
"Its a great weekend! SamFirmware released yesterday special bada files...
And today we release some nice firmwares for the Samsung Galaxy S and Galaxy S II together with DarkyROM.
What are the new roms?
I9000XXJVR and I9100XXKG6.
Both roms running Android 2.3.4"
Running an Apex version.of it right now testing.it.out. Seems pretty stable so far. I am using.it with the i897 gingerbread bootloaders.
Sent from My 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 Captivate Test Phone depending on what Gingergurl I am testing.
As far as I know, Apex (V8.3) is still running JVQ. JVR is new as of this weekend, and I haven't seen any Captivate ROMs incorporate it yet.
Im running it right now and as far as i can tell i have no reboots and this morning i took it off the charger with 98 battery. No charge bug i dont think....at least not yet. Im using darkcore with ext4 by the way.
The csc is not jvr,(was not included in the leak) so this one is from jvq so it's kind of incomplete as a whole and is a hybrid of the 2. And deodexing breaks the browser, it doesn't show up as installed even though all the files are in place.
Don't flash ROMs not designed for your phone. That's the number one cause of bricks here on this forum. It takes special handling to go back to the way things were.
AdamOutler said:
Don't flash ROMs not designed for your phone. That's the number one cause of bricks here on this forum. It takes special handling to go back to the way things were.
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I totally understand where your coming from. But in my defense i am currently running it with the i897 ginger bootloaders and.not having.any issues so far. Plus this is my test/backup phone.
I cannot add the android 2.3 keyboard i usually use since.it not a deodexed.rom yet. I have read about the browser breaking if it is deodexed. I even ran for a bit with the tegrak overclocking app and.it seemed.to work. Again it is my test phone so i like messing around and seeing what.i can do with it. The test i got already has put out a small update to add the battery mod. Looking forwad to more.testing.
Sent from My 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 Captivate Test Phone depending on what Gingergurl I am testing.
What is the best rom for now XT720.
Stable, with few or no bugs?
miui was the most stable for me, but not as stable as stock
I use miui (the original, not final v2) It's alright but I have heard xda special or cm6 is best. I have used stock 2.1, stock 2.2. I like miui the most out of those 3 at least
Can you give me the link? It is supported by the Portuguese?
If you have other favorite rom can post.
I think the most stable rom that I had was Khals steelblue wanhu. MIUI V2 is probably the fastest that I had.
CM6 is really cool but there are def more bugs in it than other roms.
The XDA Special and Hellmongers RC1 are my favorites that I have tried so far.
I have been using RC1 for about a week straight and I do not have any complaints.
I am eagerly waiting to try RC2. Heading to get my sd card reader here in a couple hourse.
I can't complain with MIUI V2 so far, it's going pretty well, I'd say it's more stable than the stock rom I had.
Cm6 is fast and extremely stable. I haven't had to do a battery pull since I first flashed 6.1.2 until now.... I don't think there are huge bugs left already.
Sent from my MilestoneXT720 using XDA App
fernovaes said:
What is the best rom for now XT720.
Stable, with few or no bugs?
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For now my opinion is the XDA Hellmonger Special. Just as fast and smooth as CM6 if not faster plus has more features working such as FM Radio. Plus a final is coming soon. Camera might even be working better not sure, but one thing CM6 has on the Special is bluetooth voice dialing.
Oh and almost bugless, no more bootloop or freezes as long as you flash over CBW sbf
CM7 no doubt
CM7 not work on my XT720 because the baseband and Europe.
But I've used in my old one CM7 Xperia X8 and it is great.
Today, Dexter's 2.2 for me is the best rom.
Many Rom do not have the Portuguese, and I'm Brazilian, I need the Portuguese in my phone.
I used the MIUI XTfinal for a long time, nearly 2 months, and was quite happy with it. Now I am using the CM6 Version of Mioze which I find stable with the new baseband and supercharger multitasking option. Stable and smooth - just how it should be!
Edit: As I am using the LG optimus theme, there comes a Portuguese keyboard (dictionary) with it. Maybe that helps you...
MilestoneXT720 - CM 6.3.0 by MZ
Are you talking about the 3g Turbo charger?
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Oh I didn't see that thread earlier. Sorry.
Sent from my MilestoneXT720 using XDA App
Stock 2.1
Yes, I've tried many many roms before I slipped back to stock StarHubSG 2.1 rom. IMHO, stock roms has less functionality, but are the most stable and power efficient roms. for some visual effects, I replace the stock apps with the whole bunch of Go Dev teams apps. Go Launcher EX, Go Contact EX, Go SMS Pro, Go Dialer, Go Keyboard. everything Go! and too add up some more extra apps, I installed App2Card to make ext2 work. No O/C. Just 720Mhz. It's a life saver.
Now I got an Atrix but still can't get rid of this XT720. Mainly becoz of it's camera. Ya, no one (I mean no phones) can't beat that Xenon flash yet.
Try the cm6, its damn stable. Haven't got to do a battery pull since I first installed it.
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eejin2 said:
Try the cm6, its damn stable. Haven't got to do a battery pull since I first installed it.
Sent from my MilestoneXT720 using XDA App
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The Hellmonger Special is damn stable now and camera working great as well, plus just about everything working. How is the camera and video with CM6 now? I wonder if it is 5megapixel instead of 8? Since it is based from a phone that was 5megapixel? And is it HD recording? I want a ROM with a good camera since that's the biggest reason for purchasing the phone.
Since 3g and mms are fixed now with Mz's baseband updates the only downfall compared to CM6 is can't make bluetooth voice dialed calls yet.
The speed and smoothness of The hellmonger is just as good or better than CM6 as well. CM6 is good to try and get a feel for for now, but the Hellmonger Special is a keeper! Lol
***The M logo freezes are no more since I flashed over the CBW sbf. It was the Singapore SBF that was causing the issue.
Hellmonger's Final coming soon!
...CM6 is built from source for the XT720 using the XT720's libraries. It's not a binary port from A853. 8MP may or may not work, but you're speculating based on false assumptions. In 6.3, the camera and camcorder settings claim 8MP/HD works and they save files but I have not verified the output. That said, CM6 is definately a work-in-progress.
Hellmonger's XDAspecial is a great, very functional and quite optimized ROM that's nearing a final release. It's my second favorite.
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Stock 2.1
Yes, I've tried many many roms before I slipped back to stock StarHubSG 2.1 rom. IMHO, stock roms has less functionality, but are the most stable and power efficient roms. for some visual effects, I replace the stock apps with the whole bunch of Go Dev teams apps. Go Launcher EX, Go Contact EX, Go SMS Pro, Go Dialer, Go Keyboard. everything Go! and too add up some more extra apps, I installed App2Card to make ext2 work. No O/C. Just 720Mhz. It's a life saver.
Now I got an Atrix but still can't get rid of this XT720. Mainly becoz of it's camera. Ya, no one (I mean no phones) can't beat that Xenon flash yet.
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Hi spiderx_mm, possible to have that rom which you did?
for all those that said ___'s rom is the most stable. Can you give me a rough ratio as to how many battery pulls you had to do compared to how many your previous roms had?
Or is the whole delightful freezing just a plague to a select few?
Personally I don't care for style or speed, as the most entertainment I get from my xt720 would be reading ebooks. It's the random freezes and constant (somewhat embarassing in public) battery pulls that pisses me off to no end.
I'm using stock 2.1, and wondering if installing a new rom is worth the trouble, or if it even helps with the freezing
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...CM6 is built from source for the XT720 using the XT720's libraries. It's not a binary port from A853. 8MP may or may not work, but you're speculating based on false assumptions. In 6.3, the camera and camcorder settings claim 8MP/HD works and they save files but I have not verified the output. That said, CM6 is definately a work-in-progress.
Hellmonger's XDAspecial is a great, very functional and quite optimized ROM that's nearing a final release. It's my second favorite.
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So is camera and camcorder working good now in CM6.3? Can you give a brief description/comparison of CM6.3? Why you prefer it over Special? I know it's a tough comparison, or at least not much better or worse between the 2. I tried CM6 briefly but it was when it had the minor camera reboot hiccup. I had some issues but I think it may have been from flashing from XDA Special instead of clean from CBW sbf. One thing I know for sure is better is the Bluetooth works good and fully with CM6.3. That may be a deal breaker for me lol. Also I might have to try CM6 for a while just to narrow down my mms issues. Either way I love both ROM's and don't have a real ***** about anything just minor grumps lol.
***Also I don't think Supercharger worked well with CM6 but can't be sure til I try again. It works beautifully with Special.
No, camera and camcorder still currently suck on CM6--but not because it comes from A853--they suck because I don't understand how to configure the build properly yet.
I was just correcting your assertion that the problem was that CM6 relies on binaries from different hardware. There are very, very few non-XT720-derived files in CM6--see https://github.com/Mioze7Ae/android_vendor_motorola_sholest/blob/froyo/inventory.txt . WanHu, XDAspecial and CM6 are all substantially based on native XT720 ROMs.
I don't really care about which ROM is better than which, but I'll give you my perspective as someone that's worked closely with a few of them:
Unfortunately, Motorola baked a bunch of Koreanisms deep into the XT720 froyo framework. These are very time-consuming to identify and fix because you have to work at the low-level of decompiled dalvik bytecode (smali--essentially assembly language). And just forget about modifying the native parts built from C/C++.
The attraction of the CM6 ROM for me is it comes directly from the same high level languages (C/C++/Java) that is used to develop Android. Source-based ROMs are the easiest to modify. For example, milaq's CM6.3 is CM6final+backported features from CM7.
Dexter's 1.3, CBW froyo, CM7, Ice&Fire, FroyoMod, MIUI are all binary ports of A853 ROMs. I don't get too excited about these ROMs because even if you get the sensors working, they will be just as difficult to modify as Dexter's was. That is, low-level smali edits but additionally starting from the handicap of missing XT720 functionality.
CM7 could be compiled from source using the work that's already been done in CM6.3, but nobody's done that. I'm going to get CM6 into a more finalized state before I do that myself. As far as I can tell the major advances in gingerbread are some new animations and API support for in-app billing.
But anyway, you can imagine my preferences are driven by what I perceive will be easiest to fix in the long term, rather than which has the current best state. I don't think any of the ROMs are flawless, but I know I will get significantly more fixed per unit effort on a source-based ROM. Basically, CM6 is the most tinkerer friendly of our ROMs--download the source and build it yourself--but XDAspecial has the most features and best functionality. I expect CM6 to achieve parity by the end of the year, but it's not there yet.
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What goes into a fully functional ROM for an android phone like our beloved TB's? ICS for us has been an evolution of sorts. From what I understand, first we had woefully buggy ICS because we were missing something that only the manufacturer can provide (the RIL, whatever that is?). Sounded to me like the OS would work, more or less, but it was the calling and data that was missing.
Then we got our leak. The leak provided some critical component, but we still have imperfect ROMs. What did we get, and what do we still need?
I know our devs are leaner and meaner coders than the guys at HTC, and that there have been ROMs which are much improved over the initial BAMF one. But, have we gotten ICS to a sweet spot that can't be improved by an official HTC update? Or can we still benefit from it whenever the hell it comes out?
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If I have to guess, you're seeing them hang back until something a little more refined than that leak comes out. The kernel source will be very helpful in getting some kinks ironed out related to the battery life problem of the leak. Also, I believe there are camera and camcorder issues that are kernel related. Kernel source never gets released until after the official update goes public.
Some of the devs may also be preparing Jelly Bean ROMs and not even paying attention to ICS anymore. I'm hoping for this, as we're still going to be one revision behind when HTC releases Ice Cream Sandwich for Thunderbolt. I've seen at least one dev state that ICS to JB is a snap, relatively speaking, so we should get some sweet 4.1 action fairly quickly one the OTA drops.
The ril was one component we were lacking but jester stumbled across something in his build that gave us 1x data and liquid figured out some of the rest. The main thing we are missing now is official ics kernel. The leak we got was a crappy test build and I think that was among their first test builds but that is just my opinion. Once we get kernel source for ics things will be much better. We also need a kernel dev too because imoseyon has moved on to other devices and won't have time for the thunderbolt.
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Yes, I am currently being a coward. Normally I could live without a camera and camcorder, but I just had a kid. Don't want to miss those moments because daddy hacks his phone.
So we got the RIL and need the kernel. After the real release comes out (probably by the time yet another version of Android will be out), we wait a few months, and bam we have the new htc stock ICS kernel. Is the only way to get it is from them intentionally releasing it? There's no way to reverse engineer it eh?
Guess we wont see another "lean kernel" then if Imo's out of the equation. Hopefully he's not the only show in town.
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Kernels can be hacked and changed to your liking but I think you can get into trouble if you publish it.
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Liquid's current ICS ROM is pretty damn good, if only with a few hiccups that can be fixed without the new kernel. I can't even imagine how good it could be with a new official ICS kernel.
Kernels can be hacked and changed to your liking but I think you can get into trouble if you publish it.
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Wouldn't imoseyon have gotten in trouble for all the great kernels he's released if that were true?
The Linux kernel is free for anyone to modify. If you improve it, you're expected to share your work. That's the beauty of open-source software.
If HTC doesn't release their source for the kernel but you hack it is what I mean.
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If HTC doesn't release kernel source, they will be in violation of the GPL. The only source they can legally withhold is their own software, like Sense, or proprietary driver files. They don't own the kernel, so they must release the source after they release an official ICS build, and they can't go after anyone for hacking it and publishing the source. Of course, if they never release ICS, the wouldn't have to release the kernel source, and some brave dev would have to figure it out. I hope that doesn't happen.
I suspect we're splitting hairs on this one.
Technically, HTC isnt allowed to withhold the kernel source at all. But they do. So reverse engineering / decompiling the kernel is completely legal.
I'm super excited for ICS/JB/BBQ/whatever. I'm running liquid's rom on my bolt right now. It isn't perfect, but I love the overall user experience. It's a shame these things take so long to move through the pipe, but I'm very appreciative of the efforts folks are putting in to make this happen. :good: