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I started discouraging its use on TNT Lite after the TNT Lite 5 fiasco, but I didn't realize that my opinions carried so much weight. So I want to set the record clear for everyone.
First off, if the developer / modder requires clockworkmod for their ROM, then that's the tool you need to use. I've had more than a few PM's on this question, but the answer is simple. Use what the developer asks you to use -- but also understand the risks. I would guess that most of the devs here mod with clockworkmod in mind.
For my own two active mods (TNT Lite 4 and gADAM) -- for the gADAM, it requires clockworkmod to install, right now. The reason why is because you HAVE to do a data wipe post-install, which standard recovery does not have. I have this written clearly in the instructions. As for TNT Lite, I discourage it for flashing, but I have instructions for clockworkmod users regardless. gADAM 1.3.0+ and TNT Lite 4.3.0+ have something called "Recovery Pack" built into them. This allows the user to toggle between clockworkmod and standard recovery.
Flashing is my concern, btw. For nandroid backups, data wipes and SD repartitions, the cwm tool is an absolute must. And if you are flashing between 1.1-based mods, clockworkmod should still be a low risk. HOWEVER, if Viewsonic releases a 1.2-based mod with a new bootloader, then cwm becomes a much higher risk. My point with discouraging clockworkmod for flashing on TNT Lite is just to get people used to the idea that cwm has caveats that might become a problem, later on.
When that new firmware is released, we will pick it apart and tell everyone the results of what we find. Hopefully my concerns are for nothing and the new firmware will be safe for clockworkmod users.
Also, for reference: I've been throwing around the term "1.1-based ROM" for about 2 weeks, now. Viewsonic's stock firmware has come in three flavors, so far: 1.0.1 and 1.1, which seem to be on the same dev branch and compatible (from a clockworkmod standpoint). Most, if not all, of the mods here are 1.1-based. 1.2 is a new dev branch that was introduced with build 3991, which was never officially released. This build has a bootloader that, if not flashed with standard recovery, will soft-brick your device. This is the dev branch that concerns me and that we should be watching out for, when that new firmware is released. As I mentioned, we will test it when the time comes.
when the time comes...
Somewhat quicker.
Thanks for detailed explanations!
absorbers said:
when the time comes...
Somewhat quicker.
Thanks for detailed explanations!
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Quicker is not always better, imo. If users here use cwm, they should understand the risks. I would argue that anyone using a mod here should also understand how to install and use nvflash - devices like the Advent VEGA, Notion Ink Adam and even Viewsonic's own Viewpad10s have nvflash-only firmware updates. I personally find it to be a critical tool for anyone modding their device.
Thanks for the explanation. As a n00b (Wooter) to all of this, I have to say that I have used the built in bootloader to flash both Vegan 5.1.1 and TNT Lite 4.4 without any issues. I did not install CWM based on your previous warnings about it and so far I haven't had any issues. I needed to do a factory data reset after changing ROMs to fix some FC issues, but so far I haven't seen a need to repartition the SD card or any other features that CWM has.
severusx said:
Thanks for the explanation. As a n00b (Wooter) to all of this, I have to say that I have used the built in bootloader to flash both Vegan 5.1.1 and TNT Lite 4.4 without any issues. I did not install CWM based on your previous warnings about it and so far I haven't had any issues. I needed to do a factory data reset after changing ROMs to fix some FC issues, but so far I haven't seen a need to repartition the SD card or any other features that CWM has.
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And you have cwm ready for use, with TNT Lite 4.4.0 - it's in the Recovery Pack. So, if you find the need to do an SD repartition later, it's there for you to use. I find it to be a good balance and I toggle back and forth a lot. Actually, for day-to-day I leave it on clockworkmod and then flip it to standard if I plan to flash.
There have been some discussions in the partition thread regarding the 'fix permissions' portion of CWM making the repartition suggestion obsolete. I don't have access to standard recovery to check if that option is in there too but the permissions thing may also be a feature of CWM that will be difficult to let go.
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And you have cwm ready for use, with TNT Lite 4.4.0 - it's in the Recovery Pack. So, if you find the need to do an SD repartition later, it's there for you to use. I find it to be a good balance and I toggle back and forth a lot. Actually, for day-to-day I leave it on clockworkmod and then flip it to standard if I plan to flash.
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First, thanks for your work here. You guys rock! I am using TnT Lite 4.4, where do I locate the recovery toggle? Is it an app?
I wanna say Thanks for the 'Recovery Pack', I actually didn't find it until after I had
gone over the scripts in TnT Lite 4.4 and copied all the files to SDCard.
I then flashed back to Stock 3855 and gave Terminal Emulator SU, mounted system rw and copied them back in.
I ran the 'cwmrecovery.sh' and booted into ClockWorkMod and successfully did a backup (and later a restore).
I ran the 'fixrecovery.sh' and booted into Standard recovery and got the downloading animation and it proceeded to a normal startup (no exclamation!).
Is this normal?
I think there was an update.zip @ root but no command file.
Thanks again for all your work, looking forward to more modding.
Peace!
brown14you said:
First, thanks for your work here. You guys rock! I am using TnT Lite 4.4, where do I locate the recovery toggle? Is it an app?
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It's a set of scripts - just read my first post, and the Recovery Pack reference link, at the bottom.
jazzruby said:
I wanna say Thanks for the 'Recovery Pack', I actually didn't find it until after I had
gone over the scripts in TnT Lite 4.4 and copied all the files to SDCard.
I then flashed back to Stock 3855 and gave Terminal Emulator SU, mounted system rw and copied them back in.
I ran the 'cwmrecovery.sh' and booted into ClockWorkMod and successfully did a backup (and later a restore).
I ran the 'fixrecovery.sh' and booted into Standard recovery and got the downloading animation and it proceeded to a normal startup (no exclamation!).
Is this normal?
I think there was an update.zip @ root but no command file.
Thanks again for all your work, looking forward to more modding.
Peace!
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If memory serves, you should get the "!" and then a reboot. But it might not do anything if there's no command file (just hang there for a moment, and then reboot).
Thanks. Got it!
Thanks, I just booted again to recovery, no command or update.zip and same thing.
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Thanks, I just booted again to recovery, no command or update.zip and same thing.
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To verify 100% that it's working, you might want to run an update.zip. ie. use the Recovery Pack standalone, it will just overwrite what's already there. Always good to know before you actually need it.
I'm not so sure I'd feel 100% just flashing the 'Recovery Pack'.
I was getting ready to flash Pershoot's Kernel so I think first I'll flash 3588 with stock recovery and be sure all's good.
Then I'll flash the RP and boot into ClockWorkMod and Restore 4.4 from backup.
Thanks for the Heads Up!
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I'm not so sure I'd feel 100% just flashing the 'Recovery Pack'.
I was getting ready to flash Pershoot's Kernel so I think first I'll flash 3588 with stock recovery and be sure all's good.
Then I'll flash the RP and boot into ClockWorkMod and Restore 4.4 from backup.
Thanks for the Heads Up!
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Pershoot's kernel may not work with standard recovery, just a heads up. But you can certainly give it a go.....
Pershoot's kernel is nested in a subfolder and I need/want to wipe first.
I just flashed 3588 with Stock recovery and all's good.
I got root and flashed 'RP' and CWM restored my backup.
I ran TE 'fixrecovery.sh', rebooted into Stock recovery and I don't see the (!).
Aside from the downloading animation it seems like a normal boot.
This was with no update.zip @ root or command file in recovery subfolder.
So I guess it's safe to say that no (!) is nothing to worry about.
Just to be sure I dropped an update.zip @ root and same results.
ok i am going insane right now cuz i have no idea if my phone is completly done for so im asking for your help.... first i had dl ROM manger and had reboot into recovery, then in recovery i backup my phone, then after all that i flash a zip file and reboot system.....when it turn back on it just went to the mytouch 4g startup and then turn off and back on, over and over... so i try to recover, factory rest, and all that stuff and nothing work all it did was stay stuck on that screen.....so can anyone please help me out..i really appreciate it and please help me!!!!
-thanks
Ok, not a big deal, you are probably just using the wrong recovery for the ROM you flashed. I'm assuming you flashed recovery version 3.0.0.5 in clockworkmod because that is the latest one. When using this recovery you have to flash a 2.3.3 (gingerbread ROM) such as CM7. If you were trying to flash a 2.2 (Froyo ROM) such as Iced Glacier, or the stock ROM, you will get the boot loops. What you can do is flash CM7, which is a great ROM by the way. This will at least let you use your phone. Then you can go to the HTC Glacier forum on XDA, go into the android development section, and flash recovery version 3.0.0.6 which will allow you to flash back and forth between gingerbread and froyo. It is not available through ROM manager since we have one of the very few phones that need different recovery versions to flash back and forth.
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Ok, not a big deal, you are probably just using the wrong recovery for the ROM you flashed. I'm assuming you flashed recovery version 3.0.0.5 in clockworkmod because that is the latest one. When using this recovery you have to flash a 2.3.3 (gingerbread ROM) such as CM7. If you were trying to flash a 2.2 (Froyo ROM) such as Iced Glacier, or the stock ROM, you will get the boot loops. What you can do is flash CM7, which is a great ROM by the way. This will at least let you use your phone. Then you can go to the HTC Glacier forum on XDA, go into the android development section, and flash recovery version 3.0.0.6 which will allow you to flash back and forth between gingerbread and froyo. It is not available through ROM manager since we have one of the very few phones that need different recovery versions to flash back and forth.
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ok thank you but how do i dl the froyo rom cuz i cant seem to dl the link, sorry for the noob question im just new to this phone
Ok, like I said, the first step is to get the 3.0.0.6 recovery which is the only way you will be able to download a froyo based ROM. If you want to go back to stock, you should unroot, because stock and root do not get along well on the MT4G. As far as a froyo based ROM, you can flash Iced Glacier or Royal Glacier which are stock based just faster and without all of the T-Mobile bloat apps. But if you are not familiar with ADB and Fastboot, you will need to flash a gingerbread ROM first. You should really be reading in the MT4G/HTC Glacier section of XDA, you will find answers to all of your questions. And like I said, don't panic, your phone is fine, and it is an easy fix.
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Ok, like I said, the first step is to get the 3.0.0.6 recovery which is the only way you will be able to download a froyo based ROM. If you want to go back to stock, you should unroot, because stock and root do not get along well on the MT4G. As far as a froyo based ROM, you can flash Iced Glacier or Royal Glacier which are stock based just faster and without all of the T-Mobile bloat apps. But if you are not familiar with ADB and Fastboot, you will need to flash a gingerbread ROM first. You should really be reading in the MT4G/HTC Glacier section of XDA, you will find answers to all of your questions. And like I said, don't panic, your phone is fine, and it is an easy fix.
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sorry very new to this but thanks alot, i highly appreciate the help..but i have one more question if i format my sd card will it effect my custom rom and everything, like if i happen to start it back up
Im just receive the G-tab from amazon today. Im browsing all rom thread and decide to go with Vegan 5.1.1, what should I do now? Mine is 4349, Correct me if im do the wrong step:
1- Install clockworkmod
2- Downgrade to 3588
3- Partitioning to 2G/256 ?????
4- Flash Vegan 5.1.1
5- Fix Flash 10.2
6- Fix Market
7- Enjoy
Do I miss something? Thank you.
Anyone can help me confirm the step, my G-baby is waiting ....
hieummx said:
Im just receive the G-tab from amazon today. Im browsing all rom thread and decide to go with Vegan 5.1.1, what should I do now? Mine is 4349, Correct me if im do the wrong step:
1- Install clockworkmod
2- Downgrade to 3588
3- Partitioning to 2G/256 ?????
4- Flash Vegan 5.1.1
5- Fix Flash 10.2
6- Fix Market
7- Enjoy
Do I miss something? Thank you.
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1) download CW 08 version. If it was me i would get setup for a nvflash and expect to do it. I had version 3588 and still have to nvflash it. I installed cwmod, did a partition of 2048/0 (which wiped everything off the tablet, completely blank - which is why i believe i had to nvflash) After you nvflash you should be back to a stock rom, Will have to re-transfer your rom over (and any kernel you want) to your device. then you can enter your CW again and flash your rom/kernel. Then your market fix, and flash.
I just did mine last weekend (at like 3 am) it wasnt that difficult, but my suggestion would be read the instructions up and down. I flashed Gingerbread edition and have been happy with it, havent had any video issues but haven't played that much video.
Step by step instructions :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
NVflash instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861950
If the tablet has 4349 on it DO NOT install the normal ClockworkMod found all over these forums. It will NOT work.
Do the downgrade or nvflash back to factory stock first.
Hello,
I am very confused as to whether or not it is possible to go from my rooted US Xoom Wifi only running rooted stock 3.1 directly to the Manta Ray rom, or do I go to stock rooted 3.2 first? Whatever the case, could someone link me to the correct procedure? I cannot find something that matches my exact setup, and the Rom's thread is unclear whether I have to update first. Yes, I know, this is probably a noob question, but I am pretty new to rooting in general.
Does anyone how to do this?
merauder75 said:
Hello,
I am very confused as to whether or not it is possible to go from my rooted US Xoom Wifi only running rooted stock 3.1 directly to the Manta Ray rom, or do I go to stock rooted 3.2 first? Whatever the case, could someone link me to the correct procedure? I cannot find something that matches my exact setup, and the Rom's thread is unclear whether I have to update first. Yes, I know, this is probably a noob question, but I am pretty new to rooting in general.
Does anyone how to do this?
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Since you're rooted your bootloader is already unlocked
Just flash CWM 3.2.0.0 RC4
Wipe from CWM
Load Tiamat.
It should be that easy.
Ok, so the manta ray package is the whole system image for 3.2? Will it work essentially like an update?
EDIT: Also, just for clarification, I use wipe data/factory reset, and then put the rom on a microSD, then flashing it by doing what, exactly?
merauder75 said:
Ok, so the manta ray package is the whole system image for 3.2? Will it work essentially like an update?
EDIT: Also, just for clarification, I use wipe data/factory reset, and then put the rom on a microSD, then flashing it by doing what, exactly?
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If you're downloading the Team Tiamat Mantay Ray 2.0.1 ROM - Yes, it includes everything.
You will boot into CWM recovery 3.2.0.0 RC4, do you have that installed? If not, please flash it first.
Then you flash the rom from CWM itself, after booting into CWM. Have the rom zip package on the flash card.
If you need more explicit instructions, they can be pieced together from the CWM thread and the Tiamat rom thread
Alright, got CWM 3.2.0.0 RC4 installed, now, for the part that scares me..Im gonna flash the Tiamat img now.
merauder75 said:
Alright, got CWM 3.2.0.0 RC4 installed, now, for the part that scares me..Im gonna flash the Tiamat img now.
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dont be scared
wipe first (from recovery menu option)
then load the rom .img
join #xoom on irc.freenode.net if you need help
So i recently took my phone to the stock cell south update (bc of small bugs) via Odin and of course lost my CWM Red Recovery 3.x. It's been awhile since i flashed a new recovery and was wondering what the best way i should go about doing it now? I don't see everyone telling me to flash the "red" recovery like last time. Can anyone post me a link to get started in the right direction? Like the newest and best recovery for me to use? Thanks in advance!
jgabb said:
So i recently took my phone to the stock cell south update (bc of small bugs) via Odin and of course lost my CWM Red Recovery 3.x. It's been awhile since i flashed a new recovery and was wondering what the best way i should go about doing it now? I don't see everyone telling me to flash the "red" recovery like last time. Can anyone post me a link to get started in the right direction? Like the newest and best recovery for me to use? Thanks in advance!
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Depends on what you are going to do rom wise. If you are going to go MTD and do a GB rom then go ahead and ODIN CWM4 http://goo.gl/7DmxF. If you plan on sticking with 2.2 TW based rom I had no issues what so ever with any of these CWM3 recoveries from heinz 57 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R7V0INE0. I used ODIN 1.3 to push these onto the phone with repartition unchecked.