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I started this thread with hopes of learning and educating the talented Rom cookers and bakers XDA has to offer. There are alot of varying points of view, both in completely different camps as to which UI has more to offer/ meets a user's needs or desires. Vanilla, custom, Sense. I am trying to figure out WHAT users want in there roms.
For example:
I keep using Sense based Roms because I love the camera & enjoy the fact that it employs face detection. I also enjoy the fact that the SMS application automatically applies my picture from Facebook or twitter as my avatar when sending messages, to me that makes it feel cleaner.
I dislike the fact that sense keeps a rolling list of my most recent applications above the notifications bar, I also dislike how taxing on the system sense is.
Alas, this thread isn't only about what I like and I want... its about what we all would like to see.
P.S.
If we have a team of skinners/themers and bakers out there willing to undertake an on-demand ROM like this... 1. We would forever love you 2. If you haven't done so already, I will set up a PayPal account for donations in your honor because I'll love you like that.
Personally I like HTC Sense but there's something about AOSP that I can't help but have a huge attraction to so I'd have to go with that. I agree though about the status bar showing your recent apps and I did notice that Sense slows down my phone more and kinda kills battery
What does AOSP have to offer? AOSP vs Sense.
I'm familiar with a lot of terms, but what is "vanilla" ?
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Enraged21 said:
What does AOSP have to offer? AOSP vs Sense.
I'm familiar with a lot of terms, but what is "vanilla" ?
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From what I have gleaned, it's basically the most simple/basic/no frills form of the ROM. Then, the bakers out all nice goodies and stuff in it to make it what it is.
Demented71 said:
From what I have gleaned, it's basically the most simple/basic/no frills form of the ROM. Then, the bakers out all nice goodies and stuff in it to make it what it is.
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AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project and is like you said, stock android. It's what android is meant to look like but then companies add HTC Sense and Motorola Blur and other frames over it. If you check out the Ginger beast rom for the Inspire, which is what I run, then you'll see what it looks like and such
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AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project and is like you said, stock android. It's what android is meant to look like but then companies add HTC Sense and Motorola Blur and other frames over it. If you check out the Ginger beast rom for the Inspire, which is what I run, then you'll see what it looks like and such
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So is Gingerbeast a very trim version of an AOSP ROM? I played with MIUI a bit, but then went to CoreDroid and am pretty much loving it. Though I do have that itch to flash again...lol
Sense roms are made from what either HTC leaks us or stock firmwares modified or whatever that particular dev wants to do to that build(theme, deodex, zipalign, add whatever tweaks). You can remove some sense apks, but sense framework is still there and there is still some hints of it throughout that just can't really be removed.
Unmodified aosp roms are pretty much what you would see on a nexus s. Absolutley no bloat, no sense at all, fast and nothing to hog resources. But aosp wasn't specifically built for this phone and its a lot harder to get everything working right (thank the cm team for not only getting everything working, but it works insanely well).
Gingerbeast uses some cm core parts, but removes some cm specific stuff, adds in aosp parts from both source trees and is then compiled. Same for the kernel- cm aosp kernel, with some extra speed/efficiency tweaks)
Some sense roms are almost 300mb, gingerbeast is around 85 I believe.
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Sense roms are made from what either HTC leaks us or stock firmwares modified or whatever that particular dev wants to do to that build(theme, deodex, zipalign, add whatever tweaks). You can remove some sense apks, but sense framework is still there and there is still some hints of it throughout that just can't really be removed.
Unmodified aosp roms are pretty much what you would see on a nexus s. Absolutley no bloat, no sense at all, fast and nothing to hog resources. But aosp wasn't specifically built for this phone and its a lot harder to get everything working right (thank the cm team for not only getting everything working, but it works insanely well).
Gingerbeast uses some cm core parts, but removes some cm specific stuff, adds in aosp parts from both source trees and is then compiled. Same for the kernel- cm aosp kernel, with some extra speed/efficiency tweaks)
Some sense roms are almost 300mb, gingerbeast is around 85 I believe.
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So what you are saying is, without htc sense frame work we can't have things like the sense camera and weather app with your kernel and an adamholden rom?
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I want what Android Revolution has to offer, sense with a no sense script. Best of both worlds, no sense but still have a good camera and all the htc apps, but no sense! Makes sense!
I have to say that I think I prefer some of the things in sense. I've been from leedroid to miui to gingerbeast. Miui. Was slow and taxing, while very pretty... not what I want... I prefer a phone that can fly through pages as fast as I can navigate them.
Gingerbeast is very, very quick which is awesome, but like said before the HTC camera and SMS, as well as clock Widgets and ringtones, are better with sense.
I think ill try out android revolution next
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It would be cool of someone made a kernel with calibrated color, I think the captivate had some roms with that. I've noticed the black levels on the inspire seem more dark grey then true black. Wishful thinking maybe?
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I love sense, It's better than the others (touchwiz etc)
I use GingerBeast, which I like because it is small and light and fast. I do miss the sense camera, though the miui camera is decent enough for my purposes.
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I don't mind sense at all. I'm Still running stock but I'm thinking hard about flashing RCMix kingdom Rom cause I want to check out sense 3.0
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I use GingerBeast, which I like because it is small and light and fast. I do miss the sense camera, though the miui camera is decent enough for my purposes.
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Seems like the sense camera is one of the things people without sense miss the most
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I currently own a HTC Desire S running stock rom. S-off using alpharev x beta and rooted using gingerbreak 1.2
Is there any way to get the sense 3.0 lockscreen on my phone. Including all the features or at least most of it. Was thinking that the only way might be to flash a rom onto my phone.
Dude, there's a thread for this not far below this one!
Pardon me being picky, saw that one but was looking for something more similar to the htc sensation one with the icons as well as the ring.
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Pardon me being picky, saw that one but was looking for something more similar to the htc sensation one with the icons as well as the ring.
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Fair play, then yeah, a ROM will be needed.
I use the virtious unity rom and it has most of the sense 3.0 present including the ring lockscreen complete with options to display photos,weather or clock etc.Also ring lockscreen present n the saga rom i used 5.1 i think and present in sergio 76 coredroid rom.I also think maryland cookie released the lockscreen seperately but Im not sure if it was for 2.1 or 3.0 roms.
I find the sense 2.1 + 3 ROMs a little laggy at the mo. I guess some more optimization will come with later releases.
Honestly, I can't wait for ice cream. If this phone doesn't get it, ill sell it. I want my UI hardware accelerated. It's all Android needs to make it really nice.
try AGILE LOCK,i have it on my desire s,on my desire,on my daughters hd2(pyramid rom)...............nearest you'll get to the sensation lock WITHOUT THE NEED OF A NEW ROM. all the rooting and flashing i've done over 3 years,my desire s is the ONLY PHONE that im keeping the origional stock rom lol,would be nice to have the pyramid rom though lol,would be tempted then lol
hope this helps
People are always posting up new threads asking for advice on this ROM vs. that ROM. Well, I haven't tried them all, but I've tried quite a few of the more popular ones recently. I'm not going to pick these ROMS apart. If you want more info about what I liked or didn't like about a particular ROM I've tried, go ahead and ask.
I got my Sensation back in January. I used the stock Gingerbread for a couple of months. Then got frustrated when the T-Mobile ICS update got delayed and have been on a flashing frenzy ever since.
I've been trying a lot of ROMs lately. I started with ARHD, then went to Elegancia, then Hypernonsense, then back to Elegancia, then Sense 4 Elegancia, then back to 3.6, then Virtuous Inquisition, then Opensensation (CM9), and back to Elegancia again. I've also tried Sebastion, faux, and bricked kernels - I prefer bricked best.
I honestly don't a see a performance difference between Sense, stripped Sense, or AOSP ROMs. I have System Tuner Pro and always monitor memory usage. I thought that the stripped and AOSP ROMs would have gobs of free memory available, but they just don't. They're no better or worse. I also was compelled to try those ROMs to improve battery life. Again, the experience didn't match the hype.
It all comes down to personal preference. Each ROM has its own glitches. But from my experience, full Sense 3.6 ROMs are the most functional and most stable. I loved the Sense 4.0 ROM I tried, except that Sense crashed on me like 3 times a day having to pull the battery each time. For me, nothing beats the Sense widgets. I live in the email and calendar widgets for work and the music widget in the car. No other widgets come close.
I think I'm gonna quit screwing around with it for a while. I am very happy with the Elegancia Sense 3.6 ROM / Bricked kernal combo. It's pretty much already modded/themed the I way I would do it. I can just flash it and go. I will try the Sense 4.0 version again when it's more mature. I loved it, I just can't have my phone crashing on me constantly.
I still want to try MIUI and will probably try CM9 again when it's official. I really like some of the home screen setups people have been able to pull off with their AOSP ROMs. But I think the widgets will always pull me back to a full Sense ROM. The only widgets that can compete, you have to pay for - and they're still not as good. Also, the AOSP camera blows compared to the Sense camera. In the end, it's all about what's functional for you.
In conclusion, try a few, try a bunch... don't get lost in the hunt for better battery life and more performance, because - 1) those 2 things don't go together... & 2) those 2 things are largely the same across all ROMS whether you're full Sense, stripped-Sense, or AOSP. Just find what you like and enjoy!
SO wutZ da best roms to use?
Just joking, but it's too bad some people are serious.
Its all about your liking that's it otherwise there is not a rom whit better battery life than any others
-Nuff Said.
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Great post, couldn't agree more.
Love Sense 4.0 but it just isn't mature enough
reficuliu said:
Great post, couldn't agree more.
Love Sense 4.0 but it just isn't mature enough
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I've been using Ordroid (Sense4) for a week or so now and I've found it quiet stable to be honest. I haven't experienced any crashes.
The batterylife was in 5.0.X about 17 hours (2 hours of screen turned on).
V6.0.0; I can't say if there are anything wrong just yet since its been out for about 2 days only and I've used it for 1 day. but the first batterycycle was about 21 hours with 2h 5m screen turned on. Only thing I could complain about with Ordroid is the partially working BT, I can't say anything about the Wifi-tethering issue because I am not using it.
Hmm, well I guess that was that.
The partially working Bluetooth issue is across all Sense 4 ROMs. It has to do with the fact that Sense 4 was ported from another device with different BT hardware - so the Sense drivers aren't fully compatible.
With the release of T-Mobile's official RUU, it may be time try Sense 4 again and see if some of the previous issues I experienced are fixed now. But BT will probably always only be partially working due to the driver issue.
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The partially working Bluetooth issue is across all Sense 4 ROMs. It has to do with the fact that Sense 4 was ported from another device with different BT hardware - so the Sense drivers aren't fully compatible.
With the release of T-Mobile's official RUU, it may be time try Sense 4 again and see if some of the previous issues I experienced are fixed now. But BT will probably always only be partially working due to the driver issue.
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Ah okey I didn't know that, thanks for sharing
I like my sence less rom. Its just personal preference! That's what makes it fun! Options! Gotta love options!
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I'd love to know whether any of these custom ICS ROMs is better than the stock ICS ROM. I get that they are all (Sense or no Sense) pretty much the same when it comes to performance and battery, but how do they compare to the stock one? Will I get any benefits from switching from the stock ICS to one of these?
Thanks!
great post!
I use elegancia ics 4.3 sence 4.0 is good so far it has a few glitches like if you try to take a picture while recording a video, the camera crashes or if you press the camera button to take several pictures at once it crashes! But other than that is good!
P.D. that Rom is updated like every other day but I still don't know how to update it
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teomor said:
I'd love to know whether any of these custom ICS ROMs is better than the stock ICS ROM. I get that they are all (Sense or no Sense) pretty much the same when it comes to performance and battery, but how do they compare to the stock one? Will I get any benefits from switching from the stock ICS to one of these?
Thanks!
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Well I've always found that the custom roms out-compete the stock ones repeatedly. You get a much better battery life, minimal bloatware and more power. Use android revolution hd 6+ and you'll see the differences
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Yes I agree! I have much better battery life and over all better experience!
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I tried Elegancia Sense 4 again last night. I thought it was time to give it another go since there have a few builds released since the last time. Unfortunately, nothing has changed. Whatever issues I'm having are buried deeper than what gets changed from build to build.
My phone has crashed on my twice in the last 5 hours. It's unfortunate. I really like Sense 4 - I think it's cleaner & smoother than 3.6. The camera is better and faster than 3.6. But if your phone crashes on you while changing menus or doesn't wake up and you have to pull the battery all the time, then it's useless.
Does anyone else have these issues with Sense 4? Maybe another Sense 4 ROM is better? I have not yet tried another Sense 4 ROM because it seems they all use the same base. Maybe I should try another and see if it works better...
The new InsertCoin ROM Sense 4.0 is out now, looks very stable, only FM Radio not working. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1546731
I just flashed OrDroid Sense 4. I'll give that one a shot. It has a different base - the new leaked Ville RUU instead of the One S. The Ville and Sensation share the same processor, so maybe that will do the trick.
EDIT: That one's no good for me either. It has its own set of glitches I'm not willing to live with.
Now trying Steve's new TMOUS Elegancia with Bricked kernel.
Any tradeoffs for non Sense ROMs? I know the camera app is better on HTC's but other than that? Is there a Torch app similar to the stock one? Etc..
...and back on Elegancia 3.7.6. lol
I am running the updated TMOUS firmware now, tho. along with the other radio fix for TMOUS users. This might be the best combo I've run yet. But I'm still anxious for a fully functional Sense 4 ROM.
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Any tradeoffs for non Sense ROMs? I know the camera app is better on HTC's but other than that? Is there a Torch app similar to the stock one? Etc..
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There is another Torch app that is pretty much the same. The ROMs I've tried all have it included if they don't have the HTC app.
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P.D. that Rom is updated like every other day but I still don't know how to update it
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Just flash the new one on top. No super wipe required all your data and apps are safe
teomor said:
I'd love to know whether any of these custom ICS ROMs is better than the stock ICS ROM. I get that they are all (Sense or no Sense) pretty much the same when it comes to performance and battery, but how do they compare to the stock one? Will I get any benefits from switching from the stock ICS to one of these?
Thanks!
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For me, I love the overclocking of custom roms/kernels. Stock Sensation is 1.2ghz. My custom rom Sensation is 1.7ghz. Man is it speedy. I took the time to read countless posts and spent a ton of time learning how to mod my Sensation. No way am I going back to stock carrier rom.
Hey guys,
I have tried several custom ROM's in the last 2 weeks since getting my HTC One X and one of them, I think Xi40 126 had a feature that let you wake the screen using the volume buttons. This I found to be a lot more functional and easier than using the power button on the top of the phone.
I'm currently running on CleanROM 4.5 RC1. I switched from Xi40 because of battery issues I was having and CleanROM seems to be running and working better. Is there any way to get this feature now? I searched for this MOD but couldn't find it.
Thanks!
It's a feature that was part of the cordroid tweeks that xsmagical had ported to his Rom he and Scott are both working together to get them ported to the new base so in time you should have that feature again. I have never found an app that does it as a stand alone.
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The only app I've seen that replicates that mod is 'No-Lock' on the market, but it just bypasses the lockscreen, doesn't really wake the phone with volume. But, like the post above, we'll see the mod soon enough
Hi guys,
I am curious to know if the kernel used in Sense ROMs (stock, ElementalX, BeastMode) be made to work in the CM/AOKP roms?
Here's my problem - I personally like the look and feel of CM. However, one big problem is the fact that there is a lot of lost functionality in these roms as compared to sense roms.
Now, I dont mean things like transparent status bars, etc - but core features like HDMI out, headset buttons, usb tethering, battery life, etc.
The focus of the developers is also around cool new features and not around fixing hardware issues. For example someone posted yesterday that wired headset buttons have been broken all the wsy from kernel 3.0 to 3.4.
Im wondering if one can leverage the fully working Sense kernels to run CM.
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Hi guys,
I am curious to know if the kernel used in Sense ROMs (stock, ElementalX, BeastMode) be made to work in the CM/AOKP roms?
Here's my problem - I personally like the look and feel of CM. However, one big problem is the fact that there is a lot of lost functionality in these roms as compared to sense roms.
Now, I dont mean things like transparent status bars, etc - but core features like HDMI out, headset buttons, usb tethering, battery life, etc.
The focus of the developers is also around cool new features and not around fixing hardware issues. For example someone posted yesterday that wired headset buttons have been broken all the wsy from kernel 3.0 to 3.4.
Im wondering if one can leverage the fully working Sense kernels to run CM.
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Sense kernels cannot run be used to run cm10 or later based roms. IF you like the look and feel of stock android but still want all the working features why don't you download one of the sense roms and desense it? I know viperxl offers desense option in the aroma installer.
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Sense kernels cannot run be used to run cm10 or later based roms. IF you like the look and feel of stock android but still want all the working features why don't you download one of the sense roms and desense it? I know viperxl offers desense option in the aroma installer.
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Yes - I thought about it, but I like the CM roms for all the added functionality (remote wipes, themes, etc.). Also, in the longer term Kitkat is only going to be possible on our phones via the AOSP/CM route.
I wonder if there is any possibility to fund a bounty to fix hardware compatibility for all the AOSP/CM based roms.
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Yes - I thought about it, but I like the CM roms for all the added functionality (remote wipes, themes, etc.). Also, in the longer term Kitkat is only going to be possible on our phones via the AOSP/CM route.
I wonder if there is any possibility to fund a bounty to fix hardware compatibility for all the AOSP/CM based roms.
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What hardware compatibility do you mean? I don't know whether a bounty is going to work, the devs we have working on these ROMs are already doing their absolute best to bring us the best software possible. Also, some of these issues are caused at an upstream level and are completely out of their control.
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