Just a question for all the developers out there, what would you recommend most for building a stock based rom on, an image built from AOSP or from an OTA update? I am thinking of eventually making some major mods but to start with it is basic stuff, so would it be better to have the full source?
Any benefits/disadvantages for the two types? Other than the lack of gapps in AOSP which is easily fixed.
Just finally an idea for the extent of the changes, think of closer to MIUI in scale of changes compared to CM7 etc. Major ui and system changes, possibly even behaviour of the OS changes.
Thanks for any help! Also if anyone wants to help out with anything, let me know and I will see what can happen.
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AOSP will be cleaner. You could use CM7 as a base as well which uses AOSP as a base.
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AOSP will be cleaner. You could use CM7 as a base as well which uses AOSP as a base.
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I'm leaning towards aosp currently actually, that way I have full control over anything if I wanted to modify and change etc.
Just a question with stability, would aosp be less stable than an ota base? I've noticed it sometimes on CM7 although it is expected because of the beta nature and also the extra features.
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It seems like no matter how many roms I try, when I flash a Sense rom my phone seems to work best.
GPS locks on fast, not a lot of freezes, just all around a good experience.
So are HTC phones meant to go hand in hand with Sense?
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It seems like no matter how many roms I try, when I flash a Sense rom my phone seems to work best.
GPS locks on fast, not a lot of freezes, just all around a good experience.
So are HTC phones meant to go hand in hand with Sense?
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Sense OSs are de-tox'd versions of other OSs ports or built strictly from code.
Long and short of it, Sense OSs are from HTC directly. Yes they will work "better".
Personally i've not had any of the symptoms you are having with CM252
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Sense OSs are de-tox'd versions of other OSs ports or built strictly from code.
Long and short of it, Sense OSs are from HTC directly. Yes they will work "better".
Personally i've not had any of the symptoms you are having with CM252
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same here, been running CM252 without any issues since it was released. IMO Sense roms run a little "slow" for me (damn bloatware )
ive run both cm7 and miui and neither one have given me any issues. sure, you may have an odd happening once in a while, but no more than the stock rom. in fact, after running the miui build im on now, i wouldnt even consider going back to stock
Most likely Sense builds are just more polished and bug-free than CM and/or MIUI, even when ported from another phone. Since this phone is essentially the same as other MSM8x55 siblings (Desire HD, Desire S, etc), not a lot of things can go wrong in porting, given a proper kernel (which is released and available for ROM developers), excluding the porting from phones with different resolution (Sensation).
cm7 and miui - agreed, no problems here either.
... and for Sense ROMs have started using ROM Cleaner which is excellent IMHO
There seems to be quite a few jelly bean roms right now, and without an official leak, I am sure each one has its ups and downs at this point.
I am coming from synergyrom, and want to give JB a try. Since theres is still "beta" I am not sure I wanna try that right away.
Which is the most stable at this point??
Definitely liquid smooth...I've tried others and always revert back to touch wiz stock based roms, and i despise touch wiz...liquid smooth jb is the best I've flashed
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liquid smooth is awesome for aosp JB, but touchwiz there's not much thats super stable imo
thanks for the input so far!
Please note if there are known issues, that might help make decisions too.
Thanks all!!
I like codename. Super smooth, frickin' fast and barely believable battery life! Some apps don't stream audio over bluetooth and you have to enable a couple of Developer options to address screen flickering, but those are truthfully very minor annoyances you'll be happy to overlook when you get a taste of that ROM.
Seriously, try it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900479
I've tried both liquid and codename. They are both very very similar. I can't find cant difference in customization between the two.
Codename ran a little warm for me, not saying liquid runs cool but still.
The reason I jumped to liquid is because in codename (for me anyway) the 160 character MMS bug still persisted, it does not in liquid.
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I've tried both liquid and codename. They are both very very similar. I can't find cant difference in customization between the two.
Codename ran a little warm for me, not saying liquid runs cool but still.
The reason I jumped to liquid is because in codename (for me anyway) the 160 character MMS bug still persisted, it does not in liquid.
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I can respect that. Haven't tried liquid as the CNA ROM got posted around the time I got this phone. I've heard the 160 character error msg is a bit of a red herring, that the msgs actually do get sent but just say they didn't. Was that your experience or did they actually not get sent?
One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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Well said.
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One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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There is a fix for this now but just has not made it's way into all AOSP roms yet. There are in most of the newer AOKP builds right now.
The biggest issue still is the low volume when recording video's. This is an issue in all AOSP roms and has not been fixed yet. I know I also read a lot about speakerphone and in call volume problems but not sure to much about the actual issue.
This is why I am still sticking to an ICS TW Rom. I like knowing everything on my device just works.
The only major thing that keeps from moving to CM10, or Liquid Smooth is the lack of USB Audio. I leave my phone on my dock at work and stream Pandora through the dock's usb audio. I've been using SynergyROM for awhile now, and will probably stick with it until the USB Audio issue is fixed.
AOKP's new build has been great for me. No real issues to report yet...been on it since 3 came out a week or so ago?
i haven't been too impressed jb at all tbh.
Well there's two routes you can go to get your JellyBean fix, and that's either AOSP or TouchWiz.
Touchwiz: You've got two choices.
- You could go with Synergy JB 0.2 beta which is based off the AT&T leaked JB touchwiz build. I personally have not ran it so i can't comment on how well it works, but i use synergy as my touchwiz choice of roms, and was never disappointed by there work, so i'm sure the JB build is working great.
- There is also Jellywiz which is made by Incubus, he's been basing his off the latest leaks, and has a few builds out. One of them is a custom build which just has a few theme changes, and a few other things added in/changed. There's a lot of praise in that thread for his rom, the only bug i had when trying it was that i could not get voice and data to work at the same time (phone calls and web browsing at the same time) But that is because its not based off a verizon leak and until then probably will not work.
AOSP: We'll you've got a lot of options, there's a few here on XDA and then some more on Rootzwiki, so i won't be giving detail on all of them, just a few. But they will all generally 'look' the same, by that i mean because they are all based on AOSP source it'll have the same look to it, since source looks the same.
-CM10: Well it's your basic CM that you've grown to love (or hate ) you can expect nightlies, and things to get fixed in a timely matter. If you used CM7 or CM9 on previous devices then you'll know exactly what to expect. Its built directly from source and you can expect it to be speedy quick.
-AOKP: It's built from source as well just like CM10, but has more options in it, and generally more customization as well. If you use it it'll look a lot like CM10, but it'll have added in bonuses
-CodeNameAndroid: Again built from source, but with codename you've got a ton of customization thrown in, there's a lot of stuff from different AOSP options thrown into it. Right now the Navbar doesn't work without flashing a separate file, but that's not a huge problem since its just a little file to flash. I personally am using it right now and its been great to me, can't really complain about it at all
-LiquidSmooth: Built from source, those that have used a liquid rom before will know exactly what to expect. It will be speedy quick and smooth as hell. You'll find plenty of butter in it as well, they've got there own liquidsettings that'll allow you to do even more customization, and i give them major props, i've currently got them going on my old thunderbolt which is my backup phone, but also used them on my OG Droid and i can vouch that they will provide an amazing rom for users
There are more AOSP Roms over on rootzwiki, but its again the same general thing, each AOSP rom comes from source, but each developer will theme/modify/add/remove/customize to there own liking to provide you with what they feel is the best user experience. The biggest difference between the Touchwiz JB roms and AOSP is that with AOSP you'll have a lot more options going and it'll be stock jellybean, no touchwiz nonsense to hold you back. Some people love the touchwiz stuff and that's fine, but some will love having pure jellybean on there phone and being able to take advantage of that. I'll tell you honestly 100% that AOSP will be faster no matter what touchwiz rom you run.
Oh and kernel wise, i fully stand behind imoseyon's lean kernel for AOSP roms, i've always used imoseyon's kernel's and have always gotten amazing battery life on my GS3 and thunderbolt.
Phew i really hope this helps you with any decision you may have
***If i missed any Touchwiz or AOSP roms i do apologize, i don't know them all off the top of my head, so please don't think that just because i left yours out that i meant it in a bad way***
What are the general downsides with using these JB roms weither it be TouchWiz or AOSP. I'm going to take the jump soon but whats fixed or unfixable? I hear some people say screen flicker and no 3G etc.
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Well there's two routes you can go to get your JellyBean fix, and that's either AOSP or TouchWiz.
Touchwiz: You've got two choices.
- You could go with Synergy JB 0.2 beta which is based off the AT&T leaked JB touchwiz build. I personally have not ran it so i can't comment on how well it works, but i use synergy as my touchwiz choice of roms, and was never disappointed by there work, so i'm sure the JB build is working great.
- There is also Jellywiz which is made by Incubus, he's been basing his off the latest leaks, and has a few builds out. One of them is a custom build which just has a few theme changes, and a few other things added in/changed. There's a lot of praise in that thread for his rom, the only bug i had when trying it was that i could not get voice and data to work at the same time (phone calls and web browsing at the same time) But that is because its not based off a verizon leak and until then probably will not work.
AOSP: We'll you've got a lot of options, there's a few here on XDA and then some more on Rootzwiki, so i won't be giving detail on all of them, just a few. But they will all generally 'look' the same, by that i mean because they are all based on AOSP source it'll have the same look to it, since source looks the same.
-CM10: Well it's your basic CM that you've grown to love (or hate ) you can expect nightlies, and things to get fixed in a timely matter. If you used CM7 or CM9 on previous devices then you'll know exactly what to expect. Its built directly from source and you can expect it to be speedy quick.
-AOKP: It's built from source as well just like CM10, but has more options in it, and generally more customization as well. If you use it it'll look a lot like CM10, but it'll have added in bonuses
-CodeNameAndroid: Again built from source, but with codename you've got a ton of customization thrown in, there's a lot of stuff from different AOSP options thrown into it. Right now the Navbar doesn't work without flashing a separate file, but that's not a huge problem since its just a little file to flash. I personally am using it right now and its been great to me, can't really complain about it at all
-LiquidSmooth: Built from source, those that have used a liquid rom before will know exactly what to expect. It will be speedy quick and smooth as hell. You'll find plenty of butter in it as well, they've got there own liquidsettings that'll allow you to do even more customization, and i give them major props, i've currently got them going on my old thunderbolt which is my backup phone, but also used them on my OG Droid and i can vouch that they will provide an amazing rom for users
There are more AOSP Roms over on rootzwiki, but its again the same general thing, each AOSP rom comes from source, but each developer will theme/modify/add/remove/customize to there own liking to provide you with what they feel is the best user experience. The biggest difference between the Touchwiz JB roms and AOSP is that with AOSP you'll have a lot more options going and it'll be stock jellybean, no touchwiz nonsense to hold you back. Some people love the touchwiz stuff and that's fine, but some will love having pure jellybean on there phone and being able to take advantage of that. I'll tell you honestly 100% that AOSP will be faster no matter what touchwiz rom you run.
Oh and kernel wise, i fully stand behind imoseyon's lean kernel for AOSP roms, i've always used imoseyon's kernel's and have always gotten amazing battery life on my GS3 and thunderbolt.
Phew i really hope this helps you with any decision you may have
***If i missed any Touchwiz or AOSP roms i do apologize, i don't know them all off the top of my head, so please don't think that just because i left yours out that i meant it in a bad way***
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thanks a bunch for the big write-up. I do live in an area that is partly 3g, part 4g, so I am a little concerned about these data drops.. Has this been fixed in the AOSP roms mentioned above?
I would hold out a few more weeks for a touchwiz based rom - I tried Incubus' and got a number of random reboots. Cleanrom 2.5 has been working great!
Currently, all the AOSP roms have the same issues -
- data drops, esp on 3g/4g handoff. There were some recent commits that claim to have fixed this, I'm not sure if it did and which rom's include it
- potential for IMEI loss or brick. Again, you should back up IMEI before any flash, I don't think these issues are present on TW
- TW camera is better. There's an AOSP JB camera mod but hasn't been updated for the newer builds yet
- GPS locks. I keep reading about this in the AOSP rom's, I don't know how common this is.
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thanks a bunch for the big write-up. I do live in an area that is partly 3g, part 4g, so I am a little concerned about these data drops.. Has this been fixed in the AOSP roms mentioned above?
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your welcome. It ended up being a lot longer than I had originally planned. As for data drops, I'm testing a fix right now and I can confirm it works fine
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Currently, all the AOSP roms have the same issues -
- data drops, esp on 3g/4g handoff. There were some recent commits that claim to have fixed this, I'm not sure if it did and which rom's include it
- potential for IMEI loss or brick. Again, you should back up IMEI before any flash, I don't think these issues are present on TW
- TW camera is better. There's an AOSP JB camera mod but hasn't been updated for the newer builds yet
- GPS locks. I keep reading about this in the AOSP rom's, I don't know how common this is.
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Data drops were indeed fixed
Imei issues can happen when flashing anything from radios to kernels to roms both touchwiz to aosp. It can also easily be restored.
Tw camera only has a few more features, but in terms of quality their both equal to me. Once the aosp mod is updated it'll be even better.
GPS lock is simple, just get a full lock before flashing aosp and then while having it locked boot into recovery and do your thing.
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your welcome. It ended up being a lot longer than I had originally planned. As for data drops, I'm testing a fix right now and I can confirm it works fine
Data drops were indeed fixed
Imei issues can happen when flashing anything from radios to kernels to roms both touchwiz to aosp. It can also easily be restored.
Tw camera only has a few more features, but in terms of quality their both equal to me. Once the aosp mod is updated it'll be even better.
GPS lock is simple, just get a full lock before flashing aosp and then while having it locked boot into recovery and do your thing.
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link to CM10 data fix?
Is it possible to use mhl with cm or aokp??
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Is it possible to use mhl with cm or aokp??
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No, at the moment there's no AOSP ROM that can do HDMI/MHL out. It's the #1 reason I continue to use Sense based ROMs on the One S (or any other HTC Android phone). When I was using the HTC Sensation it was the same thing, developers couldn't get it working most likely because the functionality relied on some proprietary software locked down by HTC.
MHL is a feature that I would personally donate money to developers for, but it seems the majority of users simply don't see MHL as an important feature. This is why most AOSP ROM change logs don't even bother mentioning that MHL doesn't work. For those more knowledgeable, please feel free to correct me if I've said anything wrong, my apologies in advance.
I've been hoping for this very thing myself. Vanilla is so much cleaner than any of the stupid skinning HTC has done... so far, i've settled with Viper OneS to keep the HW functionality with as much sense removed as possible. still have it for the titlebar/drawer, settings, phone/messaging and lock screen which kinda sucks, but at least I can use it with my appradio2.
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I've been hoping for this very thing myself. Vanilla is so much cleaner than any of the stupid skinning HTC has done... so far, i've settled with Viper OneS to keep the HW functionality with as much sense removed as possible. still have it for the titlebar/drawer, settings, phone/messaging and lock screen which kinda sucks, but at least I can use it with my appradio2.
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I just switched a couple days ago to the ViperOneS ROM, and I've been impressed with how smooth it runs given the Sense 4 UI (props to the ViperOneS team). Yes, AOSP would likely result in more free RAM overall (thus more multitasking ability), however I like how the ViperOneS has several AOSP tweaks like the apps dialog and lockscreen. Of course, the MHL / HDMI out is working great as well.
Interestingly, the only modern smartphone I could find that has MHL / HDMI fully working on AOSP is the Sony Xperia T/TX (and similar variations). The FreeXperia project somehow managed to get it working, though I guess it's because of the generous source code sharing from Sony. For users who absolutely require an AOSP ROM with MHL, recent Sony smartphones with FreeXperia based ROMs are the only option.
So I rooted my TMobile branded HTC Sensation a couple months ago and can't believe I went that long without attempting to root it.
The first ROM I flashed was Android Revolution and I loved it! I love the Beats Audio and the ability to hide apps along with all the little things you over look. I also love how sleek the UI appears.
However, voice searching in Google Maps and in general doesn't work and I would like to install Google Now on my HTC Sensation. Can anyone recommend a good ROM I can try out? I have a trouble finding any ROMs worth looking into besides the "popular" ones.
If you want to customize it, install ViperS. It does slow down after a while, but a slight overclock of the CPU might help. So many options and add ons
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If you want to customize it, install ViperS. It does slow down after a while, but a slight overclock of the CPU might help. So many options and add ons
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I tried ViperS and I didn't like the look of it... Any other suggestions?
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Try this (albinoman887 CyanogenMod 10.1 based off android 4.2.2)
Its fluid, user friendly, and easy to customize
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115520
Hope you like it!
Hi greetings
can you mind reading this fully
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171608
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Hi greetings
can you mind reading this fully
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171608
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I would've read the whole thing if I could even remotely understand that horribly broken English.
Send I was not asking for the "best" ROM. I was asking for suggestions of less well known ROMs that get buried and are worth trying.
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I would've read the whole thing if I could even remotely understand that horribly broken English.
Send I was not asking for the "best" ROM. I was asking for suggestions of less well known ROMs that get buried and are worth trying.
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Hi
greetings
I must seriously join English classes due to my bad english
basically you cant ask for roms AT LEAST HERE ON XDA
you must find out on your own
LOOK INTO DEVLOPMENT SECTOR YOU WILL GET ALL OF THEM
Well, I can tell you that Bruce's CM10 is rock solid and because it's JB (4.1.x) it has Google Now. The one I'm using right now is Albino's CM10.1 (4.2.x), which also includes Google Now by default. It's also really stable. If you decide to go with CM, I'd suggest you install a custom launcher like Apex so you can hide the apps.
To Sense or not to Sense? That is the question that first must be asked to one's self, in order to begin their journey of ROM finding.
If Sense, which version of Sense? 3.6 or 4.x? Sense 3.6 offers speed, reliability and stability. Whilst, Sense 4 delivers the beauty of a newer GUI, greater features but with the sacrifice of smoothness and battery life, generally.
Roms for 3.6:
Elegancia
ARHD
Energy
Ordroid
CoinDroid (The evolution of InsertCoin, this was amazing back in the day)
Roms for 4.x:
ViperS
DarkSense
CommuniSation
If one wishes not to Sense, the choice must be made of which Android version to use. 2.3 all the way up to 4.2.2. Once the choice is made, the decision for AOSP, AOKP, CyanogenMod and MIUI is also to be made. AOSP provides the sleek, native and stock Android ROM that Google's Nexus devices all use. No tweaks, just the purity and speed. AOKP and CM are mod heavy, if one chooses to do so. Which aid in doing things to your phone which were otherwise, unforeseen in the world of mobile technology. For example, changing status bar elements, editing hardware key functions and notification area elements. MIUI, can't speak on this too much, but I feel it gives your phone an iOS feel, different to any other android skin/ROM and very orange. Didn't really like it, but that's me.
For AOSP:
Can't think of one off the the top of my head.. A quick search will do ya.
For AOKP:
Frankinstine's!
For CM10:
Bruce's!
NameLess Bean
Albinoman's
For MIUI:
ASR-Droid and many others.
im not quite happy with camera shots with all the Jelly Bean roms. i tried many JB roms and all seem take terrible pictures. then i tried a Sense based rom and pictures were much better. i dont find Sense to be bad.
so what i'm really looking for is a sense based Jelly Bean rom? all the ones i've found so far are all ICS/Sense. is there any JB/Sense rom at the moment?
thanks for your help.
i can live with a non-sense JB rom but in terms of camera, does anybody have a suggestion? i think i will try a a few camera app if i can't find a sense/jb rom.
chagla said:
im not quite happy with camera shots with all the Jelly Bean roms. i tried many JB roms and all seem take terrible pictures. then i tried a Sense based rom and pictures were much better. i dont find Sense to be bad.
so what i'm really looking for is a sense based Jelly Bean rom? all the ones i've found so far are all ICS/Sense. is there any JB/Sense rom at the moment?
thanks for your help.
i can live with a non-sense JB rom but in terms of camera, does anybody have a suggestion? i think i will try a a few camera app if i can't find a sense/jb rom.
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Viper just released the first JB Sense ROM for Sensation, however camera doesn't work at all, so if you want Sense with working camera, you're still stuck on ICS. As for JB on CM/AOSP, just try a few camera apps from Play Store and see which one suit you best.