I know the DHD and the Inspire are very similar, but are they the same phone?, like, are they both an ace?
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They are the same phone with a exception of few features
I should have one in my hands by tomorrow. Anything I can look for to see if it can be rooted like the DHD? Bootloader version or something else?
mentalcase said:
I should have one in my hands by tomorrow. Anything I can look for to see if it can be rooted like the DHD? Bootloader version or something else?
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Bootloader version is irrelevent for this device, but yes, do this:
adb shell cat /proc/emmc
or download an android terminal emulator and run this right from the phone:
cat /proc/emmc
If the partition tables are the same as the Euro DHD, I think we can root these - with a couple of extra steps.
How are you getting one tomorrow?
Moved to general as not android development
attn1 said:
Bootloader version is irrelevent for this device, but yes, do this:
adb shell cat /proc/emmc
or download an android terminal emulator and run this right from the phone:
cat /proc/emmc
If the partition tables are the same as the Euro DHD, I think we can root these - with a couple of extra steps.
How are you getting one tomorrow?
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Unfortunately, I do not want to disclose how I received the inspire, but here are the partition tables.
cat /proc/emmc
dev: size erasesize name
mmcblk0p17: 00040000 00000200 "misc"
mmcblk0p21: 0087f400 00000200 "recovery"
mmcblk0p22: 00400000 00000200 "boot"
mmcblk0p25: 22dffe00 00000200 "system"
mmcblk0p27: 12bffe00 00000200 "cache"
mmcblk0p26: 496ffe00 00000200 "userdata"
mmcblk0p28: 014bfe00 00000200 "devlog"
mmcblk0p29: 00040000 00000200 "pdata"
Hopefully they are similar.
mentalcase said:
Unfortunately, I do not want to disclose how I received the inspire, but here are the partition tables.
cat /proc/emmc
dev: size erasesize name
mmcblk0p17: 00040000 00000200 "misc"
mmcblk0p21: 0087f400 00000200 "recovery"
mmcblk0p22: 00400000 00000200 "boot"
mmcblk0p25: 22dffe00 00000200 "system"
mmcblk0p27: 12bffe00 00000200 "cache"
mmcblk0p26: 496ffe00 00000200 "userdata"
mmcblk0p28: 014bfe00 00000200 "devlog"
mmcblk0p29: 00040000 00000200 "pdata"
Hopefully they are similar.
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anyone know if they are the same?
mentalcase said:
Unfortunately, I do not want to disclose how I received the inspire, but here are the partition tables.
cat /proc/emmc
dev: size erasesize name
mmcblk0p17: 00040000 00000200 "misc"
mmcblk0p21: 0087f400 00000200 "recovery"
mmcblk0p22: 00400000 00000200 "boot"
mmcblk0p25: 22dffe00 00000200 "system"
mmcblk0p27: 12bffe00 00000200 "cache"
mmcblk0p26: 496ffe00 00000200 "userdata"
mmcblk0p28: 014bfe00 00000200 "devlog"
mmcblk0p29: 00040000 00000200 "pdata"
Hopefully they are similar.
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from a Euro DHD:
dev: size erasesize name
mmcblk0p17: 00040000 00000200 "misc"
mmcblk0p21: 0087f400 00000200 "recovery"
mmcblk0p22: 00400000 00000200 "boot"
mmcblk0p25: 22dffe00 00000200 "system"
mmcblk0p27: 12bffe00 00000200 "cache"
mmcblk0p26: 496ffe00 00000200 "userdata"
mmcblk0p28: 014bfe00 00000200 "devlog"
mmcblk0p29: 00040000 00000200 "pdata"
Yup, it's a match. This means that as long as your Inspire is the same one that is being released, we should all be good.
If you want help rooting this now, come into the IRC channel in my sig and I think I can guide you through it.
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from a Euro DHD:
dev: size erasesize name
mmcblk0p17: 00040000 00000200 "misc"
mmcblk0p21: 0087f400 00000200 "recovery"
mmcblk0p22: 00400000 00000200 "boot"
mmcblk0p25: 22dffe00 00000200 "system"
mmcblk0p27: 12bffe00 00000200 "cache"
mmcblk0p26: 496ffe00 00000200 "userdata"
mmcblk0p28: 014bfe00 00000200 "devlog"
mmcblk0p29: 00040000 00000200 "pdata"
Yup, it's a match. This means that as long as your Inspire is the same one that is being released, we should all be good.
If you want help rooting this now, come into the IRC channel in my sig and I think I can guide you through it.
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Awesome! The one I received came in a retail box, so I don't think anything will change before release. Heading to the IRC room now.
So after the irc channel extravaganza is your inspire rooted? S-off? I can't wait till sunday!! Did you try flashing a rom?
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nice I had a feeling this was gonna be the same!
laxwillsch said:
So after the irc channel extravaganza is your inspire rooted? S-off? I can't wait till sunday!! Did you try flashing a rom?
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We must know
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My mouth is watering now that I read this.... Do tell
rwon said:
My mouth is watering now that I read this.... Do tell
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Patience is a virtue.
We made excellent progress. There will be details on Sunday so that everyone can join he party.
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We made excellent progress. There will be details on Sunday so that everyone can join he party.
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Sounds like we may have root
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.....
Damn can't wait to get this on Sunday now
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I dont know what an ACE is, but this is essentially the same as the Desire HD and the Thunderbolt right?
Except obviously ATT network not Verizon and has no front facing camera or kickstand. Seems identical spec wise otherwise. Maybe I am wrong.
Still deciding between this and Thunderbolt. Been with att a while but never had a smartphone and getting stuck with a 2gb limit for $25 sounds rough. From what I understand its not a lot.
I have ATT and got in on the unlimited fortunately. 2Gb is a lot, but if you do videos or any downloading you can get over it... I have had months in the 10GB range(bit torrent) LOL. My average usage is prob about 2 gigs though and i'm on my phone all the time.
Related
So after looking around it does appear that the SGS 4G does acctually include 16g internal storage. For what ever reason Samsung or T-mobile thought it would be nice to hide the storage from us and only allow us to access 500mb for apps.
This thread is here to discuss possible ways to open it up or unlock the rest of the storage like the vibrant. After all this phone was supposed to be an upgrade.
Wow
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if true...
this makes this THE phone to hack... if you can unlock that you would be the FRIGGIN MAN! LOL
On a temp-rooted and pretty well stuffed SGS4G showing 52.93 MB "Application storage" "Available Space" in the "SD card and phone storage" settings panel
Code:
# ./busybox df
./busybox df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
tmpfs 173528 0 173528 0% /dev
df: /mnt/.lfs: Function not implemented
tmpfs 173528 0 173528 0% /mnt/asec
/dev/block/stl9 381568 299088 82480 78% /system
/dev/block/stl10 526696 472508 54188 90% /data
/dev/block/stl11 35640 4732 30908 13% /cache
/dev/block/stl3 6064 540 5524 9% /efs
/dev/block/vold/179:0
15441920 1750544 13691376 11% /mnt/sdcard
/dev/block/vold/179:0
15441920 1750544 13691376 11% /mnt/secure/asec
/system -- 381,568 KB
/data -- 526,696 KB (given the 52.93 MB available ~ 54364K free, this looks to be user app storage)
/cache -- 35,640 KB
/efs -- 6,064 KB
Looks like 949,968 KB or so ("1 GB") is already accounted for.
Has someone examined the "cracked" phone to confirm that there truly is a 16 GB flash on the board?
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Galaxy-S-4G-Teardown/4977/1
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic...rdown-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s-4g-smart-phone/
Look at the specs for the 4g. I'm no expert but see for yourself.
http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa...ID=2&PROD_SUB_ID=557&PROD_ID=560&AT_ID=369849
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this weekend I'll take a look at the source and see what I can jimmy up.
krylon360 said:
this weekend I'll take a look at the source and see what I can jimmy up.
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Thanks krylon! Expect a donation from me tonight. For all your great work with the vibrant, and now some hope for the 4g.
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lovemysgs said:
Thanks krylon! Expect a donation from me tonight. For all your great work with the vibrant, and now some hope for the 4g.
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I will also donate to anyone who can manage to unlock this internal storage space.
Agreed i'll donate as well, its unlock the remaining 15GB's or back to TMobile it goes, POS crippled vibrant 2. WTF were they thinking (shoulda looked at "about phone" on the display model /sigh).
I would also donate.. if this is true..
I will donate 20 for storage and 20 when clockwork gets on the list.
Galaxy S 4G
if this happens! I will donate also!
krylon360 said:
this weekend I'll take a look at the source and see what I can jimmy up.
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I'm looking forward to hearing a good news from you before this coming Sunday. I will return this damn 4g phone this weekend due to lag of internal storage.
I'm just thinking, is it possible to partition the internal storage, which may open up the blockage if in fact the internal storage itself is 16 gb.
Thanks in advance for any efforts.
How cool would it be if xda setup a way to "bounty" devs with donating to an account that they can claim once they make the hack or rom... I think it would be great!
Galaxy S 4G
bce461734 said:
I'm looking forward to hearing a good news from you before this coming Sunday. I will return this damn 4g phone this weekend due to lag of internal storage.
I'm just thinking, is it possible to partition the internal storage, which may open up the blockage if in fact the internal storage itself is 16 gb.
Thanks in advance for any efforts.
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Don't know if I can get something done by Sunday. All depends on when the loaner arrives. Once it gets here I can start hacking it to see if its there.
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bce461734 said:
I'm looking forward to hearing a good news from you before this coming Sunday. I will return this damn 4g phone this weekend due to lag of internal storage.
I'm just thinking, is it possible to partition the internal storage, which may open up the blockage if in fact the internal storage itself is 16 gb.
Thanks in advance for any efforts.
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Guys, stop putting time lines for the devs. Stop sounding so demanding. If you want to donate to a dev, donate. Don't make it conditional. Most of you have no idea what it takes to do what they do..
Be respectful and patient!
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lovemysgs said:
Guys, stop putting time lines for the devs. Stop sounding so demanding. If you want to donate to a dev, donate. Don't make it conditional. Most of you have no idea what it takes to do what they do..
Be respectful and patient!
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Agree, good things come to those who wait
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bce461734 said:
I'm looking forward to hearing a good news from you before this coming Sunday. I will return this damn 4g phone this weekend due to lag of internal storage.
I'm just thinking, is it possible to partition the internal storage, which may open up the blockage if in fact the internal storage itself is 16 gb.
Thanks in advance for any efforts.
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That's what I was thinking. I would assume so. I've never heard of a piece of software that programatically modifies the total amount of available space of a partition. It would be 10x easier to simply partition the drive to the size you desire.
Eagerly awaiting the results!
i'll donate to more storage as well..
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...WRfbXVsdGlfX18xX3Byb21vXzEzMzI0MzcwNDAyNDYiXQ..
got it...and it's too damned addictive! Even just bought it online from Rovio for the PC....
I'm like tearing this game up !!!! Hell yeh
" The Official Rom Zombie "
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I don't even truly play angry birds but this one threw aside all responsibilities and took priority lol
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ognimnella said:
I don't even truly play angry birds but this one threw aside all responsibilities and took priority lol
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LOL. I know, I haven't played AB in a while. I actually uninstalled the original and only have the AB Rio version.
Just started this one and its pretty cool! Love the animation on youtube. Funny as always.
This thing is crazy fun
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i have a sgs2, angry birds space has another world, that we dont have, i have even taken the apk off of it and installed it, but its just the same. its called Danger Zone.
Danger Zone is also available in the PC version, but not in the version I downloaded from Play Store.....
taffypride said:
Danger Zone is also available in the PC version, but not in the version I downloaded from Play Store.....
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but the sgs2 has it and galaxy nexus doesn't it. So how do WE get it?
only thing I can think of is maybe there is something in the coding of the game that check what the device is....
taffypride said:
only thing I can think of is maybe there is something in the coding of the game that check what the device is....
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build.prop mod
kpjimmy said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...WRfbXVsdGlfX18xX3Byb21vXzEzMzI0MzcwNDAyNDYiXQ..
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This game is awesome, I download it in the first 30 minutes yesterday.
Good luck and good play.
downloaded it and ...playing already...did that for my iphone too
i have danger zone
i have a samsung galaxy 5 (i5500) and i have danger zone :O
I changed all the ro.product names to a GT-I9000 build.prop. didn't work. Uninstalled game, rebooted.
mulletcutter said:
I changed all the ro.product names to a GT-I9000 build.prop. didn't work. Uninstalled game, rebooted.
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Did you change the brand to Samsung?
Edit: I'm in an Atrix, changed everything MOTO or Motorola (manufacturer AND prop fingerprint) to Samsung. I did mine with root explorer and rebooted. (SAVE PROP BEFORE EDITING! or let root explorer do it for you.)
So all I have to change is these values:
ro.product.model=GT-I9100
ro.product.brand=samsung
ro.product.name=GT-I9100
Yes or No?
bedwa said:
Did you change the brand to Samsung?
Edit: I'm in an Atrix, changed everything MOTO or Motorola (manufacturer AND prop fingerprint) to Samsung. I did mine with root explorer and rebooted. (SAVE PROP BEFORE EDITING! or let root explorer do it for you.)
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screenshot your build.prop
# begin build properties
# autogenerated by buildinfo.sh
ro.build.id=4.5.91
ro.build.display.id=GWK74
ro.build.version.incremental=eng.rmcc.20120314.231047
ro.build.version.sdk=10
ro.build.version.codename=REL
ro.build.version.release=2.3.7
ro.build.date=Wed Mar 14 23:11:04 UTC 2012
ro.build.date.utc=0
ro.build.type=user
ro.build.user=rmcc
ro.build.host=kangtastic
ro.build.tags=test-keys
ro.product.model=MB860
ro.product.brand=Samsung
ro.product.name=olyatt
ro.product.device=olympus
ro.product.board=olympus
ro.product.cpu.abi=armeabi-v7a
ro.product.cpu.abi2=armeabi
ro.product.manufacturer=Samsung
ro.product.locale.language=en
ro.product.locale.region=US
ro.wifi.channels=
ro.board.platform=tegra
# ro.build.product is obsolete; use ro.product.device
ro.build.product=olympus
# Do not try to parse ro.build.description or .fingerprint
ro.build.description=olympus-user 2.3.4 4.5.91 110625 release-keys
ro.build.fingerprint=Samsung/olyatt/olympus:2.3.4/4.5.91/110625:user/release-keys
Explaination of above. Changed brand from MOTO to Samsung, manufacturer from Motorola to Samsung and MOTO in start of build.fingerprint to Samsung. Reboot.
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Got it.
All you have to do is:
ro.product.model= to "ro.product.model=GT-I9100"
ro.product.manufacturer= to "ro.product.manufacturer=samsung"
Reset phone and your good to go!
Anyone? Does it recognize 64GB?
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Yeap, works fine. Ive got a 64gb SanDisk Mobile version which is only Class6 (instead of Class10) but it works fine.
Here is the thread that shows that it works as well as telling you how to let the phone format the card, not the SDformat tool.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586295
Dixit
You have to format it in the phone. It won't have the full 64, but something like 59gb or so.
xcrazydx said:
You have to format it in the phone. It won't have the full 64, but something like 59gb or so.
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Thats thanks to the hard drive manufacturers and marketting mis-representing the values.
Hard drive manufacturers calculate hard drive sizes using base 10, where 1000 bytes equals one kilobyte. But computers do everything in binary (base 2), where it takes 1024 bytes to store a kilobyte of data. In addition, the computer’s OS uses part of the drive for a directory to keep track of the actual data. As a result, the usable capacity of a hard drive is typically 90 to 93% of the advertised capacity.
If you want to prove this to yourself, take the 64GB as an example. By the hardware maker's definition, one GB = 1000 MB and one MB = 1000 KB and one KB = 1000 bytes. So 64 GB would be 64 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000 bytes (64,000,000,000).
Now, divide 64,000,000,000 by 1,024. Divide the result by 1,024. Divide once more by 1,024 and you will get 59.6gb (rounded).
Awesome. I ordered one and waiting for it to get here.
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Tell us how it turns out!
triplexkush said:
Tell us how it turns out!
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Works great. Using it now! Feels like I'm holding a super phone on me lol
raviluke said:
Works great. Using it now! Feels like I'm holding a super phone on me lol
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& probably the entire Library of Congress, the complete works of Da Vinci, along with every recording by Zappa & all those questionable photos you took on the Memorial Day Weekend.... and yeah, a super phone
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Does the os really take up the much space?
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xXghostXx313 said:
Does the os really take up the much space?
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Yep, the OS and all the apps decompressed.
xXghostXx313 said:
Does the os really take up the much space?
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It has nothing to do with the OS. You will learn that the internal storage being advertised is not the amount of space you will get. This applies to sdcards, hard drives, anything. Even if you read on the OnePlus One box it will explain it to you in small text.
If you want to read more, see http://lifehacker.com/5950506/why-doesnt-my-new-hard-drive-show-the-right-amount-of-space
Hard Drives Are Measured One Way, But Marketed Another
Why Doesn't My New Hard Drive Show the Right Amount of Space?
Here's the bigger reason you have less space: computers are based on binary math, which means storage is counted using base 2—not base 10, which is what you see on the box. So, while we measure a kilobyte as 1,000 bytes, Windows actually refers to a kilobyte as 1,024 bytes. Similarly, a megabyte is actually 1,024 kilobytes, a gigabyte is 1,024 megabytes, and so on. That means the actual amount of space on the drive is going to be lower than what you're told, with the difference being bigger as you get to bigger drives. In general, for each gigabyte reported on the box, you'll have about 70MB less space when you plug it in—which means that your 1TB drive has closer to 900GB as measured by Windows.
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zephiK said:
It has nothing to do with the OS. You will learn that the internal storage being advertised is not the amount of space you will get. This applies to sdcards, hard drives, anything. Even if you read on the OnePlus One box it will explain it to you in small text.
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Yea I know about the size not being actual 64gb but I thought the OS and apps were taking up to much space but its all good.
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xXghostXx313 said:
Yea I know about the size not being actual 64gb but I thought the OS and apps were taking up to much space but its all good.
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Oh your OP post was just a bit misleading/confusing ...... you can minimize the space it uses, a lot of the bloatware Google Apps are in the /system/ partition so it uses a lot of space on apps that you most likely won't even be using like Google Videos, Google Books, etc.
zephiK said:
It has nothing to do with the OS. You will learn that the internal storage being advertised is not the amount of space you will get. This applies to sdcards, hard drives, anything. Even if you read on the OnePlus One box it will explain it to you in small text.
If you want to read more, see http://lifehacker.com/5950506/why-doesnt-my-new-hard-drive-show-the-right-amount-of-space
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Why is it always like this? Kinda sucks Advertize 64Gb, but only get 54. Where did 10GB go?
I remember when SSD first came out: 80GB only gave you 60GB, but there was one company that actually advertised the correct amount when customers got theirs I forget the company name.
lemonspeakers said:
Why is it always like this? Kinda sucks Advertize 64Gb, but only get 54. Where did 10GB go?
I remember when SSD first came out: 80GB only gave you 60GB, but there was one company that actually advertised the correct amount when customers got theirs I forget the company name.
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I copy pasted a little snippet of a article on why its like that. But I agree, its crappy that its like that because you don't see the full amount. Yeah you could do the calculations and look it up on actual size but its definitely misleading.
apps space in one plus one
Can you please confirm how much space is reserved for apps? Or the entire storage less android system can be used please? Thanks and regards
Pre-req:
-Root
-some type of editor, if you are using root explorer it will have it own editor
-Decent knowledge of android file system
so in an attempt to fix this multitasking/Ram issue that is plaguing Samsung devices. I have come up with a fix for our devices (with the help of @mikeyinid)
1. open up root explorer
2.Navigate to /system
3.open up build.prop (keep in mind the file permission of the file, after you done editing you will have to change the file permision back rw-r-r)
4. paste in the following line at the bottom of your build.prop
ro.config.fha_enable=true
ro.sys.fw.use_trim_settings=true
ro.sys.fw.empty_app_percent=50
ro.sys.fw.trim_empty_percent=100
ro.sys.fw.trim_cache_percent=100
ro.sys.fw.bservice_enable=true
ro.sys.fw.bservice_limit=5
ro.sys.fw.bservice_age=5000
ro.sys.fw.trim_enable_memory=2147483648
2147483648 is the ammount of ram in bytes. so in this case 2gig
Check for the following
ro.config.dha_cached_max=
ro.config.dha_empty_max=
ro.config.dha_th_rate=
ro.config.dha_lmk_scale=
and delete them. I dont think it would be in there since 5.1.1 utilized FHA instead of DHA
5. edit the following line
dalvik.vm.heapstartsize=8m
dalvik.vm.heapgrowthlimit=256m
dalvik.vm.heapsize=512m
dalvik.vm.heaptargetutilization=0.50
dalvik.vm.heapminfree=4m
dalvik.vm.heapmaxfree=16m
ro.hwui.texture_cache_size=72
ro.hwui.layer_cache_size=48
ro.hwui.r_buffer_cache_size=8
ro.hwui.path_cache_size=32
ro.hwui.gradient_cache_size=1
ro.hwui.drop_shadow_cache_size=6
ro.hwui.text_small_cache_width=1024
ro.hwui.text_small_cache_height=1024
ro.hwui.text_large_cache_width=2048
ro.hwui.text_large_cache_height=2048
save and make sure to check permission reboot....follow up, let me know.
so far so good for me .
Thank you for this! I'm sure this information will spread fast.
With that said, I'm curious about something. With Samsung, in their infinite wisdom, this highly controversial issue could've been easily prevented with simple build.prop edits. But why didn't they do so? Why do you think they didn't follow through with this before launching the device? Could it be that "further" utilization of memory wouldn't have yielded them the battery life that it comes with, stock? Heck, I dunno. I'm gonna definitely try this though.
Thanks again!
Nihonno said:
Thank you for this! I'm sure this information will spread fast.
With that said, I'm curious about something. With Samsung, in their infinite wisdom, this highly controversial issue could've been easily prevented with simple build.prop edits. But why didn't they do so? Why do you think they didn't follow through with this before launching the device? Could it be that "further" utilization of memory wouldn't have yielded them the battery life that it comes with, stock? Heck, I dunno. I'm gonna definitely try this though.
Thanks again!
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That's exactly why people are saying they are doing it for. For battery life
IMO, the reason Samsung doesn't make these simple changes is because doing so causes the device to slow and become laggy over time. So they're killing apps very aggressively to (in theory) keep the device running smooth. Anyone coming from the S6 will know that even with Samsungs default memory settings the device can still become slow and unuseable over time. So it's a tradeoff. I persoanlly prefer the multi tasking with a reboot or two a day over killing apps and having to reload every time you switch to an app. Also @ OP, the value you set for the trim setting, 2gb or whatever. What did you find that made you come to that value?
mikeyinid said:
IMO, the reason Samsung doesn't make these simple changes is because doing so causes the device to slow and become laggy over time. So they're killing apps very aggressively to (in theory) keep the device running smooth. Anyone coming from the S6 will know that even with Samsungs default memory settings the device can still become slow and unuseable over time. So it's a tradeoff. I persoanlly prefer the multi tasking with a reboot or two a day over killing apps and having to reload every time you switch to an app. Also @ OP, the value you set for the trim setting, 2gb or whatever. What did you find that made you come to that value?
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Something is wrong if it needs to aggressively kill apps like it does to keep from lagging and needing a reboot. I mean android should be scrapping the earliest used applications from the ram as the ram is needed. Unused ram should have no affect on the system itself. You could have a badly coded app using a portion of ram but still bog the system down.
Having to restart once a day is going backwards to blackberry days when it was damn near in the manual to restart once a day.
I can see the savings in battery in regards to less cycles of the cpu when you aren't starting apps fresh everytime you want to run it
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pcriz said:
Something is wrong if it needs to aggressively kill apps like it does to keep from lagging and needing a reboot. I mean android should be scrapping the earliest used applications from the ram as the ram is needed. Unused ram should have no affect on the system itself. You could have a badly coded app using a portion of ram but still bog the system down.
Having to restart once a day is going backwards to blackberry days when it was damn near in the manual to restart once a day.
I can see the savings in battery in regards to less cycles of the cpu when you aren't starting apps fresh everytime you want to run it
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The problem is Samsung is using DHA/FHA rather than Google's LMK. We know very little about the way Samsung is managing memory. From my observations, the device becomes slow/laggy when the swap gets full. Since Samsung is the only one still using swap that is another issue all by itself. Making swap larger than 1.4 GB does seem to extend the length of time it takes for the device to start lagging but it doesn't fix it. Getting rid of swap altogether creates a whole bunch of other issues. It's really been a nightmare trying to figure things out regarding memory management on these arm64 devices.
mikeyinid said:
IMO, the reason Samsung doesn't make these simple changes is because doing so causes the device to slow and become laggy over time. So they're killing apps very aggressively to (in theory) keep the device running smooth. Anyone coming from the S6 will know that even with Samsungs default memory settings the device can still become slow and unuseable over time. So it's a tradeoff. I persoanlly prefer the multi tasking with a reboot or two a day over killing apps and having to reload every time you switch to an app. Also @ OP, the value you set for the trim setting, 2gb or whatever. What did you find that made you come to that value?
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I was googling around and find that it was implemented in other phone, and one of the number was a weird 10xxxxxxx number, so I google that number and it equates to 1gig so I take it as 1 gig of ram in bytes. Since note5 have 4 gig of ram I decided to put 2gig there, basically I'm shooting in the dark and hope that it works, so far its good, no random closure or reboot.
Nihonno said:
Thank you for this! I'm sure this information will spread fast.
With that said, I'm curious about something. With Samsung, in their infinite wisdom, this highly controversial issue could've been easily prevented with simple build.prop edits. But why didn't they do so? Why do you think they didn't follow through with this before launching the device? Could it be that "further" utilization of memory wouldn't have yielded them the battery life that it comes with, stock? Heck, I dunno. I'm gonna definitely try this though.
Thanks again!
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well there are many reason why they implement this way. I think its because they are trying to maximize battery life, so if a phone screen is off, it means that the user are not using it so it force the app to shut down quicker, making the cpu going into deep sleep quicker therefore save battery life. It also suppose to make the phone seems quicker because its not being bother by unused process and ram.
TBH its a good implementation, regular user wont know a difference. I feel the issue is being pressed because XDA is full of nerds and they want their phone to be equally as good as a regular Ubuntu desktop, why does one need to multitask 10-12 apps on a phone? doesn't make sense to me.
Chord_Hugo87 said:
I was googling around and find that it was implemented in other phone, and one of the number was a weird 10xxxxxxx number, so I google that number and it equates to 1gig so I take it as 1 gig of ram in bytes. Since note5 have 4 gig of ram I decided to put 2gig there, basically I'm shooting in the dark and hope that it works, so far its good, no random closure or reboot.
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Lets take a step back. Try this line by itself:
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ro.config.fha_enable=true
Also, from a root shell in terminal run:
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cat /proc/meminfo
Paste the output here please.
mikeyinid said:
Lets take a step back. Try this line by itself:
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ro.config.fha_enable=true
Also, from a root shell in terminal run:
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cat /proc/meminfo
Paste the output here please.
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I'll try it this afternoon, at work right now.
mikeyinid said:
Lets take a step back. Try this line by itself:
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ro.config.fha_enable=true
Also, from a root shell in terminal run:
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cat /proc/meminfo
Paste the output here please.
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So are you saying ignore everything in the op and change/input that line instead and share results? Everyone or just the guy you are replying to?
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pcriz said:
So are you saying ignore everything in the op and change/input that line instead and share results? Everyone or just the guy you are replying to?
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just to me. He wanted to see if those line are actually being utilized.
try mine, I already got one positive result on the international board. its not going to hurt your Note 5 just be smart, make a copy of your build.prop.
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So are you saying ignore everything in the op and change/input that line instead and share results? Everyone or just the guy you are replying to?
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Chord_Hugo87 said:
just to me. He wanted to see if those line are actually being utilized.
try mine, I already got one positive result on the international board. its not going to hurt your Note 5 just be smart, make a copy of your build.prop.
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Actually, I was saying to try the single line as I'm finding the others aren't necessary. I am also curious how big your swap partition is since you guys have 4gb RAM as opposed to our (S6) 3gb RAM.
Chord_Hugo87 said:
just to me. He wanted to see if those line are actually being utilized.
try mine, I already got one positive result on the international board. its not going to hurt your Note 5 just be smart, make a copy of your build.prop.
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Actually, I was saying to try the single line as I'm finding the others aren't necessary. I am also curious how big your swap partition is since you guys have 4gb RAM as opposed to our (S6) 3gb RAM.
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I'll give the single line a run first. Once I get home I will take the path from the op.
I used to run these back on my Note 4 but since there was a lot of questions early on in regards to if they were actually benefitting the Tmo variant I kind of let it slip to the way side..
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mikeyinid said:
Actually, I was saying to try the single line as I'm finding the others aren't necessary. I am also curious how big your swap partition is since you guys have 4gb RAM as opposed to our (S6) 3gb RAM.
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[email protected]:/ $ export PATH=/data/local/bin:$PATH
[email protected]:/ $ su -
[email protected]:/ # cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 3774240 kB
MemFree: 76840 kB
Buffers: 23168 kB
Cached: 1669628 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 1091312 kB
Inactive: 1636256 kB
Active(anon): 682412 kB
Inactive(anon): 361952 kB
Active(file): 408900 kB
Inactive(file): 1274304 kB
Unevictable: 8440 kB
Mlocked: 0 kB
SwapTotal: 1310716 kB
SwapFree: 1310716 kB
Dirty: 8 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 1043252 kB
Mapped: 502128 kB
Shmem: 1152 kB
Slab: 105228 kB
SReclaimable: 35888 kB
SUnreclaim: 69340 kB
KernelStack: 40880 kB
PageTables: 47476 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 3197836 kB
Committed_AS: 117508580 kB
VmallocTotal: 251658176 kB
VmallocUsed: 289752 kB
VmallocChunk: 247561600 kB
[email protected]:/ #
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pcriz said:
I'll give the single line a run first. Once I get home I will take the path from the op.
I used to run these back on my Note 4 but since there was a lot of questions early on in regards to if they were actually benefitting the Tmo variant I kind of let it slip to the way side..
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Hmm. It's interesting Samsung went with the same size swap Note5 despite the device having more ram. Also, had you just reboot when you ran that?
mikeyinid said:
Hmm. It's interesting Samsung went with the same size swap Note5 despite the device having more ram. Also, had you just reboot when you ran that?
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Added the line and then performed a reboot, so Yes
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pcriz said:
Added the line and then performed a reboot, so Yes
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this is before the build.prop stuff?
Is anyone seeing improvements?
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personally i think that the guys testing this should and it should not be for the guys who dont know they way around the system well enough so they can recover with ease.
BACARDILIMON said:
personally i think that the guys testing this should and it should not be for the guys who dont know they way around the system well enough so they can recover with ease.
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lol I did wrote that in the pre-req