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Cyanogens Current State!

The current state..
The last few days have been difficult. What has become clear now is that the Android Open Source Project is a framework. It’s licensed in such a way so that anyone can take it, modify it to their needs, and redistribute it as they please. Android belongs to everyone. This also means that big companies likes Google, HTC, Motorola, and whomever else can add their own pieces to it and share these pieces under whatever license they choose.
I’ve made lots of changes myself to the AOSP code, and added in code from lots of others. Building a better Droid, right?
The issue that’s raised is the redistribution of Google’s proprietary applications like Maps, GTalk, Market, and YouTube. These are not part of the open source project and are only part of “Google Experience” devices. They are Google’s intellectual property and I intend to respect that. I will no longer be distributing these applications as part of CyanogenMod. But it’s OK. None of the go-fast stuff that I do involves any of this stuff anyway. We need these applications though, because we all rely so heavily on their functionality. I’d love for Google to hand over the keys to the kingdom and let us all have it for free, but that’s not going to happen. And who can blame them?
There are lots of things we can do as end-users and modders, though, without violating anyones rights. Most importantly, we are entitled to back up our software. Since I don’t work with any of these closed source applications directly, what I intend to do is simply ship the next version of CyanogenMod as a “bare bones” ROM. You’ll be able to make calls, MMS, take photos, etc. In order to get our beloved Google sync and applications back, you’ll need to make a backup first. I’m working on an application that will do this for you.
The idea is that you’ll be able to Google-ify your CyanogenMod installation, with the applications and files that shipped on YOUR device already. Or, you can just use the basic ROM if you want. It will be perfectly functional if you don’t use the Google parts. I will include an alternative app store (SlideMe, or AndAppStore, not decided yet) with the basic ROM so that you can get your applications in case you don’t have a Google Experience device.
I’ll have more updates soon as I get all the code hammered out.
Thanks for all the support thru all of this.
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/the-current-state

The stuff Dreams are really made of....
I knew! Where there's a will there's a way! You can't keep a real boss down! Cyanogen I look forward to playing with this new stuff in the works. Rage on brother rage on, I for one honestly didn't want to leave android really, but I will continue to research back-up plans in case Google has anymore monkey wrenches laying around itching to be thrown...Good luck Cyanogen. We all owe you donations...real recognizes real! Dueces

This is great news Thank you!

fkn awesome!

this exactly what i thought and hoped would happen. everyone got in a tizy over nothing. so we have to back up before we flash which is just another way that the basic moder like myself can better understand the phone.

Does this means we need to wipe every time we flash a new rom?

tomvleeuwen said:
What do you guys think of sharing the 4.0.4 version over p2p networks?
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Everyone already has it.

Great
This sounds good, there is more than one way to skin a cat. I think they got upset when the new market app was released before they could get it out. They had to do something, but I think it will die down.

don't go there
tomvleeuwen said:
What do you guys think of sharing the 4.0.4 version over p2p networks?
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Cyanogen is doing his best to respect Google's legitimate copyrights, so suggesting that XDA get involved in distributing proprietary applications without a license only serves to undermine what is going on here. Mods: please remove.

ei8htohms said:
Cyanogen is doing his best to respect Google's legitimate copyrights, so suggesting that XDA get involved in distributing proprietary applications without a license only serves to undermine what is going on here. Mods: please remove.
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I posted this in another thread but it would seem to be pertinent to here too:
Loccy said:
Let's face it, strictly speaking, all ROMs are warez.
Personally I'm surprised that it wasn't the Hero devs who got into trouble first, but this was all just a matter of time. I never understood the bizarre fixation that cropped up recently with QuickOffice and everyone going "omfg it's warez can't include it in romz!!!111!1one!". Why QuickOffice and not, say HTC_IME, or Work Email, or any number of other binary blobs that ROM cookers include as a matter of course now that have been "acquired" from non-orthodox source?
The Hero ROMs, let's face it, give people a means of "turning" their old phone into the latest and greatest HTC device. Each stable Hero ROM on the Dream/Magic potentially means a Hero device purchase lost. HTC are being far more hit in the pocket than Google are here - which is why I'm surprised the cease and desist wasn't directed at them.
I do think, however, this site and the people who run it are going to have to pick a side at some point. Either the position is "this is a site for developers, and as long as copyrighted material is not hosted on here in a fashion that would make us liable*, we will not suppress the work of individual devs". Or, their position is "no copyrighted material in any form, be that in the form to links to offsite storage repositories (eg. Rapidshare), or any other method". XDA doesn't *need* to do this in order to ensure the site does not get into legal hot water. I suspect they *might* do it, however, as some kind of misguided moral stance (and in my view the QuickOffice preoccupation was an example of just this). But in my opinion if they choose the latter then XDA is over as a site for realistic Android ROM development (and indeed, Windows Mobile and other OSes, if they apply the same standards across all their boards).
* elaborating on what I mean here - if people attach zips directly to their posts, and those zips are stored on the XDA servers, then XDA as a site is potentially liable. Alternatively, if instead people give a URL or a search string whereby people can find a ROM, but those files are not physically stored on XDA, they are not - any more than Google is liable for the many copyrighted MP3s you can find links to via their search engine.
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The bottom line is that if ROM devs decided they were going to respect ALL legitimate copyrights, there'd be no Hero ROMs, no Windows Mobile ROMs, in fact no ROMs apart from barebones AOSP ROMs which do less than a stock ROM.
ei8htohms said:
Mods: please remove.
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And I'm sorry, that's just ignorant. Just because you don't agree with a sentiment doesn't entitle you to demand the mods remove it. If the mods want to remove it they will (and in my view that would indicate which "side" they were choosing.) Personally, I don't know what it's like elsewhere around the world, but here in the UK one is at least allowed to speak freely, if not necessarily act freely.

kudos to cyanogen!

Loccy said:
If the mods want to remove it they will (and in my view that would indicate which "side" they were choosing.) Personally, I don't know what it's like elsewhere around the world, but here in the UK one is at least allowed to speak freely, if not necessarily act freely.
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I think common U.S. practice is: if you speak freely, you get called names by people until you either cry or shoot them, thus proving to everyone that your original point is invalid.
But XDA has always had a policy of "if it doesn't get the site admins in trouble, it's probably ok." If memory serves, the site is in the Netherlands, and is subject to EU laws as to copyright, etc. I think that's important to remember when it comes to such things, since the EU laws as to intellectual property are in flux and not quite the same as those in the US or UK.
But the official policy is available in one of the toplevel forums here:
Flar said:
Hi Everybody,
We noticed that there is some confusion when it comes to posting sensitive material on xda-developers.com and mostly about what can and can't be posted.
We would like to clarify our point of view through this post.
Since the start of xda-developers this has always been a site that once in while has some sensitive material online, through the years this site has grown so big it's no longer possible to check every file on our servers or every post on the board, we also feel it wouldn't benefit the community if we did.
However with increased popularity comes an increased amount of legal complaints when sensitive material is found on our servers. Which is the reason why we have been more careful lately. Recently some sensitive material has shown up on the servers and we received legal complaints from companies who have the copyrights for this material, although we all feel this is very interesting and valuable material we cannot risk the future of xda-developers by ignoring the legal requests we receive, therefore this material has been taken offline.
We understand that maintaining the balance between legal and illegal is sometimes confusing and/or difficult but that is unfortunately how it works.
When it comes to posting sensitive material there are a couple suggestions we can make:
- if possible do not post the files on the xda-developers servers.
- use your common sense (if you feel something might not be legal it probably isn't).
- always keep in mind when posting software of any kind, that we will take it offline if there is a legal complaint from the copyright owner.
Warez is in no way accepted and will be removed upon discovery.
I hope this post will serve as a clear and valuable guideline.
Greetz,
Flar
Site admin.
P.s. When you have any questions you can always contact me or one of the moderators.
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Everyone has an opinion, and they have, or should have, the right to decide for themselves what is correct. I am on the side of Cyanogen. I do not think what he did caused any harm or loss of revenue to anyone. We can not always have our way though, and I think that's the case here. I don't know him, but I do think he's smart enough to keep doing what he is EXTREMELY good at without putting himself in a bad position. It's just a stumbling block to get past. We are puting a lot of effort into pointing fingers and throwing around ideas, but if we placed this much energy into finding a fuctional solution, we might get past it a whole buch faster. A good army fights the war, not the battle.

Warez is in no way accepted and will be removed upon discovery.
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But every single ROM on here is warez to some extent or another! Certainly (just for example, I'm not picking on anyone specific here) Drizzy doesn't own the IPR for the contents of his Hero ROMs. I'm pretty sure the WinMo ROMs aren't being posted by Microsoft. If the policy is that "warez is in no way accepted and will be removed upon discovery", they're not doing much of a job, are they - every other post is "warez", if you take a strict interpretation.
I suppose I'm saying that "warez is in the eye of the beholder". I fully endorse the attitude "if it doesn't get the site admins in trouble, it's probably ok" - but I can't help thinking that relaxed attitude has been firmed up of late for whatever reason, given the QuickOffice oddness. I'm pretty sure no-one who own the IPR for QuickOffice was ever in touch (although do correct me if I'm wrong), so why the odd fixation recently?
Bottom line: stick to the attitudes and approaches that have made this site what it is, please don't start getting over zealous when there's no reason to.

Honestly did this need another topic though? I mean I'm all for good news like this, but add it on to one of the many topics that are out there. -.- (ready for flaming)

easy now
Loccy said:
The bottom line is that if ROM devs decided they were going to respect ALL legitimate copyrights, there'd be no Hero ROMs, no Windows Mobile ROMs, in fact no ROMs apart from barebones AOSP ROMs which do less than a stock ROM.
And I'm sorry, that's just ignorant. Just because you don't agree with a sentiment doesn't entitle you to demand the mods remove it. If the mods want to remove it they will (and in my view that would indicate which "side" they were choosing.) Personally, I don't know what it's like elsewhere around the world, but here in the UK one is at least allowed to speak freely, if not necessarily act freely.
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First off, I'm not demanding anything. I politely requested that the mods remove a suggestion that clearly seeks to circumvent the policies of XDA: We won't distribute warez. The poster knew the suggestion was specifically aimed at getting around the XDA policy, otherwise there would be no reason for a P2P distribution alternative in the first place.
A key component of intellectual property and copyright laws (at least in the US) is that the holder of the copyright must act to defend the copyright to some reasonable extent (no, I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what this entails exactly). Now that Google has acted to defend their copyrights in these instances, the line is clear. Google apps are paid apps (licensed to the handset manufacturers or service providers) and are not free to distribute without a license. Consequently, there shouldn't be much further debate about the fact that these are warez and are not to be distributed on or through XDA.
I'm not trying to attack anyone (the original poster, ROM devs or certainly yourself), but I am interested in XDA maintaining the high ground here and continuing to operate in a respectful and respectable manner.

Perhaps we should stay on topic?

te5ter said:
Perhaps we should stay on topic?
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Fair point. Maybe we should take the "warez is in the eye of the beholder" debate to this thread. I do actually think it's a fascinating debate, personally. Oh, incidentally, just re-read my earlier post, and want to apologise to ei8htohms - I didn't mean to come off quite so brusque.

First, I'm very happy that there seems to be a workaround that Cyanogen feels comfortable in using.
However, I see it as a band-aid to a much larger problem. Yes, it addresses those few apps that Google specifically mentioned. But there seems to be potential future conflicts that could adversely affect this whole Android community.
What about all the other apps in there? The Camera/Camcorder/Gallery app for instance. The UI? Other HTC bits? And the biggie, the Search component? Does Google also lay claim to unified search, the widget, the particular framework involved in that?
I don't know the answer to that, I'm just asking. So much is left unanswered, I just feel this is only the beginning. For now, I guess it may be enough. But it still leaves so much up in the air.
Now the 2nd major issue: Cyanogen should be commended for taking the high road here and doing his best to adhere to Google's current request. I think we all know that there was never ever any question that no one saw this coming. It came from left field and shocked everyone beyond belief.
But will other rom devs be as diligent as Cyanogen? Will theme developers adhere to this? And with all of these added steps required to get a functioning "Google Experience", consider the flood of newbie questions this forum is about to endure. We all thought "brick" and "hardspl" questions were tedious at best ... prepare yourselves for the onslought of mass confusion. That fun has just begun.
I still believe the burden lies with Google to make this right. I'm not saying they should make their apps open source by any means. I'm just saying that there must be a way for Google to allow the inclusion of their apps (perhaps a different license or maybe some encryption trick that protects the apps from modification <I don't know, I'm not that smart>). Google needs to step up to the plate in this. They also need to save-face and stifle this PR nightmare. Android does not need this, Google does not need this, HTC does not need this, carriers do not need this, Cyanogen does not need this, and users do not need this. Growth of the entire Android project is simply too important. I see this as speed bump. They just made the bump too big and it needs to be shaved down some so everyone can get it over without damaging anything else.

this is great news indeed. can't wait to see what is to come!

Exclusive: Someone Is Getting All Your Data And We Know How To Stop Them!

Well well well we just found out all your data is going to an Amazon server if you updated to the new 2.3.4 EVO and Sensation users. How long you use an app, What app you are using, The fact that you are rooted, the location you are using it from etc etc (without QIC) is being uploaded to an Amazon server un-encrypted. How's that for security? However thanks to Synergy team developer TrevE users of Synergy and the upcoming Eternity ROM from Virus will be secure against this obvious infringement of your privacy. What is HTC up to? And furthermore what other manufacturers are using similar methods? One thing Trev pointed out was your warranty can be voided immediately. They know you are rooted! The repercussions of this are astounding and frankly I am proud to be breaking this story with all of the work I have done here recently speaking out when I find are data being wrongly horded and used in nefarious ways. Kudos to TrevE and Virus for showing me this and helping the community find a way to put a stop to it. This is an ongoing game people and it is the aftermarket guys like Team Synergy and even journalist like myself who are a pretty good line of defense when crap like this comes up. They have your IMEI they know your location from the cell towers in hex and they know you are rooted. The best way to defend yourself is by rooting and flashing these guys ROMS period and that's a win win. Top of the line performance and defense against heinous invasion of your privacy.
for technical details including the nefarious code you can go HERE. The user behavior logs and other info are right in the thread of our sister site InfectedROM.com
The Synergy team and Revolution for the win... oh and when your using Synergy ROM and Eternity ROM this is what HTC will see..... Beat By Team Synergy. Jokes on them. I'm certainly laughing.
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Someone pointed this out to me so I thought I'd share it with you all.
Link to article

The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.

persiansown said:
The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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I dont think so...I am curious to know also....What are they doing with this data that they have NOT asked us to collect.

I think the op is going way overboard assuming these STATISTICS are being used " nefariously " sure, point it out, bit don't start throwing out accusations without evidence that harmful acts are being perpetrated and scaring the community into a state of paranoia.

I think the OP just copied and pasted the article, so no need to blame him.
And yea, the way the article is written just makes it seem like a rant and not very credible...

dear Op,
please tell us about the services activated under account and sync. then disabled them all and see, how like magic that traffic then is gone...

LOL. This is really written in such a sensational way that it's pretty funny that I really am fifty fifty believing this post. It's like the posts on the web that mention gain six pack ABS in six weeks no exercise. Ah well. Good thing I'm rooted and failed the update.
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OK, I'm calling BS, or at the very least calling it inaccurate. If you look up those IPs, they belong to amazonaws.com. If you look this up, you get Amazon Web Services. It's basically a bunch of cloud/database services they offer, for people and other companies to utilize. So while it may go to an Amazon server, it is most likely not actually going to Amazon. It is still just HTC, nothing different, just a different server. Also, WHO THE HELL CARES? It's not like it is constantly sending this data all the time. In fact, I'd be willing to bet this only gets sent when you actually submit one of those 'Tell HTC' forms that show up sometimes.

Well, one more spying us is not a problem

What an interesting post. Is there any kind of independent watchdog group who goes over all the code in these roms to see what is actually going on? I assume it's all open source, so they can't really hide what they're doing. How it works in the real world, however, I don't know.

"Exclusive: Someone Is Getting All Your Data And We Know How To Stop Them!"
Really?
This is an internet forum, not a tabloid newspaper/self-help magazine.

sound like to me that you just want people to download and use your rom. because if you knew a way to stop this why not post the fix ,no instead you want us to use your rom go suck and egg.bs

Now I get it...
Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?

z3r0d3vil said:
Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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you my good sir... are exactly what we need around here hahaha hilarious

Can they even do that as in htc? Isnt it like trespassing other people privacy?
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MxFadzil92 said:
Can they even do that as in htc? Isnt it like trespassing other people privacy?
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Apparently they can, take a look in setting > about phone > legal information > HTC legal, its all there..
HTC Swyped from my Sensation using XDA Premium

*damo* said:
Apparently they can, take a look in setting > about phone > legal information > HTC legal, its all there..
HTC Swyped from my Sensation using XDA Premium
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well that is one clever move made by htc. -.- wthell man. no privacy !!! anyway thanks for the info though... cant believe that they did this kind of thing to their customer.

persiansown said:
The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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The article is not questioning Amazon but HTC. And its a fact so FUD spreading I think not

Setting the Record Straight.
For the record I would never post anything that I wrote here on XDA i'm not responsible for the post. To the people who were interested in the information imparted in said post. Glad it helped. To the folks who think it's FUD. Too bad. To the folks who think I write a tabloid... well thats for the people reading it to decide. To the folks who think the fix isn't in the piece. Get your reading glasses. Oh and to the folks who don't like the fact that I promoted the developers who created the fix and think Synergy is a crappy ROM take that up with the developer of said ROMs. Thanks a million and have a blessed day.

daman215 said:
sound like to me that you just want people to download and use your rom. because if you knew a way to stop this why not post the fix ,no instead you want us to use your rom go suck and egg.bs
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z3r0d3vil said:
Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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I don't necessarily believe it either but I wonder if you guys even clicked on the link because there's actually a bunch of source there, and explanations of what happens when you delete certain files that are harvesting info, and the source code that was used to "defeat" the info harvesting behaviors. I think this is interesting at the very least, if not true even if it was definitely presented in a sensational way.
I don't particularly care WHERE the data is going, I want to know WHY it's being collected in the first place, especially if it is not vital to the functioning of our mobile devices, which it seems pretty clear to all of us, it isn't. Even if YOU don't care about your info and data being harvested by google, some of us do and many of us find it very disconcerting.
Also, a guy with 14 posts trolling and asking where "XDA is heading" am I the only one that appreciates how ridiculous that is?

Should Google censor searches for "app name" apk?

Google has a history of censoring some searches. You can read about it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google#Censorship
They could easily make any search containing the term "apk" come up with zero results.
Yet they allow searching for paid apks this way.
Should they?

Google shouldn't censor anything. First comes apk's, next torrents, and then sites which Google doesn't like.
It's the matter of people mentality if they pay for apps or not, not the matter of censoring something.

Censorship is never the right answer.
"Give an inch, take a mile"

Every search site censors based on your search history even politics can be one sided when you search for something I forgot exactly how they do it but g4 did a story on it awhile back
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Bierce22 said:
Every search site censors based on your search history even politics can be one sided when you search for something I forgot exactly how they do it but g4 did a story on it awhile back
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Yeah, it's also some kind of censorship.
It's based on complicated as hell algorithm connected with cookies system, even what you click on googleAds is influenting your search results order, but doesn't censor anything. Hopefully...

Rebellos said:
Google shouldn't censor anything. First comes apk's, next torrents, and then sites which Google doesn't like.
It's the matter of people mentality if they pay for apps or not, not the matter of censoring something.
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This is how I feel. I was hoping to get more responses before revealing that. I originally posted this in general discussion hoping to get a million responses. Sadly it got moved to this forum which seems to be mostly used for technical questions.

Well then your an idiot and a troll
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Google's just a search-engine. I don't want it to choose what I WANT to see and what I DON'T want to see. I think the same mindset applies to every other user. I doubt if this will help any user at all, except their own goal.
Now, what they should censor (or block) are the content farms spamming my Google search results. I'll be more than happy to let you choose that.

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For trying to start an epic discussion? You are in violation of xda rules. No insulting posts.

I think Google should do whatever it wants, and the market can react accordingly. I stopped using google several months ago for this reason. Try DuckDuckGo.

Wares???

I don't think I am firmly grasping the concept of what wares is because I received an infraction for posting wares, when it clearly was not!
I have been pm'ing a senior moderator and he feels other wise. Moderator stated that the link I posted was in fact warez. It was a link for PlayStation 1 roms at freeroms.com.
All roms are free, and thats a fact! You can go to emupatadise.me and get free roms. just like all of the other roms sites.
So, can someone explain how this was wares?
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You're getting something for free, where the company SELLS the stuff.

Lets take the mupen64(N64) emulator for example. In the market, it states, "THIS APP DOES NOT COME WITH ROMS. 99¢ IS FOR DONATIONS ONLY. This app is free to download on my website(I left the link out)." No royalties are going to Nintendo. Who are the makers and founders of the "Nintendo" 64. Its open source. As well as the roms/iso's. As long as you own the game(s), it is not illegal.
So would these emulators in the market that are not kicking back royalties to the makers be considered piracy? No sir.
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You realize though, by giving away those ROMs you're taking money that nintendo could of had by people buying them.
It's illegal to download ROMs unless you have a physical copy of the game.

Was this seriously asked?
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Dear OP,
On XDA there is a set of rules that state no wares or piracy material should be posted, linked to or mentioned so that no one is insulted, sued or damaged in any way. Your post was neglected from XDA because it COULD lead to piracy. A ROM file is clearly a copy of an original product that was at one point in time sold and profited from by the producer, but since these files are available freely then they can be downloaded by anyone with internet access and therefore if Joe Blow happens to Google "rom Nintendo 64 game blah blah blah" then XDA can pop up as a result and your post shows up. All this connects XDA with the downloading of ROM images that can be illegal depending on the person downloading such file. So my point is, it doesn't matter if its illegal or not to post a link, it matter if the outcome of posting that link on this forum (were technically we are already going against some sort of guideline aka: custom ROMS, hacks ect.) will inflict on the equilibrium of such. Your post was not harmful, but really who owns a hardware copy of every Nintendo or Playstation game that is available for download on those sites?
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missaellpzchvz said:
Dear OP,
On XDA there is a set of rules that state no wares or piracy material should be posted, linked to or mentioned so that no one is insulted, sued or damaged in any way. Your post was neglected from XDA because it COULD lead to piracy. A ROM file is clearly a copy of an original product that was at one point in time sold and profited from by the producer, but since these files are available freely then they can be downloaded by anyone with internet access and therefore if Joe Blow happens to Google "rom Nintendo 64 game blah blah blah" then XDA can pop up as a result and your post shows up. All this connects XDA with the downloading of ROM images that can be illegal depending on the person downloading such file. So my point is, it doesn't matter if its illegal or not to post a link, it matter if the outcome of posting that link on this forum (were technically we are already going against some sort of guideline aka: custom ROMS, hacks ect.) will inflict on the equilibrium of such. Your post was not harmful, but really who owns a hardware copy of every Nintendo or Playstation game that is available for download on those sites?
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All of these phone ROMs and hacks are open source and as long as you respect the GPL and provide the source you used you are not breaking any guidelines.
But yes, emulator ROMs are not allowed here.

IRASadPanda said:
All of these phone ROMs and hacks are open source and as long as you respect the GPL and provide the source you used you are not breaking any guidelines.
But yes, emulator ROMs are not allowed here.
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Correct. Just trying to make a point. don't get the panda mad...
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missaellpzchvz said:
Correct. Just trying to make a point. don't get the panda mad...
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Haha, I won't get mad as long as there is nothing for me to get mad at
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What is the best Parental Control app?

(this is not a commercial thread)
I'm a father of two and they have been using the net since young age as I think the sooner they would understand the dangers and the positives it would be better than delaying the inevitable.
The backslash was that the oldest gain too much knowleged and has been online not behaving well.
I've surf around the XDA and Google and have not found an actual Android app that is cost effective and actually reliable enought to allow them to continue without supervision of all what they do.
Any suggestions out there, even from the more "dark side" ?
What I've found so far and a few comments on my opinion:
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I tend to go to the highstermobi app but not sure if there could be a better app with the missing features this one has.
Any comments or additional suggestions are so welcome!

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I know you stated
(this is not a commercial thread)
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but it looks like it

xanthrax said:
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I know you stated
but it looks like it
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I understand, that is why I posted saying non commercial, how to you suggest me to make this question?
I definitely have no affiliation with any of this companies and actually I'm looking for something other than this as these do not fullfill my goal.
I can erase the reference to all apps. I wanted to avoid members to say "I did not google or search around".
Thanks for the help!

pauloviegas said:
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I'm a father of two and they have been using the net since young age as I think the sooner they would understand the dangers and the positives it would be better than delaying the inevitable.
The backslash was that the oldest gain too much knowleged and has been online not behaving well.
I've surf around the XDA and Google and have not found an actual Android app that is cost effective and actually reliable enought to allow them to continue without supervision of all what they do.
Any suggestions out there, even from the more "dark side" ?
What I've found so far and a few comments on my opinion:
mod edit - paid services links and descriptions removed
I tend to go to the highstermobi app but not sure if there could be a better app with the missing features this one has.
Any comments or additional suggestions are so welcome!
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Here is the issue that you will face. In many places apps like the ones you want are deemed illegal. Even if installing on your child's device. Might want to look into the laws where you are.
Apps like that are also not allowed to be talked about here so I hate to say it but you won't be finding any help on the matter here.
As a parent of twin teen boys. All I can say is sometimes you have to let them learn things on their own. You can't protect them forever.

pauloviegas said:
I understand, that is why I posted saying non commercial, how to you suggest me to make this question?
I definitely have no affiliation with any of this companies and actually I'm looking for something other than this as these do not fullfill my goal.
I can erase the reference to all apps. I wanted to avoid members to say "I did not google or search around".
Thanks for the help!
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you can discuss about this apps but not linking them as you did with prices as well, are you interested on the price or usability , I would say the last so you can discuss about this. You already have an advice above so you can get feedback without linking them

zelendel said:
Here is the issue that you will face. In many places apps like the ones you want are deemed illegal. Even if installing on your child's device. Might want to look into the laws where you are.
Apps like that are also not allowed to be talked about here so I hate to say it but you won't be finding any help on the matter here.
As a parent of twin teen boys. All I can say is sometimes you have to let them learn things on their own. You can't protect them forever.
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Thanks for the time to reply. You're right on all comments, but one is always afraid, specially because they are pre-teen.
Thanks.

pauloviegas said:
Thanks for the time to reply. You're right on all comments, but one is always afraid, specially because they are pre-teen.
Thanks.
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The one that has gained knowledge from using the Internet would probably circumvent anything you did anyway, in a way, your plan would only fuel his fire to learn more to bypass whatever you do, so in effect, you'd be pushing him the direction you don't want him to go even faster than if you just left it alone. With that particular child, you'd have to completely restrict their access to the internet, which is virtually impossible in today's world.
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The one that has gained knowledge from using the Internet would probably circumvent anything you did anyway, in a way, your plan would only fuel his fire to learn more to bypass whatever you do, so in effect, you'd be pushing him the direction you don't want him to go even faster than if you just left it alone. With that particular child, you'd have to completely restrict their access to the internet, which is virtually impossible in today's world.
DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA PM TO RECEIVE HELP, YOU WILL BE IGNORED. KEEP IT IN THE THREADS WHERE EVERYONE CAN SHARE
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Exactly. Not to mention that with the schools and topics of learning these days. They probably already know how to bypass it. I was amazed the first time I caught my boys sending messages encrypted in their pictures. When I asked where they learned it, they learned it in school. This is when came to understand that there was nothing I could really do about it.
We always want our kids to surpass us. Which they normally do but that comes with some hard pills to swallow as a parent lol.