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Wanted to share my recent experience about efficient combinations of ROMs, kernels, radios. It appears there is a consensus that the combinations you chose is a matter of taste, and all reasonable/compatible ROM - Kernel - radio combos work well. That is not what happened to me. I was moving from BAFM 1.7, imo's lean kernel to BAFM 1.8.6 to get the MR2 radio (and get rid of excessive 4G battery burn bug). Before the move the phone would lose 2% battery overnight -- pretty good in my book. I was surprised that after flashing 1.8.6 I could not get nowhere near that level of efficiency. After unsuccessfully trying a number of combinations, the one that consistently got me back to 2% loss overnight was Adrynalyne's kernel (the one that comes with the ROM) and leaked MR2 radio. Adding either Imo's lean kernel, MR2 OTA radio or both screwed things up, and I could not keep the phone from using less than 1% of battery per hour on idle no matter how much I tried. To me that was a surprise (with the kernel at times it worked well, but then it would start using 10% of CPU constantly without any apps running and I could not stop that save for a reboot).
Needless to say, I was in a testing mode so I wiped each time before re-flashing the ROM, and even limited app installs to a bare minimum to keep things clean, monitored app CPU usage, etc.
SO, maybe there is value to asking about efficient ROM / Kernel / Radio combos that work well! I thought I could just use BAFM 1.8.6, imo's kernel, OTA MR2 radio, but somehow that was a screwy combination, and it took me a week to get things right.
I agree that the combo of ROM/Kernel/Radio does matter a great deal on battery life.
You also have to think, each and every phone is different, so a combo that works for one person, might not be as good for another. This is why when people ask what the best combo is, a lot of people say its what ever works best for you, which is very true.
Hey everyone, i just upgraded to a Nexus S 4G this morning from the ol samsung transform, and i was planning on applying cyanogen but then i messed with the phone a bit, did root and restored a couple of my game apps...it seems to work with very nice speed, only serious issues ive noticed are just with the signal, sensitivity of keyboard, and i havnt had time to see battery life yet..
But i was wondering, since the stock rom is so clean and fast, why are we putting on different roms like cyanogen?
More importantly, as far as kernel, whats the best kernel right now for nexus 4g? im running stock kernel, but naturally and ideally id like even more speed(not sure what id use it for, but always nice), better battery life, and better data signals..
ive been reading about overclocked kernels a little bit and such, so basically im wondering about what you guys would say to all this? should i change rom &/Or kernel? to what? why? does overclocking at 1.4ghz like these kernels say have any negative side effects? things like that.
Thanks for your response!
~ Master Ramy
Master Ramy said:
Hey everyone, i just upgraded to a Nexus S 4G this morning from the ol samsung transform, and i was planning on applying cyanogen but then i messed with the phone a bit, did root and restored a couple of my game apps...it seems to work with very nice speed, only serious issues ive noticed are just with the signal, sensitivity of keyboard, and i havnt had time to see battery life yet..
But i was wondering, since the stock rom is so clean and fast, why are we putting on different roms like cyanogen?
More importantly, as far as kernel, whats the best kernel right now for nexus 4g? im running stock kernel, but naturally and ideally id like even more speed(not sure what id use it for, but always nice), better battery life, and better data signals..
ive been reading about overclocked kernels a little bit and such, so basically im wondering about what you guys would say to all this? should i change rom &/Or kernel? to what? why? does overclocking at 1.4ghz like these kernels say have any negative side effects? things like that.
Thanks for your response!
~ Master Ramy
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There are quite a lot of things that can be changed by flashing a custom ROM. Cyanogen is reported to be more responsive than stock android, and a slight improvement on battery life and performance. Also, with other ROMs like MIUI you can completely change the entire GUI basically. The lockscreen becomes changeable by one click in the themes app. I've also noticed a slight improvement in battery life/performance and responsiveness.
Also, with regards to kernels, they add extra features (like voodoo sound, BLN notifications, UV'ing, OC'ing, etc). Now if you're looking to overclock your CPU AND save on battery life then that is probably not going to happen. If you OC the CPU you'll as a result draw more battery power when it reaches it's peak. Hence why I went with the TEUV88 kernel. This kernel undervolts the CPU yet manages to give me the same performance as the stock kernel. It runs extremely nicely and the battery lasts me about 24-30 hours on moderate usage where as before I was getting around 16.
Hope this helps.
Edit:: note that both undervolting and overclocking can be dangerous for any phone. The kernel developers put their kernels through testing though to ensure they are stable enough for most people (I hope anyways). But be aware that it is possible to damage the hardware be either of these methods.
yeah im looking at more undervolting for battery life cause current performance seems great for me as of this point. but i mean cyanogenmod doesnt change much since its built on gingerbread, its just slightly more customized, but on the actual performance side, it is a slight increase? so whats the best kernel for undervolting and still getting stock performance or more? im guessing its the one u just mentioned? cause i saw a voodoo kernel or something on main dev page and itwas undervolted and OCed to 1.4 i think...idk.
Yeah you might be talking about the matr1x kernel. It ocs to 1.44 and is uved also. Plus has voodoo sound, bln and bld. Some people have issues with cm7 and some don't. I really don't like the look of miui so I can't say for it. But I use decks 1.3d with zero issues and matr1x kernel with zero issues along with heavy use 4+ hrs screen time in over 12hrs. Personally running 1.44 your phone will prolly lock up but I run 1.2 non stop no freezes or lockups or reboots. Try them and see qhich ones fit you and what you like.
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I'm still on stock with mine and honestly, I don't need anything else... i get 12-15 hours of moderate use and i don't really know what lag is because i never experience it with my phone.
The above posters are correct in everyway. I mean it definitely comes down to preference. I was averaging about 13-15h on my stock kernel/rom but my phone would be basically completely dead.
I switched to TEUV88-rammstein2 (Trinity Undervolted rom). It has Voodoo sound, BLN (backlight notification), and with todays update it has touchwake mod. So as you can see my phone lasted 15h (still with 35% battery left) with 3h of screen on, and 45m of audio streaming, and lots of texting.
Check out my post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17108560&postcount=3154
OK, so I know there has been a lot of b*tching about the Tbolt battery life, especially if you are running Gingerbread and a Sense 2.1 or 3.0 ROM (I am running BAMF 3.0 R4.9). I just may have solved this issue when you can connect to a WiFi access point!
Using a program called Tasker, I have created specific profiles that actually help save my battery as well as do a lot of other things to make life easier. The learning curve is somewhat steep for non-Tech geeks, but it's not too difficult after you get the hang of it. (I think the only version of Tasker in the market is pay for use, but you can get a free trial from the Dev's website directly.)
On to how I can get a 22+ hour standard TBolt battery:
1st new profile:
-Called "WiFi"
-Context = WiFi Connected (Any SSID)
-Task = NET>WiFi Sleep>Never
2nd new profile:
-Called "Dim Screen"
-Context = Power Source Any, click "Invert" button (so when the phone is not charging).
-Task = Display>Display Brightness>Set to "20" and check "Immediate Effect" (you can certainly change it to something higher, but you may not get nearly the same battery life).
On WiFi, I can get almost 23 hours of battery. On 4G, I can get upwards of 8 hours, 3G I have yet to test.
Since LTE was just turned on near where I live, I noticed that my TBolt was making WiFi sleep while it sat in my pocket not in use, therefor switching to 4G/LTE and draining the battery. The brightness obviously helps when I am not plugged in no matter if I am 3G/4G/WiFi.
I have some other useful profiles setup. Like I have the phone screen go to Auto Brightness and into the Sense Dock Mode when the phone is charging. My favorite is the Car Dock Profile... when the phone goes into my Car Dock, the Bluetooth turns on, GPS goes on, and Google Music Starts.
I am a big fan of Tasker now... there are a lot of possibilities with the program!
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OK, so I know there has been a lot of b*tching about the Tbolt battery life, especially if you are running Gingerbread and a Sense 2.1 or 3.0 ROM (I am running BAMF 3.0 R4.9). I just may have solved this issue when you can connect to a WiFi access point!
Using a program called Tasker, I have created specific profiles that actually help save my battery as well as do a lot of other things to make life easier. The learning curve is somewhat steep for non-Tech geeks, but it's not too difficult after you get the hang of it. (I think the only version of Tasker in the market is pay for use, but you can get a free trial from the Dev's website directly.)
On to how I can get a 22+ hour standard TBolt battery:
1st new profile:
-Called "WiFi"
-Context = WiFi Connected (Any SSID)
-Task = NET>WiFi Sleep>Never
2nd new profile:
-Called "Dim Screen"
-Context = Power Source Any, click "Invert" button (so when the phone is not charging).
-Task = Display>Display Brightness>Set to "20" and check "Immediate Effect" (you can certainly change it to something higher, but you may not get nearly the same battery life).
On WiFi, I can get almost 23 hours of battery. On 4G, I can get upwards of 8 hours, 3G I have yet to test.
Since LTE was just turned on near where I live, I noticed that my TBolt was making WiFi sleep while it sat in my pocket not in use, therefor switching to 4G/LTE and draining the battery. The brightness obviously helps when I am not plugged in no matter if I am 3G/4G/WiFi.
I have some other useful profiles setup. Like I have the phone screen go to Auto Brightness and into the Sense Dock Mode when the phone is charging. My favorite is the Car Dock Profile... when the phone goes into my Car Dock, the Bluetooth turns on, GPS goes on, and Google Music Starts.
I am a big fan of Tasker now... there are a lot of possibilities with the program!
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I'm gonna say you might want to try a MUCH more modern ROM. I'm having very little trouble eeking 18 hours out of mine under moderate use, and well over a day if I'm not messing with it much. It will typically consume around 1.7% per hour unused, LTE on.
WorldOfJohnboy said:
OK, so I know there has been a lot of b*tching about the Tbolt battery life, especially if you are running Gingerbread and a Sense 2.1 or 3.0 ROM (I am running BAMF 3.0 R4.9). I just may have solved this issue when you can connect to a WiFi access point!
Using a program called Tasker, I have created specific profiles that actually help save my battery as well as do a lot of other things to make life easier. The learning curve is somewhat steep for non-Tech geeks, but it's not too difficult after you get the hang of it. (I think the only version of Tasker in the market is pay for use, but you can get a free trial from the Dev's website directly.)
On to how I can get a 22+ hour standard TBolt battery:
1st new profile:
-Called "WiFi"
-Context = WiFi Connected (Any SSID)
-Task = NET>WiFi Sleep>Never
2nd new profile:
-Called "Dim Screen"
-Context = Power Source Any, click "Invert" button (so when the phone is not charging).
-Task = Display>Display Brightness>Set to "20" and check "Immediate Effect" (you can certainly change it to something higher, but you may not get nearly the same battery life).
On WiFi, I can get almost 23 hours of battery. On 4G, I can get upwards of 8 hours, 3G I have yet to test.
Since LTE was just turned on near where I live, I noticed that my TBolt was making WiFi sleep while it sat in my pocket not in use, therefor switching to 4G/LTE and draining the battery. The brightness obviously helps when I am not plugged in no matter if I am 3G/4G/WiFi.
I have some other useful profiles setup. Like I have the phone screen go to Auto Brightness and into the Sense Dock Mode when the phone is charging. My favorite is the Car Dock Profile... when the phone goes into my Car Dock, the Bluetooth turns on, GPS goes on, and Google Music Starts.
I am a big fan of Tasker now... there are a lot of possibilities with the program!
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how do you get the GPS to enable? I've tried to set up my GPS to come when I open maps, navigation or anything that needs gps enable but I get "sorry that action is unavailable on this device."
Llama also does what Tasker does. And its free. I find that Llama works better too. I can get near 24 hours with everything stock.
loonatik78 said:
I'm gonna say you might want to try a MUCH more modern ROM. I'm having very little trouble eeking 18 hours out of mine under moderate use, and well over a day if I'm not messing with it much. It will typically consume around 1.7% per hour unused, LTE on.
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Modern? The ROM I have is running Gingerbread and is full Sense 3.0 (which appears to be a big battery hog). When I was on a GB Sense 2.1 ROM from the same Dev, I was getting better battery. The only thing that may improve the battery any more on GB/Sense 3.0 would be a new and improved Kernel, though I think I am on one of the more stable ones.
warmonster said:
how do you get the GPS to enable? I've tried to set up my GPS to come when I open maps, navigation or anything that needs gps enable but I get "sorry that action is unavailable on this device."
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You are right, my bad... it throws up a disclaimer that GPS enabling is not available on any 2.3 ROM because of the Pop-up. They suggest using Cyanogen (sp) if you want to use the feature on a 2.3 ROM.
andydumi said:
Llama also does what Tasker does. And its free. I find that Llama works better too. I can get near 24 hours with everything stock.
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Potato, Patahto. I like Tasker and found it really granular once I started playing with it. I don't mind paying for an app that is well Developed and supported. (If you like Llama that much, you should use the donate version to "thank" the Dev team!) The 23hrs is an estimated capacity right now as Battery Left is still calibrating.
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Modern? The ROM I have is running Gingerbread and is full Sense 3.0 (which appears to be a big battery hog). When I was on a GB Sense 2.1 ROM from the same Dev, I was getting better battery. The only thing that may improve the battery any more on GB/Sense 3.0 would be a new and improved Kernel, though I think I am on one of the more stable ones.
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I think he is refering to roms based off the 2.11 leak. battery life in that Ruu is much better than any other previous ruu. Any roms based off it will give you more life by default. The bamf 4.9 Rom is kinda old when your talking about custom roms and it isn't based on the 2.11 ruu.
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Modern? The ROM I have is running Gingerbread and is full Sense 3.0 (which appears to be a big battery hog). When I was on a GB Sense 2.1 ROM from the same Dev, I was getting better battery. The only thing that may improve the battery any more on GB/Sense 3.0 would be a new and improved Kernel, though I think I am on one of the more stable ones.
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You say BAMF 3.0 R4.9 is your ROM. This ROM is old, based upon the 2.01 GB leak (which is about 4 leaks ago), which was terribly flawed in many ways, and isn't even being developed by BAMF anymore. The newer kernels won't even work right on that ROM because aspects of the WiFi and camera have been changed in later leaks.
You're application of Tasker is probably one of the ONLY rational uses of such an app. Using it for such things as turning GPS on and off is pointless, and redundant, because Android already does that as long as you have GPS enabled. Having it enabled doesn't use any power unless you're using apps that abuse it, such as some of the traffic update apps that constantly update your position.
Power management apps aren't quite as useless as task killer apps, but for the purposes I see people use them for, they're not doing you many favors. I'm generally not a fan of these apps and I strongly recommend against task killers because the result of their use simply increases the amount of NAND reads the CPU must make, which is the most power intensive operation that CPU performs.
Newer ROMs, such as the RUU 2.10 and 2.11 based ROMs, are significantly better on battery life than the older ones, especially when used with the radios from the 1.70 OTA, 2.07 RUU, 2.10 RUU, and 2.11 RUU. I'd make the jump to a more modern ROM before I tried manipulating an older one to perform. Or, move up to a newer one and do the same thing and see what you get. In any event, there's good room for improvement.
I tried several ways to conserve battery and finally decided that it just isn't worth it to me to have to stop running game apps, to have to set the phone up a specific way, to carefully monitor what each app does etcetera. I went out Tuesday and bought a extended battery from a Verizon store. With discount I paid $25.00 for the battery and cover. I am now getting right around twenty five hours total battery life off one charge and I have watched videos, played games, played music, and did whatever else I could think of to kill that battery. I am ecstatic with it. Now when I am out overnight mountain climbing with the missus granted I will undoubtedly kill some apps. Wouldn't do to run into BigFoot, Smokey the Bear, and Jason Vorhies with a dead battery and no chocolate bars ( since she for some reason feels I should diet) now would it?
ps. I made sure it had antennaes on the cover. It has more than my original cover does. And the clerk had no clue why i was even asking about the antenaes on the cover
TDubKong said:
I tried several ways to conserve battery and finally decided that it just isn't worth it to me to have to stop running game apps, to have to set the phone up a specific way, to carefully monitor what each app does etcetera. I went out Tuesday and bought a extended battery from a Verizon store. With discount I paid $25.00 for the battery and cover. I am now getting right around twenty five hours total battery life off one charge and I have watched videos, played games, played music, and did whatever else I could think of to kill that battery. I am ecstatic with it. Now when I am out overnight mountain climbing with the missus granted I will undoubtedly kill some apps. Wouldn't do to run into BigFoot, Smokey the Bear, and Jason Vorhies with a dead battery and no chocolate bars ( since she for some reason feels I should diet) now would it?
ps. I made sure it had antennaes on the cover. It has more than my original cover does. And the clerk had no clue why i was even asking about the antenaes on the cover
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Reps are pretty clueless, in general. They're sales people and that's about it. That's what cracks me up when I see these goofy "corporate memos" that supposedly when out to stores with stuff like RUU and radio version numbers on them. Like the geek behind the counter actually knows any of that???
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Reps are pretty clueless, in general. They're sales people and that's about it. That's what cracks me up when I see these goofy "corporate memos" that supposedly when out to stores with stuff like RUU and radio version numbers on them. Like the geek behind the counter actually knows any of that???
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Yea tell me about it. At the Verizon kiosk in Costco I actually argued with the guy because he was spouting off about the Specs on AT&T phones being better than what were on the Thunderbolt. Saying how much better AT&T was and all this stuff. I listened for only a few minutes before I realized he was an imbecile. He was just throwing out things that made him sound like he knew what he was talking about. And yea you read that right. This brain fart of a human being was promoting AT&T from a Verizon kiosk
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Yea tell me about it. At the Verizon kiosk in Costco I actually argued with the guy because he was spouting off about the Specs on AT&T phones being better than what were on the Thunderbolt. Saying how much better AT&T was and all this stuff. I listened for only a few minutes before I realized he was an imbecile. He was just throwing out things that made him sound like he knew what he was talking about. And yea you read that right. This brain fart of a human being was promoting AT&T from a Verizon kiosk
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Further proving Einstein's point... The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.
loonatik78 said:
You say BAMF 3.0 R4.9 is your ROM. This ROM is old, based upon the 2.01 GB leak (which is about 4 leaks ago), which was terribly flawed in many ways, and isn't even being developed by BAMF anymore. The newer kernels won't even work right on that ROM because aspects of the WiFi and camera have been changed in later leaks.
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If you can point me to a ROM that has full Sense 3.0 and the latest GB leak, please point me in that direction.
You're application of Tasker is probably one of the ONLY rational uses of such an app. Using it for such things as turning GPS on and off is pointless, and redundant, because Android already does that as long as you have GPS enabled. Having it enabled doesn't use any power unless you're using apps that abuse it, such as some of the traffic update apps that constantly update your position.
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Considering I do use a bunch of Apps that can use GPS (Foursquare, Weather, and my Car Dock=Car Home) and I don't always need GPS on to do what I do in them, I choose to have GPS inactive as to not chew up more battery than is necessary.
Power management apps aren't quite as useless as task killer apps, but for the purposes I see people use them for, they're not doing you many favors. I'm generally not a fan of these apps and I strongly recommend against task killers because the result of their use simply increases the amount of NAND reads the CPU must make, which is the most power intensive operation that CPU performs.
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I have never and will never use a task killer. Tasker is basically a way to create a 'macro' or series of them to help do things without having to click 18 different things on your phone. Apples to oranges.
Newer ROMs, such as the RUU 2.10 and 2.11 based ROMs, are significantly better on battery life than the older ones, especially when used with the radios from the 1.70 OTA, 2.07 RUU, 2.10 RUU, and 2.11 RUU. I'd make the jump to a more modern ROM before I tried manipulating an older one to perform. Or, move up to a newer one and do the same thing and see what you get. In any event, there's good room for improvement.
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As I said, if there is a viable full Sense 3.0 ROM with the latest RUU out there, please let me know what it is. Until that happens, I will use Tasker to fix the flaws that exist in my current RUU/ROM.
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You say BAMF 3.0 R4.9 is your ROM. This ROM is old, based upon the 2.01 GB leak (which is about 4 leaks ago), which was terribly flawed in many ways, and isn't even being developed by BAMF anymore. The newer kernels won't even work right on that ROM because aspects of the WiFi and camera have been changed in later leaks.
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Really...newer kernels don't work with BAMF 3.0 RC4.9??? That's funny because I'm running Ziggy's latest on BAMF 3.0 RC4.9 with working WiFi and camera, front and back.
Out of all the 3.0, 2.1/3.0 ROM's this is the only one that I have never missed a call because I could not answer the phone because of the end only call bug.
It might be an older ROM but it's still one of the best for this phone.
UberBAMF, Adrynalyne's side-project BAMF, both of the Gingeritis ROMs, Th3ory's ROMs, Synergy... Where the Ziggy kernel came from. Maybe I'm wrong and 4.9 uses the 2.07 base. I've used nothing but 2.07 and newer Chingy ROMs for the last 2 months as daily drivers and I've never once seen this "end call only" bug.
Ziggy's kernels aren't freely available so I don't consider it an available custom kernel.
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UberBAMF, Adrynalyne's side-project BAMF, both of the Gingeritis ROMs, Th3ory's ROMs, Synergy... Where the Ziggy kernel came from. Maybe I'm wrong and 4.9 uses the 2.07 base. I've used nothing but 2.07 and newer Chingy ROMs for the last 2 months as daily drivers and I've never once seen this "end call only" bug.
Ziggy's kernels aren't freely available so I don't consider it an available custom kernel.
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Anyone that downloads Gingeritis, or Synergy has full access to Ziggy's kernels. I would call that freely available. Either which way they still work on BAMF 3.0 RC4.9.
As for the ROM's you listed not one of them are a full Sense 3.0 ROM like RC4.9.
If you have never had the end only call bug consider yourself lucky because there are theads on both themikmik and team BAMF about this bug.
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End-call only bug is real. In 2 months of running bamf (currently on uber 3), I've encountered it once. Others have been plagued with it. Basically, when someone calls, it only displays the large "end call" button.
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Anyone that downloads Gingeritis, or Synergy has full access to Ziggy's kernels. I would call that freely available. Either which way they still work on BAMF 3.0 RC4.9.
As for the ROM's you listed not one of them are a full Sense 3.0 ROM like RC4.9.
If you have never had the end only call bug consider yourself lucky because there are theads on both themikmik and team BAMF about this bug.
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I hardly call Ziggy's kernel freely available by any stretch of the imagination. That's like saying iOS is free to anyone to use. Not really if you ONLY get it with this product or that! Ziggy also flouts the GPL like it's no big deal, so obtaining his source is nigh impossible. He's got one of the least available kernels that exists.
Sense 3.0 is eye candy. Like live wallpaper, its cool for a day, that's about it. And Rosie launcher is weak. I mean, if that's your thing, cool. It's your phone. But AOSP roms are far beyond BAMF, and far more stable. Shift B2 is the best rom I've run on my Bolt, hands down. With G+ loaded I get between 18-22 hours moderate use. Without G+ I can get a little over 28 hours. This is all 3G, as our towers havent been upgraded yet here in BFE. I understand the desire for battery life on stock battery. I pocket mine for 8 hours a day, so extended battery is unappealing. I underclock to 768 and my phone is still more responsive than it was with sense at 1.4.
I'm finally receiving my MyTouch 4G Slide today. I was just curious how the performance is? Is the stock ROM worth wild? Does anybody play N64oid, or PSoid on there phone? If so, how's the performance? Also a personal stand point whats your favorite ROM?
I want to try out the Port of CM7, but Sense 3.0 is pretty neat. If anyboyd is running a Sense 3.0 Rom, or CM7 would they recommend it?
cm7 > sense
The Sense that the MT4GS is vastly superior to previous versions of Sense, but I'm still waiting for a viable release candidate of CM to come out.
Your battery drains pretty fast with 3d games, and if you charge while you play, your phone gets hot as hell, I recommend rooting so that you can keep it underclocked as much as possible while you play. Gaming performance is good enough that you don't need full cpu power
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...as I sit here in my car waiting for my shift to start, i'm playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night on Fpse. You can find it in the google market, and if you have any old ps1 games laying around it's worth every penny.
Works great, when i'm at home I plug the phone into my t.v. and play it that way. If anything I think it runs more smoothly when plugged into the t.v. - the audio syncs just a bit better with the same settings.
Checked my email and figured i'd cruise through here real quick before they let me in to get started.
Haven't had a chance to play with n64oid, I don't have any n64 games around anymore so I passed that one by.
About the stock ROM:
Horribly bloated, full of crap, loggers and other BS...you can find the info in a few threads around here.
If you decide to stick with the stock ROM, freeze, uninstall or kill the zipwhipgroups apk and also flash Undeadk9's security patch. Those two actions should close all known security flaws to date.
I've played with all the ROMs available, and they all offer something fun approaching the phone from different angles.
Play with them and i'm sure you'll find something (honestly...anything) better then the stock ROM.
My daily-driver keeps ending up being my own frankenstein, and once i'm basically out of a job when december hits i'm looking forward to mostly finishing it off.
Performance-wise the phone is fantastic. Even on the bloated bogged down stock ROM it still flies, and once you start flashing some of the more optimized ideas people have shared with us, you'll be even more impressed with it.
Make sure you hit up the battery thread floating around here to see why you should switch away from the stock HTC battery. I use an anker battery, and couldn't be happier - but you should see what siani_8 has to say about the Mugen batteries. Pricey, but apparently worth it. I found my anker battery for just a few bucks on amazon.
The stupid stock battery gets ( to quote another members apt description ) "Stupidly hot". Heat is death for a device like this, and whether you go with a mugen or anker, you should switch for sure if you're going to get into gaming or pushing the devices limits...otherwise you'll burn it up.
Just make sure to cruise through my backup thread, link in my sig, before you go flash happy. It'll probably make life easier for you in the long run, and it's a good review even if you're already familiar with it's contents.
Always happy to see new faces around, and you'll love the device. Best of luck!
Thank you all I read a lot about the battery issue. Considering getting one, but I might just run at 800mhz. I'm coming from a G1, and iPhone 3G. This thing fly's! But I'm having another issue, I can't root. Everything is set up right. But Rev. hangs on Zerging Root?? Or is it supposed to do that? I haven't rooted in a good 3 years. Any help is good help ;D
Also all the Emulators work, even the super buggy NDS one. I kept all my older games so I have the "Legal backup". But the games that needed the expansion pac run slow with sound on. But there on http://slideme.org/ if anybody want's them.
I'm a bit lost on performance with the MT4GS. In all my testing so far I have been getting my best benchmark score with stock rom and stock kernel without overclocking. I've tested with multpile benchmark apps and consistantly get lower scores using custom roms and kernels even while overclocked up to 1.7 Ghz. The whole thing has me baffled at this point. Using quadrant advanced I average 2100 range with all stock, compared to 1800 average using custom and overclocking. To add to my confusion, my original mytouch 4G with single core is averaging 2800 in quadrant while only overclocked to 1.1 Ghz.
I must be doing something wrong, by all rights the slide should be scoring much much higher.
Does anyone have any ideas why I'm getting my bizarre results?
Thanks much everyone.
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk
Usually benchmark scores that are lower are better.
Not always, but in most cases this is true.
Quadrant didn't support dual-core processors, or well, or something if I remember right. I mostly ignored it when I was benchmarking things not long ago - wasn't working right on our phone.
Say what you like about Sense, I'm not a fan of proprietary junk either, but they have the camera right on this one. There's zero shutter lag, and the camera has the features and response of a mid priced point & shoot. It's one of the best cameras in any phone, and would sell for a nice price even if there were no phone attached. And that is largely because of the Sense framework on the back end.
Because of that, I highly recommend UndeadK9's Senseless ROM. This ROM is an AOSP themed ROM but he has kept the Sense framework on the back end, but only where it benefits us. He is very sensitive to issues with the ROM and responds to (i.e. usually fixes) them very quickly. And he posts on here as if he doesn't have a life.
If you use his ROM tip the man, he deserves it.
With quadrant i was getting better scores from my mytouch 4G, but if it is only using one core then the odd results make much more sense.
One thing that has had me confused is with custom roms and kernels on the slide, when I run benchmarks, my scores are about the same regardless of being overclocked or running stock.
Based on the scores, it looks like overclocking is having no effect. I can say that there are definitely performance increases with the slider regardless of what the benchmarks say.
I did try UndeadK9's new rubix rom, so far I'm very impressed.
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Imo there is nothing wrong with the stock rom. It has very few bugs and my phone scores 4650 on antutu. I was one of the first people to get the phone, online pre, and I got the anker battery. The new security update from tmo also gave me better 4g signal. I have only three gripes with the phone.
1. It doesn't run at 1.5ghz which it is fully capable of
2. You can't name homescreen folders
3. There is no true favorites
If you want the phone just to run cm7 vanilla don't buy the phone and get a newer gx2
The most amazing thing about the Samsung i510 is that even with the Rezound, Bionic, Nexus, and Razr out or on the horizon it’s hardware is still pretty damn good. Dollar for dollar, it is arguably the best screen out there and the CPU is quite adequate. The RAM is a little low, but again it’s adequate. I even really like the physical buttons and the Battery is ample (from a physical perspective).
The software! It’s all the software. I don’t think I will get a Nexus when it first comes out because I’m sure 15 days after I have a Nexus in hand Samsung will finally deliver 2.3.6 OTA with source. There’s no reason that this phone can’t become a great performer, sip slowly at battery all day long, and get CM9 in 2012 - but the patience VZW and Samsung asks of us is excruciating!
I agree I usually trade phones as soon as possible and my wife said no or what are you going to get next. I said actually Im happy with this phone atleast for awhile. Not like I was before and trading or buying as soon as I can. In between now and next year I see a possible dramatic advance at even what is coming out this year.
I totally agree. But I am not looking to upgrade to GB. It sucked on my D2 and I will not download it on the Charge. I just keep upgrading the Modem software on the Charge. That makes a big difference for me with each new software update.
chrstdvd said:
I totally agree. But I am not looking to upgrade to GB. It sucked on my D2 and I will not download it on the Charge. I just keep upgrading the Modem software on the Charge. That makes a big difference for me with each new software update.
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GB is better than Froyo in every way on this phone. I had constant lockups and random reboots under Froyo, but everything is smooth as silk under GB. You can't compare two completely different pieces of hardware and two different software builds to each other in terms of performance. I tried at one point to go back to EE4 and I was back EP1 within two days, because by that point, EE4 was just painful to use.
Currently on EP1W and I think its great. I find that EP4P radios to seriously rock. I will upgrade to EP4P base soon depending on when we get the OTA update.
My phone is super-stable overclocked to 1.252 GHz. Seldom radio issues, good voice quality. I freeze all kinds of stuff with Titanium Backup. I generally have no issue with RAM, but don't play games... All my apps (150 user installed apps) are stored on internal memory for speed. I may upgrade the rather slow class 2 micro-SD card to a class 10 card though.
If you take some care of your setup, you will be rewarded with a great phone.
Current Setup:
Humble 4.22 EP1W
Imoseyon Kernel 3.1
Modem: EP4P
V6 Supercharger
3G Turbocharger
I/O Scheduler Changer (running noop)
Tegrak Overclock
Changed Vocoder to EVRC-B
Voodoo Control Plus
Voodoo Screen Tuner
Oh, by the way, am I the only one not not highly stoked about the Galaxy Nexus? My primary complaints are no Wolfson DAC, pentile display, curved glass, and no micro-SD slot. Also, it has the same GPU as the Charge, albeit clocked higher. I personally will wait for the Galaxy S 3 for HD SAMOLED+, but who knows what the audio hub will be (hoping its the Wolfson.)
I used to think gb sucked after loading the earlier builds. Really buggy and laggy.
So I stuck with ee4 for the longest time.
After trying out the latest ep4 build, I completely changed my mind. Superior to froyo in every way.
Sent from my SCH-I510
cmdrfrog said:
The most amazing thing about the Samsung i510 is that even with the Rezound, Bionic, Nexus, and Razr out or on the horizon it’s hardware is still pretty damn good. Dollar for dollar, it is arguably the best screen out there and the CPU is quite adequate. The RAM is a little low, but again it’s adequate. I even really like the physical buttons and the Battery is ample (from a physical perspective).
The software! It’s all the software. I don’t think I will get a Nexus when it first comes out because I’m sure 15 days after I have a Nexus in hand Samsung will finally deliver 2.3.6 OTA with source. There’s no reason that this phone can’t become a great performer, sip slowly at battery all day long, and get CM9 in 2012 - but the patience VZW and Samsung asks of us is excruciating!
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I was right there where you're at...then I went from stock to Humble 5.0...phone is now pretty frickin nice in my opinion
Latest GB release is smooth
I agree with all the posters here. I finally flashed 2.3.6 and what a difference it made. Lag is non-existent for me, battery life is much better, data drops have practically disappeared and phone is snappy. GPS still is slow and not very accurate. Download GPS Fix from the market and run it before you use GPS....problem mostly solved.
Overall, made this phone run the way it should have from day 1.
Those of you waiting for the release, don't. Follow the instructions and flash the new release. It is very easy and you will be glad you did !
xdadevnube said:
Currently on EP1W and I think its great. I find that EP4P radios to seriously rock. I will upgrade to EP4P base soon depending on when we get the OTA update.
My phone is super-stable overclocked to 1.252 GHz. Seldom radio issues, good voice quality. I freeze all kinds of stuff with Titanium Backup. I generally have no issue with RAM, but don't play games... All my apps (150 user installed apps) are stored on internal memory for speed. I may upgrade the rather slow class 2 micro-SD card to a class 10 card though.
If you take some care of your setup, you will be rewarded with a great phone.
Current Setup:
Humble 4.22 EP1W
Imoseyon Kernel 3.1
Modem: EP4P
V6 Supercharger
3G Turbocharger
I/O Scheduler Changer (running noop)
Tegrak Overclock
Changed Vocoder to EVRC-B
Voodoo Control Plus
Voodoo Screen Tuner
Oh, by the way, am I the only one not not highly stoked about the Galaxy Nexus? My primary complaints are no Wolfson DAC, pentile display, curved glass, and no micro-SD slot. Also, it has the same GPU as the Charge, albeit clocked higher. I personally will wait for the Galaxy S 3 for HD SAMOLED+, but who knows what the audio hub will be (hoping its the Wolfson.)
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nmeofdst8 said:
I was right there where you're at...then I went from stock to Humble 5.0...phone is now pretty frickin nice in my opinion
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Humble 4.22 and 5.0 are both based on GB. You can't tell me you don't experience the buzzing noise issue, can you? THAT to me is a show stopper. I don't care how fast the datarate is but this phone still needs to make calls reliably.
Tried every GB leak variants out there and none of them has that issue solved.
Have gone back to debloated EE4 with Imoseyon's latest kernel and the latest EP4P modem installed. Been very happy with it; man, it's fast, no lag, super stable, no issue with swypes 3.0's cursor jumping around like crazy when you're posting your post on forums (surely you all have gone nuts over that problem).
Ted A said:
Humble 4.22 and 5.0 are both based on GB. You can't tell me you don't experience the buzzing noise issue, can you? THAT to me is a show stopper. I don't care how fast the datarate is but this phone still needs to make calls reliably.
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I can tell you that. I don't have that issue. I'm on the phone between 30 minutes and 2 hours a day. I've heard it exactly once, ever.
Ted A said:
Humble 4.22 and 5.0 are both based on GB. You can't tell me you don't experience the buzzing noise issue, can you? THAT to me is a show stopper. .
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I am not on Humble, but I'm running a coredroid themed version of the 2.3.6 TBH leak with imoseyon 4.0 so it's basically the same thing as Humble.
To be totally fair, I do mostly texting & don't make a ton of phone calls but I have never once had a problem on a call. I talked to my boss yesterday for 45 minutes on a call & it worked just fine.
On the occasional calls I do get or make, this phone (for me anyway) is loud & clear & much better then any previous phone I have owned (& I have had a TON of phones)
~John
Ted A said:
Humble 4.22 and 5.0 are both based on GB. You can't tell me you don't experience the buzzing noise issue, can you? THAT to me is a show stopper. I don't care how fast the datarate is but this phone still needs to make calls reliably.
Tried every GB leak variants out there and none of them has that issue solved.
Have gone back to debloated EE4 with Imoseyon's latest kernel and the latest EP4P modem installed. Been very happy with it; man, it's fast, no lag, super stable, no issue with swypes 3.0's cursor jumping around like crazy when you're posting your post on forums (surely you all have gone nuts over that problem).
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You have a lemon.
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JihadSquad said:
You have a lemon.
Sent from my Gummy Charged GBE 2.1 using XDA App
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Tons of posters on this forums have the same issue.
But I hope you're right. And I intend to prove your theory, hopefully soon. As soon as the GB OTA is out, I'll be demanding a replacement if the problem persists. With a Nexus perhaps, if I'm lucky.
xdadevnube said:
Currently on EP1W and I think its great. I find that EP4P radios to seriously rock. I will upgrade to EP4P base soon depending on when we get the OTA update.
My phone is super-stable overclocked to 1.252 GHz. Seldom radio issues, good voice quality. I freeze all kinds of stuff with Titanium Backup. I generally have no issue with RAM, but don't play games... All my apps (150 user installed apps) are stored on internal memory for speed. I may upgrade the rather slow class 2 micro-SD card to a class 10 card though.
If you take some care of your setup, you will be rewarded with a great phone.
Current Setup:
Humble 4.22 EP1W
Imoseyon Kernel 3.1
Modem: EP4P
V6 Supercharger
3G Turbocharger
I/O Scheduler Changer (running noop)
Tegrak Overclock
Changed Vocoder to EVRC-B
Voodoo Control Plus
Voodoo Screen Tuner
Oh, by the way, am I the only one not not highly stoked about the Galaxy Nexus? My primary complaints are no Wolfson DAC, pentile display, curved glass, and no micro-SD slot. Also, it has the same GPU as the Charge, albeit clocked higher. I personally will wait for the Galaxy S 3 for HD SAMOLED+, but who knows what the audio hub will be (hoping its the Wolfson.)
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Mind if I steal your build? I wanna try this out. How are you OC'ing the kernel? Just with Tegrak?
The noise just started happening on my wifes phone and she is bugging me about it.I dont really have the problem so was thinking of just re flashing radio files and see what happens.
xdadevnube said:
Oh, by the way, am I the only one not not highly stoked about the Galaxy Nexus? My primary complaints are no Wolfson DAC, pentile display, curved glass, and no micro-SD slot. Also, it has the same GPU as the Charge, albeit clocked higher. I personally will wait for the Galaxy S 3 for HD SAMOLED+, but who knows what the audio hub will be (hoping its the Wolfson.)
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I think I have to agree on all counts. I was super excited about the Galaxy Nexus coming to VZ & had a standing order in with our VZ corporate rep telling her I will buy it as soon as you can get me one.
I am having serious second thoughts however. I am so incredibly happy with my latest Charge setup (2.3.6 TBH leak W/imoseyon 4.0, LPP Plus, Fuju tweaks, camera button mod, coredroid theme etc.etc.etc.) that I am beginning to realize that with the Galaxy other than the dual processor it would actually be a downgrade for me in a number of ways.
~John
I have a good news for some http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/2...rge-gingerbread-update-rolls-out-november-29/
Official GB release date has been announced.