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Reminder to anyone who is not a Dev...

First let me qualify (or disqualify) myself.
I do not own a Viewsonic G Tablet.
I own other Android devices.
I have a strong background in development and programming. I am the Director of Engineering for a small company in Tennessee where we develop adult amusement devices (no, not porn) such as slots, video poker, etc.
I am proficient in many languages, as well as 'nix operating systems.
I have cooked my own roms in the past.
Second...
I have been lurking around the XDA developer forum since back in the Windows Mobile 6 days. I currently have an Android phone and an Android tablet (not a Viewsonic).
Like everyone else here, the prospect of the new build is tasty. Wanting to delve into it myself to see what I can do, It is helpful to me to look (like many others) in the development forums to see what I can see.
However...
Let this serve as a warning to anyone who is not a "Dev" on this forum.
This forum, like many other here at XDA belongs to a handful of "Devs" and you are not one of these "Devs".
Your best bet is to lurk like the rest of us. I don't care if you have a Honeycomb port that will work on this device or a pill that cures cancer. They don't want to see it and you don't want the hassle of being flamed for trying to contribute. They will get to it and you will not beat them to it.
Devs work hard. They do the work for free and they should be revered and respected. But make no mistake, they know it and are not afraid to tell you to STFU and GTFO for merely making a suggestion or comment.
So do all of us a favor, stick to the General forums and don't poke the bear.
I do not plan to respond to this thread and it should probably be closed immediately.

neo4uo said:
Not trying to poke your bear, but even this thread should not be posted in here. This needs to be moved to the general section. This thread defines the word ironic.
Peace \oo/
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.........lmfao i was about to say the same thing, this thread totally defeat its purpose, the fact is no matter how much you tell people to "search" "post in the proper section" "dont ask for ETAs" and so on theres going to be someone that dont follows the rules, and WTF???? "This forum, like many other here at XDA belongs to a handful of Devs"??? this forum belogs to the community just as much as it does the devs......obviously someone did not read the "state of the site anoucement......tsk......tskk

I am poking the Bear, and here it goes.
If you want us peasants to stop posting in the Development forum of ANY device, simply create a tag for Developers, make it so only "x" amount of posts and a review by the mods, will grant someone this tag. Then you limit access to the Dev forum to tag holders only. Then, when one of the Devs (whos' work is tremendous and I highly resect) has something ready to go, they can post a link or a file in the General section.
That way us 'morons' who are not welcome here can't possibly get in their way with our useless posts and questions. I am tired of the elitist attitude that some have here. Yes a lot of you know more than I do about this stuff, yes I am learning to do this stuff in my SPARE TIME. I am not in college, I do not have a job that allows me to sit in front of a computer all day(don't want it either). When I do have the time to get invloved, or if I find something useful, like many of us, I want to post it. I don't want to be a leach. I can only speak for myself with this. I may not be able to give as much as the devs do, but how can I possibly learn if I dno't ask questions?
The Search feature that people here are so in love with and can't wait to tell us "search is your friend"?
Its almost useless. Its rare that I can find what I'm looking for in the limited amount of time I have to be on here. Its generally easier for me, and many others I suspect, to ask the question and wait for an answer.

Then ask the question. The big complaint is that most don't even try to look or they post "LOOK>>>>>HONEYCOMB ON THE NOOK.....WHY DONT WE HAVE IT YET" in the dev section. Granted the search function isnt great but filling up the forum with the same questions over and over is what makes the search function useless to some. Although I seem to be able to find what I'm looking for most of the time with a little work. The moderators have asked that people not post general questions as new threads in the dev section yet it keeps being done.
its not an elitist attitude about the dev section. Its a request to keep the posts to development only or at least inside the correct thread and not keep asking the same question over and over with a new thread.

I agree with limited access...
Frrrrrrunkis said:
I am poking the Bear, and here it goes.
If you want us peasants to stop posting in the Development forum of ANY device, simply create a tag for Developers, make it so only "x" amount of posts and a review by the mods, will grant someone this tag. Then you limit access to the Dev forum to tag holders only. Then, when one of the Devs (whos' work is tremendous and I highly resect) has something ready to go, they can post a link or a file in the General section.
That way us 'morons' who are not welcome here can't possibly get in their way with our useless posts and questions. I am tired of the elitist attitude that some have here. Yes a lot of you know more than I do about this stuff, yes I am learning to do this stuff in my SPARE TIME. I am not in college, I do not have a job that allows me to sit in front of a computer all day(don't want it either). When I do have the time to get invloved, or if I find something useful, like many of us, I want to post it. I don't want to be a leach. I can only speak for myself with this. I may not be able to give as much as the devs do, but how can I possibly learn if I dno't ask questions?
The Search feature that people here are so in love with and can't wait to tell us "search is your friend"?
Its almost useless. Its rare that I can find what I'm looking for in the limited amount of time I have to be on here. Its generally easier for me, and many others I suspect, to ask the question and wait for an answer.
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I think the idea of tags is a great idea, but once again I don't know how easy this function would be.

thebadfrog said:
Then ask the question.
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Unfortunately, you're changing the rules of the present discussion with that. The OP stated "Devs work hard. They do the work for free and they should be revered and respected. But make no mistake, they know it and are not afraid to tell you to STFU and GTFO for merely making a suggestion or comment." The implication of that is you SHOULDN'T ask the question, you should just STFU.
IMO, the OP is WAY out of line. If the devs don't want comments/suggestions/questions, then they should keep their dev work private and not open it up for public consumption. Yes, the rest of the community wouldn't benefit as much in that case, but there's no excuse for an arrogant attitude like saying STFU for GTFO if someone merely makes a suggestion or comment on something that's been posted for public consumption.
If the devs are simply doing their work and sharing it just to have people fawn all over them for it and expect not to have to deal with the questions/comments/suggestions of the "unwashed masses", well, sorry, the world (and this site/forum, from my understanding) doesn't work that way.

Its the answering "How do I install clockwork?" question that is posted all the time even tho its clearly posted as a sticky. "I've followed the directions exactly and I cant get TnTlite to install".....wrong....you havent or it would have installed. "When are we gonna get an update to X rom?"......"How come we don't have Honeycomb yet?"....."Your rom bricked my device"....."Why won't someone answer my question? that was posted 15 minutes ago.....The devs do this on their own time and for the most part are happy to answer questions but when its clear that someone has no intention of learning for themselves and just want the info handed to them on a silver platter.......well....it gets old

The OP is out of line with his "psa" unless he speaks on behalf of the collective body of said developers.
This is a rhetorical post, I will not be responding again.
Edit: see what I did there with that last line?

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Collaaaaa!!!!

If we want to grow the G Tab community ( aka continue to receive the excellent support from the Devs) we need to grow the number of G Tab users. If I were considering a new tablet purchase and stopped by here to check out the G Tab, I would not put it high on my list. If new members post in the wrong section or dup a post, it's Ok to send them a "Friendly" reminder, but to blast them like this is an insult to everyone here. Hell they might even be driven to buy a windows mobile 6 product.

More Understanding of newcomers.

More and more i see in the forums newcomers asking for legitimate advice and guidance, and some even preface there lack of english, and yet i see other relative newcomers flame them, and sometimes even members/senior members also join the band wagon.
Some moderators have no qualms in flaming also... you know who you are.
Sure, there are those newcomers that have nothing better to do than start a thread for the enjoyment of pissing people off...I am confident the Mods will nuke them quickly.
I joined the site for the camaraderie and knowledge that is brought to the table.
Friendly banter is healthy , but abusive and racist comments should stop.
My 2 cents worth here, Don't respond to flamers as they want to bask in their glory and if we bite back we are no better than them.
I want my forums back to how they used to be. friendly, helpful, humourous.
The only way to get the respect we deserve is to lead by example.
Gets off my soapbox.
Waits to be flamed for this post...lol

+ 1
Your post should be stickied and copied to all the forums.
Thanks for your two cents.
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I agree with you, but on the other hand teasing noobs is healthy for them. It's like in highschool, freshmans get teased, and it toughens them up.
A lot of new users seemingly post threads without doing any searching or reading any stickies. Making them aware of these options bluntly is good imo and saves the forum of clutter.
I haven't seen much noob bashing on here though, correct me if I'm wrong.

You are right. New phone, new rooting method, threads that aren't 100 pages long, plus we are all to some degree noobs here has made an exemplary forum.
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I can't stand it when people jump all over noobs. All the time I see people getting their heads bitten off & actually being called names by senior members just for asking simple questions. It's positively shameful & it needs to stop. If they're asking stupid questions or being rude, yeah I can understand some backlash for that but sometimes it seems like the senior members just wanna chase off new people. XDA is supposed to be a community of smart people with an interest in phone modding but sometimes we act like an 8th grade class.
We were all noobs once & we need to remember that before we scream at someone for asking a question that- *GASP*- may have been answered before. A gentle reminder to search will suffice, no need to rip them a new one. And we also need to consider that not everyone knows exactly what terms to search for & that search is down for maintenance half the time to begin with.

moh0 said:
I agree with you, but on the other hand teasing noobs is healthy for them. It's like in highschool, freshmans get teased, and it toughens them up.
A lot of new users seemingly post threads without doing any searching or reading any stickies. Making them aware of these options bluntly is good imo and saves the forum of clutter.
I haven't seen much noob bashing on here though, correct me if I'm wrong.
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The search function as on any forum is not infallible and the way some new posters are treated is less than great, people don't come on here to be toughened up but to gain knowledge.

Well said OP! Most of the XDA gang usually helps one another...

APPLAUSE ...APPLAUSE
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Super Chimp said:
The search function as on any forum is not infallible and the way some new posters are treated is less than great, people don't come on here to be toughened up but to gain knowledge.
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XDA is more a community than a school. In order to be a functioning part of a community, you must go through the motions of becoming a valuable member. I'm not condoning the bashing of noobs. But if new users constantly ask silly questions, something has to be said about it.

Locking threads

Why is it that the so called MODS in this place would rather lock a thread than to accept the fact they are ****ed in the head! I don't know what the deal is with the MODS here but they need to get their heads out their ass and address the real issues instead of holding a grudge! You are loosing some great people because of your arrogant stupid ass I am god attitude. So I hope to see xda flop on its sorry ass!!!!!!! PEACE OUT!

Agreed.
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Well although I think you could've said that in a more tasteful manner (as to not stoop down to their level) I still agree.
Tator's thread regarding dfgas' recognized developer status (or lack thereof) was a pretty calm thread and, aside from a few comments made by other users (which were minor at worst) it was not in violation of any XDA forum rules. It was more importantly though our little Mesmerize (and Showcase) community coming together collectively to show our support for one of our developers. The overwhelming majority agreed that he did deserve recognized developer status. Closing that thread, in my opinion, was about as close as you can get to downright censorship in an attempt to control our opinions here. We have the right to speak our minds and voice our opinions, as long as its within forum rules. If a few members bend or break a rule, then by all means, a moderator can edit his post, but the entire thread should not be closed, especially when we are voicing our support for one of our developers.
Considering...
"[XDA] is and always will be a site for developers, pure and simple. Without them we are nothing, without them there would be no reason for XDA Developers to exist; we should never ever forget that. Without them this place would not be called XDA-Developers but something else, e.g Mobile Phone User Support Services For Ungrateful Nerds. XDA is about developing and is for developers. Any user that recognizes that will gain the most benefit from this site."
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I am still very shocked that a thread was closed when its sole purpose was to show our support for one of our developers and to let him know that we were behind him even after he had been denied recognition that he has absolutely earned.
I also believe part of the frustration and anger a lot of us share is regarding the manner in which the thread was locked. jerdog and I do not see eye to eye, he knows that and I know that, and that is what it is, however I will say in the most respectful way that I think telling, basically our sub-forum as a whole, that this manner was not 'our place' to comment on was disrespectful to all of us and a slap in all our faces. Because it is absolutely our place. A developer with no users and no community behind him/her is no more useful than a lone hammer just sitting idle without someone around to manipulate it. A developer needs his users just as much as the users need their developer. Without users, a developer's work is pointless. So to tell us it is not 'our place' to voice our opinion when we believe our developer has been wronged, completely undermines the developer-user relationship and is a extemely poor attitude to display. Especially to refer to our support of dfgas as "whining and complaining" I thought was completely uncalled for.

holy crap, you made an intelligent post :O
haha I completely agree with you on all counts. these guys need to get their act together, the more they act like they did in that thread the less I want to come to this site for anything.
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The reason for the thread's closing boils down to these few points:
The only person who can petition for someone to be recognized as a developer, is THAT DEVELOPER THEMSELVES. That was stated a few times in that thread as well as the PM sent to the applicant when they aren't selected.
Any attempt to drum up support is counter-productive as it's not your place, and only comes across as whining which is reserved for ages 0-2.
That being said, any further attempts to drum up a mob will fall under the rules of XDA and you will be, at the least, infracted - and most likely given a vacation from the site so as to pursue other hobbies. It's the rules - if you don't like them - there are other places you can frequent - you're not being paid to stay here, nor are we (Mods and Admins) paid to put up with it.
This thread is closed. If you have any issues with that, feel free to PM me or any SM.

[Q] {Q} to all moderators and XDA admin's

before i start this thread please understand i have been "stalking" this site and the forums gaining much knowledge of the devices i use and have owned... in NO way am i trying to bad talk any general mod or admin in anyway and dont mean for this to be insulting to anyone...
my question(s) is:
Why do most if not ALL moderators feel the need to threaten people in EVERY forum... now i can understand if there is a person swearing at someone... but honestly most of you flaunt your BAN powers a little to much... as if we cant see your "moderator" title and know when to shut up and grow up till you leave jk lol
now with that said i understand some of you have a life outside xda... and may get a little "pissy" then log on to XDA and see 50 PM's about a person or forum being out of control... you then go in there with a chip on your shoulder and not only get MORE pissed off... but make someone pissed off or upset by your NerdRage banhammer powers of steel
i think you need to understand that we are people too... just as you are... we are no perfect and do not mean to make mistakes... but with that SO DO YOU... so please if any moderators read this next time you "clean" a thread and decide to leave a cocky comment regarding your powers of vacation giving... try politely telling the general public to do what you ask...
(PLEASE INSERT USER FOR PEOPLE... IF YOUR A IGNORANT PERSON THAT THINKS EVERYONE IS FACELESS OVER THE INTERNET)
i really enjoyed xda a year or so ago... when it wasnt so violent and people where nice... but i think XDA moderators should set an example of those who are rude... and be the bigger person rather than blatantly abuse there privilege's
let this thread die... or comment i dont care... hell even ban me or send me on a vacation... some one needed to say this in my opinion... and obviously many people on here CANT have that very thing without someone *****ing at them.. or stepping on someones toes
hope XDA can start this new year off better than the last one ended
thanks

The short version: It's their JOB
The longer version. They are responsible for helping to keep XDA a innovative thriving board that has a wide range of users from a wide variety of different backgrounds and experiance. They not only have to deal with keeping the regular userbase happy but they have to ensure xda remains a productive and successful family friendly (for the most part) website, and in doing this they deal with alot of stupidity, trolls, spambots, incorrectly placed posts, whingers, drunkards, spammers, scammers, noobs, rickrolls, memes, tired old jokes, and self entitled douches (to name a few).
Some people may behave when they know a mod is watching whist others may continue being dumbasses or annoying or breaching the rules and may require a more firm approach. (Although in my oppinion a warning is not a firm approach, a flat out ban or suspension without a warning is). XDA is a informitive treasure-trove of awesomeness that covers a wide veriety of tablets, phones, programs and platforms, and whats more? ITS FREE! Sure feel free to whinge about being warned for a percived infraction but really you should be taking it up with the mod who did it or other mods cause this type of thread will get you no where. Believe it or not the tolerence level here is pretty high, as long as you post in the correct areas and make a minimal attempt to remain on topic, they are not too hard and if you are feeling like being stupid, they even provide a forum for people to be stupid in (check out the off topic section, I do regularly. Its funny..... sometimes.)
SO in the end you can either be in here whinging or out there making productive use of yours and your phones time, otherwise there is that little X in the top corner of your screen.
And remember:

I tell you. Most moderators take this site to seriously. It's like it's their baby, also some of them are very sad And have nothing better to do than ban people.
Really you just have to put up with people that don't have a life outside this forum.
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That ban threat that you are talking about is a generic copy and paste message. Why should they type out a personalized message to the hundreds of people breaking the rules everyday? And it really isn't a threat. If you continue to break the rules, you WILL be banned.

Quote who you are talking to
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hungry81 said:
The short version: It's their JOB
The longer version. They are responsible for helping to keep XDA a innovative thriving board that has a wide range of users from a wide variety of different backgrounds and experiance. They not only have to deal with keeping the regular userbase happy but they have to ensure xda remains a productive and successful family friendly (for the most part) website, and in doing this they deal with alot of stupidity, trolls, spambots, incorrectly placed posts, whingers, drunkards, spammers, scammers, noobs, rickrolls, memes, tired old jokes, and self entitled douches (to name a few).
Some people may behave when they know a mod is watching whist others may continue being dumbasses or annoying or breaching the rules and may require a more firm approach. (Although in my oppinion a warning is not a firm approach, a flat out ban or suspension without a warning is). XDA is a informitive treasure-trove of awesomeness that covers a wide veriety of tablets, phones, programs and platforms, and whats more? ITS FREE! Sure feel free to whinge about being warned for a percived infraction but really you should be taking it up with the mod who did it or other mods cause this type of thread will get you no where. Believe it or not the tolerence level here is pretty high, as long as you post in the correct areas and make a minimal attempt to remain on topic, they are not too hard and if you are feeling like being stupid, they even provide a forum for people to be stupid in (check out the off topic section, I do regularly. Its funny..... sometimes.)
SO in the end you can either be in here whinging or out there making productive use of yours and your phones time, otherwise there is that little X in the top corner of your screen.
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i have YET to get WARNED or ANYTHING from a moderator... this is a general question from all the **** i seen on man forums where the moderator feels the need to taunt and belittle people... this is a FREE site... but in no way should people feel like **** because a moderator is being a asshole...
and people like you (ignorant ****s) are the reason why people get defensive and trash talk each other and argue....
maybe after this post i will be yelled at for swearing but again this isnt about ME getting yelled at and complaining.... this is ME standing up for the people who dont get a warning for anything but get banned... and it has happened and for you to say" you shouldnt get a warning it should be a ban or vacation" just shows how arrogant you are... bet if i track through ALL of your recent posts/threads you havent helped one person without being a **** about it first...

Bear gri11z said:
i have YET to get WARNED or ANYTHING from a moderator... this is a general question from all the **** i seen on man forums where the moderator feels the need to taunt and belittle people... this is a FREE site... but in no way should people feel like **** because a moderator is being a asshole...
and people like you (ignorant ****s) are the reason why people get defensive and trash talk each other and argue....
maybe after this post i will be yelled at for swearing but again this isnt about ME getting yelled at and complaining.... this is ME standing up for the people who dont get a warning for anything but get banned... and it has happened and for you to say" you shouldnt get a warning it should be a ban or vacation" just shows how arrogant you are... bet if i track through ALL of your recent posts/threads you havent helped one person without being a **** about it first...
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Lol its a crusader on the internets fighting for the rights of the downtrodden and abused on all forums everywhere, One day we will break free of this dictatorship and take the forums for the common man.
OR
WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA No one tells me what to do ill tell my mummy and she will get you in trouble. My mummy says I can do what I want and you can't do any thing .
Actually your post and general whining reminds me of this:

close to the end of 2015 and alot of mods are still huge jerks who think they have power over any and everyone.

r.sorujlall said:
close to the end of 2015 and alot of mods are still huge jerks who think they have power over any and everyone.
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I can tell you first hand the Moderates on this site are some of the best people I've ever encountered anywhere. And they have a site with near 7 million members to watch over. Then along come people who got "in trouble" for breaking the rules that they agreed to when they registered, calling moderators power tripping jerks. :silly:
Well, I will need to disagree. The tolerance most show amazes me at times. If you only knew the messages we often receive. Again, an incredible group of people here selflessly donating their time, for free, to help keep this site great.
All that said, me, myself, I lean to the jerk side.
Thread closed. 3 years late, but well deserved. :good:
Darth
Power tripping jerk Forum Moderator

alternative to XDA?

are there any decent alternatives that people frequent?
none commercial ones.

Modaco
I think Modaco is a nice site !

Android forums is a good site
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Nothing is better than XDA.

waz000000 said:
are there any decent alternatives that people frequent?
none commercial ones.
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Depends on what you are looking for. The appeal of our site is the fact that it holds a VAST amount of information generated for almost 10 years since the early days of PocketPC2000. You don't need to post or even be part of any community in particular to rip the full benefits that the site has to offer. I see that you have been a member for a very long time and I can somewhat understand where your post is going (the implied message). The commercial aspect of the site revolves around the banners which we try to keep to a minimum but to have enough to pay for our costs, which are rather high.
The sites suggested by other people in this thread are indeed good, but again, each site appeals to a specific audience. XDA presents a wider scope than most sites out there.
I hope this helps.

Uhmm...now that i think about, there is this site that should be handy

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dns.vlad said:
Nothing is better than XDA.
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This is true. I've been to PPCGeeks and MoDaCo, but they kinda fizzled out. In a way, XDA DEVELOPERS has "adopted" their old members.
- 2 Bunny

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Uhmm...now that i think about, there is this site that should be handy
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lol, did crack me up..
The ads are not what influenced my question i use an ad blocker on chrome and can honestly say ive not seen an add on xda thanks to that. What I meant was a forum not attached financially to a store/shop.
XDA is huge and ive been visiting this site for many a moon but I also want to explore other sites and see what else is around as well..
hidden gems and the likes.

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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.

sorry forgot XDA had turned a little unfriendly ill make sure i don't post again
it's kinda why i posted the in the general section as yes technically it was a question was also a general thing but once again the hand of pointless takes control. stick it!

waz000000 said:
sorry forgot XDA had turned a little unfriendly ill make sure i don't post again
it's kinda why i posted the in the general section as yes technically it was a question was also a general thing but once again the hand of pointless takes control. stick it!
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Yes. Everything is an issue anymore. Can't even create a device forum easily anymore. It's gotta be "popular enough". Ugh. XDA developers stopped being a Dev site a while ago. It's why I don't Dev here anymore.
If you want answers try finding the right telegram link for your device.
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