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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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craigwillie said:
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
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Neoprimal said:
Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
rushless said:
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
If andorid 4.0 VS windows 8. Who win?
I will compare them from the following aspects.
performance: win8 is better, cuz win8 can support processor x86, which is stronger than ARM.
size: andorid 4.0 beats win8. andorid 4.0 can be installed in a machine with smaller storage capacity.
power consumption: according to some statistics, andorid 4.0 is more advanced than win8.
In all, andorid 4.0 is the real and final winner, rather than win8.
So what's your ideas of this question? Share with me!!
They both can´t beat the Chuck Norris.
sure is android 4 the winner, win8 is from microsoft
Windows 8 is basically a fusion between the features of Windows 7 and the interface of Windows Phone 7.
A desktop operating system is always better than a mobile... It's the same as comparing Ubuntu with Windows Mobile.
Android 4.0 beatin for sure Windows mobile 8
Now I think, that Android wins, becouse he had more existing apps, than WP8
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If andorid 4.0 VS windows 8. Who win?
I will compare them from the following aspects.
performance: win8 is better, cuz win8 can support processor x86, which is stronger than ARM.
size: andorid 4.0 beats win8. andorid 4.0 can be installed in a machine with smaller storage capacity.
power consumption: according to some statistics, andorid 4.0 is more advanced than win8.
In all, andorid 4.0 is the real and final winner, rather than win8.
So what's your ideas of this question? Share with me!!
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This is the worst comparison that I've read, ever. EVER. I thought one up, just for you:
Table vs. International Space Station (ISS)
The table is closer, than ISS.
ISS has more space on it than a table.
The table moves slower so it can hold your booze steadier than the ISS.
In all the table is the real and final winner, rather than the ISS. NASA you suck!
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Now that we are done with that let's analyze why your comparison sucks.
performance: win8 is better, cuz win8 can support processor x86, which is stronger than ARM.
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Android 4 supports x86 architectures too. Y U NO READ NEWS?
x86 is an architecture. ARM is an architecture. Period.
size: andorid 4.0 beats win8. andorid 4.0 can be installed in a machine with smaller storage capacity.
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WTF? Memory is dirt cheap. Even if windows 8 would take up 8GB on a tablet it simply wouldn't matter. At all.
The funny thing is that you don't know how much space either of these OSs take up. Don't compare it with windows 7, because that's completely different.
power consumption: according to some statistics, andorid 4.0 is more advanced than win8.
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Congratulations. You just compared an operating system that's available on one device to one that's not even out yet, based on some statistics that you failed to cite.
You are the worst kind of fanboy on the planet.
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Now I think, that Android wins, becouse he had more existing apps, than WP8
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Based on your argument, iOS is the best because it has the most apps.
Android 17 will crush Windows 22 because.. well you know... because.
Pointless thread is pointless.
maaan Android ftw
Isn't Windows 8 a desktop/touch operating system?
Why Windows 8 is cooler with touch monitors than CRTs...
Android 4.0 all the way <3
I'll vote for android
It's still apples and oranges, people ._.
Possibly Android and Mangos, but still.
no more like Ice Cream and Mangos. Either way though your point about x86 chips being stronger is more wrong than you know. They have been major advances in mobile "weaker" ARM chipsets in the last few years thanks to Android and even iOS than the x86 chips have seen in years. In many respects the ARM chips can reliably outperform many comparable x86 chips and use less resources to do so.
perhaps we cant compare like this~~
android is good. it seems like that win8 supports ARM, but what is the performance~~not sure
So many replies, aha, i prefer to Android 4.0
I find a Android 4.0 tablet and the price is just almost the same as ordinary tablets. This shocks me!
Android 4.0 Tablet PC
This must be the first Android 4.0 tablet, anyone has found Android 4.0 also? Pls post here, i have great interest in the new OS!!!
It seems no one here does any real work.
You guys must have it good to just pass by everyday playing with a phone.
Edit: just to make sure I don't come under fire, I have said the above because to choose android, a os lacking any real working work related software, over windows, a os designed with work in mind, means you probably don't do a lot of work requiring computers.
$1 gets you a reply
ITT people compare apples with bananas.
Exactly Android.
is this topic for creating a 19 inch mobile phone?
I'm an iOS/Java developer and I want to learn Android dev and port my apps to Android devices. I know there's simulators, but I'm a firm believer in "dogfooding," and want to "live" with the software running on real hardware for a few days, so, I'm looking at the ~$200 Android options... I can read the spec sheets and shoot-out comparisons as well as the next guy, but I was wondering what's the groupthink here?
What I'm considering (so far; open to other suggestions):
IdeaPad A1
Kindle Fire (rooted)
Waiting for the rumored Google ICS tablet
Thoughts? Capacitive touch screen (ideally with at least 1024x600 resolution), decent responsiveness (adequate CPU and RAM), reliable WiFi connectivity are must-haves. Anything from 2.3 on would be interesting.
I have a PRS-T1 I rooted and am happily running a mix of eReader apps on, and I had a Nook Color running CM7.1 but it was always flaky and inadvertently (unrelatedly) became a chew toy for my newest rescue dog...
Thanks!
Try the Asus MeMO Pad, it has high-end specs for $250.
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus-eee-pad-memo/4505-3126_7-35117824.html
However, I would suggest going for the Asus Padfone, as it represents the first step towards a future with modular computing, a paradigm shift on the level of having smartphones in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBTc3gn7jBE
hackintoshable said:
I'm an iOS/Java developer and I want to learn Android dev and port my apps to Android devices. I know there's simulators, but I'm a firm believer in "dogfooding," and want to "live" with the software running on real hardware for a few days, so, I'm looking at the ~$200 Android options... I can read the spec sheets and shoot-out comparisons as well as the next guy, but I was wondering what's the groupthink here?
What I'm considering (so far; open to other suggestions):
IdeaPad A1
Kindle Fire (rooted)
Waiting for the rumored Google ICS tablet
Thoughts? Capacitive touch screen (ideally with at least 1024x600 resolution), decent responsiveness (adequate CPU and RAM), reliable WiFi connectivity are must-haves. Anything from 2.3 on would be interesting.
I have a PRS-T1 I rooted and am happily running a mix of eReader apps on, and I had a Nook Color running CM7.1 but it was always flaky and inadvertently (unrelatedly) became a chew toy for my newest rescue dog...
Thanks!
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Being that Im guessing you would like to stay in the $200.00 price range I strongly suggest you check out swappa.com Its the "Ebay of Android" and I know of few here at XDA that have used it with much success. I think you will like what you find.
Galaxy tab 7 2 is 250 brand new so u might be able to get a used one for cheaper
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nook tablet with custom rom (cm7)
*almost same spec (same processor, etc) with kindle fire but nook has 16gb, micro sd slot and 1gb ram compared to kindle fire's no micro sd and 512mb ram
link - barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969
trust me, 512mb ram is just not enough
it seems samsung galaxy tab2 7 is 249$.
fisherwei said:
it seems samsung galaxy tab2 7 is 249$.
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I just got one last week and I am very pleased with it.
For those who don't know the Samsung Ativ Q is a touchscreen laptop that dual boots Windows 8 and Android 4.2.2, will this mean people will be able to port Android to any PC using the Q's files? It would be awesome for all touchscreen ultrabooks :3
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Actually Android is only emulated into a virtual machine.
You can already have that with Bluestack however the Samsung solution is more classy with the ability to pin Android apps to the Desktop and start them directly through it.
Rivalxstorm said:
Actually Android is only emulated into a virtual machine.
You can already have that with Bluestack however the Samsung solution is more classy with the ability to pin Android apps to the Desktop and start them directly through it.
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Exactly, Samsung just has a better VM Android running on the ATIV Q which allows for 1.5gb max RAM for Android, while Windows gets 2.5gb RAM, some more RAM can be allocated for Windows leaving Android with less than 1.5gb, you can also just shut down Dual OS and run Windows with 4gb RAM.
By the way, Samsung wasn't the first to debut a Dual OS hybrid, Asus did it first with their Transformer Book Trio.
Hello. I'm new on this forum, so please be gentle...
Can someone tell me how can I install Windows on a Tablet? I can't seem to find the answer on GOOGLE.
This is the Tablet and it's specs:
Name: Serioux S102TAB
Display: 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600, 5 point multi-touch, Capacitive
CPU: ARM, Cortex, A9, 1.2Ghz Dual Core, Rockchip RK3168
RAM: 1Gb DDR(3?)
HDD: 8Gb
External HDD: 32Gb microSD
GPU: ARM Mali 400
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G
Multimedia: Speaker, Microphone, Web Cam 0.3 + 1.3 Mpx
OS: Android 4.2.2
Battery: Lithium Polymer 5000mAh
I appreciate any kinds of help and anyone who tries to help.
Have a nice day/night!
If you want install Windows like a PC (desktop apps...) it is impossible because are different platforms (ARM VS X86-64).
If you mean Windows RT, actually is it not possible
What do you mean I can't install Windows on a Tablet? There are Tablets that have Windows on them. I saw a tablet that had Windows and Android on it. They were two separate Tablets, but they were both the same model with the same specs.
I'm not talking about PC version of Windows. I'm talking about the version that is on Tablets and Phones, Windows Mobile or something. There has to be a Custom ROM with that kind of Windows for me to flash it on the Tablet. But I don't know where to look for it.
EDIT: I just found out that there is Windows 8.1 RT for ARM based devices.
If you mean the Asus Duet, it's an x86 , not ARM.
There aren't custom ROM with Windows RT inside. Cotulla is working on it with HTC One.
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Damn it, just search the net! Windows 8.1 RTM works with ARM cpus. The thing is I have no clue how to install it on android. It is an iso file that boots from the usb, but that only works on pcs(I think). They don't give us the instructions on how to install it on the Android. :crying::crying:
Gordon2013 said:
Hello. I'm new on this forum, so please be gentle...
Can someone tell me how can I install Windows on a Tablet? I can't seem to find the answer on GOOGLE.
This is the Tablet and it's specs:
Name: Serioux S102TAB
Display: 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600, 5 point multi-touch, Capacitive
CPU: ARM, Cortex, A9, 1.2Ghz Dual Core, Rockchip RK3168
RAM: 1Gb DDR(3?)
HDD: 8Gb
External HDD: 32Gb microSD
GPU: ARM Mali 400
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G
Multimedia: Speaker, Microphone, Web Cam 0.3 + 1.3 Mpx
OS: Android 4.2.2
Battery: Lithium Polymer 5000mAh
I appreciate any kinds of help and anyone who tries to help.
Have a nice day/night!
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You cant run windows or even windows RT on your tablet/ majority of tablets out there (unless you create a virtual engine to mimic it which will work like crap) but i can suggest you side load Ubuntu with your android device which will work well. The OS is very malleable in that it is extremely open source AND is linux based, search for that instead... Good luck.
Quote RamRaja. Try to install that.
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Are you yelling and cussing at people to figure out what you cant?
Right now tablets dont really come as blank personal computing devices that you can unstall what ever OS and boot loader you want. The windows system would need drivers for all the on board hardware which may not be possible...
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This app might help you if needed for Microsoft windows core apps. It runs off a server... even gives you 2GB free cloud storage if they havent changed it yet. Onlive desktop app for android. Hope that helps.
BTW: Yes RT can run on ARM, but currently does not work for yours as detailed above.
scryan said:
Are you yelling and cussing at people to figure out what you cant?
Right now tablets dont really come as blank personal computing devices that you can unstall what ever OS and boot loader you want. The windows system would need drivers for all the on board hardware which may not be possible...
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First of all, sorry for yelling. I just said to him that there's already a windows that can run on arm cpus. But he didn't believe me...
Second, there aren't a large variety of components for tablets, most of them have the same crap. So it wouldn't be needing so many drivers.
RamRaja said:
This app might help you if needed for Microsoft windows core apps. It runs off a server... even gives you 2GB free cloud storage if they havent changed it yet. Onlive desktop app for android. Hope that helps.
BTW: Yes RT can run on ARM, but currently does not work for yours as detailed above.
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Well it says ANY arm based device. So my cpu falls into that category. Why are you saying my tablet can't run it?
BTW: I don't want to offend anyone. I just hoped that someone knew about it and how do do it. There is on now, but it's made for a surface tablet...
It would be nice if we could flash it though custom recovery.