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Has anybody every try putting xp lite on a touch pro2?

I notice a couple of phone in China which have xp on the phone including the (xphone) and a dual operating system with xp and android called the (via 500mhz mid). Why can't we make something like this in America??? I thought the touch pro 2 was a mini computer. Why has any abody hacked it to work on the touch pro 2

never going to happen.
this phone is running ARM cpu. XP is only for x86 cpu. there is no ARM version.
what you see is another OS made to look like XP or that phone is running x86 cpu.

Are you kidding? XP on a TP2? What he said.... not gonna happen. Not just for CPU type reasons. Even if XP could run on ARM architecture, the speed to boot would be so slow. You would at lease need a 1GHZ Snapdragon CPU, plus double the RAM.
I seen Windows 95 on a Pocket PC quite a few times. IMO, it sucks. Ancient tech, besides glitchy ass Win95... I'll pass.
What would be nice if there were an app that allowed you to run older 16 & 32 bit win 98 apps. There's still a number of apps I run on my current XP setup that are from the 400-600 mhz X86 era. Would be cool if I could run them on here

Windows XP Pirate Edition from Wikipedia. Please read this with an open mind.
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I believe theTouch Pro 2 should be a little better than a piece of crab pc right?
They claim you can play warcraft fast on a piece of crap computer. Why can't xp work? The only limitation for it to work be x86 processor that would be required to run it. If somebody could make xp run on a micro SD card similarly like what is being done with the android wouldn't this be awesome. To have a dual boot system with windows mobile being the primary OS and xp being the secondary OS running from a micro SD card.

despite the fact that windows xp is designed for x86 processors, what makes it more impossible is the fact that the source code is not publicly available. what makes the android port possible is the fact that it is an open source os.

And what about windows 98? a friend of mine, made run it in a htc touch! :O

usbar said:
And what about windows 98? a friend of mine, made run it in a htc touch! :O
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and i bet it ran like crap
it was likely done through an emulator that emulated the x86 processor, the problem there is you need a lot higher specs than the system you are trying to emulate, 4x is the rule of thumb IIRC

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and i bet it ran like crap
it was likely done through an emulator that emulated the x86 processor, the problem there is you need a lot higher specs than the system you are trying to emulate, 4x is the rule of thumb IIRC
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This whole thing would be a mess - XP kinda sucks anyway - but if you want it on your phone just use logmein, gotomypc, or even the built-in RDP and just interface with a real PC. Better yet - interface with a real PC running win7.

Dual Core Question

I am just wondering. I am a huge fan of android and am using Desire HD now. But I was wondering if a dual core tablet can be installed with Windows 7? I only need the W7 just to sync with my android phone. Maybe I can install RUU or any other ROMS in the future using my tablet.

Not quite sure what your asking here... Dual Core x86 processor tablets would probably run windows 7, Dual Core Arm Processor can not as windows is x86 processor specification and Android is Arm. All android devices are compatible to the best of my knowledge with windows 7 so if your worried about getting an android tablet and not having support for it then don't worry. Other than that i hope i answered your question.

Moved to general

Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.

The Old One said:
Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.
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Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.

Yes, Atom x86 CPU and Android 1.6 (last version to support x86).
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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GaryHypnosis said:
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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Viewsonic's Viewpad 10 uses the intel atom cpu to my knowledge. I don't know the details behind it but have read that Android 1.6 is the last version of Android that can run on x86 architecture. Maybe a dev. will be able to explain that part.
It would have made lots of sense for Google to make 2.x and up compatible with x86/x64 but I suppose there may be politics involved (imho, it can't be much else, since Linux runs on everything and Android is based almost entirely on Linux)....or maybe it would be more work or too much code needed. Since 2.2 is meant primarily for phones first, maybe they didn't see a need to bloat it up.
I wouldn't mind if Android needed a 650MB-1GB install as long as it works well.
Here's a snippet, you will be able to find more if you google it....though I can't find a reason as to why myself.

Hi,
I don't know if VS did their own work or may have used stuff from the Android X86 project:
http://www.android-x86.org/
or something similar (I think that there are other efforts like this)...
As you can see, the project is currently on 1.6, but:
http://www.android-x86.org/#What_we_are_working_on_now
says their working on Froyo:
What we are working on now
Port Froyo to x86 (froyo-x86 branch)
OpenGL hardware accelerator to froyo-x86 (olv, cwhuang)
New x86 toolchain (cwhuang)
Ethernet update (Yi)
Automount for new vold (cwhuang)
New target sparta (Doug)
New target viewpad10 (Al Sutton)
New target viliv s5 (okwon)
Mplayer porting (okwon
BTW, if you have a Windows PC, you can actually run that Android (1.6) on it. I had done that earlier, before getting my Gtab.
Jim

As one of the members pointed out, and if you check out the hands ons that have been done recently, ViewPad10 does indeed use Androidx86 project. GREAT News is, they just released Froyo-x86 (http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2) and there is a specific ISO for the ViewPad10. I actually just ordered 5 from one of my vendors (1 to keep and 4 to sell) so I am definitely going to pop that Froyo-x86 in mine and see how it whirls! I'm very excited by the prospects of a dual boot Froyo7 tablet!

Did you load the 2.2 iso onto one, and if so how well did it work? I just want to use a copy of android so I can use the apps I already bought for my phone.

Some of the latest so called 'dual-boot' tablets are actually going to be using an android virtual machine which will run within windows.
If anyone's comfortable compiling their own kernel and drivers then they stand a chance of 'rolling their own' VM otherwise unless someone with the knowhow takes up the banner for a particular device, I would consider this option out of reach.

Which tablet devices have you seen running an Android VM? I ran the 2.2 live USB on my VPad10 but it was missing wifi. Everything else seems to run great. Its fast and functional! Except the wifi. :-(
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the v10 specific iso didn't support wifi?!?!?!?

VPad and Froyo
I've picked up a VPad10 and have tried upgrading Android to 2.2 and have found that the interface buttons seemed out of place . I had a hard time moving backwards through the various pages - I had to tap the upper right corner on the bar and tap a second time in order to move back to the previous screen.
I found the interface too different from the standard to make it useful. I've since reverted back to 1.6
I had difficulty loading the Froyo (.img.gz) version. I've tried opening the gz on my Linux machine (vcersus my Windows box) and still get the same problem. Can the Froyo beta be loaded as iso image like the others, it would make my life easier?

I placed an order for the 10" gtablet the other day. This thread saved me from some dissapointment by trying to save a couple bucks.
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Is ios superior?

are iPhones and ipod touches far more advanced technically Than the play or other Android phones? I ask because ios app store has some great games like prince of Persia (the ps2 version) yet Android is lagging behind? Why?
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Well, the reason is because Android is widespread and open to many different hardware, as IOS is only available on one identical unit.
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
iOS is much more consistent because there aren't any devices that are stronger or weaker, because they're all the exact same hardware, so optimizing is a cinch, while Android developers have to focus on SO many different devices, processors, etc.

Selim873 said:
Well, the reason is because Android is widespread and open to many different hardware, as IOS is only available on one identical unit.
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
iOS is much more consistent because there aren't any devices that are stronger or weaker, because they're all the exact same hardware, so optimizing is a cinch, while Android developers have to focus on SO many different devices, processors, etc.
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This.
But ICS is pretty much putting everything behind and putting us ahead of iOS

Thanks. Now I understand. So is the play inferior to the iPhone 4s technically?
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KindaUndisputed said:
Thanks. Now I understand. So is the play inferior to the iPhone 4s technically?
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If you think PC is inferior to Mac.

Selim873 said:
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
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So what does that make Windows Phone 7?
Android = Linux

It was about the hardware, not OS
The Alpha Gamer said:
So what does that make Windows Phone 7?
Android = Linux
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Yes, Android is Linux.
But Selim873 was pointing to hardware fragmentation. You cannot buy a Mac and put the video card you want. You cannot get a mac with the processor you want. There is no Nvidia/Intel/AMD processors to choose from, nor the 32/64 bits thing in Mac.
Apple has complete control over the hardware and you can only buy what they sell and they sell the same thing to everybody. it is not like that on PC, where you can have a PC with different processors/graphic cards/ram/hard disks/whatever you want.
So the fragmentation on Android hardware allows us to have dual screen devices, gamepads, physical keyboards, etc, but it also increases the amount of drivers people need to work with and the amount of optimization needed to release anything. On IOS you have only one thing and everybody have the same, so it is easier to optimize.

I sold in my iPhone 4 the instant I heard that you didn't have to "jailbreak" it to install emulators and your own custom apps. So IMO iOS is vastly inferior to android.
Pretty much the same thing when I bought a Mac, traded that in when I realized none of my games could run on it other than Half Life 2 series (which I had already played the he11 out of btw) (Mac OS 5-9 Was better than OS-X ANY day IMO) so I got an Alienware M15X which was more powerful for less money, plus I got a couple of Mac OS 9 PPC's which actually run

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I sold in my iPhone 4 the instant I heard that you didn't have to "jailbreak" it to install emulators and your own custom apps. So IMO iOS is vastly inferior to android.
Pretty much the same thing when I bought a Mac, traded that in when I realized none of my games could run on it other than Half Life 2 series (which I had already played the he11 out of btw) (Mac OS 5-9 Was better than OS-X ANY day IMO) so I got an Alienware M15X which was more powerful for less money, plus I got a couple of Mac OS 9 PPC's which actually run
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True I have a Ipod and a Ipad as well as the Tablet S and Xperia Play On android the developers are faced with a challenge to optimize the devices for games on IOS they have to do It once forever.
But to get true grip of your IDevice you have to "Jailbreak" and Avoid you warranty .
On android we can custimize Our Stock rom to what ever we Like Home Launchers apps Widgets.
MAC=iDevice
Windowss/Linux=Android
Now look at which one is better you can also download files on the go on android, install different markets upgrade your memory when ever you like etc.....
People think of android as a Slave its a heavy System to run but it payes of in the end .
You decide if you prefer Fixed Specs or Changeable soecs

As an operating system iOS is better than Android. But iPhones in general are not better than Androids. Why? 3.5" screens, that's why .
iOS is very solid, I am a game tester for EA's mobile division and the kind of punishment it takes puts it in front compared to Androids.
But then again iOS is an anti-democratic ****, that gives you absolutely no freedom, so no matter how well built it is, it's still going to be trash from a smartphone's perspective (until you jailbreak it)

unix linux android
Unix=Linux=Android
Unix= 100% coding base.
Linux= 50% Code 50% graphic
Android= Perfect build Graphical System with Coding Support.
Android going to be No 1 sooooooooooooon... cheers...

You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient

AtomicKoala said:
You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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Explain how windows isn't secure and efficient if you're not computer savvy?

AtomicKoala said:
You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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Like I said, Linux

So I dont start my anti-ios rant please see my comment here>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256874. I get a but sensitive & worked up when I get myself started talking about freedom.lmao.
Sent from the tuffest android ever...xplay...crowd cheers.

Voice of confidence.!

I am a beginner on this page. I am writing this to backup the other developers on this form. A lot of people who has been going around on the surface forum repeating over and over fat some functions will never work. I've been around modding phones since when Windows Mobile 3 came out back when I was in middle school. I remember when Windows Mobile came out a website called geekstoolbox.com whats the phone for many modders to build custom firmware for Windows Phones. I remembered and middle school it was difficult to make certain improvements because Windows Mobile phones were close systems. I remember then listen to visit on the forum who actually broken too the phone am I allowed a dump of data to flow in Internet of his phone start new custom ROM custom firmware revolution to begin. Afterwards, I begin saying revolutionary products such as wifi tether, Bluetooth tethering, Mobile sharing, and in custom OS. to those web visiting thi about s forum repeating over and over and over, that there would be no Windows based x86 programs on when does RT we'll be eating crow when it finally does happen within the next few months. I see it being possible when you consider if someone will, compile a virtual machine enabling many features of Windows 8 x86. Furthermore, suppose it becomes like parallels Macintosh. In addition, maybe someone will develop 8 translator package for Windows 82 windows Rt to understand each other's programs. all that I am saying is please do not be downers and out other people expressions about this tablet and is always
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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.

See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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They use virtual machines, but they're slow to the point of complete uselessness. It takes half an hour to boot XP in them.

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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.

schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps

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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Wine on x86 linux isn't emulating the CPU. This is a critical difference.

schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.

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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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d'oh! flip flopping between windows phone 8 and windows RT Yep, 4 arm cores. Still like trying to emulate a V8 with an inline4.

netham45 said:
I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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Instead of emulating an entire OS, would anyone entertain the idea of a program translator; A program could be build with the libraries of some main OS'es. Within the translator, when an x86 program is called the programs determines what operating systems' library to use. The translator would then render a version of the program Windows with RT can understand.
Couldn't this be likely.

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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
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I believe I no what the issue with these are.......... Bochs and DosBox do not allow users to control processing cores for each emulation. These emulators need to be updated to take advantage of this feature, it's a blessing for other OS'es

There's already a translator project much like what you describe, actually. It's early alpha quality right now, only able to run a few apps and those slowly and with stability problems, but it's a very promising proof of concept. The developer is using the DOSBox dynamic recompilation engine, optimized for THUMB-2 (ARM variant that Windows uses) with some hacks in it to remove support for stuff that only the kernel has to care about like page tables and whatnot (these hacks apparently substantially increase speed). The recompilation engine is not currently thread-safe, which means it has to run on a single core (although it's possible that the translated program itself might be able to run across multiple cores; I don't know for sure) but the possibility of fixing that is being investigated.
The project is on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum, and there's a download link for it and a (mostly playable) demo of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 as an example of what it can currently do.

Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
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Currently this is the porting method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096820&highlight=arm
Requires visual studio to cross compile from a desktop windows machine.

Surface running andriod?

Anybody successfully ran native android on the Surface or Surface pro? I sall a video but no Wifi or Bluetooth were working he said. AnywayIf so has anyone heard of any plans for running it on the 2nd Surface?

Surface RT and surface 2, nothing has changed. Use search, there are threads for it already.
Surface pro. Android x86, but its poorly supported. Also Android-IA, poorly supported on the surface but working for one of the samsung tablets.

Right ok... I thought so its a shame that nobodys supporting it to well

Why the lolz would anyone want to run android on a surface pro?

No android apps need the raw CPU performance. Many games dont support x86. Can get a (poor) android tablet for the cost of the type cover for the surface.

So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.

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So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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Jar Of Beans is better than bluestacks. Android on x86 devices isn't much better when you factor in driver issues (wifi and bluetooth are often unsupported, even touch and sound go, androidIA only supports specific devices because they only have drivers for those devices) plus any app using the NDK (quite a few, even some of the built in apps) tend to only be compiled for ARMv7, not MIPS or x86, so alot of apps are broken (many of the google defaults thankfully are available in x86 variants, but you cant just copy them from your ARM phone or tablet as they will only have the ARMv7 binary not the x86 binary). Its just awkward.

Aw thats awesome! Interesting but its discontinued I wonder why I hope that doesn't cause and problems

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So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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But windows 8 alone can do things android only dreams about...

Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games

hacktheplant said:
Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games
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Windows 8 on x86 has probably more mods and hacks than all versions of android combined...
You can even make it look like windows 95 if you want...

I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!

hacktheplant said:
I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!
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This is true