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Well I have used phones like HTC G1 & G2, they were good phones but a little less performing. Which is a good Android phone right now that has pretty high specs.
I am looking to spend upto £250/$500 (for a used phones). And I am looking for a smooth running phone like good graphic ability and stuff, so hit away...
HTC Desire HD!
Desire HD or the upcoming motorola atrix? But you'll have to rise your limits a bit.
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Thanks guys, looked up the Desire HD, looks kinda expensive =/. Motorola Atrix, how much are we looking at?
Well off contract it might be cheaper since its moto. Id say around 550<600. Not bad nowadays.
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A few questions you should make your self:
What operating system you prefer?
WP7-WM-Android-Rest
Keyboard or not?
Size?
Said that and based on your 1st post I would consider the HTD Desire Z
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A few questions you should make your self:
What operating system you prefer?
WP7-WM-Android-Rest
Keyboard or not?
Size?
Said that and based on your 1st post I would consider the HTD Desire Z
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Wise man speaking. Or G2! Amazing piece of phones
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I'm kind of disappointed about HTC. They making 10 new android phones per quarter.
Mytouch 4G looks cheap to me. G2 nothing new, except the keyboard. I bet there would be G3 soon, or some other kind of phone better than G2.
I think HTC should slow down a bit and create a Master phone that would kick ass of all phones around.
Samsung - I don't feel confident with them. Had a lot of troubles in the past with their cell phones. A friend owns Galaxy S, which glitchis like hell (could be just a bad phone though).
Motorola - Maybe, but issue with Cliq update and Motoblur make me reconsider the choice.
There are new LGs comming soon. With Tegra 2 processor. I had no experience with LGs at all. Lets wait and see how it will go.
PS: Just personal point of view. I too want to buy a phone, but I keep telling myself to wait a bit longer to see what it will be like in a month.
Yeah true, I personally only like HTC.
Well lets see, checklist:
Android
Keyboard if possible then better but not needed
Minimum display size 3"
I just hate windows mobile, just never liked it.
Need to check out the desire Z now.
I've had this phone since it came out in November and usually me being the tech whore that I am would get bored really quick and lust for the next big thing. As of now, I'm still loving this phone. I've rooted, on CM7, configured my screens the way I like it and sometimes I notice me touching and holding the phone just for the sake of it. Could this finally be love?? I feel like I just found a great girl and stopped going out trying to get with club chicks. lol!
Even when I go to the tech sites and checking out the new phones coming out in Barcelona, I'm like meh, I got a good "girl" at home, I'm not lusting after them. Damn, I must be getting old! hahahaha!
Yeah I said the same thing. Why did sense have so many features from espresso with the sliding bars and such only phone I even consider was the desire s cause it reminded me of the nexus one.
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i share the same love as u guys. it's simple, the device meets our needs for an internet phone, and more, once rooted. how can u not fall in love with it? if u get a fully functional one, i mean.
I love this phone too! No other phone can compare yet. I'm like you, I always go for the newest toy but I've been holding on. However, the Optimus 2x might win me over.
Normally I am looking for a new phone by now (always like the latest tech) but not so much with this phone. It might take the next mytouch to get me away from my current one. I've said this many times, this phone just works.
Same here, I've changed phones a lot recently, jumping on the newest one out. At this point though, I'm acknowledging more that this phone can do pretty much everything the newest ones out can do.
About dual cores, I say "Eh.." Higher megapixel camera? Eh.. NFC? That won't be useful until maybe late this year.
Until something groundbreaking comes out that this phone can't do or do well, I'm sticking with it.
Yeah, this phone is rockin'. Even a lot of the newer phones being announced are still below spec compared to this phone - even more so when rooted, devoid of bloat, and OCed. It'll probably take a year before this thing is made "obsolete." This and the HTC Thunderbolt are the most exciting phones right now IMO.
agreed. im so happy i got to own a good one in the end. it freakin flyes.
i love my phone....
I agree 100%. My wife often tells me I'm cheating on her with my phone, my on reply is, "Sorry babe it's the other way around, I'm cheating on my phone with you." Drives her nuts. I gave her my Vibrant and traded my HD7 to get the myTouch, and I'm not getting rid of "her" anytime soon...
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I agree 100%. My wife often tells me I'm cheating on her with my phone, my on reply is, "Sorry babe it's the other way around, I'm cheating on my phone with you." Drives her nuts. I gave her my Vibrant and traded my HD7 to get the myTouch, and I'm not getting rid of "her" anytime soon...
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I'm thinking about getting an hd7 why didn't you like it?
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hd7 was boring to me, only two screens and the only customization you could do is change the color and add tiles....
id say the only kewl feature was having xbox live on it and being able to play games and unlock achievements....
the OS is nice and smooth but just plain boring for me......i wanted to get rid of the phone so bad that i traded the phone for a brand new MT4G and 100 cash....
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I agree 100%. My wife often tells me I'm cheating on her with my phone, my on reply is, "Sorry babe it's the other way around, I'm cheating on my phone with you." Drives her nuts. I gave her my Vibrant and traded my HD7 to get the myTouch, and I'm not getting rid of "her" anytime soon...
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I did the same exact thing. Trade the hd7 for this phone and I'm more than happy with it.
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i think HD7 it kinda big
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I'm thinking about getting an hd7 why didn't you like it?
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As a hd7/windows phone 7 user, i say go for it
it is a great phone and much more than 2 screens and you will love the experience with it vs android
and the social networking aspect of wp7 is definitely much better then what android has to offer(unless u get a blur device)
most ppl saying no to the hd7 are biased towards android
and if it's too big, that's why they have different variations of phones
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I love this phone too! No other phone can compare yet. I'm like you, I always go for the newest toy but I've been holding on. However, the Optimus 2x might win me over.
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I was holding out getting the mt4g for a long time because I knew there was something better right around the corner (isn't there aways something right around the corner hah). Once I heard the rumors of the optimus 2x coming to tmobile, u knew u was right to wait. But then tmobile ran the free mt4g promotion last week. It was too good a deal to pass up, so I jumped on it. No regrets.
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As a hd7/windows phone 7 user, i say go for it
it is a great phone and much more than 2 screens and you will love the experience with it vs android
and the social networking aspect of wp7 is definitely much better then what android has to offer(unless u get a blur device)
most ppl saying no to the hd7 are biased towards android
and if it's too big, that's why they have different variations of phones
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And ur not biased to wp7? Lol I actually don't care that much but I am curious to the advantages of wp7? I will never leave Android but I am just wondering?
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After using plenty of windows mobile phones it has discouraged me to even look at another one...even the new win7 phones
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Win7 Phone OS is just plain boring to me coming from android there's no customization you can actually do maybe if we give the OS a year or so they'll be able to step it up and listen to the community. I get the feeling Win7 users are mostly coming from BBs.
Hmmmmmm, has anyone upgraded from a HD2?
I had a HD7 and it's just sad. No ability to customze anything.
So, I kept my HD2. I install ROMs as often as I change clothes. But, it is getting old.
I really want a Robot native device that performs well and has 4G capability.
The wife has a Vibrant and holly crap. That thing is the bigest pile of crap. I feel bad that I got it for her. It's slow, the XDA Support sucks since no one really seems to like it.
I been seeing the MyTouch 4g and it seems intersting.
Thoughts?
Alright, So my brother is looking to get a Refurbished Verizon smartphone.
All he basically wants to do on it is browse the web, check email, and light gaming. His choices are the Samsung Fascinate (I have this one), Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid 2 Global.
I want your opinion on which you think the best smartphone out of these phones is.
Thank You.
Then he doesn't need a smartphone.
what do you mean?
If your brother only wants to check email, browse the internet and game here and there why does he need a smartphone?
I can tell you right now, that 3/4 people on these forums don't NEED a smartphone. He's just jumping on the bandwagon, I don't really use a smartphone for what its intended for.
P.S. what do YOU use your smartphone for?
I just need opinions, not wether he need a smartphone or not.
If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, the HTC Trophy (Windows Phone 7) should be annouced soon. Windows Phone 7 has gotten tons of great reviews and is claimed to blow away Android and the iPhone in the performance end. It does everyting you want and even has Xbox live support (a lot of great games).
Just a thought if your not fixed on Android...
Main reason why I bought my HD2 was to mod it, watch movies, browse internet on the huge screen, listen to music, text,... but if i had to choose between the phones you listed I would go with the Fascinate. My friend has one and the screen on that thing is pretty beast.
Ohh yeah but if he could wait i would be all over the htc thunderbolt haha
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I can tell you right now, that 3/4 people on these forums don't NEED a smartphone. He's just jumping on the bandwagon, I don't really use a smartphone for what its intended for.
P.S. what do YOU use your smartphone for?
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If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, the HTC Trophy (Windows Phone 7) should be annouced soon. Windows Phone 7 has gotten tons of great reviews and is claimed to blow away Android and the iPhone in the performance end. It does everyting you want and even has Xbox live support (a lot of great games).
Just a thought if your not fixed on Android...
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Thanks for the feedback, but since he's getting a refurb those are the current choices he has, but thanks anyway
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Main reason why I bought my HD2 was to mod it, watch movies, browse internet on the huge screen, listen to music, text,... but if i had to choose between the phones you listed I would go with the Fascinate. My friend has one and the screen on that thing is pretty beast.
Ohh yeah but if he could wait i would be all over the htc thunderbolt haha
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Now thats what i'm looking for, but like i said hes going for a refurb, so i doubt he would get the Thunderbolt pre-owned. (i wish opon a star)
Anyone else want to share their opinions or should I just tell him to get a Fascinate?
I say Fascinate. It will do everything he wants with it still being stock.
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Alright, So my brother is looking to get a Refurbished Verizon smartphone.
All he basically wants to do on it is browse the web, check email, and light gaming. His choices are the Samsung Fascinate (I have this one), Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid 2 Global.
I want your opinion on which you think the best smartphone out of these phones is.
Thank You.
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would the phone choice be dependent upon who he has as a carrier? I like my evo, and Droid Incredible and my son has an Evo Shift he really likes. My son did have a Samsung Epic that he did NOT like.
All of the aforementioned phones will do exactly what your brother wants out of his phone, whether it be smart or not. However, out of past experiences, I would say the Droid OS is pretty stable, and becomes even better when flashed
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All of the aforementioned phones will do exactly what your brother wants out of his phone, whether it be smart or not. However, out of past experiences, I would say the Droid OS is pretty stable, and becomes even better when flashed
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Moto Droid?
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More opinions? He's coming over tomorrow so I can help choose a phone.
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(I have Verizon)
So I see that the Bionic is going to be dual core, better resolution etc. And it’s all over the internet that it appeared on Amazon for $149 for a few hours. So I would be an idiot to get the Thunderbolt now for $199 right? I mean even if I did want the thunderbolt I should wait for the Bionic because the TB’s price will go way, way down if the Bionic is $149..!
Anyone know when the Bionic will be out? I have seen post that it could be any time, others that it will be June...
A guy I work with has been looking for a new phone for at least a year now, constantly putting it off because there is something better around the corner.
Personally I really love Sense UI on my desire HD - it seems far better than motoblur, or any of the other UI overlays I've seen.
Yeah I know all about the putting it off thing. But these are big differences. The Thunderbolt is going to be like one of the last very top single core phones... Screw that.
If all phones are 2 or 3 months from all being dual core I want to wait.
Plus the Bionic has the bigger screen res and the dual core Nvidia CPU!
These are not little differences…
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Yeah I know all about the putting it off thing. But these are big differences. The Thunderbolt is going to be like one of the last very top single core phones... Screw that.
If all phones are 2 or 3 months from all being dual core I want to wait.
Plus the Bionic has the bigger screen res and the dual core Nvidia CPU!
These are not little differences…
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So what the **** was the point of this post? Jesus
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So what the **** was the point of this post? Jesus
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Since I posted it I have convinced myself even more! Lol
And I’m waiting for a post from someone saying I should wait for the Bionic too to make me feel better about it! lol
And unlike your friend I’m not waiting for “a better phone”… Its between the Thunderbolt and the Bionic only… I guess if the Galaxy S II came out I would think about it a little, but not much…
So it’s all about when the Bionic will come out and how much it will be when it does….
does seem very much like you've made up your mind
I seem to get burnt every time I stray from HTC. The big decider for me is actually holding one in my hands and playing with it - I've been all for a certain phone til I held it and thought "wow... feels a bit cruddy" hence why I have a Desire HD rather than a Galaxy S.
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does seem very much like you've made up your mind
I seem to get burnt every time I stray from HTC. The big decider for me is actually holding one in my hands and playing with it - I've been all for a certain phone til I held it and thought "wow... feels a bit cruddy" hence why I have a Desire HD rather than a Galaxy S.
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I appreciate that but I am not a brand loyalty guy…
I go ATI or NVIDA, Intel or AMD, Motorola or HTC, who cares… I want best bang for the buck period.
That changes all the time and so I change what I buy all the time. I have never not been "burnt" a little by any brand... They all have their pros and cons...
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I appreciate that but I am not a brand loyalty guy…
I go ATI or NVIDA, Intel or AMD, Motorola or HTC, who cares… I want best bang for the buck period.
That changes all the time and so I change what I buy all the time. I have never not been "burnt" a little by any brand... They all have their pros and cons...
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I gotta agree with the HTC sentiment. You will be much better off with HTC than with Motorola or Samsung. HTC phones are just superb, in my opinion. I have an Inspire 4G (HTC Desire HD) as well as an HTC HD2 and I had an HTC HD7. All are and were (hardware wise for the HD2 and HD7) excellent and superbly reliable and well built. My Inspire is the friggin love of my gadget life. I have not ever owned a phone like the Inspire that ever impressed me as much as it has. The Thunderbolt is basically the exact same as the Inspire/Desire HD except with front facing camera and other stuff...the LTE radio, as well.
If I were going to Verizon, the Thunderbolt would be my no-thought, no-blink choice. The Bionic is pretty much Verizon's version if the Atrix from AT&T. It has had some issues and the UI isn't as smooth as Sense 2.0. Plus if you want to customize, Motorola isn't too keen on an open platform. The Bionic looks good in specs and appearance, but that only goes so far. At the end of the day, the Thunderbolt will keep impressing you.
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I gotta agree with the HTC sentiment. You will be much better off with HTC than with Motorola or Samsung. HTC phones are just superb, in my opinion. I have an Inspire 4G (HTC Desire HD) as well as an HTC HD2 and I had an HTC HD7. All are and were (hardware wise for the HD2 and HD7) excellent and superbly reliable and well built. My Inspire is the friggin love of my gadget life. I have not ever owned a phone like the Inspire that ever impressed me as much as it has. The Thunderbolt is basically the exact same as the Inspire/Desire HD except with front facing camera and other stuff...the LTE radio, as well.
If I were going to Verizon, the Thunderbolt would be my no-thought, no-blink choice. The Bionic is pretty much Verizon's version if the Atrix from AT&T. It has had some issues and the UI isn't as smooth as Sense 2.0. Plus if you want to customize, Motorola isn't too keen on an open platform. The Bionic looks good in specs and appearance, but that only goes so far. At the end of the day, the Thunderbolt will keep impressing you.
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Agreed... I'm not one for brand loyalty, they all seem to have their ups and downs. HTC is on a great roll currently, and still seem to have something to prove.
My last phone was a sony and it was a horiffic letdown, as was my wifes X10. Both were some of the best around on paper. Premium price, nice design, AWFUL build quality and rotten support.
The other big plus is HTC tend to keep updating their handsets - the old desire is still getting 'em! Most other companies tend to stop caring once they have your money.
HTC is the RollsRoyce of phones
Rumor has it when the bionic comes out, it will come with new data pricing for 4G. Possibly tiered and higher rates.
You don't want the thunderbolt because its basically a refresh of the EVO. Tbolt has a better screen, 2nd generation qualcomm, better camera, more memory pre installed, new kickstand design, louder speaker, and its 4G at 30 bucks unlimited. All these reasons are not enough to get the phone now. ........sarcasm.
Get your bionic and have motoblur ... Yuck. Plus the bionic is ugly phone. Your truly going to sacrifice everything just for a first generation dual core phone?! ........besides you want a dual core dual channel phone but that's another story.
So far the only reason anyone has given to get the Thunderbolt is because they think HTC is better than Motorola. That is not a valid reason.
Anything else?
Hey guys,
As we all probably know, most of us are not happy with motorola's product the XT720 and some of us are stuck with it just because we paid so much for the phone. The locked bootloader and poor support are just a few reasons to hate moto.
I'm interested in knowing what your next device would most probably be when eventually you want to move on and ditch motorola. For me it'd most likely be either a google product or something from the samsung range. Unlocked boatloaders, great support and constant updates + powerful hardware. Please enlighten me!
too early for me to say for sure as i dont have plans to get anything new anytime soon, but: 1: not motorola 2: probably either a SE device as i love how they look and they seem sincere in their support for their devices or a nexus line. all subject to change of course
In October, I can get me a new mobile (I can extend my contract). If nothing better comes in, then I will choose one of the following devices:
-Motorola Atrix
-Motorola Milestone 3
-HP Pre 3 (yeah, WebOS fascinates me )
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In October, I can get me a new mobile (I can extend my contract). If nothing better comes in, then I will choose one of the following devices:
-Motorola Atrix
-Motorola Milestone 3
-HP Pre 3 (yeah, WebOS fascinates me )
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Booo motorola . Good devices though.
While we're considering other OSs I'm intrigued by the Nokia WP7 device. WP7 actually looks very attractive, smooth and fluid - I just worry I would get bored of it after a little bit to be honest. WebOS has some nice features but I'm concerned about lack of apps and support for it and also it doesn't look as attractive as Android or WP7 to me.
I will get soon Samsung vibrant I will NEVER buy Motorola again.
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I will get soon Samsung vibrant I will NEVER buy Motorola again.
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xt720 out performs vibrant. ive ran the paces on them both. Cinci bell just got the HTC panache which is basically a mytouch 4g, so thats what im gettin next when ever i quite havin car problems and can buy a new phone.
first of all, No More Motocraper unless it comes with unlocked bootloader
love the XT720's cool look design but hate the moto
next would be Samsung galaxy II or
HTC scorpian
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Samsung or HTC for me. Unless moto phones will be shipped with unlocked bootloaders.
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SGS2 for me.. keeping my hands off from HTC till they fix the deathgrip issue, and also their recent flip-flopping on signed bootloaders makes me think thrice..
HP Palm still pre not very stable...
Motorola Atrix? Afaik there is already speeches about it's glass e.t.c, but battery power 1960mAh..
MS3? When it will be...
For me: new nexus from google... maybe.
As i can say: NO, NO,NO to htc and moto.
Everyone else.. maybe..
My contract is also expiring next month, so I'm looking for new handset already. So, what's in my mind???
1. Motorola Atrix
Ya, most of you will said no more Motocrap. I always like Moto's hardware quality. So, if and only if they unlock the bootloader and it is possible to install custom roms like CM7, then I would take it. (There is already a leaked rom with unlocked bootloader. Everything is working except it's just not official update)
2. LG Optimus Black
This slim and shady guy is very slim and light-weighted. And truly it is a hacker's phone. Nothing is locked down. opened booloader, open NAND, now CM7 is already on the way to this phone. The problem is, LG's hardware quality is crap. And I also have doubt that this one would qualify.
3. Samsung Galaxy S II
Like it very very much. It has been a dreamed phone for me recently. But it's a bit pricy. S$348 with 2 years contract @ Starhub. Unless they give me a $200 discount voucher, I won't buy this phone.
4. Google Nexus S
If the 3 above is not applicable, this guy will be mine. No SD slot but 16Gb of NAND drive is more than enough for me. Though one this is still bugging me, no HDMI output. hmmm
guys, let me hear your suggestion. which one shall I take?
Just checked out the ATRIX. Wow, lol I want one. Its uncanny how even after the XT720 motorola continues to seduce me...haha
Well I got the XT720 because of the Xenon flash.
Not many phones out there with a Xenon.. may have to switch to another OS whilst I wait for an Android device with Xenon.
Definitely iPhone
Hey please don't kill me. Haha JK
It should be definitely next Google Nexus phone. Yes Google Nexus is win!
The G3
Probably the Samsung Galaxy II
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The G3
Probably the Samsung Galaxy II
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Haha yes it could be.
But seriously I don't want to see N3 manufactured by Samsung!
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Haha yes it could be.
But seriously I don't want to see N3 manufactured by Samsung!
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A lot of rumors said that next Nexus hardware will be provided by LG. Featuring a next generation (Cortex A9???) 1.5 GHz processor. The name will be Nexus Prime.
Nokia with window phone 7 ^^
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My contract is also expiring next month, so I'm looking for new handset already. So, what's in my mind???
1. Motorola Atrix
Ya, most of you will said no more Motocrap. I always like Moto's hardware quality. So, if and only if they unlock the bootloader and it is possible to install custom roms like CM7, then I would take it. (There is already a leaked rom with unlocked bootloader. Everything is working except it's just not official update)
2. LG Optimus Black
This slim and shady guy is very slim and light-weighted. And truly it is a hacker's phone. Nothing is locked down. opened booloader, open NAND, now CM7 is already on the way to this phone. The problem is, LG's hardware quality is crap. And I also have doubt that this one would qualify.
3. Samsung Galaxy S II
Like it very very much. It has been a dreamed phone for me recently. But it's a bit pricy. S$348 with 2 years contract @ Starhub. Unless they give me a $200 discount voucher, I won't buy this phone.
4. Google Nexus S
If the 3 above is not applicable, this guy will be mine. No SD slot but 16Gb of NAND drive is more than enough for me. Though one this is still bugging me, no HDMI output. hmmm
guys, let me hear your suggestion. which one shall I take?
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if you like the galaxy s2 so much, you could always cross the border and buy it there, its only RM2099 (around SGD854) compared to SGD998, or wait for the cheaper galaxy Z (Tegra2/SLCD/5mp)..
Optimus Black and Nexus S is not in the same league as Atrix and SGS2, so those should not be compared directly..
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Booo motorola . Good devices though.
While we're considering other OSs I'm intrigued by the Nokia WP7 device. WP7 actually looks very attractive, smooth and fluid - I just worry I would get bored of it after a little bit to be honest. WebOS has some nice features but I'm concerned about lack of apps and support for it and also it doesn't look as attractive as Android or WP7 to me.
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The app cataloque on WebOS has about 4600 apps at the moment including Angry Birds. So yeah, not as much as Android yet, but it's definetly a lot and it will get more once the HP Touchpad comes out later this month
And lack of support? WebOS get updates every 6 weeks or so and upgrades when an upgrade is ready (most of the time, that is).