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Would you help me to male the right choice?

Would you please help me to make the best choice?
Hello Guys! How is it going? I'm a newbie here and i'm quite confused about the next phone that i'm gonna get.
The phones i choosed are the next:
Motorola Atrix 2 (1gb dual channel ram, 8mp, FullHD recording with single led flash, android 2.3.5 with Motorola's custom UI, 8 GB internal storage, Full qHD 540x960 resolution with 4.3" capacitive Multitouchscreen TFT LCD Screen with Corning gorilla glass, VGA Front facing camera, strong battery life with 1785mAh, TI OMAP 4430 with dual 1GHz processor and Power SGX540 GPU)
Its $850 dollards with 90 day of warranty, originally came from ATT from usa, sim free.
In the other side the Samsung Galaxy SII (4.3" Super AMOLED Plus with Corning Gorilla Glass capacitive Multitouchscreen, WVGA 480x800 resolution, 1GB of Single channel RAM, 16 GB of internal Storage, Android 2.3.3 with TouchWiz 4.0, 8MP Camera with single LED Flash, FullHD video recording, it has a Dual 1.2GHz Exynos Processor from SAMSUNG with MALI-400MP GPU, 1650 mAh Battery, 2.0 mp Front Facing Camera, Very thin by the way..
It's $594 dollards with 1 Year Full official warranty with Rovery secure.
The atrix is a HSPA+ Capable, both have 3G, 32GB Memory card support, Atrix has HDMI output and webtop support, SAMSUNG Offers possibility to read external storage devices and usb hubs with usb cable.
I'm worried about overheating, and its harware resistance
Wich one would you say that i should go with?
Thanks for your help, by te way i'm Argentinian, i live in the south of America.
Thats not an important fact but will male you understand why do i write english that bad.
I actually own a Motorola Defy and i Like it, never tried Samsung, however theres about 250 dollars of difference in the middle, dont want to waste more for something worst.. thank y!ou

Your focus should be on software updates
Your focus appears to be on hardware. Although hardware is important you need to also consider choosing a manufacturer who provides timely Android updates. You don't want a super phone with great hardware specs running an old version of Android because the manufacturer/carrier won't upgrade to the latest Android.
Those who say "you can just put cyanogen or a custom rom on it" don't listen to them. Without drivers and other source for your specific phone it will take a long time to get a stable custom rom on your phone if the manufacturer never releases source/drivers for that specific model you own.
Also, Motorola/Carrier locks their bootloaders. Could be a problem with custom kernels.
Samsung is famous for not really updating Android on their phones.
HTC is probably better on updates.
Basically, get a Nexus phone. The new Galaxy Nexus should be released in the US sometime this century hopefully. Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S are both made by Samsung, but Google controls the operating system updates on the Nexus line of phones.

SamsungVibrant said:
Your focus appears to be on hardware. Although hardware is important you need to also consider choosing a manufacturer who provides timely Android updates. You don't want a super phone with great hardware specs running an old version of Android because the manufacturer/carrier won't upgrade to the latest Android.
Those who say "you can just put cyanogen or a custom rom on it" don't listen to them. Without drivers and other source for your specific phone it will take a long time to get a stable custom rom on your phone if the manufacturer never releases source/drivers for that specific model you own.
Also, Motorola/Carrier locks their bootloaders. Could be a problem with custom kernels.
Samsung is famous for not really updating Android on their phones.
HTC is probably better on updates.
Basically, get a Nexus phone. The new Galaxy Nexus should be released in the US sometime this century hopefully. Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S are both made by Samsung, but Google controls the operating system updates on the Nexus line of phones.
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Haha, yes! You are right! I Focus too much in the hardware.. I always wanted to have a powerful beast in my pocket, a high end device that fits inside of my pocket that brings to me the possibility to perform as many task as i want just like in a desktop computer! I don't really complain too much about the android version, what i really care about that the android version it comes with is that it works fine, i mean, no bugs, no auto reboots, for example, few months ago i bought a Motorola Defy, quite nice device and still with stock 2.2.1 android, i overclocked and twaked it manually.. But it is still laggy, internet browsing is horrible.. A bit dissapointing.. i've been watching many reviews of Motorola Atrix 2 and Samsung Galaxy SII, I Love the samsung, but i thought that Atrix was more powerfull.. By the way, you are right about Motorola and android update.. I Think that Atrix 2 will die in 2.3.5 .. And the only way to get a Motorola with ICS is switching to Droid Razr.. Thats a bit unfair.. Thats one of the reasons to consider the Samsung.. Is quite pretty also, i wouldn't move from 2.3.3 if it works fine.. You know what i mean.. Something useful, powerful that fits in my pocket and a device that never fail to my daily use..! Google Nexus doesn't exist in Argentina and won't exist i think Here are laws that prohibits to import from other countries.. A bit hard to explain, my dream would be move to Miami and get my high end device for 100 bucks with a 2 years from Verizone.

Take the sgs2, have no regrets .
Softwarewise you can put any of the custom ROMs on it if you are bored and need something new.
Cyanogenmod is very good.

Quad Cores on HOLD for the US (AT&T).

It seems that there are a few carriers out there still having a hard time working with the advancements of Quad-Core devices and though the processors being used (Tegra 3 chips) aren't what we're use too (Snapdragons) there are a few carriers worried about whether or not they will be able to write software right away either.
HTC One X phone gets quad-core CPU -- except in U.S.
Progress doesn't come without a price and in the case of the new HTC One X smartphone, the price of running on AT&T's 4G LTE network in the U.S. will be a downgrade from a quad-core processor to a dual-core CPU.
The HTC One X will sit at the top of a new line of One smartphones, which the Taiwanese electronics maker showed off for the first time at the Mobile World Congress event in Barcelona.
The One X will sport a huge 4.7-inch touchscreen with 1,280 x 720 pixel resolution, 32 gigabytes of built-in storage, 1 gigabyte of RAM and an 8-megapixel/1080p rear camera. It'll also run Google's Android Ice Cream Sandwich operating system, topped with HTC's Sense user interface.
And when it begins to arrive at retailers in April, the One X will be part of a growing trend in Android handsets that feature quad-core processors, except for the U.S. variation, which will be called the One XL in Asia and Australia.
The U.S. version, which will be sold by AT&T, will ship with a 1.5-gigahertz, dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor rather than the quad-core Nvidia Tegra 3 processor. Dual-core is still plenty fast, but the difference is a bit disappointing as there are no quad-core phones sold here yet.
The reason for the CPU switcheroo is that Nvidia's processor lacked compatibility with AT&T's 4G LTE hardware when the One X was being developed. As first reported by CNet, phones with quad-core Tegra 3 chips and AT&T 4G LTE capability will arrive eventually, but the timing was off for the One X.
Another major feature for the One X and One XL will be the inclusion of Beats Audio, which HTC says will offer a better listening experience for music, videos and games. After all, what's the point of a $300-million deal with Beats By Dr. Dre if Beats Audio technology doesn't make it into your flagship phone?
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Story found here for more information and further links:http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...hanks-to-att-4g-lte-20120227,0,6217626.story
Personally my concern is that T-Mobile is picking up the One as well and even though T-Mo doesn't support LTE service this can still put us T-Mo customers at a disadvantage if the devices come to us as Dual-Cores. I've had my MT4G for a while now and though I got it for cheap money it's getting old as any phones life depletes in our community fairly fast considering the amount of flashing we all do, but with this being an option for the carriers including our own this might effect the cost between the Quad and Dual versions.
Well lets see where this puts us in a month or so but for now it looks like I'm buying a new extended-life battery online somewhere till the dust settles.
Example of what it should be.... But with a SD card slot....
HTC One X is an exquisite device that boasts the best of what current mobile technology has to offer, housing an NVIDIA quad-core Tegra 3 processor and featuring Android 4.0 with the HTC’s Sense 4.0 UI.
Other features of the HTC One X include:
Dimensions: 134.4 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm, 130 grams
Micro SIM
4.7″ HD LCD screen, with gorilla glass protection
1280×720 resolution
1.5 Ghz quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3 processor
1 GB RAM
32 GB built-in memory, no microSD slot
8MP rear camera with ImageSense, 1.3MP front camera
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
NFC support
1800 mAH battery
Beats Audio integration
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Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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invasion2 said:
Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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Well the concern is that all of these devices were to come solely as Quad Cores and there was a specific price point for it because of that, carriers in the US are known for changing the price point because they can get customers to pay the original price of the Quad Cores for the Dual Cores.
This pushes the price of the Quads up a little hitting our pockets and they realize our community will go after the better of the two, I think HTC should have just forced the carriers hand to work on the quad cores instead of giving them the option of downgrading the hardware.

Well T-Mobile is moving to LTE...invasion, I feel you pain bro, I wish I had enough money to buy an unlocked quad core but I would rather go to college lol. Anyway, I heard the quad core isn't better than the snapdragons
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invasion2 said:
Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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You're 14?
And I'm in college and don't plan on spending that type of money on a phone ever, I'd much rather buy a tablet, which I will soon be doing. Going for the new Asus tabs as soon as they come out.

Orical said:
It seems that there are a few carriers out there still having a hard time working with the advancements of Quad-Core devices and though the processors being used (Tegra 3 chips) aren't what we're use too (Snapdragons) there are a few carriers worried about whether or not they will be able to write software right away either.
Story found here for more information and further links:http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...hanks-to-att-4g-lte-20120227,0,6217626.story
Personally my concern is that T-Mobile is picking up the One as well and even though T-Mo doesn't support LTE service this can still put us T-Mo customers at a disadvantage if the devices come to us as Dual-Cores. I've had my MT4G for a while now and though I got it for cheap money it's getting old as any phones life depletes in our community fairly fast considering the amount of flashing we all do, but with this being an option for the carriers including our own this might effect the cost between the Quad and Dual versions.
Well lets see where this puts us in a month or so but for now it looks like I'm buying a new extended-life battery online somewhere till the dust settles.
Example of what it should be.... But with a SD card slot....
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Don't be fooled by the number of cores a phones has. The AT&T One X has a next gen S4 Dual-core cpu which is based off the ARM A15 core unlike the Tegra 3 which based on ARM A9 cores. The Qualcomm S4 Dual-core are as fast and in some cases faster then Tegra 3 4+1 cpu's due to the newer chip design. Its not a downgrade by any means.
T-mobile is getting the One S. That particular phone has always been specked with the S4 Dual-core cpu and will be HSPA+ 42 capable.

How many times will I have to write it... It just means that your average journalist is no less stupid than your average customer, and can't do a basic research. It might be forgivable for customers, some of which are just 14-year-old kids with no understanding of anything, but it's less forgivable for journalists who should at least pretend having a brain.
Here's a comparison between dual-core S4 and quad-core T3 by Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Looks like Tegra3 will have a hard time even trying to keep up.
And the funniest thing is that One S, if HTC won't cripple it intentionally, will be way more powerful than One X - because it will have both the CPU speed advantage and, with lower resolution, GPU advantage.
Plus, it's VERY old news already.

Jack_R1 said:
How many times will I have to write it... It just means that your average journalist is no less stupid than your average customer, and can't do a basic research. It might be forgivable for customers, some of which are just 14-year-old kids with no understanding of anything, but it's less forgivable for journalists who should at least pretend having a brain.
Here's a comparison between dual-core S4 and quad-core T3 by Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Looks like Tegra3 will have a hard time even trying to keep up.
And the funniest thing is that One S, if HTC won't cripple it intentionally, will be way more powerful than One X - because it will have both the CPU speed advantage and, with lower resolution, GPU advantage.
Plus, it's VERY old news already.
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Its not worth it....

smooth3d said:
Don't be fooled by the number of cores a phones has. The AT&T One X has a next gen S4 Dual-core cpu which is based off the ARM A15 core unlike the Tegra 3 which based on ARM A9 cores. The Qualcomm S4 Dual-core are as fast and in some cases faster then Tegra 3 4+1 cpu's due to the newer chip design. Its not a downgrade by any means.
T-mobile is getting the One S. That particular phone has always been specked with the S4 Dual-core cpu and will be HSPA+ 42 capable.
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My intention of posting this is to show how the market is effected over a network of carriers and manufacturers when product is effected by the investment through marketing and demand, as it's stated in the main post the chips were not going to work with the software planed for them so in turn they changed the device to run a better core (though half of what was originally advertised) to prevent having to re-write the framework.
If the case were specific to the fact that the Tegra chips were going to be the problem then why not pony up for the quad core snapdragons and boost the price for the device as they always have in the past, it's not like they're worried about what their going to charge the consumer as that's never been the case. Personally I would have just waited for a contract deal and weighed my options when it was time, I'm not one to just run out and buy something just because the "Advertised public hype" says it's the best thing since sliced bread I wait to see what happens after the lust settles to get the facts.

Quad-core Snapdragons were not on the market yet (and you can see that there are no devices with those scheduled to arrive at the time of release for One X/S), thus they couldn't be utilized, making your point void. AFAIK, Qualcomm's competitor to T3 is dual-core S4, and this is what the device manufacturers will be choosing from, until the quad-core phone-oriented S4 will arrive. The current 8064 is not suggested for LTE phone configuration - read this article, it'll help to understand, why:
http://gigaom.com/mobile/qualcomm-no-quad-core-phones-at-mwc-but-well-have-something-better/
The carriers had their choice, and chose what they thought would suit them the best, considering the time-to-market, the potential performance/battery life differences etc. That some journalist thinks their choice was wrong - doesn't necessarily mean that it is.

Jack_R1 said:
Quad-core Snapdragons were not on the market yet (and you can see that there are no devices with those scheduled to arrive at the time of release for One X/S), thus they couldn't be utilized, making your point void. AFAIK, Qualcomm's competitor to T3 is dual-core S4, and this is what the device manufacturers will be choosing from, until the quad-core phone-oriented S4 will arrive. The current 8064 is not suggested for LTE phone configuration - read this article, it'll help to understand, why:
http://gigaom.com/mobile/qualcomm-no-quad-core-phones-at-mwc-but-well-have-something-better/
The carriers had their choice, and chose what they thought would suit them the best, considering the time-to-market, the potential performance/battery life differences etc. That some journalist thinks their choice was wrong - doesn't necessarily mean that it is.
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Obviously there's a miss communication on how marketing works here, even though they may not have had the option previously doesn't mean they don't have it now. Point is valid. Now that I think of it the Snapdragons have been around for the minimum of a year and the Tegra have been used for twice that and if you read the what you posted it doesn't say the tegra cant do it but it states that it would do it poorly draining battery. I agree with you on that but your missing my point entirely which is with the options they have their going to use other reasons to charge the consumer for over looked issues they can and have the ability to change now.
And another thing though it seems to be old news too you others still have yet to see it, this is why people don't post anything they read anymore because some people have no problem trying to shoot down anything posted before a discussion actually produces anything constructive.

Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you don't understand how the market works - and I'm leaning for the 2nd option. For marketing to have something to show off and plan on, you have to have the actual HW (phone, that is) in the final readiness stage, which means that the HW has been developed for at least 1/2 year ahead of that time. 1 year from CPU manufacturing to phone sales is very good, 9 months is INCREDIBLY OUTSTANDING. Having the CPU ready at point X in time doesn't mean it can be used at that point - it means it can be used at the very least 9 months from that point. There are NO other phones and NOTHING to choose from 9 months ago - but the 2 choices you see now. The only other choice would be to skip international phone launch and wait until either T3+LTE modem combo of some kind is made functional (which could be already done, but we're talking 9 months time ahead, yes?), or to wait until Qualcomm prepares its quad-core for phones (which could also be already done, but again, 9 months ago it wasn't). So, let's see, what would you choose - participate in worldwide launch and use an equally powerful (if not even more powerful) version of the phone sporting LTE support to boot, which nobody else gets, or skip the launch. Oh well, let me think, a very hard choice, is it.
What also causes me to doubt you know what you're talking about, is the fact that Snapdragon-based phones have been around Android since Jan 2010 (Nexus One), and Tegra chipset saw first wide use only in its 2nd version, in Jan 2011 (Optimus 2X), a year later, and a couple more months till it was officially available in US. So it's actually 2 years of VERY widespread use for Snapdragon vs 1 year of spotty use (more tablets than phones - barely 2 phones or so, Atrix and Optimux 2X) for Tegra 2. Just the opposite of what you wrote.
For having smart discussions, there is a small prerequisite - both sides should know what they're talking about quite well. On this board, such a situation is rarely encountered. So sometimes it's better that people don't just run here posting everything they saw somewhere on the internet - especially if it's a 2nd-grade non-professional article in "business" section of some newspaper, and not a professional analysis article on one of the dedicated HW and Android-related sites.

Jack_R1 said:
Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you don't understand how the market works - and I'm leaning for the 2nd option. For marketing to have something to show off and plan on, you have to have the actual HW (phone, that is) in the final readiness stage, which means that the HW has been developed for at least 1/2 year ahead of that time. 1 year from CPU manufacturing to phone sales is very good, 9 months is INCREDIBLY OUTSTANDING. Having the CPU ready at point X in time doesn't mean it can be used at that point - it means it can be used at the very least 9 months from that point. There are NO other phones and NOTHING to choose from 9 months ago - but the 2 choices you see now. The only other choice would be to skip international phone launch and wait until either T3+LTE modem combo of some kind is made functional (which could be already done, but we're talking 9 months time ahead, yes?), or to wait until Qualcomm prepares its quad-core for phones (which could also be already done, but again, 9 months ago it wasn't). So, let's see, what would you choose - participate in worldwide launch and use an equally powerful (if not even more powerful) version of the phone sporting LTE support to boot, which nobody else gets, or skip the launch. Oh well, let me think, a very hard choice, is it.
What also causes me to doubt you know what you're talking about, is the fact that Snapdragon-based phones have been around Android since Jan 2010 (Nexus One), and Tegra chipset saw first wide use only in its 2nd version, in Jan 2011 (Optimus 2X), a year later, and a couple more months till it was officially available in US. So it's actually 2 years of VERY widespread use for Snapdragon vs 1 year of spotty use (more tablets than phones - barely 2 phones or so, Atrix and Optimux 2X) for Tegra 2. Just the opposite of what you wrote.
For having smart discussions, there is a small prerequisite - both sides should know what they're talking about quite well. On this board, such a situation is rarely encountered. So sometimes it's better that people don't just run here posting everything they saw somewhere on the internet - especially if it's a 2nd-grade non-professional article in "business" section of some newspaper, and not a professional analysis article on one of the dedicated HW and Android-related sites.
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Wow how's that high perception of yourself. Im actually surprised how easy it is for you to judge a top paid news publicist. I'll just leave the rest for you to continue your rant on how well educated you are and how well business does for you.
I'm not some kid with nothing better to do than sit around and rant, I saw the post which I placed as a reason to see what people thought, it shows the type of people that come on line though.

"Top paid publicist" is paid to make news items, not objective analysis. Objective analysis mostly doesn't interest people, it doesn't play with their emotions (which is usually a prerequisite for creating interest). To make interesting news, you need to forcibly inflate just about any issue you're writing about, in such way that would steer people's emotions. This is exactly what you're seeing in the newspaper.
And yes, being a "top paid engineer" that happens to work in this industry, makes you kinda judgmental. I understand that you don't have valid arguments left. OK then.

hmm tmo updated their account app to support android 4.0

Bangincrazy said:
hmm tmo updated their account app to support android 4.0
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Lol, old news. I said this in one of the dev threads about a week ago. This means some device, whether it's the sensation about to update or the one s is about to come out on T-Mo soon, will give us official ICS on T-Mo, meaning we're going to get wifi calling for ICS finally.

Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?

Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?
This article raised a very good question I've been wondering for a while now too:
http://www.zdnet.com/dear-android-manufacturers-please-sell-me-the-phone-that-i-want-7000006437/
There are plenty of android phones to choose from. But every North American manufacturer's flagship phones are 4.6+ inches and they just seem to be getting bigger! I don't want a bigger phone...but I want flagship hardware. How many >4.5 inch android phones have top tier hardware (quadcore, HD screen, top end GPU). ZERO.:crying:
The one thing I think Apple has right is the size of the iPhone 5. It fits very comfortably in your hand. I can fit the Galaxy Nexus in one hand, but I cannot reach all areas of the screen with my thumb if I have 4 fingers gripping the side of the phone. I can stretch if I put my pinky on the bottom and only 3 on the side, but if I add a case to the mix then it becomes uncomfortable again.
Now I admit I have smaller hands, but I'm sure others have this issue as well. I just was shocked to read through the comments on the story to see how many people avidly almost "attacked" the author for his opinion. Thinking it was ridiculous to expect options like this. And that people with smaller hands should just be content with outdated hardware on smaller phones.
Anyone else who wish the sizes would go back down? Or at least have options of smaller models with the same high end hardware? Was really hoping for a 4-4.3" Nexus 4...but I know that's not going to happen Oh well...here's to hoping it might happen with the Nexus 5...

I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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lowbudge said:
I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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to be honest i am absolutely agree with u.
now adays smartphone is used for browsing and multimedia rather than make a call and sms or email.
u can get samsung galaxy s3 mini at least.
IMHO. nexus series will look like this in the future. i believe google has make some kind of standardization of their phone model.
4.65 with a shape like galnex.
its not the screen size that i really concern. but the battery life...

There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.

The new Galaxy S3 Mini just came out! It has the SPECS of a flagship devices, but has a 4" screen!

I prefer big displays mainly because tiny onscreen keyboards are hard to use.

Alton (Halo 2) said:
There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
063_XOBX said:
Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.
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Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?

colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.

063_XOBX said:
4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.
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I didn't think about the buttons. I guess I couldn't really say unless I held it in my hands, but it seems noticeably smaller on paper:
Xiaomi MI-2 Dimensions:
126 x 62 x 10.2 mm (4.96 x 2.44 x 0.40 in)
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Samsung Galaxy Nexus I9250 Dimensions:
135.5 x 67.9 x 8.9 mm (5.33 x 2.67 x 0.35 in)
Not a HUGE difference...again, I'd prefer a 4" phone where the difference would be more noticeable. But if these specs can be squeezed into 4.3" on the cheap from a no name brand, my point is it's definitely possible to do 4" from a big name brand manufacturer.

colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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crazaytalent said:
I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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It is a common idea in North America that "bigger is better," as well as "more is better." Just check out the average BMI in the US... kinda high up there.... and it ain't muscle mass.... check out Texas as an example.
I too was very concerned with my future phone before I upgraded to the Gnex. I had a 4.3" Droid Charge. I thought that anything over 4.5" was pushing my limits, but I slowly became very comfortable with the current Gnex size. However, I still do not want anything larger than 4.65"... so I'm hoping the future Nexus phones after the Nexus 4 don't get any bigger.
Side note: w00t SF Giants FTW!!!!!

I think the current nexus screen size is perfect imo

maybe the nexus 3 will grant your wish?

I guess your the odd one out that manufacturers don't care about
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High end Android phone will never be released in 4inch. That's how they make them different from iphone in the first place. There are more ppl want bigger phone. And tbh, ppl use both hand to type even on iphone... 4inch high end flagship phone is... meh... it will never happen..
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colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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Smokeey said:
The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/

A 4" top tier device now would probably be way more costly to manufacture than the usual 4.5"+ screen size device. And there will probably be very very few quad cores, if any in a device that small. Battery and all the other top tier accoutrements just won't be feasible. You will have to settle for a sacrifice somewhere. Last years top end specs in 4" form factor is probably best you can expect for a year or two.
Off topic but I wish Samsung took a chance on the galaxy premier and made it just like the nexus instead of Samsung's typical hardware button accompanied by two capacitive buttons. Better GPU and CPU. And add stock android. Samsung is probably too scared to lose any marketshare by alienating a device. What is wrong with taking small chances on a mid end device? All the people skipping the lg nexus 4 would probably take a serious at the i9260 if it had Google's now standard software navigation, with upgraded specs aaaaaaand a SD card slot. Smdh Samsung.
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iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/
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My point exactly though. You can't get true 720p in a 4 inch screen and if you did you'd have to use a microscope to read anything.
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Motorola NXT?

Really? Just watched a Jon4Lakers Video. Wow. I usually hate rumours but the S4 has disappointed me.
Rumored X Phone/Motorola NXT specs
Android 5.0 / v. K(ey Lime Pie)
4.7-inch Full HD 1080p display
NVIDIA Tegra 4i processor
16-megapixel rear camera
5- megapixel FRONT FACING camera
Dimensions: 131.2 x 66.7 x 7.9 mm
Kevlar protection
Front-facing camera doubles as light sensor
Eye tracking for scrolling on website and in emails
Would Anyone be interested in this? I think I would.

So the battle of “my specs are better“ continues....
BTW why doesn‘t anyone take the battery very seriously? Considering how quickly a device runs out nowadays

I'm gonna wait till Google IO then i'm gonna decide between Moto and HTC.
P.S: Tegra 4i is amazing.

it is being said that customers will be able to configure their phone’s color, RAM, and internal storage at checkout, much like has been the case in the PC industry. They can even preload all of their content out of the factory so the device is ready to run out of the box.
rumors persist that it will be available at a highly reduced cost via a singular online retailer. The handset will not launch through other retailers or via carriers. While the rumors don’t mention a specific outlet, that sure sounds like Google Play, to us.
Read this on phadroid website.
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those specs are crazy i guess ill have to wait until google I.O to decide with smartphone ill buy the htc one,nxt,or the sgs IV.

wuodland said:
So the battle of “my specs are better“ continues....
BTW why doesn‘t anyone take the battery very seriously? Considering how quickly a device runs out nowadays
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Ah agreed! I went to the extensiveness to strap my self with 3 extended S3 batteries. To be honest I'd rather a phone to be slightly thicker than the whole "we've made it even thinner" attitude.
Still, if Googarola are planning this phone. My Gosh, that just lifted the bar. Especially what the last guy said. OP will be update with the latest and greatest rumor talk for this Googarola Extravaganza of a phone.
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NVIDIA Tegra 4i processor= Deal breaker

tegra 4i is just a tegra 3 with lte LOL

Moto G or Galaxy Express I437

I'm trying to decide between the two of them. The both go for $200. I like the sd card on the galaxy.

The Moto G has better specs and build. It has USB otg so you can attach an SD card adapter that way if you must.
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I would take the 16gb no SDcard moto G over the Galaxy Express any day, The screen and performance are worth The loss of the sd card
In my opinion, it is a no brainer, The Moto G by far
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Moto G all the way. The SD card isn't worth the sacrifices.
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Dual 1.2 GHz Krait is a little on the weak side - and especially poor in terms of power consumption.
Of course on single threaded apps it will win - but a quad-A7 at 1.2 GHz is more than fast enough when you don't have Touchwizz bloat.
If it were purely a hardware spec comparison it would be close. But take into account build quality and software quality and the G wins hands-down... ESPECIALLY software quality. Even flagship Samsungs on AT&T have HORRIFIC software support (it's mostly AT&T's fault).
Honestly, ANY phone sold via AT&T themselves is one you should avoid at all costs.

You ask this question in the Moto G section? You already know the answer, then?
Moto G would be my phone of choice if your budget is 200 USD. Straight from Google, what other arguments do you need

It would be dumb if you ignored the night and day difference between these phones!
This phone is better than Samsung s3 in performance wise!
But don't get the 8 GB cause the available free space is mind blowingly low , spend a few extra cash and get the 16 GB.
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Thanks for reply's. I ordered the 16gb off amazon.

Entropy512 said:
Dual 1.2 GHz Krait is a little on the weak side - and especially poor in terms of power consumption.
Of course on single threaded apps it will win - but a quad-A7 at 1.2 GHz is more than fast enough when you don't have Touchwizz bloat.
If it were purely a hardware spec comparison it would be close. But take into account build quality and software quality and the G wins hands-down... ESPECIALLY software quality. Even flagship Samsungs on AT&T have HORRIFIC software support (it's mostly AT&T's fault).
Honestly, ANY phone sold via AT&T themselves is one you should avoid at all costs.
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I437. Not the international model.
The AT&T version uses the same MSM8960 Snapdragon (1.5ghz dual-core)/ Adreno 225 setup as the US Galaxy S III on a SAMOLED+ screen (read: RGB, not Pentile). I owned one for a couple of months and liked what it had to offer, but the screen suffered from that inevitable OLED blue subpixel burn-in. While that may not happen so quickly with other sets, it's annoyingly irreversible.
In any case, the Moto G is probably the better deal unless you absolutely have to have microSD expansion and/or LTE. I'm getting a G in two weeks.
Edit: Plus the device is just positively sexy with the vivid red flip cover.
Edit 2: My initial reasoning behind getting the I437 was audio quality (I need something that will draw out potential in my Yamaha EPH-100s, and Qualcomm's recent DACs aren't half bad), but I've decided to just get an iBasso DX50 for my hifi audio fix.
For those interested, the Moto G has decent audio measurements according to RMAA tests, but with major bass rolloff (it sinks below audible range far too soon, at frequencies I and my Yams could still have enjoyed).
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AwesomeTurtle said:
I437. Not the international model.
The AT&T version uses the same MSM8960 Snapdragon (1.5ghz dual-core)/ Adreno 225 setup as the US Galaxy S III on a SAMOLED+ screen (read: RGB, not Pentile). I owned one for a couple of months and liked what it had to offer, but the screen suffered from that inevitable OLED blue subpixel burn-in. While that may not happen so quickly with other sets, it's annoyingly irreversible.
In any case, the Moto G is probably the better deal unless you absolutely have to have microSD expansion and/or LTE. I'm getting a G in two weeks.
Edit: Plus the device is just positively sexy with the vivid red flip cover.
Edit 2: My initial reasoning behind getting the I437 was audio quality (I need something that will draw out potential in my Yamaha EPH-100s, and Qualcomm's recent DACs aren't half bad), but I've decided to just get an iBasso DX50 for my hifi audio fix.
For those interested, the Moto G has decent audio measurements according to RMAA tests, but with major bass rolloff (it sinks below audible range far too soon, at frequencies I and my Yams could still have enjoyed).
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Moto G, based on looking at the kernel source, might be using Motorola's own solution for a codec/amp setup instead of Qcom's WCD93xx - instead of the usual hackery of the codecs that most OEMs do, Moto's kernel source adds a whole bunch of new drivers.

Interesting. I'll have to have a nice sit down with mine when it reaches my hands.
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