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Hello fellas,
I have such a big dilemma in DETAILS between the LG Optimus 2x , Google Nexus S
Details:
Value: Nexus S : ~$330 avg.
O2X: ~$260 avg surprisingly
Performance: LG optimus 2x is the winner {Tegra 2 dual core cpu} even though Nvidia didn't release the damn source, => HW ACC on Cyanogenmod is fairly working (reverse engineering)
Physical specs: LG Optimus 2x also surprisingly better than the Nexus S in terms of durability and thickness, both Nexus S and the Galaxy S (i9000) gives the feeling of cheap material.
Display: LG Optimus 2x is the best. Gorilla Glass, S-LCD (used in iPhones retina), minus the Contour display that nexus S offers which bit sucks, especially fruit ninja lol (Also, there is Nexus S AMOLED, but +$60 bux away, Amoled=least life)
Cool tweak: An app that can control the navigation LEDs, e.g: Facebook notifcation is the home button, so it flashes as of the lack of Notification LED (Both phones lack)
Battery perf: Nexus S , somehow because of the single core CPU, but it should be Vice versa, Dual core uses less power at processing things less than 50% of load than a single core.
Style: Nexus S wins (opinion) not important anyways...
NFC: Nexus S, no need for it. not in my country
Thats against:
HDMI & External sotrage: Optimus 2x is the winner. (As both i might be using in the future, maybe not!)
Storage: LOL, 8GB NS = $300, 16GB O2X: $250 (did i hear dual core? YESS!!, WTF GOOGLE??)
Now the biggest part:
The hot damn software:
Nexus S is the 2nd phone to have the latest updates from Google. Well, Jelly-O Bean.
The LG Optimus still didn't recieve the damn ICS which was the major cons. However, its guaranteed to be release in Q3 of 2012.
My problem on the software side is, all I need is stability, mods (i know that these can be hardly combined)
O2x: GB 2.3.4
Nexus S: JB 4.1.0
IS software a major issue for regretting a $250 dual-core phone?
Sound Quality: Which is my 2nd major upgrade after performance, I should represent this as TIE, since both includes Wolfson DAC, Voodoo mod. But lack of Voodoo features in the O2X ( nvm, i only need AMP, hate external ones, sport-ish)
Others, connectivity, bluetooth etc, aren't major in difference.
As buying consideration,
Any opinion/suggestions/help are appreciated,
Thank you!
tpr0 said:
Hello fellas,
I have such a big dilemma in DETAILS between the LG Optimus 2x , Google Nexus S
Details:
Value: Nexus S : ~$330 avg.
O2X: ~$260 avg surprisingly
Performance: LG optimus 2x is the winner {Tegra 2 dual core cpu} even though Nvidia didn't release the damn source, => HW ACC on Cyanogenmod is fairly working (reverse engineering)
Physical specs: LG Optimus 2x also surprisingly better than the Nexus S in terms of durability and thickness, both Nexus S and the Galaxy S (i9000) gives the feeling of cheap material.
Display: LG Optimus 2x is the best. Gorilla Glass, S-LCD (used in iPhones retina), minus the Contour display that nexus S offers which bit sucks, especially fruit ninja lol (Also, there is Nexus S AMOLED, but +$60 bux away, Amoled=least life)
Cool tweak: An app that can control the navigation LEDs, e.g: Facebook notifcation is the home button, so it flashes as of the lack of Notification LED (Both phones lack)
Battery perf: Nexus S , somehow because of the single core CPU, but it should be Vice versa, Dual core uses less power at processing things less than 50% of load than a single core.
Style: Nexus S wins (opinion) not important anyways...
NFC: Nexus S, no need for it. not in my country
Thats against:
HDMI & External sotrage: Optimus 2x is the winner. (As both i might be using in the future, maybe not!)
Storage: LOL, 8GB NS = $300, 16GB O2X: $250 (did i hear dual core? YESS!!, WTF GOOGLE??)
Now the biggest part:
The hot damn software:
Nexus S is the 2nd phone to have the latest updates from Google. Well, Jelly-O Bean.
The LG Optimus still didn't recieve the damn ICS which was the major cons. However, its guaranteed to be release in Q3 of 2012.
My problem on the software side is, all I need is stability, mods (i know that these can be hardly combined)
O2x: GB 2.3.4
Nexus S: JB 4.1.0
IS software a major issue for regretting a $250 dual-core phone?
Sound Quality: Which is my 2nd major upgrade after performance, I should represent this as TIE, since both includes Wolfson DAC, Voodoo mod. But lack of Voodoo features in the O2X ( nvm, i only need AMP, hate external ones, sport-ish)
Others, connectivity, bluetooth etc, aren't major in difference.
As buying consideration,
Any opinion/suggestions/help are appreciated,
Thank you!
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ok what your saying about the screen is bollocks amoled is 1000 times better than that other s***
amoled has the best screen life ever i have a nexus one and its still going strong and still beats the s*** out of the washed out colors of the icrap 4/4s make the smart choice and go for the nexus s even though its single core its a better phone lg make stuff that fall apart after a few months of usage get the nexus s.period
the nexus s will get JB in the next few months that lg crap wont
Lg made a damn good phone, best bang for buck, screen excellent too. Sadly updates wise is very poor
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I <3 the O2X and dont actually care about the updates... custom roms for me... (the ICS roms are nearly there) PLUS THE HARDWARE ROCKS ( and design, I like that glass on the front and metal strip on back, NS looks a little weird and silly button arragements)
I'll suggest you the Nexus S, although I'm pretty confident you can get a better phone than both for the same money. But from these two, the Nexus S is a winner. Sure, the Optimus packs a dual-core CPU, but the Tegra 2 is technically the least powerful dual-core available. Not to mention software updates. LG are terrible at updating their phones.
The GPS on the Nexus S is pretty crappy though..... If that matters to you.
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I'll suggest you the Nexus S, although I'm pretty confident you can get a better phone than both for the same money. But from these two, the Nexus S is a winner. Sure, the Optimus packs a dual-core CPU, but the Tegra 2 is technically the least powerful dual-core available. Not to mention software updates. LG are terrible at updating their phones.
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It may be a "low end dual core" but its far superior to the NS. Updates may suck, s use custom roms
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As value....
Nexus S is $370 for what??!?!?!
O2X is for $250 here.
What do you think? What makes a push for 100+ $ to change my mind!!
or mindblowing?
tpr0 said:
As value....
Nexus S is $370 for what??!?!?!
O2X is for $250 here.
What do you think? What makes a push for 100+ $ to change my mind!!
or mindblowing?
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Get the O2X. Community is great and the LG UI 3.0 ICS ROM is AMAZING! and better specced... The Nexus S is like the 1ST Galaxy S phone
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weeo said:
Get the O2X. Community is great and the LG UI 3.0 ICS ROM is AMAZING! and better specced... The Nexus S is like the 1ST Galaxy S phone
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But the Nexus S feels quite confidant choice...
And, the LG Optimus 2x has bad stereo crosstalk.
Voodoo control only amps.
Battery life bit sucks...
And still no goddamn Nvidia source code, OR THE F LG ICS...
No sources is a big problem for me. Screw the ICS update, we want the sources!
A question to be answered :
If i buy the Nexus S, would it support me in the future, like doesnt look so much outdated, I dont need gaming...
Is it worth till this date?
Go on optimus 2x
tpr0 said:
But the Nexus S feels quite confidant choice...
And, the LG Optimus 2x has bad stereo crosstalk.
Voodoo control only amps.
Battery life bit sucks...
And still no goddamn Nvidia source code, OR THE F LG ICS...
No sources is a big problem for me. Screw the ICS update, we want the sources!
A question to be answered :
If i buy the Nexus S, would it support me in the future, like doesnt look so much outdated, I dont need gaming...
Is it worth till this date?
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If your going by outdatedness, the NS is. Single Core processor, whereas the LG has better specs. Faster processsor and looks nicer.
There is support from LG giving the ICS update this month hopefully
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If you're a music junkie, the NS has full voodoo sound support while o2x only has hardware amp, and supercurio seems to have given up on it.
hey guyz, sorry for bumping this old thread..
I have chosen the Atrix 4G...
Sound quality + Performance meets at its best...
Just the lack of ICS upgrade, not a big issue to me, "'Leaks'" are nice
Voodoo support for it seems possible (more possibility than the O2X before...), i'm working on a port...
tpr0 said:
hey guyz, sorry for bumping this old thread..
I have chosen the Atrix 4G...
Sound quality + Performance meets at its best...
Just the lack of ICS upgrade, not a big issue to me, "'Leaks'" are nice
Voodoo support for it seems possible (more possibility than the O2X before...), i'm working on a port...
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How much did you pay for it? Waiting 2 weeks would get you the brand new nexus 4 for 300
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sy224048 said:
How much did you pay for it? Waiting 2 weeks would get you the brand new nexus 4 for 300
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220 bux. I bet the nexus ain't better in terms of sound quality. Only hit stream phones does have HQ. DACs
Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?
This article raised a very good question I've been wondering for a while now too:
http://www.zdnet.com/dear-android-manufacturers-please-sell-me-the-phone-that-i-want-7000006437/
There are plenty of android phones to choose from. But every North American manufacturer's flagship phones are 4.6+ inches and they just seem to be getting bigger! I don't want a bigger phone...but I want flagship hardware. How many >4.5 inch android phones have top tier hardware (quadcore, HD screen, top end GPU). ZERO.:crying:
The one thing I think Apple has right is the size of the iPhone 5. It fits very comfortably in your hand. I can fit the Galaxy Nexus in one hand, but I cannot reach all areas of the screen with my thumb if I have 4 fingers gripping the side of the phone. I can stretch if I put my pinky on the bottom and only 3 on the side, but if I add a case to the mix then it becomes uncomfortable again.
Now I admit I have smaller hands, but I'm sure others have this issue as well. I just was shocked to read through the comments on the story to see how many people avidly almost "attacked" the author for his opinion. Thinking it was ridiculous to expect options like this. And that people with smaller hands should just be content with outdated hardware on smaller phones.
Anyone else who wish the sizes would go back down? Or at least have options of smaller models with the same high end hardware? Was really hoping for a 4-4.3" Nexus 4...but I know that's not going to happen Oh well...here's to hoping it might happen with the Nexus 5...
I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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lowbudge said:
I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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to be honest i am absolutely agree with u.
now adays smartphone is used for browsing and multimedia rather than make a call and sms or email.
u can get samsung galaxy s3 mini at least.
IMHO. nexus series will look like this in the future. i believe google has make some kind of standardization of their phone model.
4.65 with a shape like galnex.
its not the screen size that i really concern. but the battery life...
There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.
The new Galaxy S3 Mini just came out! It has the SPECS of a flagship devices, but has a 4" screen!
I prefer big displays mainly because tiny onscreen keyboards are hard to use.
Alton (Halo 2) said:
There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
063_XOBX said:
Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.
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Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.
063_XOBX said:
4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.
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I didn't think about the buttons. I guess I couldn't really say unless I held it in my hands, but it seems noticeably smaller on paper:
Xiaomi MI-2 Dimensions:
126 x 62 x 10.2 mm (4.96 x 2.44 x 0.40 in)
VS
Samsung Galaxy Nexus I9250 Dimensions:
135.5 x 67.9 x 8.9 mm (5.33 x 2.67 x 0.35 in)
Not a HUGE difference...again, I'd prefer a 4" phone where the difference would be more noticeable. But if these specs can be squeezed into 4.3" on the cheap from a no name brand, my point is it's definitely possible to do 4" from a big name brand manufacturer.
colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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crazaytalent said:
I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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It is a common idea in North America that "bigger is better," as well as "more is better." Just check out the average BMI in the US... kinda high up there.... and it ain't muscle mass.... check out Texas as an example.
I too was very concerned with my future phone before I upgraded to the Gnex. I had a 4.3" Droid Charge. I thought that anything over 4.5" was pushing my limits, but I slowly became very comfortable with the current Gnex size. However, I still do not want anything larger than 4.65"... so I'm hoping the future Nexus phones after the Nexus 4 don't get any bigger.
Side note: w00t SF Giants FTW!!!!!
I think the current nexus screen size is perfect imo
maybe the nexus 3 will grant your wish?
I guess your the odd one out that manufacturers don't care about
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High end Android phone will never be released in 4inch. That's how they make them different from iphone in the first place. There are more ppl want bigger phone. And tbh, ppl use both hand to type even on iphone... 4inch high end flagship phone is... meh... it will never happen..
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colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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Smokeey said:
The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/
A 4" top tier device now would probably be way more costly to manufacture than the usual 4.5"+ screen size device. And there will probably be very very few quad cores, if any in a device that small. Battery and all the other top tier accoutrements just won't be feasible. You will have to settle for a sacrifice somewhere. Last years top end specs in 4" form factor is probably best you can expect for a year or two.
Off topic but I wish Samsung took a chance on the galaxy premier and made it just like the nexus instead of Samsung's typical hardware button accompanied by two capacitive buttons. Better GPU and CPU. And add stock android. Samsung is probably too scared to lose any marketshare by alienating a device. What is wrong with taking small chances on a mid end device? All the people skipping the lg nexus 4 would probably take a serious at the i9260 if it had Google's now standard software navigation, with upgraded specs aaaaaaand a SD card slot. Smdh Samsung.
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Zepius said:
iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/
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My point exactly though. You can't get true 720p in a 4 inch screen and if you did you'd have to use a microscope to read anything.
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I've no doubt in my mind that Motorola will release a Moto G2 sometime late next year, because of the success of the Moto G.
But what improvement would you like to see, while still keeping the cost down.
I think 4G/LTE could easily be an option next year, but what else?
camera improvements maybe
Colour led, better camera, more RAM, (faster processor) are the main things for me.
All of the above with the same 720p screen and 32GB at $200
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2gb RAM or at least 1.5gb, a better processor, maybe The X8 chip... A better camera (8mpx), 4G
But if you ask me ill take the better CPU/GPU/RAM then a better camera or a 1080p screen so they can keep the $200 price tag, 720p its more than enough for smartphones as long as the screen has a good quality... 1080p its already way too much and nos LG wants a 2k screen lol
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To keep the cost of the device the same i would like to see a few minor improvements to the current G like 4G, 1.5 to 2gb ram, better camera megapixels don't matter.
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My guesses:
RGB Led
8mp Camera
Either an older Snap 600/S4 Pro (think Nexus 7) or a new, yet unannounced Snap 400 with maybe a new low end GPU (Adreno 307, if you will)
1GB RAM, maybe faster DDR3L
8 and 16GB
Slightly bigger battery, maybe 2.2Ah
Tweaked 720p IPS display
Tweaked design - slightly thinner, slightly lighter
Expecting more than this is setting yourself up for disappointment, IMO.
If I were Moto, I'd keep the first gen G and X around, drop the G to $99 or $79, give the G2 LTE and put it starting at $179, drop the X to $279 and release the new X as a true flagship. You get all the price ranges covered with nice phones and, if kept with the same design and basic layout, without much need for retooling.
Lets just enjoy this awesome phone and worry about the 2nd version later...
Maybe X4 or X6 chip? (Since low end processors dont come with quad core GPU I'm thinking)
Gyrosensor & More Space
4.5 or 4.7" 720p display no need to change this I think.
4G/LTE should be cheap enough to have on midrange phones in 2014
Better camera 8mp BIS Sony Sensor
1080p video, the current snapdragon 400 has 1080p support but wasn't implemented in the Moto G for some reason, maybe because the lack of space with the 8GB version.
New snapdragon processor maybe the 405 clocked at 1.5Ghz with better gpu.
2GB of ram will trickle down to midrange phones in 2014, as the top end smartphones move onto 3GB & 4GB.
Slimmer design.
Colour options.
RGB notification led.
8GB storage dropped in favor of both 16GB & 32GB, should be cheap enough in 2014.
If all the above was to be the case for the Moto G2 for next year, it probably be even bigger seller than the current Moto G is now.
The 4G will depende con how things go in the world in the next months, A LOT of countries doesnt even have 4G un the works, and some of them are just starting to embrace it
I dont think a X8 CPU its really out of the realm of possibilities, obviously not The same one as the MotoX one, but a low-end one...
Bigger storage should be a thing, 16/32gb.
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Faruko said:
2gb RAM or at least 1.5gb, a better processor, maybe The X8 chip... A better camera (8mpx), 4G
But if you ask me ill take the better CPU/GPU/RAM then a better camera or a 1080p screen so they can keep the $200 price tag, 720p its more than enough for smartphones as long as the screen has a good quality... 1080p its already way too much and nos LG wants a 2k screen lol
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ok, so you basically want the g2 to be a moto X LOL.. so no, this won't happen.
a 1080p screen IS a 2k screen. the 'k' monika refers to the horizontal not vertical resolution. hence 1080, by 1920 (2k). 720 is about 1.2k.
The truth is, the margin on the Moto G is about 20%, this is so much lower than any other phone manufacturer that any improvements will be added basically at 'cost' therefore, any meaningful spec upgrade leads to a big price price rise (relatively speaking).
I would like the same phone, a year newer CPU and GPU, slightly bigger battery, 4G and improved build quality, 10% price rise. This is at least doable.
Better camera/video
Gyroscope
32 GB version
Same price 180/200/240 (8/16/32)
Sligthly more rubberized shell for better grip
Keep the rest, it's already a great phone.
For me all I'd like to see for a 'G2' is:
4.7" 720p screen
LTE
8MP Camera
1.5 or 2GB RAM
The Moto G2 will be inspired by Motorola's next year flagship, but weaker.
I could see the Moto G2 with a quad core chip, a better gpu, and 1080p screen, LTE, 4.7" screen, 2gb ram, and MAYBE 8MP camera
moto G was created to be a cheap phone with mid-highend specs. You guys want moto x specs on a 200$ phone? Forget about it. Go and buy a moto x
ilovetorresmo said:
moto G was created to be a cheap phone with mid-highend specs. You guys want moto x specs on a 200$ phone? Forget about it. Go and buy a moto x
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To be fair 5 years ago a low end phone was considered to be 256 MB of ram and a 600 MHz single core processor with a 3 inch screen and would cost the same as the moto g does today. As time goes on technology standards go up.
But I do agree some people in this thread are asking for way too much even for today's standards. If you want modern flagship specs get a modern flagship phone.
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helppme said:
ok, so you basically want the g2 to be a moto X LOL.. so no, this won't happen.
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I would not be surprised to see next year's Moto G to be pretty close to the current Moto X. Maybe they change a few components to lower the price but in a year's time, the cost of most of those components will probably be down as well.
bozzykid said:
I would not be surprised to see next year's Moto G to be pretty close to the current Moto X. Maybe they change a few components to lower the price but in a year's time, the cost of most of those components will probably be down as well.
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Why not just buy the moto x when the moto x2 comes out then? I guarantee it will drop in price.
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So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
Personal opinion for everything within; don't quote me as gospel. Have a google around yourself and make your own decisions based on that.
SD808 vs SD810; the SD808 is used in the LG G4 whilst the HTC One M9 uses the SD810 so you should be able to get a basic idea from this comparison. As far as I know about the LG G4, the SD808 performs really well and doesn't leave you wanting for nothing. I personally don't own a G4 so a G4 owner and M9 owner could answer this better. Have a look online and see what people are saying. Linus Tech Tips have video reviews for both phones so that may also be some help for you.
3gb vs 4gb ram; I don't think this is really going to affect mobile users. If we take a look at apple, the ipad air has 1gb ram and performs really well. Same with the iphone 6 and I don't know anyone who owns one that complains about it. Granted, iOS and android are two different beasts - but if 1gb is fine over there, 3gb should be more than sufficient for us.
USB Type-C; even though native support for USB Type-C is coming around in Android M, I don't think the adoption for it will be very quick. I know apple has it on their new macbook air (I believe) - but widespread adoption will be some time from now. Micro-USB is still going to be around for a while imo and won't be an issue for the Moto X.
Again, personal opinion. I'd go for the Moto X based on the fact that Motorola have a good name behind them, build good quality phones that last and have a decent customer service track record, whereas if you look on the oneplus forums (I'd say take it with a pinch of salt but you may need a barrel of salt) you'll find quite a lot of complaints regarding Oneplus' customer service. Granted, they are quite a young company and these issues may not be around for much longer as they work out the kinks in their processes but it's something to consider as every so often, there will be a faulty phone and it may just be your bad luck in getting the bad egg.
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Personal opinion for everything within; don't quote me as gospel. Have a google around yourself and make your own decisions based on that.
SD808 vs SD810; the SD808 is used in the LG G4 whilst the HTC One M9 uses the SD810 so you should be able to get a basic idea from this comparison. As far as I know about the LG G4, the SD808 performs really well and doesn't leave you wanting for nothing. I personally don't own a G4 so a G4 owner and M9 owner could answer this better. Have a look online and see what people are saying. Linus Tech Tips have video reviews for both phones so that may also be some help for you.
3gb vs 4gb ram; I don't think this is really going to affect mobile users. If we take a look at apple, the ipad air has 1gb ram and performs really well. Same with the iphone 6 and I don't know anyone who owns one that complains about it. Granted, iOS and android are two different beasts - but if 1gb is fine over there, 3gb should be more than sufficient for us.
USB Type-C; even though native support for USB Type-C is coming around in Android M, I don't think the adoption for it will be very quick. I know apple has it on their new macbook air (I believe) - but widespread adoption will be some time from now. Micro-USB is still going to be around for a while imo and won't be an issue for the Moto X.
Again, personal opinion. I'd go for the Moto X based on the fact that Motorola have a good name behind them, build good quality phones that last and have a decent customer service track record, whereas if you look on the oneplus forums (I'd say take it with a pinch of salt but you may need a barrel of salt) you'll find quite a lot of complaints regarding Oneplus' customer service. Granted, they are quite a young company and these issues may not be around for much longer as they work out the kinks in their processes but it's something to consider as every so often, there will be a faulty phone and it may just be your bad luck in getting the bad egg.
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Yeah, inclining towards the X style for now. Will wait for both's reviews now. Also, the 1+2 is priced at 25,000 (389$) in my country, and the new moto X 16gb version is priced at 399$, so that'll probably convert to 26,000 + leather/wood back ones are 2,000 extra so I guess the 64gb one will be priced around 35k, which is 40% higher price than 1+2. This one is a real doozy, both these phones at the end of the day are equal.
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Yeah, inclining towards the X style for now. Will wait for both's reviews now. Also, the 1+2 is priced at 25,000 (389$) in my country, and the new moto X 16gb version is priced at 399$, so that'll probably convert to 26,000 + leather/wood back ones are 2,000 extra so I guess the 64gb one will be priced around 35k, which is 40% higher price than 1+2. This one is a real doozy, both these phones at the end of the day are equal.
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One thing that may sway you towards the OP2 is that apparently (read this in a news article - take it with a barrel of salt again!) OP is concentrating heavily on selling around a million units in India, so they may be giving better support whereas Motorola may not be as prevalent in terms of support. Can't say for certain - not from and never been to India - but speaking from my experiences and knowledge of being in Pakistan for quite a while.
Also, if specs don't bother you too much, it may be an idea to look heavily at the moto x play, simply because of the huge battery whilst still being a really powerful phone.
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One thing that may sway you towards the OP2 is that apparently (read this in a news article - take it with a barrel of salt again!) OP is concentrating heavily on selling around a million units in India, so they may be giving better support whereas Motorola may not be as prevalent in terms of support. Can't say for certain - not from and never been to India - but speaking from my experiences and knowledge of being in Pakistan for quite a while.
Also, if specs don't bother you too much, it may be an idea to look heavily at the moto x play, simply because of the huge battery whilst still being a really powerful phone.
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Nah, OnePlus can't compete with moto's customer service. Even if they can, then also, not a big deal, customer service, it just needs to be good, I don't need it to be great. And no moto play for me, I decided that I'll buy a flagship, so I'll buy a flagship.
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iOS and Android system have much differences, that's why 1gb RAM feels so different between Android and iOS..
I've found complete explanation of it but forgot the source *sorry*
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Come on be serious...what comparison is this. Compare 1+1 with 1+2 or 1+2 with my 4 years old htc sensation
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So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
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Depending on how you use your phone and how each phone handles battery life, the rate of charging might not be a factor to consider. If you burn through battery (and/or the phone itself helps) and can't get a days worth then fast charging should be important. If you don't use your phone much, turn radios off, etc. and charge your phone when you are asleep then either method of charging will do. Neither phone has wireless charging so you'd have to look elsewhere to get it. Feel is totally subjective and ONLY important for your tastes/wants. The screen is a contentious issue as some don't see a difference between 2k and 1080p, think the increase is worth the battery hit, or other reasons specific to the screens compared. If DxO is to be believed then the rear sensor in the Style is something to be reckoned with.
In real life usage, the 808 or 810 should be close to each other. The 808 is only "missing" two "Big" A57 cores when compared to the 810. The real difference is in benchmarks where having the "missing" cores will show better scores. With an almost stock Android interface the Style should show no feeling that "it needs more." I have no experience with OnePlus (or Moto and their OS optimizations) phones to speak on how Oxygen OS behaves. Since both phones aren't out to buy and be reviewed, any talk beforehand is just speculation. Wait for reviews from people you trust for an opinion or get a hand-on yourself on the UX "feel."
The amount of RAM you "need" or "should have" is debatable. If you play a lot of games and switch between heavy RAM-usage apps (or a lot of them) frequently, more RAM is beneficial. The type of RAM is cut-and-dry. LPDDR4 is simply better than LPDDR3. AS A STANDARD LPDDR4 operates at faster speeds AND uses less power than LPDDR3. Whether OnePlus has taken full advantage of the benefits has not been disclosed and no one has a device to find out the speed their RAM runs at for a definite conclusion.
USB Type-C is the "cable to end cables" when properly implemented. Full stop. Type-C was created with USB 3.1 and ALL of its benefits come with 3.1 AND software that enables those features. For the actual cable, Type-C brings a reversible plug (like Lightning) so there isn't a correct way you can plug the cable in. USB 2.0 (most likely in the Style too) will max at around 20 MB/s when transferring files to your computer or another device, and will be slower for smaller files. USB 3.0 and 3.1 will transfer at MUCH faster speeds with larger files. You can learn more about 3.1 and Type-C here and with a quick search. Other Type-C features aren't worth discussing as neither phone can take advantage of them.
Contact-less payments are supposed to finally take-off with the launch of Android (and Samsung) Pay to give that "extra push" to retailers that this is a feature that most would take advantage of when consumers can. Honestly, Apple Pay sowed the seed for contact-less payments. If contact-less payments is something you can see yourself doing then the OnePlus2 will not allow you to do so. Speaker quality or stereo speakers is a nice feature to have and should be considered if you play any media over the speakers. I have no comment with eithers' Costumer Support reputation.
For me, the decision between the OnePlus2 and Style is a no brainer. The OnePlus2 makes too many concessions against OnePlus' OWN BELIEFS and against the Style to make this a hard decision. Which is why I'll be replacing my G2 with the Style at some point this year, unless the new Nexus phone(s) are compelling enough
Think I may finally jump on a new phone, the Moto X Play or whatever it's being called for Verizon. That's a bit confusing. But Moto's radios are the best, a big factor, plus they finally went back to SD cards. I keep hearing the screen will not be tops due to it not being Amoled. Guess I'll have to check it out first before jumping. Also want it rooted, so I'm not going to be the one to jump first when it's sold so I can find out if it'll be rooted. But I'm definitely leaning towards that. It's either this or probably going to find a Note 4 developers addition and go that route...hard choices....
Moto x pure edition, not play
Galaxy S6
Which is why I'll be replacing my G2 with the Style at some point this year, unless the new Nexus phone(s) are compelling enough
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Nexus line of phones will never provide microSD card slot (google wants you to use its cloud!), and the 64GB version will make you pay 100$ more than the basic 16GB model. The best 64GB cards are under 30$ right now. So, I essentially get 80GB of storage with Style for 70$ less. Give me Style any day over Nexus or even OP2 (which gives 64GB for 389).
More than that though, its the camera and front facing stereo speakers that excite me about Style. We will see when it comes out.
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So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
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same thing happened to me
I'm dropping the two and will pick the moto x pure because it has the following that the two refused to add:
microsd slot
rapid charge
21 mp camera
front facing stereo speakers
invite-less purchase
but then that might change when the moto x pure is released
Id give the nod to the moto for several reasons the 3 big ones being.
ext sd card support, this is huge
Slightly larger screen
Moto customer support. If you read anything about OPO one thing is for sure in that their support is terrible.
Thats 3 reasons enough for me.:thumbup:
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I was inclined towards the one plus two before launch. Had really big expectations. But Moto X Style has upped the stakes. The only problem is availability and pricing. In India the customer service of Motorola is good. Only if Motorola announces the availability and pricing
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At this point I'd say moto x is my pick, one plus invite system is a turn off and is already starting to make me not want to get the device.
I still don't get their reasoning for leaving out NFC from the OP2. They claim it wasn't widely used and it added cost, yet they decided to add a fingerprint sensor...
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At this point I'd say moto x is my pick, one plus invite system is a turn off and is already starting to make me not want to get the device.
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And theres an artlicle online where someone says he cheated the invite reservation system haha. But yeah its all a joke tbh as you spam people to go up the list.
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Sporttster said:
Think I may finally jump on a new phone, the Moto X Play or whatever it's being called for Verizon. That's a bit confusing. But Moto's radios are the best, a big factor, plus they finally went back to SD cards. I keep hearing the screen will not be tops due to it not being Amoled. Guess I'll have to check it out first before jumping. Also want it rooted, so I'm not going to be the one to jump first when it's sold so I can find out if it'll be rooted. But I'm definitely leaning towards that. It's either this or probably going to find a Note 4 developers addition and go that route...hard choices....
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I tried a Samsung Note 3 and I lost 7% of my calls according to Verizon. I switched to a Motorola n6 six months ago and haven't lost a call since. My dBm ranges from 100 to 121 (right now it 114). Motorola is the only one that can hold on to a phone call where I live. So, I will only buy Motorola phones from now on.
I had the OPO for about a year and finally was able to return it.
Too many touch issues and since getting Lollipop I've had nothing but battery issues. I tried many roms however I couldn't stand it.
I tried the Moto X 2nd gen for 2 days and fell in love.
Currently i'm testing out the Nexus 6 to see if I can handle the screen size, so far it's good however I'd like it to be a little smaller so I think the new Moto X might be fine.
I wish they went with a 5.5 and non QHD or at least went with a bigger battery.
I'm hoping the new Moto X's camera will be better than the Nexus 6
If I was rich I would get both. But the biggest advantage of the oneplus2 will likely be battery life. I have a feeling that the oneplus2 will be easier to hold. I like the fact that you can program the capacitive buttons on either side of the home button. But overall the moto x style would get my hard earned money. Software and screen quality/size give it the leg up on the oneplus2 for me.
So I am surprised no has caught this yet. But the 2015 with far lesser hardware than that of the idol 3 is getting very high praises. The one main thing that is really standing out to me is the performance reviews. The snapdragon 400 with 1gb of ram and just how smooth this phone runs. I would think this would be a major jab at Alcatel on how unoptimized their software on the idol 3 is. I think this is also a testament that our phone is very capable of a butter smooth experience without any lag or stutters what's so ever if this can be done on the moto g.
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So I am surprised no has caught this yet. But the 2015 with far lesser hardware than that of the idol 3 is getting very high praises. The one main thing that is really standing out to me is the performance reviews. The snapdragon 400 with 1gb of ram and just how smooth this phone runs. I would think this would be a major jab at Alcatel on how unoptimized their software on the idol 3 is. I think this is also a testament that our phone is very capable of a butter smooth experience without any lag or stutters what's so ever if this can be done on the moto g.
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So for $50 less I give up 1/2 the megapixels on the front and rear camera's...1/2 the internal storage, 1/3rd the screen resolution (assuming going from 1080p to 720p is only 1/3rd) drop Lollipop back down to Kitkat (based on http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorol...-u-s-version-black/9055007.p?id=1219387046337) and I'm sure there's more....no thanks...the time of the idol 3 is NOW. It's been rooted..has TWRP....has xposed framework working and source has just been released. Or were you trying to compare the idol 3 4.7? You didn't specify.
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So for $50 less I give up 1/2 the megapixels on the front and rear camera's...1/2 the internal storage, 1/3rd the screen resolution (assuming going from 1080p to 720p is only 1/3rd) drop Lollipop back down to Kitkat (based on http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorol...-u-s-version-black/9055007.p?id=1219387046337) and I'm sure there's more....no thanks...the time of the idol 3 is NOW. It's been rooted..has TWRP....has xposed framework working and source has just been released. Or were you trying to compare the idol 3 4.7? You didn't specify.
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Nobody is talking about the second gen. This is the 3rd gen
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-2015-1300373/review
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Nobody is talking about the second gen. This is the 3rd gen
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-2015-1300373/review
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Ok..here's a good side by side from phonedog...with the exception of battery life the idol 3 seemed to be the winner but maybe you'll lean the other way. I know I'm not giving up my dual speakers, 1080p screen and reversible feature which works really well in the car to charge it while sitting in a poor man's dock (the cup holder). Sounds like you'd have to bump up to the 2gb/16gb model for the closest match and that's gonna be $220 vs $200 (currently the idol is priced at $250 but it was when I purchased it as well and they put it on sale for 1 day in July so I was able to submit a price protection claim with my credit card bringing it down to $200...I'm sure similar specials will pop up since the preorder price was also $199)
http://www.phonedog.com/videos/moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-onetouch-idol-3-best-budget-smartphones
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Nobody is talking about the second gen. This is the 3rd gen
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-2015-1300373/review
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I'm pretty interested in the Canadian Moto X Play XT1563
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 28)
famewolf said:
Ok..here's a good side by side from phonedog...with the exception of battery life the idol 3 seemed to be the winner but maybe you'll lean the other way. I know I'm not giving up my dual speakers, 1080p screen and reversible feature which works really well in the car to charge it while sitting in a poor man's dock (the cup holder). Sounds like you'd have to bump up to the 2gb/16gb model for the closest match and that's gonna be $220 vs $200 (currently the idol is priced at $250 but it was when I purchased it as well and they put it on sale for 1 day in July so I was able to submit a price protection claim with my credit card bringing it down to $200...I'm sure similar specials will pop up since the preorder price was also $199)
http://www.phonedog.com/videos/moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-onetouch-idol-3-best-budget-smartphones
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It's very confusing when they pull all this 2nd gen, 3rd gen or Nexus 5 2015 vs the old Nexus 5 stuff because you are never sure which one someone is talking about..I didn't even know thr 3rd gen moto g was out.
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It's very confusing when they pull all this 2nd gen, 3rd gen or Nexus 5 2015 vs the old Nexus 5 stuff because you are never sure which one someone is talking about..I didn't even know thr 3rd gen moto g was out.
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Ya. I should have articulated my point better. And my point was this. The 3rd gen moto (with far inferior) hardware than the idol is getting praises left and right and many are voting it asbthe best budget phone for the money. And one of the main points they bring up is just how fluid and snappy the new moto g is with less ram and smaller processor than that of the idol 3. So with that logic the idol 3 should be outperforming the moto g with responsiveness and snappyness and zero lag. But its not. I was hoping that Alcatel might take note of the new kid in the block. Get concerned about potential loss sales to the moto g and optimize the idol 3 to be a great performer with zero lag the way it should be.
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Ya. I should have articulated my point better. And my point was this. The 3rd gen moto (with far inferior) hardware than the idol is getting praises left and right and many are voting it asbthe best budget phone for the money. And one of the main points they bring up is just how fluid and snappy the new moto g is with less ram and smaller processor than that of the idol 3. So with that logic the idol 3 should be outperforming the moto g with responsiveness and snappyness and zero lag. But its not. I was hoping that Alcatel might take note of the new kid in the block. Get concerned about potential loss sales to the moto g and optimize the idol 3 to be a great performer with zero lag the way it should be.
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Comparing apples to apples. The Idol 3 4.7 is better than the Moto G 2015. They both have snapdragon 410 but the G just having a higher clock speed at 1.4 vs 1.2. I returned my Moto G when I got the Idol 3 4.7. It's just a better phone for me. As far as lag, I had the Idol 5.5 when it first came out before some of the updates and I remember there was some lag especially when clearing all recent apps. The Idol 3 4.7 does not have that lag that I experienced with the bigger Idol. The 410 is a fantastic processor especially for pushing out only 720p. More YouTube reviewers should do a comparison between the Idol 4.7 and the Moto G and not the Idol 5.5. Closer in specs and price point.
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Comparing apples to apples. The Idol 3 4.7 is better than the Moto G 2015. They both have snapdragon 410 but the G just having a higher clock speed at 1.4 vs 1.2. I returned my Moto G when I got the Idol 3 4.7. It's just a better phone for me. As far as lag, I had the Idol 5.5 when it first came out before some of the updates and I remember there was some lag especially when clearing all recent apps. The Idol 3 4.7 does not have that lag that I experienced with the bigger Idol. The 410 is a fantastic processor especially for pushing out only 720p. More YouTube reviewers should do a comparison between the Idol 4.7 and the Moto G and not the Idol 5.5. Closer in specs and price point.
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You pretty much validated my point though on how the beefier heavier specd idol 3 5.5 should run flawless and as smooth as butter when lesser hardware clearly can.
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Ya. I should have articulated my point better. And my point was this. The 3rd gen moto (with far inferior) hardware than the idol is getting praises left and right and many are voting it asbthe best budget phone for the money. And one of the main points they bring up is just how fluid and snappy the new moto g is with less ram and smaller processor than that of the idol 3. So with that logic the idol 3 should be outperforming the moto g with responsiveness and snappyness and zero lag. But its not. I was hoping that Alcatel might take note of the new kid in the block. Get concerned about potential loss sales to the moto g and optimize the idol 3 to be a great performer with zero lag the way it should be.
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Well one good point is the 5.0.x series of lollipop is KNOWN to be laggy...that was one of the main improvements to 5.1...with the source released we can perhaps look at Cyanogenmod in our future and eliminate alot of the lag we are dealing with now along with some optimized kernels. I think after some custom rom's come out you'll end up much happier with the idol 3 overall.
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Well one good point is the 5.0.x series of lollipop is KNOWN to be laggy...that was one of the main improvements to 5.1...with the source released we can perhaps look at Cyanogenmod in our future and eliminate alot of the lag we are dealing with now along with some optimized kernels. I think after some custom rom's come out you'll end up much happier with the idol 3 overall.
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Yup the 5.0 builds are very buggy and laggy but its interesting that the 4.7 inch idol with lower processor still runs smoother. I don't think we as consumers should have to root and go through all of those hoops just to have a well performing device based on the hardware running it. And from owning the oneplus one and running cm as my daily driver for quite sometime I would personally never run it again. Not only do I not support Steve and his initiatives and his company but often times cm introudced more bug than it solved issues. So that's a no go for me. I am simply asking Alcatel to optimize their flagship device the way it should be. But who knows maybe it will happen when we get the 5.1.1 update.
Right now I swap between my zenfone 2, idol 3 and oneplus one. The only thing keeping me from using my idol 3 as my daily.driver is the lag. And it's very noticeable when jumping between phones.
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I had decided to wait for the moto G 3rd gen before upgrading from the 2nd gen however...
Amazon day sale...
That was literally an insane price. Too good to pass off and I went for the upgrade.
Comparing it to the 3rd gen.. I'm not at all regretting getting the Alcatel. Gorilla Glass alternative is good, battery life is significantly better than the moto G, display resolution is a nice plus.
Water proofing just isn't a feature that makes or breaks my decision.
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Yup the 5.0 builds are very buggy and laggy but its interesting that the 4.7 inch idol with lower processor still runs smoother. I don't think we as consumers should have to root and go through all of those hoops just to have a well performing device based on the hardware running it. And from owning the oneplus one and running cm as my daily driver for quite sometime I would personally never run it again. Not only do I not support Steve and his initiatives and his company but often times cm introudced more bug than it solved issues. So that's a no go for me. I am simply asking Alcatel to optimize their flagship device the way it should be. But who knows maybe it will happen when we get the 5.1.1 update.
Right now I swap between my zenfone 2, idol 3 and oneplus one. The only thing keeping me from using my idol 3 as my daily.driver is the lag. And it's very noticeable when jumping between phones.
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I agree with the point about consumers shouldn't need to depend on rooting, custom kernels and ROMS. Even if I indulge in all of the above. If that's what it takes to make a phone usable, then this phone and manufacturer will fade back into oblivion. And I also haven't found custom ROMs to be a panacea. For all the talk about being "buttery smooth," "rock solid" and such, it isn't always that way. I've had some prominent ROMs that plainly gave me more problems than stock Android. But I like to experiment and I like the customization options that the ROMs provide. And I really like being rid of all the Google bloat.
I waited awhile with my Nexus 4 before upgrading to Lollipop because I wanted to keep running Xposed and it wasn't available on Lollipop for awhile. But after I did, I almost reverted because of the poor performance with 5.0x. So it's disappointing to have to be running 5.02 on the Idol 3 on the eve of the release of Android M.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for many ROMs, kernels and such on this phone. Is there a big enough community who's going to use them that people will bother to build them? I hope the answer is yes, but I'm not so sure.
All that said, I like this phone more than I thought I would. I'm having occasional laggy and erratic performance, but most of the time, it's fine, a bit better than I might have expected. And I love the light weight and the display. The current crop of flagships tend to be 30 grams heavier, a very noticeable difference. And the colors look better to me on this phone than they do on some of the pricier ones with whites that aren't white or over-saturation. Some of that's adjustable with custom kernels, but not all of it. The Nexus 6 I use sometimes, for all its many strengths, is guilty of both color problems and being uncomfortably heavy by comparison.
Ya I would have to agree with you an all of the points you highlighted. This is a fantastic device on so many levels. Just wish the damn thing didn't lag. The biggest lag issue I had was with typing. But installing the stick Google keyboard from the play store seems to have really improved the typing experience over the stock aosp keyboard that comes with the phone.
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When you guys get a sec check the performance review of the mi4 running the exact same chipset. Notice how it scores significantly hire in benchmarks then our phone and the ui does not lag or stutter what's so ever.
https://youtu.be/cCXiQQI7lpQ
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Thought you might be interested to know the Moto G's camera has been ported over to the Idol 3 and runs just fine....I posted a thread in the Idol3 apps and games section with some details. The camera is very VERY nice.
A lot of these people are comparing the lowest tier Moto G to whatever else that is available. On Alcatel's side, that would mean that you would compare the 4.7 inch model to the Moto G - and the only thing on the specs side on the Alcatel model is NFC - otherwise they are essentially the same phone - and the Moto G is waterproof - runs a later version of Android - and is from Motorola . So it does make for a compelling choice. When you compare the $220 model to the $250 Alcatel model, then the spec differences are wider. But for $180 , the Moto G is not a bad phone. If I did not have the option to buy the 5.5 inch for $200 , and the Moto G 2015 would have been around, I do not think I would have spent $180 to go with the Alcatel.
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When you guys get a sec check the performance review of the mi4 running the exact same chipset. Notice how it scores significantly hire in benchmarks then our phone and the ui does not lag or stutter what's so ever.
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The Mi4i runs the same chipset and Geekyranjit says it is a laggy POS after update, before update it was overheating POS. There is something fundamentally wrong with the 615 chipset same as the 810. it just wasn't a good year to buy Qualcomm.
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The Mi4i runs the same chipset and Geekyranjit says it is a laggy POS after update, before update it was overheating POS. There is something fundamentally wrong with the 615 chipset same as the 810. it just wasn't a good year to buy Qualcomm.
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Must not be as all the new zenfone 2 models are running this same chipset.
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Must not be as all the new zenfone 2 models are running this same chipset.
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Actually... none of the released Zen2 come with SD615.