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Moto G or Galaxy Express I437

I'm trying to decide between the two of them. The both go for $200. I like the sd card on the galaxy.

The Moto G has better specs and build. It has USB otg so you can attach an SD card adapter that way if you must.
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I would take the 16gb no SDcard moto G over the Galaxy Express any day, The screen and performance are worth The loss of the sd card
In my opinion, it is a no brainer, The Moto G by far
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Moto G all the way. The SD card isn't worth the sacrifices.
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Dual 1.2 GHz Krait is a little on the weak side - and especially poor in terms of power consumption.
Of course on single threaded apps it will win - but a quad-A7 at 1.2 GHz is more than fast enough when you don't have Touchwizz bloat.
If it were purely a hardware spec comparison it would be close. But take into account build quality and software quality and the G wins hands-down... ESPECIALLY software quality. Even flagship Samsungs on AT&T have HORRIFIC software support (it's mostly AT&T's fault).
Honestly, ANY phone sold via AT&T themselves is one you should avoid at all costs.

You ask this question in the Moto G section? You already know the answer, then?
Moto G would be my phone of choice if your budget is 200 USD. Straight from Google, what other arguments do you need

It would be dumb if you ignored the night and day difference between these phones!
This phone is better than Samsung s3 in performance wise!
But don't get the 8 GB cause the available free space is mind blowingly low , spend a few extra cash and get the 16 GB.
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Thanks for reply's. I ordered the 16gb off amazon.

Entropy512 said:
Dual 1.2 GHz Krait is a little on the weak side - and especially poor in terms of power consumption.
Of course on single threaded apps it will win - but a quad-A7 at 1.2 GHz is more than fast enough when you don't have Touchwizz bloat.
If it were purely a hardware spec comparison it would be close. But take into account build quality and software quality and the G wins hands-down... ESPECIALLY software quality. Even flagship Samsungs on AT&T have HORRIFIC software support (it's mostly AT&T's fault).
Honestly, ANY phone sold via AT&T themselves is one you should avoid at all costs.
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I437. Not the international model.
The AT&T version uses the same MSM8960 Snapdragon (1.5ghz dual-core)/ Adreno 225 setup as the US Galaxy S III on a SAMOLED+ screen (read: RGB, not Pentile). I owned one for a couple of months and liked what it had to offer, but the screen suffered from that inevitable OLED blue subpixel burn-in. While that may not happen so quickly with other sets, it's annoyingly irreversible.
In any case, the Moto G is probably the better deal unless you absolutely have to have microSD expansion and/or LTE. I'm getting a G in two weeks.
Edit: Plus the device is just positively sexy with the vivid red flip cover.
Edit 2: My initial reasoning behind getting the I437 was audio quality (I need something that will draw out potential in my Yamaha EPH-100s, and Qualcomm's recent DACs aren't half bad), but I've decided to just get an iBasso DX50 for my hifi audio fix.
For those interested, the Moto G has decent audio measurements according to RMAA tests, but with major bass rolloff (it sinks below audible range far too soon, at frequencies I and my Yams could still have enjoyed).
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AwesomeTurtle said:
I437. Not the international model.
The AT&T version uses the same MSM8960 Snapdragon (1.5ghz dual-core)/ Adreno 225 setup as the US Galaxy S III on a SAMOLED+ screen (read: RGB, not Pentile). I owned one for a couple of months and liked what it had to offer, but the screen suffered from that inevitable OLED blue subpixel burn-in. While that may not happen so quickly with other sets, it's annoyingly irreversible.
In any case, the Moto G is probably the better deal unless you absolutely have to have microSD expansion and/or LTE. I'm getting a G in two weeks.
Edit: Plus the device is just positively sexy with the vivid red flip cover.
Edit 2: My initial reasoning behind getting the I437 was audio quality (I need something that will draw out potential in my Yamaha EPH-100s, and Qualcomm's recent DACs aren't half bad), but I've decided to just get an iBasso DX50 for my hifi audio fix.
For those interested, the Moto G has decent audio measurements according to RMAA tests, but with major bass rolloff (it sinks below audible range far too soon, at frequencies I and my Yams could still have enjoyed).
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Moto G, based on looking at the kernel source, might be using Motorola's own solution for a codec/amp setup instead of Qcom's WCD93xx - instead of the usual hackery of the codecs that most OEMs do, Moto's kernel source adds a whole bunch of new drivers.

Interesting. I'll have to have a nice sit down with mine when it reaches my hands.
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[Q] Flagship vs Budget phones - Is there enough difference anymore?

I have been looking at new phones. The flagship phones are sexy and, at least for a few months until the next must have comes out, have a lot of bling factor. However, there seem to be a lot of decent budget/midrange phones available (<$300). Additionally, it seems phones have a short life (durability and obsolescence) to justify dropping $500-$700 every 2-3 years. I'm wondering if it still makes sense or when it makes sense to go with the flagship products.
Questions:
1) Have we reached a point, like PC's, where the even budget units perform just about all tasks pretty well?
2) What uses would a flagship phone (e.g LG G3, Samsung S5, HTC One M8, Moto X) be better for than a typical budget/midrange phone (e.g. Moto G, Moto E, LG Optimus L90)?
3) Are there any critical features missing in the budget phones?

mrstop said:
I have been looking at new phones. The flagship phones are sexy and, at least for a few months until the next must have comes out, have a lot of bling factor. However, there seem to be a lot of decent budget/midrange phones available (<$300). Additionally, it seems phones have a short life (durability and obsolescence) to justify dropping $500-$700 every 2-3 years. I'm wondering if it still makes sense or when it makes sense to go with the flagship products.
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"Makes sense" is pretty subjective. It depends on what you can afford, are willing to spend, want and/or need. I pursue the various "what phone should you buy" threads regularly, and I also regularly recommend phones like the Nexus 4, Moto G, Sony Xperia SP, and the like. I'm also a big fan of "obsolete" or discontinue phones that you can pick up on eBay or Amazon. For example, you can get the Nexus 4 off eBay, brand new, for $240. And it's a way better phone than a Moto G, for only a bit more. IMO people need to remember options like these. It doesn't have to be a new phone (newly released, as opposed to new vs used). A flagship for a year or 2 ago can be had for far less than its original cost, and can outstrip a "budget" phone that just came out. Another example: A co-worker of mine needs a cheap smartphone after switching to T-Mobile. He was looking at the LG L9 that just came out, which can be purchased outright for a mere $100. The main disadvantage is that it only has HSPA 21.1Mb/s download capability. I told him to get a new LG F6 off eBay for $109. Slightly smaller screen, but same resolution, better processor, and has LTE. He didn't know about it, because it's discontinued and not on T-Mo's website anymore.
Questions:
1) Have we reached a point, like PC's, where the even budget units perform just about all tasks pretty well?
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If we're not there yet, we're close. The Moto G really sent a shockwave out, and other manufacturers are clamoring to compete (and mostly failing). A "budget" phone, as long as you pick the right one, should be able to do nearly, if not everything you want it to. And as I said above, "budget" doesn't necessarily mean a newly released phone; flagships from a couple years ago are still capable devices and can be had for very reasonable costs.
2) What uses would a flagship phone (e.g LG G3, Samsung S5, HTC One M8, Moto X) be better for than a typical budget/midrange phone (e.g. Moto G, Moto E, LG Optimus L90)?
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One obvious reason to have a flagship is the superior screen. Do you need a HD screen? No, you really don't. Anything above 200ppi is usable, to be frank. But of course everybody wants a better screen, since most of what we do with smartphones involves looking at them. Screen size is a subjective preference, but everybody wants the screen to be clearer, brighter, and more vibrant.
If you like to play games, flagships are obviously better. Better resolution, higher framerates,
3) Are there any critical features missing in the budget phones?
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There's always some things that have to be sacrificed to make a phone cheaper. Just look at the Moto E vs the Moto G. Screen resolution is lower and smaller, the processor is only a dual core, and the camera lacks flash (no front-facing camera either). And comparing the Moto G to the Moto X or other flagship phones, it's obviously not as powerful, doesn't have as much RAM, and the 5mp camera is constrained by the fact that it only has 5mp, where most flagships have at least double, and sometimes triple or quadruple that. Internal storage is an issue, especially if running KitKat and you're not able to move apps to SD, or the phone doesn't even have SD capability,
To conclude, let's compare to popular phones, the Moto G and the Galaxy S5. The Moto G runs smoothly, due to it's nearly-stock Android (completely stock if you get the GPE). The screen is very decent. But if you get the regular versions, you're limited to 8 or 16GB (less available to the user), 21.1Mb/s HSPA, and mediocre cameras. The LTE version is the better choice, since you also get a microSD slot, although it's only good for 32GB cards. Whereas with an S5 you get a higher resolution screen, more RAM, a far more capable processor, far better cameras, 32GB storage built-in, plus expandability to 128GB, etc, etc, etc. It also costs three times as much.
So yeah, it's great that we can buy a cheap smartphone that'll do everything we need. But that doesn't change the fact that there are phones that can do what we want.

Want to sell OPO, what to get instead?

HI all, am thinking selling my OPO but have no idea what other phone to get while waiting for OnePlus Two
It has to be cheap (~100 $/€) and support custom roms, thats all i am asking! (am flashaholic, so can not live without it )
Any tips what should I go for? THX!!!

Moto G is always a good choice. Tons of support for ROMs and kernels and such. Also, the boot loader is easily unlocked. It's more than your price tag, but you'll be much happier with it's flexibility and more powerful processor.

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otacon239 said:
Moto G is always a good choice. Tons of support for ROMs and kernels and such. Also, the boot loader is easily unlocked. It's more than your price tag, but you'll be much happier with it's flexibility and more powerful processor.
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plus they have consistent speedy updates of new android versions, decent batterylife etc, etc.
just a small screen

Should I assume that despite your moniker that you do not currently own a Nexus 5? If that's the case, get your hands on a used Nexus 4. Tons of ROMs, kernels, mods, etc. A Galaxy S3 (with Snapdragon and 2gb RAM, not the Exynos one) wouldn't be a bad option either.

Go for Motorola and Nexus devices. They have plenty of custom rom support.
and fast when it comes to OS updates too.

this seems nice, dunno about updates though http://www.phonearena.com/news/Affo...edge-specs-and-fingerprint-ID-for-200_id68130

bachera said:
this seems nice, dunno about updates though http://www.phonearena.com/news/Affo...edge-specs-and-fingerprint-ID-for-200_id68130
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Very cheap, been checking these out too. Would love to try one out, some nice features.
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Elep...GHz-Smartphone-13-0MP-Dual-Camera-344057.html

gsmyth said:
Very cheap, been checking these out too. Would love to try one out, some nice features.
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Elep...GHz-Smartphone-13-0MP-Dual-Camera-344057.html
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take a note of their presale, they had another one on 11th of May
http://www.gizchina.com/2015/04/24/...tedposts_origin=84489&relatedposts_position=0
not sure of they will ever have dev support though, due to the mediatek stuff. That kinda is a dealbreaker for me.
their upcoming models next month are also interesting, more expensive though.
browse the gizchina site, they got tons of info on Chinese phones

bachera said:
take a note of their presale
http://www.gizchina.com/2015/04/24/...tedposts_origin=84489&relatedposts_position=0
not sure of they will have dev support though
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Yea its never going to be anywhere near the OPO. I did see a video of it running CM12 though, again though who knows if you'll be able to get hold of it.

Thank you all guys, am wondering getting some "china" phone, but seems like there is a problem with MediaTek CPU/chipset - the support of custom roms is quite small if none for some CPU/chipset/phones.
Can anyone explain me to this. If to get a phone with Mediatek chip, which one to get for widest custom rom support? Or is it like that the only thing matter is the model of CPU and custom rom working on specific CPU will work fine on other phone with same CPU?

Try the Oppo Find 7A or 7. Same device in a sense, only it has native Color OS (and no touchscreen issues). Sadly, NO LTE on some carriers. I think the Find 7 is $500 while the 7A is $400. In the US, hard to get, but not impossible, trust me. The 7 is QHD (2K resolution) while the 7A is 1080p. For that case, I went with the 7A as it packs more of a punch.
Or the Xiaomi Mi3W or Mi4, the native MIUI phones. Again, lack of LTE on US carriers but trust me, they are very fast, unique and a breath of fresh air since stock ("vanilla" android) TouchWiz, Optimus UI and Sense have gotten boring. Pricing varies, but average from $300 to $400, just watch out where you order it from.
Lastly, the Moto X 2014 packs quite a punch and a beautiful display, and you have a good warranty back up. Be sure to skip the Verizon model (XT1096) as it cannot have its bootloader unlocked and root is VERY limited. They can now be ordered for as little as $400 for the 16GB or $450 for the 32GB, and customized options do not affect pricing unless you opt in for accessories.
I cannot recommend the Nexus 5 as it had very aggressive thermal throttling, so you never experience the 2.3GHz at its fullest, it has also been pulled out of Google's lineup. The HTC One M8 is a MARVELOUS device, and very lag free, however, it has heat issues, sometimes they begin over a short amount of time and that heat will QUICKLY deteriorate the battery. The LG G3 has a nice display, however, it is a lag machine. You really can not use it for 3D games. The G2 is also old and problematic. The G Flex 1 is still worth considering, but it is HUGE, the POLED display is very prone to burned in imaged if not properly taken care of, the curved display is weird to some and it has a 720p resolution. It is however pretty darn great. The G Flex 2 sports a Snapdragon 810, but that is not a good thing. It has been noted that the 810 heats up ALOT, which is why the Xiaomi Mi5 might use the 808 and the G4 is confirmed to have gone with the 808. The Galaxy S5 and Note 3 have very slow UI animations and overall do not have great performance. The bloatware on them is also through the roof. The newer Note 4, Note Edge, S6 and S6 Edge are just too pricey. The Nexus 6 is a HUGE Moto X 2014, but it has a bit of a price tag, and if your hands are not as big as mine, you can forget it. It has superb performance. The Droid Turbo is beginning to meet its end at high prices when it comes to used ones, but again, no bootloader unlock and root is limited.
I would REALLY recommend sticking to it for a while longer as the OnePlus Two is around the corner, the Moto X 2015 is already being rumored, the Xiaomi Mi5 MIGHT enter the US market (if your in the USA) and so on. It might also be a bad idea to hold on to it as the release of the OnePlus Two will mean fans of the OnePlus One will want to sell theirs to get the newer one, and the used value of it will drop significantly or become a challenge to get rid of.

Nexus 5 2015 (LG VS HUAWEI)?

As we come closer to October, it's always fun to speculate!
Would you rather have the LG Nexus 5 or the Huawei made Nexus 5?
here's a re-cap on the "rumored" specs so far:
LG Nexus 5:
- Snapdragon 808 processor
- 4GB RAM
- 5.2 inch display
- 2700mAh battery.
Huawei Nexus 5
- Snapdragon 810
- 3500mAh battery
-5.7 inch display
- likely 4GB of ram
so, yeah...which one would you choose?
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Definitely LG.

Would prefer the one coming with 820.... 808 is weak in graphics and 810 is heater which becomes a oven in India.... ??

Definitely the LG. Since these phones are kinda being seen as "sequels", the Hauwei Nexus is just too damn big for me, same exact reason why I don't want an N6. The LG model seems like it's gonna be the perfect update to an already capable design.
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Would like the future LG Nexus to have at least 3000mAh battery. Might go with the Huawei if it is only 2700.
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LG all the way...

LG without question.
I'd rather just get the N6 if it ends up being that Huawei. Actually, I would just keep my N5 2013 at that point..

LG did very well with the N4 and N5-13...so why not again.
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LG without doubt

Interesting results so far.
I am happy with the way LG handled the nexus 5 2013 and will likely not stray away from them in 2015.
LG all the way!
(I S hold have done a poll)

I will just avoid anything with 810

Where did you hear it will be the 810? I've only heard rumors of 820.
That a side I would prefer the lg unless like others mentioned that is the battery size then I'll give the huawei a shot. Also depends on other things too. Speaker placement, wireless charging, price. Ect

LG for damn sure. Nexus 4 have already served me well for 2 full years, and Nexus 5 as a backup device also gave me a nice impression. It just feels like Nexus should be made by LG by now... especially since no one else got it "righter" than LG
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I dont know if 808 is such a good decision considering that the g4 has it and lg is planning to release a 820 version already later this year. I dont know.. I would rather have the 810 or 820 which really is a jump

remember, these are all just Rumored specs. All three companies(google, LG, Huawei) have been silent
even if Huawei releases the 820 (I heard the chip is coming out in Dec. so, it wont be in phones till at least summer '16) it looks as if most people would still choose the LG made Nexus.

I loved my N5. but I had to switch to LG G4 because of speaker/sound quality. I need all day long to talk on phone and it became really anoying after couple minutes the poor sound.
But the N5 support on developement is great and esteticly I loved it.
So I'm really excited about the new N5.
I just hope it wont be equiped with SnapDragon 810 because of overheat. Where I live in summer it's about 40 degrees, so... you know
Ans for sure, I hope LG will release it!!!!! LG all the way!

Wow, look at those poll results, lol. After using the Nexus 6 for a couple months and never really enjoying it I am waiting for a smaller phone. Even 5.5 is too big. I am hoping a 5.2" LG will feel similar to the current Nexus 5.

This big phone trend is completely idiotic, its like no manufacturer scans the market to see what people want. The sweet spot for most people is 4.7-5.0 (more or less). Yet they keep making phones too ****in big and give no alternative, its just plain stupid. They just release the "mini" versions, completely idiotic cripled versions of flagship phones, overpriced. Sony is the only one who has some sense about this, but their prices are way too high.
If any brand like lg or sony or htc made a flagship phone with a good cpu, a 4.7 inch screen(or maybe even 5.0 with reduced borders) 1080p, 2 or 3gb ram, a good 3000mah battery and a price point of around 350 euros or something, it would probably become the top selling phone in little time. But no, lets make them all 5.5 or even bigger and always with some flaw to keep the consumer from buying it lol.
True that some people like big phones, but most people dont...I dont understand why manufacturers cant figure this out honestly...

migueldbr said:
This big phone trend is completely idiotic, its like no manufacturer scans the market to see what people want. The sweet spot for most people is 4.7-5.0 (more or less). Yet they keep making phones too ****in big and give no alternative, its just plain stupid. They just release the "mini" versions, completely idiotic cripled versions of flagship phones, overpriced. Sony is the only one who has some sense about this, but their prices are way too high.
If any brand like lg or sony or htc made a flagship phone with a good cpu, a 4.7 inch screen(or maybe even 5.0 with reduced borders) 1080p, 2 or 3gb ram, a good 3000mah battery and a price point of around 350 euros or something, it would probably become the top selling phone in little time. But no, lets make them all 5.5 or even bigger and always with some flaw to keep the consumer from buying it lol.
True that some people like big phones, but most people dont...I dont understand why manufacturers cant figure this out honestly...
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With the exception of battery you described three nexus 5. Or z3 compact (and it's not selling that much) I want the same size screen as nexus 5, but definitely more than 2gb of ram. 3 minimum, but would like 4 so the phone could last more than a year.

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With the exception of battery you described three nexus 5. Or z3 compact (and it's not selling that much) I want the same size screen as nexus 5, but definitely more than 2gb of ram. 3 minimum, but would like 4 so the phone could last more than a year.
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you just reinforced my point. Nexus 5 flaw: battery.
Why couldn't they just stick a better battery on it, even if it increased the price a bit? I like my nexus 5 very much but i hate battery life on this phone and will probably exchange it for a better alternative(hopefully the new 5.2 nexus if it comes with good battery life)
the z3 compact isnt selling much because its price is way too high. Put its price around 250 euros (which would suit given the specs it has) and it would sell like a flagship phone. It was actually one of my choices before the nexus 5. But when i saw the price asked for it...way too high and went for the N5 instead
btw i would rather have 2gb ram with a good battery than 3 or 4gb with a crappy one...since manufacturers always want to cut costs i would prefer they would not cut on battery

Anyone coming from an LG G6? Is it worth the upgrade?

I've come close to buying a Pixel 3 a few times now but just not sure it it's worth the upgrade.
My 2 main issues are LG's version of Android + lack of updates and overall speed/snappiness.
$500 for 4GB of ram in 2019 seems like a bad decision. Plus no sd card slot or headphone jack, and last year's 845 Snapdragon.
Is there really that much of a noticeable difference in speed and camera quality?

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I've come close to buying a Pixel 3 a few times now but just not sure it it's worth the upgrade.
My 2 main issues are LG's version of Android + lack of updates and overall speed/snappiness.
$500 for 4GB of ram in 2019 seems like a bad decision. Plus no sd card slot or headphone jack, and last year's 845 Snapdragon.
Is there really that much of a noticeable difference in speed and camera quality?
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I'm just about to buy a Pixel 3 to go sidewards from a Nokia 8 Sirocco (went with this inititally due to cheaper Android One experience in a small form factor with an OLED screen).
I guess I get a Snapdragon 845 instead of 835, but the Sirocco has 6GB of ram compared to the Pixel on 4GB.
It's definitely an issue Google only went with 4GB of RAM, but I guess the question always is
"Do you actually notice a real world difference, or could someone tell you that you have 6GB and you wouldn't know any different?". It's a phone operating system, not Windows.
What are you using the phone for? Heavy gaming? Maybe consider it. If it's just like me and its commutting whilst listening to music/posting on social media and if there is ever any gaming its things like Peggle, I doubt we'll notice 4GB.
Google's camera lenses might not be the best in the industry, but their software is and while there are lots of Gcam ports, being on the Pixel means one of the best camera experiences overall. No gimmicks, just great photos.
The only other thing I could suggest to you right now is with the Pixel 4 dropping this year, might be worth waiting for cheaper deals.
As for the headphone jack, I've been team headphone jack since forever, but I reluctantly gave it up with the Sirocco and I guess I've just got used to it. With USB C headphones that is. **** ever going wireless and having to charge headphones.

I had a G6, and the Pixel 3 is a better phone (purely imo, obviously) but as you say, the specs and cost might not be the best deal you can get in 2019.

I came from an LG V10 and I do not think it was worth the money overall.