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Hello,
I'm curious to know is the 3G HSPA 2100/1700 frequency hardware based or software?
For example can one change the frequency to point say at 850MHz?
I'm currently with Rogers, and their 3G network is not on the same band.
Thanks
Nah, its a hardware restriction. Tmobile did this because 2100-1700 are dedicated 3G pipelines. They device does not have 850 or 1900 wcdma only 21-1700
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1763
this is so it can not be used on at&t 3g.
if i remember correctly 1700 is for d/l and 2100 is for u/l
i dont know much about phones....or the various cellphone network types.
But isn't a frequency a frequency? Wouldn't it be the softwares job to interpret the data on the various frequencies?
jrgong420 said:
i dont know much about phones....or the various cellphone network types.
But isn't a frequency a frequency? Wouldn't it be the softwares job to interpret the data on the various frequencies?
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True, software could interprete the singnal, it just wouldn't be as efficient.
The easiest comparison I could make would be video enconding on a PC. You can have your PC encode a video in h.264 it will just take a while. Meanwhile your HD-DVR is doing the same thing in real time. The difference is the dedicated chip in the HD-DVR that only does h.264 encoding.
I have no idea if there's a way to get the raw signal from one of the other radios, let alone if there's enough power in the G1 to interpret it without the chip. I'd guess not on both cases.
benmyers2941 said:
The easiest comparison I could make would be video enconding on a PC. You can have your PC encode a video in h.264 it will just take a while. Meanwhile your HD-DVR is doing the same thing in real time. The difference is the dedicated chip in the HD-DVR that only does h.264 encoding.
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Nice comparison... but I think it is more like a wireless router. A 802.11b router can't use 802.11g... why not they run on the same frequency? Because it isn't just the frequency you have to look at. G takes a different amount of power than B. Same with the different bands. 2100 take a different amount than 850.
If you really want to see a comparison wiki radio frequencies and you will see why cb radios and those little walkie talkies don't work on all frequencies too. There is a lot more to it than just telling the radio to go up or down a couple numbers.
Nope
Qualcomm 7201 Chipset and Baseband is fully Compatible with 850 / 1700 / 2100 / 1900 Bands
You just have to have additional Component on the Board to have additional Support
Please see the motherboard Diagram its Self Sufficient i think.
hetaldp said:
Nope
Qualcomm 7201 Chipset and Baseband is fully Compatible with 850 / 1700 / 2100 / 1900 Bands
You just have to have additional Component on the Board to have additional Support
Please see the motherboard Diagram its Self Sufficient i think.
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I thought it was GSM 850 / GSM 900 / GSM 1800 / GSM 1900 WCDMA 1700 / WCDMA 2100
Is GSM 850 the same as WCDMA 850?
But it looks like you answered two questions with that post... someone else was looking for pics of the phones insides. Good job finding those.
Its all hardware based and will not work on at&t 3G. The phone does not have the hardware to pick up 850/1900mhz frequency. Tmobile did this not to screw people over but because they have no need to. The phone was made for T-mobile there is no reason to support at&t bands.
Just like everyone said, it is a hardware thing. As far as I know, since T-Mobile got the short straw and got the 1700MHz band, there really isn't a "universal" phone now that can operate on all GSM and all 3G frequencies worldwide yet. Manufacturers would have to have like 9 total bands supported and with the trend towards smaller and smaller phones, it's something that gets cut early. So the short of it is this: expecting the G1 to work on AT&T's 3G band is a lot like expecting an FM-only radio to pick up AM signals.....or exactly like expecting an American FM radio to pick up all the FM stations in Japan (which uses a wider FM band.)
But keep in mind that the 1700/2100 numbers don't refer to a specific frequency, but a band of frequencies at or around the number. If you've ever used a shortwave radio, you know that they use terms like "the 11-meter band," which is a range of frequencies with a wavelength of around 11m. Luckily, the range of the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile USA uses overlaps the European band enough to make the phone work over there.
Doesn't the tilt do 1700?
neoobs said:
Doesn't the tilt do 1700?
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If I'm not mistaken, the Tilt was released before the 1700MHz band was a reality.
beartard said:
If I'm not mistaken, the Tilt was released before the 1700MHz band was a reality.
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You are correct... I remember reading on AT&T thou that it was 1700... but then again we all know how well the cell phone companies advertise specs LOL
Something Interesting...
I found something that might be of interest... If you install "Any Cut" and create a link for "Phone Info" (Long press on you desktop, then > Shortcut > Any Cut > Activity> Phone Info). Once created, you will have a shortcut on your desktop for "Phone Info". Click the "Phone Info" Shortcut and press the menu key. Then click the menu option "Select radio b..." From here you will have the option to change your radio band:
Set GSM/UMTS band:
Automatic
EURO Band
USA Band
Japan Band
AUS Band
AUS2 Band
This would suggest to me that the radio can be controlled via software. What do the experts think? Do you think we could get 3G working on AT&T's Network?
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I found something that might be of interest... If you install "Any Cut" and create a link for "Phone Info" (Long press on you desktop, then > Shortcut > Any Cut > Activity> Phone Info). Once created, you will have a shortcut on your desktop for "Phone Info". Click the "Phone Info" Shortcut and press the menu key. Then click the menu option "Select radio b..." From here you will have the option to change your radio band:
Set GSM/UMTS band:
Automatic
EURO Band
USA Band
Japan Band
AUS Band
AUS2 Band
This would suggest to me that the radio can be controlled via software. What do the experts think? Do you think we could get 3G working on AT&T's Network?
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You try it and tell us if any of them work LOL... I think it all depends on the hardware first... Remember the android is built to be on many phones
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neoobs said:
You try it and tell us if any of them work LOL... I think it all depends on the hardware first... Remember the android is built to be on many phones
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My phone is locked. I can't use my AT&T SIM. Sorry. But when I switch to different bands, I do loose my signal until I switch back.
I have a friend who builds small electronic devices. If I had a damaged tilt would it be possible to remove the 3G antenna and a few resistors and replace the ones in the G1 to make it work on the ATT 3G bands?
Does anyone know enough about the board construction to know what would need to be replaced?
I did use that activity to change the band to get it to work with my provider here in the United Arab Emirates. The thing is I honestly don't know what they are using, publishing reliable info is not a strong point of the operators around here. I grabbed that of a web-site:
The Middle East operators are using the primary 2.1 GHz band for the UMTS/HSDPA operation. Not too precise eh.
I used the Japan labeled band.(?)
sim unlock GI via 611
I was on the horn with CS anyway and figured it would be worth a try to ask for an unlock code request for my G1, they dont have the magic keygens at the Tmob secret base, they have to request it from the OEM, back in the day they gave them out but after many public keygens they got a bit pickier about who get the keys to the liquor cabnet.
when mine comes Ill get an at&T prepay bump sim and mess about a bit just to prove it wont work, and to everybody else ...CALL 611!! ask them for the unlock code tell um you go back and forth to Europe or Iraq or Pagopago, I may not be necessarry but I always have a bit of fun with the story, it used to be a email system send imei to "[email protected]" and get your code in a few days, the good ole dayz
bhang
mistadman said:
I found something that might be of interest... If you install "Any Cut" and create a link for "Phone Info" (Long press on you desktop, then > Shortcut > Any Cut > Activity> Phone Info). Once created, you will have a shortcut on your desktop for "Phone Info". Click the "Phone Info" Shortcut and press the menu key. Then click the menu option "Select radio b..." From here you will have the option to change your radio band:
Set GSM/UMTS band:
Automatic
EURO Band
USA Band
Japan Band
AUS Band
AUS2 Band
This would suggest to me that the radio can be controlled via software. What do the experts think? Do you think we could get 3G working on AT&T's Network?
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The Menu is shown as the Chipset Qualcomm 7201 actually supports These Bands, But it Require Radio RF/TS Unit to Actually Push Radio Frequcny via Internal antenna. Seeing the Board Picture it only have 1700 and 2100 RF Units. So even is Chipset is compatible it can not Push the Signal or Received Signal other then it is made for. I think in Future then can alter some Hardware and make it more compatible.
So, I'm wondering if I had a broken tilt with the 850 transmit antenna chip in it if I could have that antenna module removed and put in the G1 would that be all that is needed to work on the ATT 3G network?
Anybody, know if that might work since the chipset seems to support the frequency?
I can't afford to pay more than $175 for my phone. I'm a long time ATT customer and can't/won't change carriers. So, I'm trying to get one off of Craigslist or Ebay for about $250.00 or $275.00.
If anyone knows where I can get one for that price please let me know. If I can get one I'll try the antenna replacement idea.
hi there, i was wondering, since this phone has MSM8960 which is LTE-capable, and is in fact an LTE phone save for the fact that it is locked to 1900mhz, if it would be possible to "unlock" the radio to be able to use EU/World LTE frequencies.
now, i know that the antenna inside is most likely tuned to 1900mhz so the reception would not be optimal, but still i'm curious cause i found out that there is a tool called QPST service programing from qualcomm that seems to be able to change the radio settings
example link -> http://galaxys4root.com/galaxy-s4-t...aws-bands-on-att-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337sgh-i337m/
so yeah, has anybody tried yet?
Braccoz said:
hi there, i was wondering, since this phone has MSM8960 which is LTE-capable, and is in fact an LTE phone save for the fact that it is locked to 1900mhz, if it would be possible to "unlock" the radio to be able to use EU/World LTE frequencies.
now, i know that the antenna inside is most likely tuned to 1900mhz so the reception would not be optimal, but still i'm curious cause i found out that there is a tool called QPST service programing from qualcomm that seems to be able to change the radio settings
example link -> http://galaxys4root.com/galaxy-s4-t...aws-bands-on-att-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337sgh-i337m/
so yeah, has anybody tried yet?
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I haven't such QPST knowledge, but I believe that QPST can enable the missing bands only if the are listed by the baseband, and then purposely disabled by Motorola when it sells the same phone in different areas.
I'm afraid it's not our case, given the phone is meant for a single market.
I believe that the antennas and filters shouldn't be a big problem, the problem is to have an hacked baseband, which is a task that very few people can do.
That said keep what I wrote with a grain of salt, and see if someone else has better ideas.
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I haven't such QPST knowledge, but I believe that QPST can enable the missing bands only if the are listed by the baseband, and then purposely disabled by Motorola when it sells the same phone in different areas.
I'm afraid it's not our case, given the phone is meant for a single market.
I believe that the antennas and filters shouldn't be a big problem, the problem is to have an hacked baseband, which is a task that very few people can do.
That said keep what I wrote with a grain of salt, and see if someone else has better ideas.
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nah, it should be just a matter of chaning the right NV settings to the appropriate values. that's the hard part basically, cause there are a ton and it's not immediate to locate them
i mean that biggest problem is antena switch
CornholioGSM said:
i mean that biggest problem is antena switch
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Still a guess, but I blieve that hardly the switch would be a problem, if properly driven.
Btw a definite answer to this question should come identifying the switch IC and checking its datasheet.
Do you know what IC is doing that function in our Phone ?
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Still a guess, but I blieve that hardly the switch would be a problem, if properly driven.
Btw a definite answer to this question should come identifying the switch IC and checking its datasheet.
Do you know what IC is doing that function in our Phone ?
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if i dont forgot i can check it tomorrow
this thread is very actual in our time. I would also like to check out LTE for other bands in Verizon phones.
the problem is that topic starter gives link to activate AWS band, it's not LTE, it's WCDMA 1700MHz
olegfusion said:
this thread is very actual in our time. I would also like to check out LTE for other bands in Verizon phones.
the problem is that topic starter gives link to activate AWS band, it's not LTE, it's WCDMA 1700MHz
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It was just an example, I believe.
And BTW would be nice to have the UMTS900 too.
In Italy some small areas are already covered, and starting from January/2014 wil be possible for the Operators to use it nationwide.
I tested it already on during the last summer vacations and is just awesome.
Better coverage than GSM900. with the speed of 3G.
Take a look at page 3 of Atrix HD teardown:
http://www.techinsights.com/uploade...2013/techinsights-motorola-atrix-hd-mb886.pdf
There are not only antenna switches at play, but also band specific power amplifiers.
Besides the hardware parts, I guess that our BP firmware will also be one of the show stoppers for achieving LTE e.g. at 800Mhz on Q.
[Atrix HD is very similar device (we share the same kernel) and we are able to use also its BP firmware to some extent (so the BP signature seems to be the same as on Q).]
olegfusion said:
the problem is that topic starter gives link to activate AWS band, it's not LTE, it's WCDMA 1700MHz
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it was just an example so show that it is actually possible to unlock frequencies the phone was not meant to work with
kabaldan said:
Take a look at page 3 of Atrix HD teardown:
http://www.techinsights.com/uploade...2013/techinsights-motorola-atrix-hd-mb886.pdf
There are not only antenna switches at play, but also band specific power amplifiers.
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Nice find, thanks.
Interestingly enough looks like the Atrix HD doesn't have any ACPM-5005, which is present (for sure) on the Photon Q, (is a band 5 850MHz power amplifier), while the Atrix HD is stated to support that band.
Too bad I cant read the full list of PQ ICs, some of them are unreadable, on the broken logic board I have handy.
For sure there are two ACPM-5002 (band 2/1900Mhz) power amplifiers, and the ACPM-7051, quad band GSM and band 1 & 5 (2100/850) LTE/UMTS/LTE PA
At least looks like the signals are routed differently between the two phones
Hi team,
I have a Cubot S200 4.4,
Kernel 3.4.67,
Build Number; Z49W5_CQ_CUBOT_GJHW_S200_V01
I bought this phone from China and i am in Panama. For some reason my phone just connects to EDGE and is not receiving any 3G signal.
Please let me know if there is any way to have it working on 3G bands.
Please help me!
Hi
Thanks for writing to us at XDA Assist. There are a couple of things you should check. The first is the available networks on the device. I can see that this device operates on HSDPA 850 / 2100. So you need to double check which bands your service provider operates on and make sure it's compatible. The next thing to check is your APN settings, make sure your service provider's APN settings match those that are in the phone.
Band 1900
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Hi
Thanks for writing to us at XDA Assist. There are a couple of things you should check. The first is the available networks on the device. I can see that this device operates on HSDPA 850 / 2100. So you need to double check which bands your service provider operates on and make sure it's compatible. The next thing to check is your APN settings, make sure your service provider's APN settings match those that are in the phone.
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Looks like my provider use band 1900 that is not on my phone. Is there any way i can Add that band to my phone?
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Looks like my provider use band 1900 that is not on my phone. Is there any way i can Add that band to my phone?
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No you can't, that's a hardware limitation, and that's why it's important to research a device before you purchase it to make sure it meets the requirements of the network that you use. Your options now are to change your service provider or to change your phone.
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Thread closed, thanks.
Does anyone know how to lock signal to 2g only??? not 2g/3g
Devaanp said:
Does anyone know how to lock signal to 2g only??? not 2g/3g
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In dialpad type *#*#4636#*#* and choose phone information then choose preferred network GSM only
jhosharath said:
In dialpad type *#*#4636#*#* and choose phone information then choose preferred network GSM only
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Thanks! Didn't know that..
jhosharath said:
In dialpad type *#*#4636#*#* and choose phone information then choose preferred network GSM only
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thanks dude, it works
little solution for extending battery life
Are you guys finding network usage high
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Are you guys finding network usage high
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Not really, but using 4G or selecting automatically 2G/3G/4G makes phone searching best signal too often and that draining battery than locking signal
That's all I know
CMIIW
I have tried this since i want to use a metal band bumper case but i loose signal dropping into 2g definitely helped boost signal.
Hi
Can't seem to get a straight answer out of Samsung live chat.
Are the confirmed frequencies and bands of S908U published somewhere?
Check www.kimovil.com. Really great site to check bands and whether device will work in a certain country and /or carrier.
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Check www.kimovil.com. Really great site to check bands and whether device will work in a certain country and /or carrier.
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Is it reliable and accurate? eg 16gb ram.
I did see that beforehand but couldn't see where they sourced the frequency info from.