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[Q] WP7 port to Captivae possible?

I know this post is coming out a little prematurely, but I couldn't help but notice that the Samsung Focus and the Samsung Captivate are identical phones... not only are they identical but they are running on the same network (modem drivers and such would be the same) ... does anyone know if this port would be possible?

They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.

Why is everyone so hyped about WP7? Doesnt anyone remember how lame windows mobile was? Everytime I see someone post about WP7 its like its going to revolutionize smartphones. Theres not much they can do that already isnt being done. WP7....so lame. And it looks like ATT is trying to jump on that ship first and offer a big selection of handsets at launch....go figure. At least they got something right and got one of the best android phones available for now. Its not great out of the box but with all the roms and mods on XDA its starting to show some real potential.

Smallsmx3 said:
Why is everyone so hyped about WP7?.
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Have to disagree here. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast than WM 6 or 6.5. You can't compare the two. Different UIs, different use cases, different applications and core technologies. Everyone's hyped because it seems Microsoft might have finally done something right when it comes to mobile devices. Every tech journalist I've heard talk about their preview WP7 devices has been very happy. And as someone who picked an Android phone because I wanted a choice in how I use it, the possibility of WP7 running on it just adds one more choice.

Why on earth would you ever want a car that's not colored black?
Sending a rocket ship to the moon is preposterous!
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
I love it when people shoot down ideas without thinking it through to all possible conclusions beyond their own.
I wouldn't mind seeing WP7 getting ported some day. Choices are good.

multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.

hashish16 said:
multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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Just add a good DOS emulator (I know DOSBox was being ported some day) in that list and I'll be totally excited.

Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.

And linux, unix, posix apps belongs on them even less. Oh, wait...
Stop trying to start Fanboy discussions and OS flame wars. Do you run your phone completely in Terminal? Do you expect a WP7 device to have a start button on the screen? Get viruses? Blue Screen?
Each platform has merits and competition is a good thing in almost every case. Choice on a device designed for one platform being able to run another offers bragging rights for the developers and gives more power back to the community.

I'm for the phone that gives me what I want it to do and the freedom to do it.
IOS = locked into the iWorld of iTunes, extreme DRM, and I can only use the device.
Android = the freedom I wanted at a price. Custom flashing ROMS to even get my device to work as intended. But I can do whatever I want with it and don't have to worry about DRM.
WP7 = locked into the M$ world. Again I think it will be highly restrictive on what you can do. I'm sure there will be people (here on XDA) that will hack it.. but it will still be Windows for your phone - and therefore limited.
I'll stick with my single boot Android device - Although it would have that "nerdy cool factor" to have multiple OS's to boot my phone into... I'd rather have one working OS than 2 or 3 that were buggy as hell.

This has been gone over to death, Will it happen?.....Maybe. Will it be soon I dought it. I left WM for Android due to seeing the road M$ was going down with WP7. I have yet to lay Judgment on WP7 till I can get some hands on time with it but to tell the truth I dont see it being an option for me personally as I hot swap SD cards all time due to diff projects, Class, Work, Music...ect. The inability to do so with WP7 is just a deal breaker for me, not to mention no ETA on copy and past. I see WP7 as an early version of IOS, locked in to many ways while they try to get base functions to work right.

Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
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LOL...once upon a time I had a computer with a 2 gig HDD...I told a friend of mine "There's no way I'll EVER fill this up!!"

sremick said:
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
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Microsoft being the maker of WP7 has almost nothing to do with Microsoft Windows. How much of Mac OS do you see in the iPhone? Just because someone doesn't like Mac does not mean they will hate the iPhone.

I was thinking this too...
Hardware agnostic smartphones... I wrote about it over at my blog TheProfessorNotes
Excerpt: Since the start of the smartphone experience, the hardware and the operating system have been so tightly integrated that one is hard to distinguish from the other. This started as far back as the Springboard Sprint phone hardware attachment for the Handspring Visor, and continues today with the Windows 7 phones, the iPhone and in reality the Android phone. But what if the phones (hardware) and the soul of the phones, the mobile OS’s, could be separated?

emuneee said:
They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
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Did they prove that the Focus has a snapdragon? I knew the Omina7 did, but the last spec sheet i saw said the Focus was unknown. It would still be a pretty darn close match with the graphics being the only potential problem....

Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft but I see no problem with them? I'm currently on Windows 7 and I can customize the daylights out of it. So, is there really a problem?
Besides, Windows 7 is going to be a serious gaming platform, as this is Microsoft's entry into the mobile gaming world. So...the most powerful phone out...with a gaming OS...sounds like a major win to me!

I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*

sschrupp said:
I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'll drink to that

The hardest part would be getting the hummingbird processor to work with the windows 7 platform. I wouldn't mind a dual boot phone though. Android/wm7/ios.
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WP7 OS requires a hardware PVK chip on-board in-order to function at all. That will be the hardest part. Even the ppl hacking HTC HD2 can only get it to operate in DEMO only mode because of the lacking of that chip.

Is Android still doomed in its current form?

A tenuous connection but a thread in the Galaxy S2 forum leads me to wonder whether the present popularity of Android is a bubble about to burst in the very near future.
Why? Fragmentation, of course.
This is still such a serious concern I find it astonishing that Google isn't doing more to address the issue - Icecream Sandwich is rumoured to merge the phone and tablet ecosystems but it doesn't address the fundamental problem.
Taking a quick look at the Android Market gives us a clearer understanding. It's now so difficult to reliably develop for multiple devices, we even have multiple markets. EA release on one, then there's Tegra Zone, Gameloft, and many others. Divide it further by Android version and region, and it's no wonder that Google is panicking about low app sales.
Then we have the compatibility problems between phones. The most common review on most new apps is a one-star "Doesn't work on my [insert phone]. Uninstalled." Yet this is an app that worked perfectly in the emulator on multiple Android versions and on the developer's own device, and the support from Google is non-existent.
This is the case even on the simplest apps because they're expected to take into account almost unbelievably complicated hardware configurations. Look at the way Samsung handle their internal storage by referring to it as "/sdcard", with the actual SD card in a subdirectory and called "external_sd". Except when you look at it in a memory manager, you get "System Storage", "USB Storage", and "SD Card." Doesn't work? No bloody wonder!
Now take into account anything that uses OpenGL. You'd think that this would work across all devices but no, vastly different architectures leave a pond of 3D-ness with little islands of individual game compatibility.
On one front you have incredibly powerful devices such as the Galaxy S2, on the other you have the capable Tegra platform being pushed like crazy by nVidia who offer support on condition that games are locked to their platform. Could you imagine where we'd be without Chainfire, who's stunning insight allows us to share most of these games across all platforms.
But why didn't Google do this? The openness of Android is a great thing - even though, of course, it's not really open any more - yet this wide hardware and software ecosystem may well be its downfall.
Consider Windows Phone 7 (have one of these in addition to my Android phone). 18 months ago it was considered a laughing stock by the community - now, it's charging ahead with Mango, the update will be released to every single phone regardless of age, the app store is filling up with useful apps, and Google and Apple are both running scared.
So... is it the end of Android as we know it?

...... You really shouldn't ask yourself easy questions. So your saying a metro pcs android phone should be able to handle everything in the market? At no point when my girl bought her netbook did she think that it could handle crysis.
So in your perfect world android should only be one certain type of hardware. Also most likely one form factor.
Fragmentation has never affected me
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Sorry I don't post all that often but anyhoo, this I felt compelled to reply to because you're trying to compare a banana to a small weasel.
I owned a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone. What a piece of junk. And app development was a nightmare. It was like Android, running on a plethora of different hardware configurations, but also unlike Android in that it had no centralized app repository nor any sort of openness or support for non-Windows platforms.
And now you have Windows Phone 7, which has addressed all the shortcomings of 6.5 and early with an entirely new approach, and yes, it is definitely one way of solving a problem. But they've also done what Microsoft does best and browbeaten vendors into meeting their minimum standards for phones, which is *why* there's near-perfect app support. You buy a WinMo phone yep, you can guarantee it'll run apps because they're all built to a minimum standard which is not minimal at all.
I have my beautiful little heavily hacked T-Mobile Comet that I got free with a contract extension. It might be a little slow sometimes but it lets me read my books and make my calls and listen to my tunes and it's all I need from a smart phone. You can run servers on it and connect to work networks and block ads and all manner of things that can never be done without great difficulty on a platform like Win Phone 7.
The sheer might and majesty of Android is in the "fragmentation." I can run the latest 2.3 on a phone built for 2.2, overclock well past factory, and it doesn't blink or drain battery in half an hour. The specs are WAY below what would be considered the "minimum" for a Windows Phone and yet here it is running the latest and greatest without complaint. It wouldn't even get past the bootloader with Windows. I love that. You can accomplish so much with Android, in fact if there's a bug you can usually figure out how to fix it yourself or find a dev who has an idea on the subject.
I'll gladly take Firefox not being built for my phone yet over Windows where I might never see crucial software. There're other web browsers out there and the great thing about Android is, eventually it'll either be built officially or somebody'll figure out how to compile it. Good luck finding that with Windows Phone 7.

Android on playbook, thoughts?

So i was given a playbook. Honestly i think its terrible. Not that the interface or os is bad. Its just lacking everything that i would use it for.
As anyone who has tinkered a bit with a playbook knows, its possible to run converted playbook aps and get the market working. With many restrictions
I assume based on the lack of information on this that no one has actually gotten any version of android running on it. I dont mean an emulator or app. What im curious about is completely removing the rim software and getting android on it.
Might be impossible i dont know.
Does anyone know of any projects that are trying to accomplish this, or is it technically/ theoretically possible?
Just curious
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I wondered the same thing after seeing this: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/1323244/rims-playbook-on-clearance
First thing I did, after going to check out the Rim hardware specs and deal information, was come here to XDA to see if there was a Rim Playbook project or forum yet lol. Sure there will be soon with the hardware so much cheaper now.

[Q] Android ROM for Blackberry Q10?

I am a big fan of the hardware QWERTY keyboards and BB seems to be only choice for a phone with decent keyboard. The problem is that I prefer the Android OS.
I know that you are magicians here so the question is - is it possible to port android on BB Q10? I know that for the older BB phones it was impossible, but the new ones use hardware which quiet similar to the average android phone. I assume there should be no problem at least from driver point of view.
Thanks for the answer.

You should post your question/ request here...
http://www.blackberryforums.com/

Most of the people here works with Android or Linux. Android is an open source. It's easier and legal(Not sure about all county) to unlock the bootloader of an Android device. But in case of blackberry I don't think it is gonna be so. it's lot more secure. Last of all this magicians woks with basically Linux based OS. To port android on a Blackberry device you gotta know the Processor architecture(I don't think that's public for a BlackBerry device) of that device gotta make a completely new kernel so that the Device and OS know each other. I agree with you "That's possible" but I can only imagine what's it gonna take to make the word "Possible" true.

The processor in Q10 is Snapdragon S4. Knowing how Qualcom is structuring their business now, the radio should also be known from android phones. Yes the bootloader will be a challenge.
I also don't get point to forward me to the BB forums. Android has put on so many devices that it wasn't supposed to be. Yes they were easier, but I thought the people here like the challenges
Anyway the question was not exactly a request to start doing but to see if you know for such project already ongoing.

idimitro said:
The processor in Q10 is Snapdragon S4. Knowing how Qualcom is structuring their business now, the radio should also be known from android phones. Yes the bootloader will be a challenge.
I also don't get point to forward me to the BB forums. Android has put on so many devices that it wasn't supposed to be. Yes they were easier, but I thought the people here like the challenges
Anyway the question was not exactly a request to start doing but to see if you know for such project already ongoing.
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I don't think there are any of these projects.
Most people are not really interested in doing BB's because the specs mostly do not match the price compared to android.

laurensschu said:
Most people are not really interested in doing BB's because the specs mostly do not match the price compared to android.
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Well, a full QWERTY keyboard does weigh in for some of us

No updates on that subjet? Did someone started a projet on bbdroid? Personally i have a one (m7), a s6 edge, a note 3 and a nexus 6p, i use bb q10 for my job and i would like to custom my os on it what is really hard on bbos, android would be a clear solution do my customisation needs

[DISCUSSION] next OEM OS?

Sorry i got if i got the Title wrong but pretty much what im trying to get at is what is everyone's opinion on what the next OS from a Phone OEM? (HTC LG Samsung) it could have been that Samsung was jealous of Motorola's spotlight when google bought Moto back in (2012 was it? seems like a long time ago) and Samsung decided to make android less "Android" with the Galaxy notePRO 12.1 Launcher. Samsung also made the the new Samsung Gear 2 / neo (note that they dropped the galaxy name) With their own Ti zen OS instead of android like the previous model (there are reports of that new Tizen phone coming out aswell, it could be that they are just trying to try something new). what i'm trying to get at is does anyone else think HTC or LG or Motorola or Lenovo or whoever produces android phones/tablets make Slap android in the face with their own OS? i think this "Could" be the beginning of androids downfall
please Bark at me i want to see everyone's opinion!

To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.

Phenom2122 said:
To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.
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interesting thought, its obvious that it will take lots of effort to make android lose its place but i was only wanting to see other peoples thought on it, i agree with Tizen OS being low end, its supposed to be able to run android apps like Jolla and the newest blackberry tablet, for now all tizen looks like is a run down version of Touchwiz UX. hopefully nothing special, if its open source? hell yeah im going to get one. i am really interested how XDA is going to take on it.

I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.

Phenom2122 said:
I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.
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did a little research https://www.tizen.org/ your saying at last moment tizen will also become closed?

You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.

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You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.
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i doubt it would come upon other OEM devices, but so far since its open source and based on Linux, does that mean they are going to try to copy android (samsung can never think up of their own things huh? lots of apple lawsuits.)? if it will stay open source, does that mean we get some kind of control with flashing New OS's? (custom roms) i cant wait for it xD, samsungs old Bada OS was a great start.

It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.

Phenom2122 said:
It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.
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Right? im surprised a developer has not started a kick-starter to help with making a Open source Phone with most likely pure linux running atop. Bada OS (samsungs old OS, pretty much what tizen is now) has lots of common areas with touchwiz UI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada probably around the Galaxy s2 look though. and they changed from touchwiz on tizen because intel is working with them. cant wait to see how Jolla sailfish and nemo mobile will do.