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I think i'll be selling my TF by christmas and investing in the new Toshiba AT200.
Looks awsome.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/...o/?fb_ref=article&fb_source=profile_multiline
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Until they've got something to market, it still doesn't make a difference. It might look nice, but it also makes no mention of the connectivity, which is one reason the Transformer was so much better IMHO. Good luck though. Personally, I'd just wait until the next best thing after that comes out.
Why this when the Transformer 2 will be releasing this October?
This thing is no match for the TF2.
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Until they've got something to market, it still doesn't make a difference. It might look nice, but it also makes no mention of the connectivity, which is one reason the Transformer was so much better IMHO. Good luck though. Personally, I'd just wait until the next best thing after that comes out.
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microUSB
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dual core 1.2ghz TI OMAP 4430
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if this is Toshiba's apology for the thrive, I'll be picking it up in a heart beat.
Remember that is still a Toshiba... Hardware specs mean nothing without software that is up to date and supported. Toshiba is phenomenal at manufacturing components... Once they put them all together things don't go so well :-(
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microUSB
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if this is Toshiba's apology for the thrive, I'll be picking it up in a heart beat.
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I still see little reason to consider this, especially if you already have a Transformer......Even more so if you have the DOCK (such as I do). I'm sure it'll be nice, but I get the feeling Toshiba will be similar to Viewsonic....they put out the hardware, and don't bother updating the software, as others have posted.
I think it really comes down to 1 thing. Everyone seems to want the same thing in the end...A Samsung Galaxy Tablet(thin, light, and well made), with the connectivity of the Transformer. If someone could do that, they would have a truly winning product for every consumer.
Connectivity usually refers to wireless communications.
Expandability is what the Transformer has - and why I chose it (along with the price). That Toshiba looks pretty nice, but without the cool functionality of the TF's dock, I see no reason to switch it up.
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Agreed, "looks" awesome. But what do you get? A thinner tablet that will surely be inferior to T2 at a much higher price point. Seems a dubious switch to me.
I want to see what the Padfone looks like before I seriously consider swapping out my T1
No dock? No interest.
All your doing is exchanging one honeycomb tablet for another.
'7.7mm thin' WOW! means absolutely nothing
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...A thinner tablet that will surely be inferior to T2 at a much higher price point. Seems a dubious switch to me...
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"Inferior" because dual-core and not quad-core? Core count is a relative measure, just like clock speed. Its all the other that really makes the difference: graphics engine, video engine, frame buffer, cache, memory management, internal bus, power consumption and management etc.
For me good multimedia support on a pad is essential, and that means video support. I knew I couldn't expect top-notch hardware assisted video decoding from the Tegra family (read Boxee story) but what Tegra 2 offers is pathetic. Congrats nVidia for such a deception and effectively keeping it a hush hush secret! I don't care if Tegra 3/4/5 is advertised as "full" 1080p decoding support, such were the words for their current chips.
This doesn't immediately mean that OMAP processors are better at hardware video decoding just because TI says so. Real life will tell. But the good point is that alternative hardware exists.
The AT200 is sure more appetizing to my taste than the future Tegra 3 based pads.
Tegra 2 can play 1080p. They never said that they will support every encoding settings on these planet...
But what was the alternative? A Galaxy Tab 7.7 with a single core A8-CPU or an iPad 2 with a 4:3 Screen and a lower DPI.
I love my Transformer but hate the limited video decoding performance of Tegra 2. But in may there was no other Tablet with another SoC for me with the same specs - 16:9(10), DualCore, 10,1" and real Tablet-OS.
Tegra 3 will have no limitations with video decoding. nVidia showed a 1440p (2560x1440) video with 40Mbit/s at MWC in Barcelona.
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Tegra 2 can play 1080p. They never said that they will support every encoding settings on these planet...
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Of course I wasn't referring to extreme encoding. You can yourself create baseline L3.1 AVC encodings that _will not_ play.
nVidia itself lists almost every known compression under "Video 1080p decode"... (http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html) but as you correctly observed does not specify anywhere the limitations.
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But what was the alternative? A Galaxy Tab 7.7 with a single core A8-CPU or an iPad 2 with a 4:3 Screen and a lower DPI.
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Well the AT200 itself is a good alternative.
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Tegra 3 will have no limitations with video decoding. nVidia showed a 1440p (2560x1440) video with 40Mbit/s at MWC in Barcelona.
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Hopefully it's not a specially prepared stream just to demonstrate "look how good we can do".
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Of course I wasn't referring to extreme encoding. You can yourself create baseline L3.1 AVC encodings that _will not_ play.
nVidia itself lists almost every known compression under "Video 1080p decode"... (http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html) but as you correctly observed does not specify anywhere the limitations.
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Do you have a sample? I have three 1080p baseline trailers which playing fine.
Well the AT200 itself is a good alternative.
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Yes, but not in may.
In a few months there will be so many great Tablets with different SoCs.
Why in the hell do I care about another tablet. When I come to the TRANSFORMER forum I shouldn't have to search through this garbage in order to find info about the TRANSFORMER! Enough already!
I use the Toshiba AT-200 since 3 weeks now.
Works great.
I have just 3 questions :
1) I got sometimes some blinking of the "Date/Time/Wifi/... config panel" (the window that appears normaly when you click on the time on the bottom right of the screen) : Very annoying !
The only way i found to calm down the blinking is to Lock&delock the screen... (via the physical power button)
2) Android 3.2 is proposed natively by Toshiba. Is there a Android 4 version in developement ?
3) Am i in the right thread ? ;o)
Thanks in advance for your answers.
The new release of IPAD3 will hit Verizon and ATT on March 16, equipped with 4G+Wifi and non 4G. It's the fact that apple A5X chip (quad core) is 4 time faster that droid tegra 3, higher resolution (2048 x 1536 ipad vs Asus transformer 700series 1920 x 1200, which suppose to release around June, 2012). Together with the high end hardware, apple also boost their software with amazing video editor, autodesk (hand draw graphic design), camera editing software and namco games designed just for Ipad...I'm a droid fan but I just have to admit, Apple is one of warrior that we may NOT able to beat...I'm thinking of pick one up, the one without 4G (extra $30 a month) and use my charge for 4g tethering every time I'm on the road.
You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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Yea ***** what he said!....no offense buhohitr
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Yea ***** what he said!....no offense buhohitr
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Non taken, I'm here for a nice hobby and for fun....that's all.
Question: are you a Droid fan or Android fan?
Anyway,not much more to say than what Imnuts said. The thing is, the iPad 2's A5 chip proved to beat Tegra 3 in a series of benchmarks, though T3 was running on Honeycomb(and they were offscreen benchmarks). I wonder if the results would have been different if T3 was running on ICS.
What I'm very curious to see is Samsung's offering(higher resolution screen and quad core Exynos). Maybe even with bone stock ICS. That would be my dream tablet
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I have friends who are diehard apple fanboys and even they say they're not getting it because its "pretty much the same as the 2"... a lot of people are starting to catch on to what Imnuts said about marketing gimmicks and releasing old tech as "revolutionary"
that said I also agree that I'll be waiting for the next quad core beast from Asus ($200 Google Nexus tablet anyone?) or maybe Samsung but I don't want their ugly ass bloated touchwiz over ICS
p.s. the only good thing I could see being brought about by this 3rd iPad would be hopefully display manufacturers will see that its possible to make higher-than-1080p displays for a reasonable price... also LOL at them for including what is basically a laptop capacity battery in it, and I doubt it would really get 10 hours on 4G
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It still isn't worth getting one if the OS is just a magnified iPhone OS (like it can't do anything new compared to the iPhone 4s)
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You fell for Apple's use of fancy words. The A5X chip is a dual core cpu with a quad core gpu. Yes, you get no more CPU performance, just more graphics performance, which almost nothing takes advantage of fully now with the A5. Besides the updated screen and new software, there is really nothing spectacular about the new iPad. Just like the iPhone 4S update, it's a few minor spec bumps that Apple marketing (they are a marketing company that just happens to also sell stuff) made sound like the latest and greatest technology. Wait until other manufacturers get a chance to actually start using the new and upcoming quad-core SoCs
It's also not a Droid Tegra 3 or Droid pad. It is a Tegra 3 processor, which can be used by anyone on any platform, and Android Tablets. The Tegra 3 is actually a quad core cpu with 12 core gpu (technically 5 core cpu), and who knows how it will benchmark against Apple's chip, since Apple didn't release any firm details about how the new A5X benchmarked higher than the Tegra 3, or how much higher, or if it was a production Tegra 3 chip.
Personally, I would wait to see what Samsung comes up with this summer/fall to counter it, and even if they don't have anything, I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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Uh... no. iOS is GPU accelerated. Its interface and UI relies heavily on the GPU, much more so than Android. The stronger the GPU, for example, the less checkerboarding you experience when scrolling webpages. Of course this is more than negated by 4x the pixels, so day to day performance may not be as good as on the iPad 2.
In Anand's testing they found the iPad 2's GPU to be about 30% faster on average than the Tegra 3. Apple's 2x claim is probably based on a specific test that targets one of Tegra's numerous weaknesses. That said, the iPad 3 uses the same GPU as the PS VITA (albeit without the dedicated VRAM and to-the-metal programming). It's a beast. The same goes for that hi-res screen, which won't be surpassed by a shipping product for a year at least.
Apple claimed that in order to support such a super high resolution display, the A5X graphic chip is the key. But..what ever, Nvidia is going to bench mark the A5X and their Tegra 3...the true will reveal. I may add if indeed Tegra3 is faster, I'm a very happy guy, cause I have my eyes on the coming Asus Transformer 700 due to release sometime in June 2012. Beside the hardware, Apple also released 5 killer apps; video editor(amazing photo editor and movie maker), autodesk(free hand graphic design), 2 new games from Namco and Epic, icloud garage band where 4 people (drumer,guitar,keyboard,bass) can play the same song over the internet.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/123pibhargjknawdconwecown/event/index.html
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Apple claimed that in order to support such a super high resolution display, the A5X graphic chip is the key. But..what ever, Nvidia is going to bench mark the A5X and their Tegra 3...the true will reveal. I may add if indeed Tegra3 is faster, I'm a very happy guy, cause I have my eyes on the coming Asus Transformer 700 due to release sometime in June 2012. Beside the hardware, Apple also released 5 killer apps; video editor(amazing photo editor and movie maker), autodesk(free hand graphic design), 2 new games from Namco and Epic, icloud garage band where 4 people (drumer,guitar,keyboard,bass) can play the same song over the internet.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/123pibhargjknawdconwecown/event/index.html
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iCloud seems very similar to Google's cloud services.
As for Autodesk, doesn't that company have an app(or apps) for android as well? Both OS systems have Photoshop Touch, which seems like a great photo editing tools in its own right.
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iCloud seems very similar to Google's cloud services.
As for Autodesk, doesn't that company have an app(or apps) for android as well? Both OS systems have Photoshop Touch, which seems like a great photo editing tools in its own right.
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Obviously, you haven't read the link for apple event. We're not talking about photoshop and Autodesk for ipad3 is not same as android. Sure google has gcloud, but here we're talking about using the cloud to play music as a band using Ipad3 as music instrument. Click on the link and find out more....
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Uh... no. iOS is GPU accelerated. Its interface and UI relies heavily on the GPU, much more so than Android. The stronger the GPU, for example, the less checkerboarding you experience when scrolling webpages. Of course this is more than negated by 4x the pixels, so day to day performance may not be as good as on the iPad 2.
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The UI is no more or less accelerated now with ICS for Android from what I've read. The only stuff left in Android that isn't GPU driven isn't going to tax the CPU to render it. The only reason that the added GPU power will be needed is the high resolution, which is pointless IMO. Why get a higher resolution other than to brag about it? You think Samsung/LG/etc. couldn't make a higher resolution display if they wanted to? They're sticking to 1080p/720p because it's a standard resolution and you won't be powering unnecessary pixels if you don't have to, which you will be doing on that display when watching HD videos. Either way, I give it 3-4 months before someone displays a better product, if not sooner. No one has any idea how the OMAP5 really performs, or the quad-core Exynos chips, and if anyone will best the A5X, those are probably the best candidates.
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Obviously, you haven't read the link for apple event. We're not talking about photoshop and Autodesk for ipad3 is not same as android. Sure google has gcloud, but here we're talking about using the cloud to play music as a band using Ipad3 as music instrument. Click on the link and find out more....
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Playing music as a band using the iPad 3 using "the cloud"(which pretty much means using the iPad's LTE modem) sounds like what multiplayer games on iOS and Android do.
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Ugh iPad is only quicker cause it's less complex OS
Android will always be light years ahead of apple in technological advances it has usb plug ins since atrix and honeycomb
Apple is far more interested in marketing than creating the best device as long as they can keep u buying everything thru their e-stores they will be happy
I have an iPad 2 and tegra devices will ALWAYS have more features and a faster platform nuff said
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I would still take a GalaxyTab 7.7 over an iPad any day of the week.
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The display on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 is gorgeous. Also, I have some Apple fanboy coworkers who admit that having a 7" iPad would be awesome, and that typing/holding an iPad can be cumbersome.
Oh iPad, you are so revolutionary.
Side rant: I love how Apple upgraded the cameras on the iPad3 and acted like it's a big deal. Cameras... on a tablet.. Who in the **** uses their tablet's cameras that often to warrant a hardware upgrade? The cameras were fine! How about updating the damn OS.
Don't get me started on Siri. Aimbot, anyone?
OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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I agree. Having competition is good for Google. I have recently changed my view of IOS devices, and I'd have no problem getting an IP3 ..(if it were free and Jail broken.)
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Side rant: I love how Apple upgraded the cameras on the iPad3 and acted like it's a big deal. Cameras... on a tablet.. Who in the **** uses their tablet's cameras that often to warrant a hardware upgrade? The cameras were fine! How about updating the damn OS.
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The FFC is still the same VGA camera that was on the iPad2, they only upgraded the rear camera.
buhohitr said:
OK, for better comparison, let just comparing ONLY 4G device; Ipad3 clearly the winner here over any android tablet currently on the Market. Let's not even talk about the future, because it's endless and mute discussion.
People are so offensive when ever we talk about the "competitor". Like 'Ipad3 has the highest screen resolution", Oh that's not needed, it's not make that much of different. Come on admitted, they do have higher resolution than any other device out there. Sometime, we should hold back our egos and watch and listen, we may learn something new. I'm an Android fan, but sometime the competitor is better and I will admit they're better and sometime when Android is better, we should be proud. Only kids bashing other kids.
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I would still take the GalaxyTab 7.7. And yes, it has a higher screen resolution, but how is it useful? The only good thing about that high resolution is that you could see pictures without zooming in as much. The more screen real estate you're getting, it's going to take developers a while to take advantage of it because it is such a huge increase. It's pointless for movies and videos, when is the last time you saw a movie with a resolution greater than 1080p? For video viewing, you have wasted screen space. I'm sure the display looks great, but until we actually have videos that are >1080i/p, I don't see a reason to have a higher resolution display.
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The FFC is still the same VGA camera that was on the iPad2, they only upgraded the rear camera.
I would still take the GalaxyTab 7.7. And yes, it has a higher screen resolution, but how is it useful? The only good thing about that high resolution is that you could see pictures without zooming in as much. The more screen real estate you're getting, it's going to take developers a while to take advantage of it because it is such a huge increase. It's pointless for movies and videos, when is the last time you saw a movie with a resolution greater than 1080p? For video viewing, you have wasted screen space. I'm sure the display looks great, but until we actually have videos that are >1080i/p, I don't see a reason to have a higher resolution display.
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Higher resolution is great for gaming!
Ipad 3 is amazing but dont android OS my favorite tablet samsung asus vs.!
From what I see it seems that they'll switch to snapdragon s4, 1.7Ghz most likely which uses a15 compared to the Penta core tegra 3 which uses a9.. now don't come with the trash....
Oh oh s4 is better... no its not., you want proof ? I get 12000 CPU score on quadrant while s4 got 8000 that's 50% faster sorry.. as of battery life... companion core...........
BUT, there is always a but, the s4 is good enough to handle pretty much anything and the adreno 225 is better than geforce ulp which helps with those pixels .. also the tegra 3 seems to lag somehow.. in browsing.. when the page is loading if you scroll or pinch to zoom it lags on the prime as well as on the one x..in the rest it's the fastest..
In terms of raw power the tegra 3 is still the king. But it that what we need ?
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Cool story bro
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Ditto
why start a new thread when we have a thread about this tab already?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523811
Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
What about the S4 Pro? Is the only difference between the Pro and Non Pro the GPU?
Tegra 3 > Snapdragon S4?
Tegra 3 < Snapdragon S4?
DOES NOT MATTER
Personally I think the Tegra 3 is a better option, but that doesn't matter. They are only switching to the Snapdragon on the LTE versions and are switching to the Snapdragon because the Tegra 3 SoC doesn't support LTE. If you want LTE, you can't get Tegra 3.
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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The browser doesn't lag at all on my Prime. Not since I did a factory reset anyway.
There are a lot of things that can impact the performance or a particular app including the processor. However just because an app lags on one device and not on the other, that isn't proof that one processor is better than another. In fact that kind of comparison is practically worthless for judging the relative abilities of two different chipsets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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If that were really true, it is unlikely that Asus would be using the Tegra 3 on the WiFi TF Infinity tablets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
Most reviews on YouTube do the same,all these so called tech website are been bought buy Apple...
Very sad......
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Thicker? Heavier? Shorter battery life? Pass.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Ok, I'll take that I guess.
I'm just weary about tech websites nowadays. Last year, I stumbled upon an article comparing the ipad 2 to an android tablet. From start to finish, the author never even mentioned what the android tablet was. When I zoomed into the picture, I could have sworn it was one of those cheap chinese tablets that ran on android 2.2 or 1.6. This was about the time when praising the ipad got you a lot of readers because the ipad 2 had just come out.
Almost every tech review of the TF101 said typing using the docking station was annoying because the mouse pointer was jumping around too much. Get it? Not a single one of these so-called tech reviewers and experts knew the 4th button from the left top row disables the trackpad.
What I've found most interesting is the fact that for almost a year most tech reviewers just ignored the TF101 completely. There were plenty of "top 10 tablets" or "ipad killer tablets" articles. 99% of them left out the TF101 completely even though the transformer was even more popular than the xoom.
Let's go back even further. I remember when asus chairman launched the asus transformer along with several other new products. I was watching live blogs made by various "journalists". What I noticed was they were all criticizing the transformer even before they got their hands on it. I specifically remember one "journalist" writing he thought no one would be interested in a laptop-tablet hybrid.
The tech media needs to start doing some heavy self-censuring if they want me to start trusting them again. As far as I'm concern, they're a bunch of liars who would say anything to put apple above everything else.
Agreed with the fanboy bias, since there are a few major sites that prefer Apples in their diet.
comon guys lets face it: tegra 3 will get pwnd by the nextgen a15 cpu's. thats how it works , simple.
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I've read a few threads already about how the nexus 7 is the absolute best choice among all tables for the price to performance ratio... I'm sure it is, I will not disagree with you... My problem is I do not want a 7 inch tablet. I want a 10 inch one. Or at least a much larger one than 7 inches. I also do not want to spend 500$ for a good tablet, I'm not rich nor do I have enough money to save for a 400 or 500$ tablet. My max price is about 250, somewhere in that range... Thusbisbwhy I've referred to Chinese non brand tablets... I've read through many boards and have pretty much came across the 3 tablets to be the best. Please let me know if they are good decisions or if I should be looking up another tablet.
The ones I've found are: pipo max m9, cube g30gt2, and the primal p9x.
Is there anything I should know before thinking of these tablets as my choice? Or should I be looking at a different one. They all seem to have decent quad cores with 2gb of ram, but the primal has a better quad core, the cube has a really high res screen, and the pipo seems to be a decent one for the price with the same specs as the cube but with a lower screen res.
Please help me out!
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I've read a few threads already about how the nexus 7 is the absolute best choice among all tables for the price to performance ratio... I'm sure it is, I will not disagree with you... My problem is I do not want a 7 inch tablet. I want a 10 inch one. Or at least a much larger one than 7 inches. I also do not want to spend 500$ for a good tablet, I'm not rich nor do I have enough money to save for a 400 or 500$ tablet. My max price is about 250, somewhere in that range... Thusbisbwhy I've referred to Chinese non brand tablets... I've read through many boards and have pretty much came across the 3 tablets to be the best. Please let me know if they are good decisions or if I should be looking up another tablet.
The ones I've found are: pipo max m9, cube g30gt2, and the primal p9x.
Is there anything I should know before thinking of these tablets as my choice? Or should I be looking at a different one. They all seem to have decent quad cores with 2gb of ram, but the primal has a better quad core, the cube has a really high res screen, and the pipo seems to be a decent one for the price with the same specs as the cube but with a lower screen res.
Please help me out!
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Might also be of interest for you: a russian tablet
http://www.iconbit.com/catalog/tablets/iconbit_nettab_space_iii/
Affordable price.
Looking at that, it is nice, but I don't see a price anywhere. I even googled it and couldn't find it. Nor could I find any reviews on youtube about it. Thanks for the suggestion, I just need to be able to look further into it before I heavily consider it.
Anyone else?
The Nettab Space III costs ~ € 300. The accurately identically constructed Xoro PAD 9718 DR costs € 200.
Yeah, 300 euro is much more than I intend to spend...
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Yeah, 300 euro is much more than I intend to spend...
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In case you are still reading this thread, I just received a Primal P9x and am very satisfied with it. In fact I am typing this very post on it
I am hoping someone here at xda may begin developing for it, its a very worthwhile device. I am tempted to see if other exynos 4412 based roms might work on it. The apk a member here made for rooting exynos 4412 devices worked on this too.
I recommend it highly.
I got my primal p9x the other day and am very happy with it. It took almost a month to ship it from china to the us. It looks like there is only one supplier selling it. So if you want a good cheap tablet and are patient, I would say go ahead and order one.
I have seen very little information on this table on the next and its quad core Samsung Exynos processor in this tablet.
I was able to successfully root it using the Root_with_Restore_by_Bin4ry_v15.zip
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I got my primal p9x the other day and am very happy with it. It took almost a month to ship it from china to the us. It looks like there is only one supplier selling it. So if you want a good cheap tablet and are patient, I would say go ahead and order one.
I have seen very little information on this table on the next and its quad core Samsung Exynos processor in this tablet.
I was able to successfully root it using the Root_with_Restore_by_Bin4ry_v15.zip
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In case you are still reading this thread, I just received a Primal P9x and am very satisfied with it. In fact I am typing this very post on it
I am hoping someone here at xda may begin developing for it, its a very worthwhile device. I am tempted to see if other exynos 4412 based roms might work on it. The apk a member here made for rooting exynos 4412 devices worked on this too.
I recommend it highly.
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I got my P9x today as well and was quite pleased with it to start with (cf Cube U30GT-H it was replacing). Mine only has 1GB of Internal Storage when the specs say it should have 2GB. Towards the end of the day I noticed some issues with screen resolution (battery was low so I wonder???). It is cheap but is it too cheap?
Update - I used Chainfire's Exynos Abuse to root and patch the tablet and played around with the DPI settings 120, 160, 240... I am now using DPI 160 and the screen issues I had seem to be gone. It looks better with DPI 120 but I can't open settings in this mode.
The only thing that kept this device from being a better device was the GPU not designed to support the 1080p for pushing anything efficiently except video.
Surprised there has not been an update yet with a better GPU and memory channel efficiency. Seems the newer Qualcomm chips woud work great if the wait is Tegra 4 mass availability, which is being allocated first to Nvidia's Shield.
I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.
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Surprised there has not been an update yet
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The TF700 is not even one year old, and most other tablets still have crappy 1280*800 screens.
The only current device that looks interesting is the Sony Xperia Tablet Z - with a Snapdragon S4 Pro and 2 GB RAM, the same 1920*1200 screen resolution as our Infinity, thin and light, and even waterproof. No "transformer" dock though.
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I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.
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I think you may be right. The Infinity was a bit pricey, but I don't regret for a second going for it instead of a lower-res tablet. And the Nexus 7 is a great piece of hardware, but as I was looking into a laptop replacement, it wouldn't have been a choice (too small a screen, no dock, even if there are external keyboards available).
Maybe they'll make another premium device in a year or so. With Tegra 4 or some other latest-gen SoC. And maybe I'll be wanting to upgrade then. If one were to come out right now, it would be way too soon for me
That's because the hardware isn't outdated yet.
There are only 2 or 3 other Full HD screens (1280x800 is not Full HD. 1080 and above is.) out there. Barely any competition. (Apple doesn't count.)
There are no new advancements in terms of displays (meaning the change from LCD to LED.)
There is no Tegra 4 yet.
There is no significant improvement in battery.
There are no 128GB internal drives.
There are no other dock-intergrated devices out there that aren't Asus; and the W8 versions are a step back, not forward. (you can't set it on your lap.)
There have been no extreme camera improvements to warrant a new device.
So what would a new version add? The only thing it could change would be to add another GB of RAM, a different storage because of the I/O issues, an even higher resolution which will cause even more lag, and a Snapdragon, which won't happen as Transformers have always used Tegra.
So there is nothing to really improve on; Asus isn't officially acknowledging the I/O issues.
Agreed on the Sony. I have a TF300 32gb with dock and iPad 4 128gb. The iPad is a lot faster device and better battery life (even when counting the dock), but love the emulator options and easier file transfer on the TF300.
Next tab will be 1080p Android.
I think they re-tooled for the Win8 devices for a bit as well so they probably are busy with that.
I would guess that they are waiting for Tegra 4 to enter mass production. I would love to see a Snapdragon 800 tablet though.