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Just a quick question!
How do you think Android will stack up to Windows Mobile when it comes to functionality? Android will certainly look better and be much more finger friendly,etc, but will it be closer to the limits of the iPhone when it comes to copy paste (Android has copy paste, but dont know if it works everywhere), email, contacts, and such? Will Windows Mobile fans be dissapointed or feel crippled when using Android?
Ive played around with the Android SDK a bit, but i havent really gotten a definite feeling if the functionality suits my needs
Cheers!
Yes I am also looking for some forum information on this matter. I would like to know the opinion of anyone who has had a hands on experience with both OS's. Found a nice article in endgadget but I like user opinions better.
I definetly want to know too!
Here is what I want to know for the Droid...
Can you use it as wifi router?
Does it do push hotmail instantly?
Is there logmein support?
Does it work with orb?
i'm moving to Android when Acer A1 liquid is out, then Sony X10a.
Android got free gps navigation with realtime traffic! nice!
segadc said:
I definetly want to know too!
Here is what I want to know for the Droid...
Can you use it as wifi router?
Does it do push hotmail instantly?
Is there logmein support?
Does it work with orb?
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1. Yes
2. No, not that I'm aware of anyway, but you can forward Hotmail email to your Google Account to receive it instantly.
3. Yes
4. Yes
Anything else anyone else wants to know then feel free to post here and I'll do my best to answer it in a reasonable time.
I swapped my Touch Diamond for my G1 and I can do everything that I could do on my windows mobile (although I didn't have WinMo for long)
I've had all of the mobile OS's and always come back to windows mobile. Android is approaching windows mobile when you think of the ability to flash other OS versions and wide range of applications on an open system. But windows mobile gives me true multitasking ability like a desktop computer, and windows mobile can be edited and programmed to be something else. Through haret windows mobile phones can run haret and even android.
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I've had all of the mobile OS's and always come back to windows mobile........
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Yes I'm heading this way too. Android has been quite a disappointment to me. Initially I was very happy with my new Milestone that replaced an HTC Touch Pro running WM6.1. The performance difference was staggering, there really is no comparison between them. However I just find more and more things missing from Android/Milestone note this list is just a braindump, some of it's in Android, some of it's the packaging for the Milestone, I'm guessing you can tell the difference.
No Outlook Integration, I really think that should have been there out of the box, there are third party apps that i've used with varying degrees of success.
Restricted Video viewing. I used to use coreplayer to view just about anything on WM without any conversions. Now through restricted information on APIs needed to port CorePlayer to ANdroid I'm stuck with a lengthy conversion process when I want to put video on the phone.
No contact lookup while dialing from the keypad, I really miss that.
No note taking, or word editing apps built in.
Can't save attachments in email - wtf!! this is basic functionality, everytime I want to view a word file attached to an email I have to wait while it downloads form my mail server.
Can't foreward some attachment types - crazy crazy
Can't edit original text in replies or forwards - this is basic functionality missing
Cut and paste is awful - ranging from not implemented, to badly implemented depending on where you try to use it.
Can't switch an sd card without rebooting - I don't know if this is milestone specific but you actually can't remove the sd card without removing the battery.
Tethering, I'm using PDANet, I don't think there is a WMWifiRouter equivalent without rooting the phone? So I am using PDANets blueTooth Dun service, much inferior to WMWifiRouters Personal Area Network implementation.
Can't charge from my exisiting Solar charger (Power Monkey Explorer), thats a pain in the ass, not sure why it doesn't work.
Facebook Contact integration, it claims to have it but it just doesnt work
Logmein doesnt work for me, nor do citrix support it for gotomypc
I'll add more as and when.
dashauns said:
I've had all of the mobile OS's and always come back to windows mobile. Android is approaching windows mobile when you think of the ability to flash other OS versions and wide range of applications on an open system. But windows mobile gives me true multitasking ability like a desktop computer, and windows mobile can be edited and programmed to be something else. Through haret windows mobile phones can run haret and even android.
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can you explain what you mean with real multitasking? what miss you on android?
Hi guys new to the forum and my first post
So I have both OS I just got a HTC HD2 Winmo 6.5 and a HTC g1 Android
To me the Android is a lot lot easyer to use then Winmo. And the Markit place is the best I have used. But the HD2 looks nice the layout is top notch but when I go behind the HTC front skine and in to the Winmo I get lost and it all so looks like my winmo PDA witch I dont like.
As you can tell im not realy in to phones that much so dont know the correct names for the stuff im talking about lol.
If I could have Android under the Htc HD2 skin I would be happy
This is a serious question although I appreciate it could be taken as a troll.
Should Microsoft start again with their mobile OS? I know why they have kept compatability with older software but I personally think this is hurting them more than throwing away backwards compatability.
Look at the iPhone - that started from scratch and has grown to prominence without any back catalog of software.
Cheers, Rob.
Looks like its beginning to reach game-over stauts for M$ IMO. It feels like it did when Palm went down. Sorry to say, but I'm beginning my investigation into Android.
Exchange Server
Hi all
I use an exchange server provider and I find it's features really useful, not just on my mobile, but in MS Outlook 2007, in fact much more so on the PC. Because there are few equivalent services that I can get for the same price that would be compatible with both PC software and a mobile device, I am essentially tied to Microsoft products for the time being. MS have done very well at preventing 3rd party PIM clients accessing the full services of an exchange server.
Google are in the process of offering a full exchange service via Google Sync. If they are successful in this (which they clearly will be) then they are really only one step away from offering their own exchange type server which will be natively compatible with?? Android of course.
I would consider switching from WM to another OS if:
1. That OS could access the full services based on an MS Exchange server.
OR
2. There were comparable alternatives to a remote MS Exchange server system which could be accessed from the device.
In fact, Windows Mobile 6.5 can't access all the features of an Exchange server (e.g. being able to set specific Follow up reminder dates & times for emails and viewing other users calendars, etc.). So actually, an alternative system doesn't need to beat MS Outlook, it just needs to beat the feature limited WM 6.5 Pocket Outlook.
Sorry for the ramble but I can't see many large companies switching to Android if their employees can't accept a meeting request OTA!
In answer to the original question, yes, MS REALLY should start again with Windows Mobile and this time make sure users are able to access all the features of an MS exchange server OTA.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
From what I've read on the developers Blogs the WM7 framework is entirely different to 6x.. so most of them are concentrating on this.. appararently the performance is at least doubled (this wasn't an MS fanboy). I do assume though that MS will do all they can to be backwards compatible .. the howl that happened on Palm will be nothing as to the reaction should MS completely leave their userbase high & dry. Yes Apple scored well by timing their entry into the market perfectly.. but they risk being trapped in exactly the same way by advances in technology.
I don't think it's game over in any direction just yet.. MS simply dosn't give up and there is absolutely nothing similar in the way Palm ran itself into the ground.. Obviuosly the media is a huge cheerleasder for both Google & Apple - for some reason believing these guys are in some way cool, uncommerical, funloving dudes who are only interested in the love..
look guys, some years passed by, and ONLY thing m$ wants to say to us is:
let's make smartphones, AGAIN.
pda's as mobile comps are DEAD.
f your 6.5 and rich kids.
f android and their feeble ****oozas.
xoen / nothin
Sleuth255 said:
Looks like its beginning to reach game-over stauts for M$ IMO. It feels like it did when Palm went down. Sorry to say, but I'm beginning my investigation into Android.
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omg, sleuth is going over to the dark side
btw, which droid model are you looking at?
Personally, i love WM
I agree with Andrew-in-woking. I love the ability to sync my contacts, notes, calender, music, photos, videos, and documents both ways with my computer and my phone. And, the thing I've been telling everyone is that devices supported by a company will work best with other devices supported by the same company. I've been using windows on all of my computers since I can remember, and I will only have the best phone experience if I get a windows powered phone, which would provide the best connectivity with my computer. It doesn't make sense to get an Iphone, unless you have an apple computer, in my eyes. Same with every other device. Get android if you have other devices powered by google os. Same with Samsung, sony, etc. If you start connecting devices across different companies, it will only lead to more problems, reducing the quality of your experience with that device. Those are my 2 cents.
funny how everybody is complain about windows mobile compares to iphone.
y havnt nobody complaining about crackberry to iphone?
not everybody buy a windows mobile phone and use it as a toy (iphone)
i love my Acer neotouch S200 with 1G cpu with custom 6.5 rom 23506, i'm not sure if i still want an android phone. oh, the only reason i want android phone is because of google gps navigator.
I like windows mobile the way it is, when it become's like an iphone, there is no point in using it anymore.
I'm not saying anything can't be improved, just that if it interface's like an iphone, you might as well buy an iphone which is what I suspect most people are talking about when comparing them.
Say goodbye to the usefulness of your high resolution screen's while using a child and finger friendly interface....massive icon's, text, menu's, spend half your time zooming in and out...panning etc.
andrew-in-woking said:
That OS could access the full services based on an MS Exchange server.
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Isn't this becoming a non-problem with better browsers? Outlook web access is now a very feature rich JavaScript based client - won't that run from anywhere?
Cheers, Rob.
I'm using Microsoft OS for about 15-20 years. First DOS, later Windows, and in the meanwhile also WM.
I don't need to sync anything between PC and phone but I want a "full" OS, you can customize whatever you want, and I love my Win32 API. On the IPhone and Android you don't even have a file explorer without downloading an extra app right? Yes I know "you can get an App for everything." And sure IPhone is comfortable and user friendly. But it's like that because it's a consumer device and being that it's probably better than WM. But actually WM is not only a toy (for people who don't feel comfortable with the more tech stuff) - it's an OS.
I don't really understand all the bad talking about WM recently. I agree using the GUI without a stylus is a pain in the ass but as I can see more and more parts of the OS are being updated with each new 6.5 build. And what's the deal about it.... it's only the f.... GUI!!!
Microsoft won't restart at all. Their OS will go and and on just like their desktop versions did. Remember all the talking back then. OS/2 kills Windows, MAC kills Windows.... IMO nothing of that happened at all.
MS over?
Don't believe the hype Sleuth.
HTC on windows rules.
Good to see you here.
Really appreciated your uc work on my HD.
New rom from Miri, uc'ed all my settings & apps.
Hours of fun.
100,000 apps for the iPhone in it's short life. 18,000 in all of WinMo's existence. 50K on Android already. M$ had a major chance when it buried Palm but it took the iPhone to bring real innovation back. Geezuz.
WinMo market share was cut in half in the last year. M$ is no longer considered a contender in the space dominated by iPhone, RIM, Nokia and now Android.
I too like the common api. But I've seen iPhone apps that blow my socks off. Hopefully, HTC will release a killer platform for android. I need capacitive, rez and battery life.
Moto Droid is the leader here now but it can't touch HTC keyboards. Lots of room for HTC to catch up. But android 2.0 on that very same droid can turn off bt and fire up your wifi profile when you walk into the door based on its continuously updated positional awareness. Weather works the same way, using wunderground school installations from a known database to give you local weather down to the exact temp where you are standing. You can use the camera to scan a bar code in a supermarket and it'll leverage Google's claim to fame and return info/best pricing on the web for the same item.
Meanwhile, m$ can't even make a decent marketplace. They are hobbled by feature drift and don't have a security clue (see chainfire's 2hr hack just to prove the point).
I wish it were otherwise but I've seen this all before...
Phonebook
munrobasher said:
Isn't this becoming a non-problem with better browsers? Outlook web access is now a very feature rich JavaScript based client - won't that run from anywhere?
Cheers, Rob.
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Hi Rob
You make a good point for mail and tasks but it's not quite the same as dialing directly from your cnmtacts.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
Is this actually an issue of the OS itself? It's just market strategies and modern GUI experiences. With a good kernel (like we have with WM) it's no problem to add such features on top of it (if you just actually do it), but if you have limited kernel functionality but with the "good" GUI things on top it's harder to change the OS underneath it. I have no clue about Android yet but on the IPhone you can't even run background processes. Is Android just as flexible as the Windows kernel architecture? From what I heard I assume it's not, otherwise please proove me wrong.
The problem as you can tell it is more like Microsoft didn't care a lot about WM during the last couple years and especially HTC did what MS didn't, and now they need their time to catch up on their competitors again. But of course I'm also hoping they're doing fine with WM 7. I like the road they are going with 6.5 and if WM 7 is just like the new killer OS we're all waiting for (Windows 7 desktop isn't too bad neither right?) then why do you need your Apple and Google anymore???
FTTB, I'll probably get a Tilt 2 for hardware reasons. The iPhone is too restrictive for my tweaking tastes (although being a part of the jailbreak community would be fun) and no killer hardware for Android exists yet.
m$ needs a wake-up call. The mobile world is passing it by. This time next year (when I need another new gizmo) will be interesting. My predictions go with Android because Google has the information. Gathering it is what they do. Heck, the current navigation app on Android leverages the Google maps data for for actual image based turn by turn instruction. Impressive and always up to date.
I know that this Flash Player is out. Is it ready for smartphones? Can I or will I be able to download it and install it (like as a cab in WM)? Will it work only on new processors like the snapdragon? I would love to get my hands on the mobile version now and tweak it. I know that this site has great programmers who are in the know!
Definitely not yet for smart phones. Tried it on my umpc, and while it sped up, still slow. And no wm version that I am aware of, but you could try flash lite for wm
flash lite (at least the one I found and installed ) doesn't work on hardly any flash websites as most are flash 10 supported only. I wish adobe would hurry and release flash 10 mobile but, instead they're taking their sweet time. By the time they release it all websites will be flash 11 only and we will be back in this situation such desgraciados!!!
Adobe is testing Flash 10 for Android, but it's still pretty inefficient AFAIK. As far as current mobile flash versions go, regardless of platform, they're pretty much unusable for most things. If you can get flash working on YouTube, you often can't get it working on sites like HTC, or vice versa. Adobe announced a while back that they were attempting to get Flash 10 on all mobile operating systems, but at the rate Adobe develops Flash, it'll probably be awhile until every platform gets it.
[rant] Considering Linux still doesn't have full, stable Flash support after years of "development", and considering the "Open Screen Project" has been around since early 2008 while yielding no usable releases, I'm not going to hold my breath for this project. I'm honestly hoping flash will just die one day, and be replaced with open standards like HTML5. Flash was okay, in the 1990s, but just like Realplayer and AOL, it needs to be replaced with more suitable successors[/rant]
Does Fennec works?
Its very unstable on hd2,lags all the time and many times crash on most of devices because is alpha realese
And as far as I know they have stopped development of Fennec for Windows Mobile and they also wont develop for WP7 because it offers no NDK I think.
Yeah, the above posts are both right. I gave it a try for a while and couldn't even access a web page - it's nowhere near usable, although there was a nice sliding menu system.
You'd be better sticking with Opera or Skyfire.
We all know that the IE version in WP7 is based of Internet Explorer 7, and we all know that IE7 sucks.
But, do you think that it would be possible for the Opera team to make a browser for it? Spotify got native access, would Microsoft grant the to Opera too?
i hope they bring opera over to wp7 but initially they said there would not be any other browsers for wp7
but from the youtube videos ive seen the browser on wp7 looks pretty good tabbed browsing and everything loads were pretty speedy we'll have to see how it workks
Don't really care. I would love FireFox though. the beta for Android is pretty nice.
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
love the expert opinion in this thread which claims that IE is based entirely on IE7 and that IE on wp7 sucks. sounds like OP has used a real wp7 hardware and IE sucked.
funny it didn't suck for me when opening website's and yet to see rendering problems.
ps - IE on wp7 is based on IE7 and IE8.
It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
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I guess you've used the browser in WP7 and know this for a fact, right?
Many different hands-on experiences with developer phones, say that the browser is actually performing very very well.
Pocketnow.com has made a video comparison with android and iOS, and I gotta say, it removed all of my doubts. Whether it's the best, not sure, but it definitely suffices. Especially once Adobe launches Flash for WP7 and Microsoft fixed Silverlight in the browser - two things we know are going to happen.
Also, from a job opening posted by Microsoft, you can tell that HTML5 is on its way too. However, HTML5 is not important yet as it's not being used for mobile ends yet.
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It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
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Way to bash something you haven't used yet.
Opera Mini is a must.
Even if IE7 will perform great on WP7, I don't imagine using full page rendering browser
all the time.
Because of battery and because of bad signal areas!!!
Opera Mobile opens pages always fast no matter what kind of connection you use.
Because it's server rendering machine.
Plus loads 1/10 of actual page size, so saves A LOT of data and energy.
I thought it was based on IE7 and IE8 which is why all the reviews I've seen have actually said its pretty decent.
Not fussed about HTML5 at the mo as even the standards committee has said its not ready for prime time yet
BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
gom99 said:
I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
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Yes.
BTW on my WM 6.5.3 SE X2 Flash support works much nicer on PIE than Opera Mobile..
Is this still being looked at? Opera mini for WP7?
I would like to have Opera in WP7 and voted that way, but on a second thought I would better have both.
Honestly the only problem I have with IE on WP7 is no text reflow and it's pretty hard to read forums in the phone with no text reflow.
I love opera and its odd having Opera Link Without an Opera Browser they need to get on this.
Interesting if that would ever appear.
I assume Opera will make the move when WP7 will gain any real marketshare.
I don't think Opera will come until there is access to native code. There is no way they could write a browser in silverlight that would even come near the performance of the native browser. Not to mention, they would need to rewrite from scratch instead of utilizing their existing code base.
So yeah, not happening anytime soon.
i don't really cảe since they put IE9 in Mango.
Maybe IE10 too with Appolo or Tango.