I know that this Flash Player is out. Is it ready for smartphones? Can I or will I be able to download it and install it (like as a cab in WM)? Will it work only on new processors like the snapdragon? I would love to get my hands on the mobile version now and tweak it. I know that this site has great programmers who are in the know!
Definitely not yet for smart phones. Tried it on my umpc, and while it sped up, still slow. And no wm version that I am aware of, but you could try flash lite for wm
flash lite (at least the one I found and installed ) doesn't work on hardly any flash websites as most are flash 10 supported only. I wish adobe would hurry and release flash 10 mobile but, instead they're taking their sweet time. By the time they release it all websites will be flash 11 only and we will be back in this situation such desgraciados!!!
Adobe is testing Flash 10 for Android, but it's still pretty inefficient AFAIK. As far as current mobile flash versions go, regardless of platform, they're pretty much unusable for most things. If you can get flash working on YouTube, you often can't get it working on sites like HTC, or vice versa. Adobe announced a while back that they were attempting to get Flash 10 on all mobile operating systems, but at the rate Adobe develops Flash, it'll probably be awhile until every platform gets it.
[rant] Considering Linux still doesn't have full, stable Flash support after years of "development", and considering the "Open Screen Project" has been around since early 2008 while yielding no usable releases, I'm not going to hold my breath for this project. I'm honestly hoping flash will just die one day, and be replaced with open standards like HTML5. Flash was okay, in the 1990s, but just like Realplayer and AOL, it needs to be replaced with more suitable successors[/rant]
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Is there a version of flash i should be using with the 6.1 build? Sorry i am pretty new to this, and the only post i found was from oct. of last year. Has anything changed since?
Thank you
Flash is not required for windows mobile, so its not a question of should you, its personal preference. The latest version of Flash lite is 2.1, which is pretty old. Flash lite 3 is out, but not available for windows, and unfortunately it doesn't look like adobe will be releasing it for windows mobile.
thanks ... thats what i have been reading, but i guess i was hoping i was wrong
Nope, I've had & posted several of my communications with the folks at adobe. They are NOT planning on a windows mobile release. I wonder if that has anything with the fact that MS is developing a rival technology, hmm?
forget about flash lite 3. We'll be using SilverLight mobile soon
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forget about flash lite 3. We'll be using SilverLight mobile soon
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That was what was I referencing...However, this is MS so I think "Soon" can be taken out of the equation. Think "Deepfish", could've just named that one "Deep Sixed".
i found the macromedia flah player on their site for windows mobile.. its even allowing youtube vids to come thru like pc.. it move slow at time, but i have many programs running on my tilt
gary
mazdarati220 said:
i found the macromedia flah player on their site for windows mobile.. its even allowing youtube vids to come thru like pc.. it move slow at time, but i have many programs running on my tilt
gary
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http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9894639-37.html
March 16, 2008 9:01 PM PDT
Microsoft to license Adobe's Flash Lite
Posted by Tom Krazit | 6 comments
Even though it has plans to release a competing technology, Microsoft has agreed to license Adobe's Flash Lite technology for its Windows Mobile operating system and browser.
The two companies are expected to announce Monday that Microsoft has signed a license to use Flash Lite and Reader LE in future Windows Mobile handsets as plug-ins for Internet Explorer Mobile. Terms of the deal were not disclosed, such as what the companies plan to do when Microsoft releases Silverlight for Mobile, a competing technology.
Flash Lite is a stripped-down version of the ubiquitous Flash video player that allows mobile handsets to view Web sites created with the Flash technology. Think of Flash Lite as a slightly older version of Flash; the most current version of Flash Lite can't properly display Web sites created with the newest version of Flash, Flash 9, but it works with sites created using older versions of the technology.
As smartphones become more and more common, people are starting to get fed up with the basic Web surfing experience offered by many phones. They want something that looks more like a PC experience, with rich graphics and video. But that's hard to duplicate on a device with a smaller screen, less memory, a slower processor, and battery life requirements.
Enter Flash Lite. "Past technologies have failed trying to get into mobile by cramming a desktop experience into a mobile device," said Anup Murkaka, director of technical marketing for mobile and devices at Adobe. "The technology has to bend to the use cases, rather than the use cases bending to the technology."
Microsoft's Derek Snyder agreed. "One of the hallmark experiences on any smartphone is the Web browsing experience," said Snyder, a product manager with Microsoft's mobile-communications business. Strengthening that experience, as well as adding support for PDF documents through the Reader LE license, was the motivation for Microsoft to make the deal, he said.
Flash Lite has several limitations compared with regular Flash, beyond the inability to support much of Flash 9. Apple CEO Steve Jobs rather emphatically declared his disdain for Flash Lite at Apple's annual shareholder meeting, saying Flash Lite was "not capable of being used with the Web." Murkaka declined to comment specifically on Jobs' put-down, but noted that Flash Lite ships on 500 million mobile devices.
He did acknowledge that developers using Adobe's Flex tools can't build Flash Lite Web pages, although the newer CS3 suite of tools does support Flash Lite.
But one huge advantage of Flash Lite is that it's currently available for mobile devices. Microsoft's Silverlight for Mobile is not.
Silverlight is Microsoft's attempt to rein in on Adobe's position in the Web development market with Flash. Microsoft is fighting an uphill battle, though, in trying to get Web developers to build sites using its technology as opposed to Adobe's.
Earlier this month Microsoft said it wouldn't have a mobile version of Silverlight out until later this year. A technical preview is expected to arrive in the second quarter, but no other details have been released. Snyder declined to elaborate on the time frame for a production version of Silverlight for Mobile.
With Microsoft's Windows Mobile team now having to meet a surge in demand for Web-friendly mobile phones, led by the iPhone, licensing Flash Lite makes sense as a "for now" solution, at least until the company's own dog food is ready. The iPhone has been able to capture mobile Web surfers without any support for Flash technologies, something that other mobile devices running IE Mobile or Opera's mobile browser will likely try to exploit later this year.
Eventually, Microsoft expects to support both Flash Lite and Silverlight on its Windows Mobile handsets. "Flash is, for a lot of people, something they've already invested in," Snyder said. Having support for the incumbent while it tries to get Web developers on the Silverlight team makes sense; "it's good to have both," he said.
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Thank you for the scoop, neilson.
so, are we expecting WM7's interface will be Flashlite 3 based ?
WM7 will more likley WPF (silverlight) based. Everything M$ .net looks to be going this way (for now).
Ta,
Dave
marm0lade said:
Flash is not required for windows mobile, so its not a question of should you, its personal preference. The latest version of Flash lite is 2.1, which is pretty old. Flash lite 3 is out, but not available for windows, and unfortunately it doesn't look like adobe will be releasing it for windows mobile.
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according to engadget and a couple other sites m$ licensed adobe for flash lite
woo hoo right.
duswdav said:
according to engadget and a couple other sites m$ licensed adobe for flash lite
woo hoo right.
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Not directly.
They licensed the Flash Lite 3 Browser Plug In
The old flash 7 Plug in is still available somewwhere.
On Skysports website the scorecenter is setup that you need a flash player so is there any way round it?.
Nick
nick0 said:
On Skysports website the scorecenter is setup that you need a flash player so is there any way round it?.
Nick
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Use either Opera 8.65 or NetFront 3.5
I have a question, or more precisely I am trying to get a general consensus about a problem....
I am a flash developer and I have been tasked with developing a mobile application to run on primarily WM devices, with possible migration to other platforms. It is to be a Flash based application, in the means of an "offline", which will be downloaded.
Recently, Adobe saw fit to discontinue support for Flash Lite 3.1 distributable player. This is more than likely due to the "open screen project", and implementation of Flash Player 10.1 which is to be platform independent. The problem with this is that they left nothing for the interim.
My question is this; Of the ppl here that are knowledgeable about Flash dev., would you continue to develop in Flash lite, or would you go ahead and go A/S3 Flash 10, and wait for the jump to 10.1? I am thinking that the latter is the better choice. However if I do that, I have no guarantee of keeeping it as a standalone app.
I know that android is based on linux, so I was wondering if flash for linux could be converted to android phones. Whoever makes this possible is going to be a a very popular developer and should place it on the market.
Guess that makes Adobe a very popular developer.
That's sorta what HTC did for the Hero, but they only did Flash 9 Lite(which slows it down more than it helps, increases page load time and only offers limited functionality). Adobe is expected to release Flash 10.1 for android this year, possibly even flex.
Will adobe flash 10 be released for windows phone 7 browser later on? Can anyone confirm it
Google it.
Adobe themselves confirmed that it was coming.
Both Flash and HTML5 should be coming to WP7.
I am hoping that they improve it as the Android version I think was pretty bad.
Going by Microsoft's currently speedy reaction to the market/devs I would be surprised if Flash is not part of the early 2011 OS update that brings copy & paste and, hopefully, turn-by-turn navigation.
Adobe dependent obviously.
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Going by Microsoft's currently speedy reaction to the market/devs I would be surprised if Flash is not part of the early 2011 OS update that brings copy & paste and, hopefully, turn-by-turn navigation.
Adobe dependent obviously.
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Nope it is not Adobe dependent, it depends on the MS whether they will implement Active-X plug-in support into IE or not.
I think one of the wisest decisions MS have made with the mobile platform is do away from Active-X, even though I am not a fan of M$ by any means , however they have no other plug-in mechanism at the moment to support Adobe flash.
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Nope it is not Adobe dependent, it depends on the MS whether they will implement Active-X plug-in support into IE or not.
I think one of the wisest decisions MS have made with the mobile platform is do away from Active-X, even though I am not a fan of M$ by any means , however they have no other plug-in mechanism at the moment to support Adobe flash.
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The ability is definitely there for Adobe to implement Flash be it ActiveX or not - that's not the issue.
Getting the plugin out by the early 2011 update deadline is Adobe dependent because they are the ones developing it, not entirely I agree but it is there technology primarily here so a large part of the project depends on them and their roadmap.
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The ability is definitely there for Adobe to implement Flash be it ActiveX or not - that's not the issue.
Getting the plugin out by the early 2011 update deadline is Adobe dependent because they are the ones developing it, not entirely I agree but it is there technology primarily here so a large part of the project depends on them and their roadmap.
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Once again, the Adobe Flash support as it is provided in the current non mobile IE is Active-X plug-in, there is no other mechanism, unless Microsoft tells Adobe that they will re-introduce Active-X support or develop a new API Adobe can do nothing.
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Once again, the Adobe Flash support as it is provided in the current non mobile IE is Active-X plug-in, there is no other mechanism, unless Microsoft tells Adobe that they will re-introduce Active-X support or develop a new API Adobe can do nothing.
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Not wishing to be rude but I don't think I see your point.
Yes the current non-mobile IE is an ActiveX plugin, I don't see how this directly pertains to Windows Phone 7's situation.
Flash for WP7 is in development, confirmed by Adobe themselves. Whether Microsoft have implemented a version of ActiveX into the new mobile browser or there is another method for Adobe to utilise it is all academic, it is in development. The mechanism is there.
People please tell me if I'm missing something...
Adobe has already said that the reason WinMo6.5 wasn't getting Flash 10.1 was because it was missing needed APIs that WP7 has. So however they are implementing it that sounds like the resources they need are already included in the OS.
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Not wishing to be rude but I don't think I see your point.
Yes the current non-mobile IE is an ActiveX plugin, I don't see how this directly pertains to Windows Phone 7's situation.
Flash for WP7 is in development, confirmed by Adobe themselves. Whether Microsoft have implemented a version of ActiveX into the new mobile browser or there is another method for Adobe to utilise it is all academic, it is in development. The mechanism is there.
People please tell me if I'm missing something...
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If you know what mechanism is there please share
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If you know what mechanism is there please share
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I have no idea
still no hope for this soon?
Flash Mobile has been killed by Adobe...
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2011-11-09/mark-smith-adobe-flash-mobile/51135466/1
No hope, and i don't really want either... just look android, and how laggy the Flash is...
We are all hoping for a future of HTML5.
Microsoft said last year that they fully concertrate on plug GREE internet browsing, thats HTML5. adobe flash makes thing slower, ok it looks better but slower. they have stated that they will bring up an alternative with silverlight in the future... but that was at the end of last year. now we have march...
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Flash Mobile has been killed by Adobe...
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2011-11-09/mark-smith-adobe-flash-mobile/51135466/1
No hope, and i don't really want either... just look android, and how laggy the Flash is...
We are all hoping for a future of HTML5.
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I always hear this but I've never experienced problems with flash being laggy on Android, although Android as a whole is laggy
But I agree, it's unnecessary for WP7...HTML5 already is pretty good to me.
Yup it's all HTML5 from here. Even the Metro-style IE10 in Windows 8 won't support it.
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there is an adobe flash app in the marketplace, it doesn't look real though. Can anyone confirm that?
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there is an adobe flash app in the marketplace, it doesn't look real though. Can anyone confirm that?
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the app in the marketplace does the thing and goes around, it "ports" some websites, to wp7 but it is still not flash! and i can only port some websites not every you want that the silly thing. but with silverlight and html5 we must find another way to "flash" because microsoft abandoned flash some time ago... they have full rights to silverlight, to flash they only can have some licenses. silverlight is the homemade alternative from microsoft. and it fits the needs, just look at some games on windows 8 consumer preview, cut the rope and some other as example, they all look like "flash" but have other functions, and suites more to the "low spec" windows 8 metro design. microsoft will that everything goes smooth, if you have to load an flash game 10 seconds or 20. in silverlight you could be allready in the game. my personal website is in flash but i think of moving to html5 and some other elements, that look like flash.
and i dont think flash will ever be on the future windows versions... on mozzila firefox (desktop) maybe, google chrome (desktop) maybe, but on the metro mozzila that is in work they can not build it in.
In an abrupt about-face in its mobile software strategy, Adobe will soon cease developing its Flash Player plug-in for mobile browsers, according to an e-mail sent to Adobe partners on Tuesday evening.
And with that e-mail flash, Adobe has signaled that it knows, as Steve Jobs predicted, the end of the Flash era on the web is coming soon.
The e-mail, obtained and first reported on by ZDNet, says that Adobe will no longer continue to “adapt Flash Player for mobile devices to new browser, OS version or device configurations,” instead focusing on alternative application packaging programs and the HTML5 protocol.
“Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores,” the quoted e-mail says.
In the past, Adobe has released software tools for mobile developers that create a single platform programmers can use to make applications that work across three major mobile platforms: Android, iOS and the BlackBerry OS. While it’s seemingly easier than learning all of the native languages for each operating system, some developers have claimed a loss in app performance when coding in a non-native language that then gets translated into other languages.
The move indicates a massive backpedaling on Adobe’s part, a company who championed its Flash platform in the face of years of naysaying about its use on mobile devices. Despite Flash’s near ubiquity across desktop PCs, many in the greater computing industry, including, famously, Apple Computer, have denounced the platform as fundamentally unstable on mobile browsers, and an intense battery drain. In effect, Flash’s drawbacks outweigh the benefits on mobile devices.
Flash became a dominant desktop platform by allowing developers to code interactive games, create animated advertisements and deliver video to any browser that had the plugin installed, without having to take into account the particulars of any given browser. However, with the development of Javascript, CSS, and HTML5, which has native support for video, many web developers are turning away from Flash, which can be a resource hog even on the most advanced browsers.
Apple made its biggest waves in the case against Flash in April of last year, when Steve Jobs penned a 1,500-word screed against the controversial platform, describing it as a technology of the past. Jobs and Apple disliked the platform so intensely, it has since been barred from use on all iOS devices.
Despite attempts to breathe life into Flash on other mobile devices — namely, Android and BlackBerry OS — Adobe has failed to deliver a consistently stable version of the platform on a smartphone or tablet. In WIRED’s testing of the BlackBerry PlayBook in April, Flash use caused the browser to crash on a consistent basis. And when Flash was supposed to come to tablets with Motorola’s Xoom, Adobe was only able to provide an highly unstable Beta version of Flash to ship with the flagship Android device.
“Adobe has lost so much credibility with the community that I’m hoping they are bought by someone else that can bring some stability and eventually some credibility back to the Flash Platform,” wrote software developer Dan Florio in a blog post on Wednesday morning.
The drastic reversal in Adobe’s mobile plans comes in the wake of the company cutting 750 jobs on Tuesday, a move prompted by what Adobe labeled “corporate restructuring.”
An Adobe representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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As a end user as long as all the current flash sites convert to HTML5 , nobody will care?
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As a end user as long as all the current flash sites convert to HTML5 , nobody will care?
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This is true. But I haven't seen anything about them discontinuing flash altogether, just mobile. In which case developers will still be using flash for desktop browsing, putting mobile users SOL. So is mobile flash discontinuation enough for developers to convert all of their flash content to HTML5? Guess we'll have to wait and see..