We all know that the IE version in WP7 is based of Internet Explorer 7, and we all know that IE7 sucks.
But, do you think that it would be possible for the Opera team to make a browser for it? Spotify got native access, would Microsoft grant the to Opera too?
i hope they bring opera over to wp7 but initially they said there would not be any other browsers for wp7
but from the youtube videos ive seen the browser on wp7 looks pretty good tabbed browsing and everything loads were pretty speedy we'll have to see how it workks
Don't really care. I would love FireFox though. the beta for Android is pretty nice.
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
love the expert opinion in this thread which claims that IE is based entirely on IE7 and that IE on wp7 sucks. sounds like OP has used a real wp7 hardware and IE sucked.
funny it didn't suck for me when opening website's and yet to see rendering problems.
ps - IE on wp7 is based on IE7 and IE8.
It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
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I guess you've used the browser in WP7 and know this for a fact, right?
Many different hands-on experiences with developer phones, say that the browser is actually performing very very well.
Pocketnow.com has made a video comparison with android and iOS, and I gotta say, it removed all of my doubts. Whether it's the best, not sure, but it definitely suffices. Especially once Adobe launches Flash for WP7 and Microsoft fixed Silverlight in the browser - two things we know are going to happen.
Also, from a job opening posted by Microsoft, you can tell that HTML5 is on its way too. However, HTML5 is not important yet as it's not being used for mobile ends yet.
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It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
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Way to bash something you haven't used yet.
Opera Mini is a must.
Even if IE7 will perform great on WP7, I don't imagine using full page rendering browser
all the time.
Because of battery and because of bad signal areas!!!
Opera Mobile opens pages always fast no matter what kind of connection you use.
Because it's server rendering machine.
Plus loads 1/10 of actual page size, so saves A LOT of data and energy.
I thought it was based on IE7 and IE8 which is why all the reviews I've seen have actually said its pretty decent.
Not fussed about HTML5 at the mo as even the standards committee has said its not ready for prime time yet
BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
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I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
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Yes.
BTW on my WM 6.5.3 SE X2 Flash support works much nicer on PIE than Opera Mobile..
Is this still being looked at? Opera mini for WP7?
I would like to have Opera in WP7 and voted that way, but on a second thought I would better have both.
Honestly the only problem I have with IE on WP7 is no text reflow and it's pretty hard to read forums in the phone with no text reflow.
I love opera and its odd having Opera Link Without an Opera Browser they need to get on this.
Interesting if that would ever appear.
I assume Opera will make the move when WP7 will gain any real marketshare.
I don't think Opera will come until there is access to native code. There is no way they could write a browser in silverlight that would even come near the performance of the native browser. Not to mention, they would need to rewrite from scratch instead of utilizing their existing code base.
So yeah, not happening anytime soon.
i don't really cảe since they put IE9 in Mango.
Maybe IE10 too with Appolo or Tango.
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There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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Based on the performance of past Internet Explorer versions--I'd say that Skyfire might still out-perform it. From various comments and reviews, I understand that Skyfire is remarkably fast despite the added Flash-support. Let's hope Microsoft gives them run for their money!
yea..i wouldnt be too worried if i was skyfire..microsoft hasnt gotten it right yet...what makes me think they will start to now?
The only thing missing from the smartphone/internet experience is adobe flash support. That accounts for a tremendous amount of web page viewing. People are tired of looking at text or empty boxes while viewing web pages from their phones. Microsoft already has their new browser, which was unveilled at CITA last April. It would seem logical to release an update by the first quarter of 2009. This is also the time for CES in Vegas 2009.
Some company will eventually offer adobe flash based viewing for windows mobile -- that's the good news.
Rim (blackberry) and apple (iphone) will probably not support adobe flash, even though apple is talking about adding it.
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There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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microsoft always said stupidities
Has anybody got a invite for this new webkit based J2ME browser? http://boltbrowser.com
Is it a threat for opera mini?
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Has anybody got a invite for this new webkit based J2ME browser? http://boltbrowser.com
Is it a threat for opera mini?
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With a bit of fiddling I managed to get it to run.
My first impressions: it's obviously inspired by OM with a similar menu structure. The fonts look terrible (but that probably is a JBED issue). Scrolling is very fast and smooth. Loading pages is very similar to OM, so it certainly is fast enough in that respect as well. A nice feature is the split window capability, showing an overview as well as a detailed view.
I will continue to try it out, and compare it head-to-head with OM. The company claims that it will render pages exactly as on the desktop, the pages I've seen so far bear that out. But I'll continue to test it.
In summary: not bad for a beta
Bernard
What browsers are u guys using ?
THUNDERBOLT
dolphin mini for regular browsing...dolphin HD for when i wanna watch HULU..
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I like the default browser. Haven't had any problems yet.
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Using regular browser here, but I have Opera Mobile installed, gonna be giving that a try.
I think the regular browser is great but I just started using Miren and like it a lot so far.
I am using firefox 4, and it is pretty nice. I wish it were snappier, but it's feature set is so nice and the fact you can swipe right to see open tabs and swipe left for back/forward/bookmark, it's super convenient.
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Been on dolphin hd for a few months now. I would use firefox more if pictures didn't look so bad.
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Xscope here
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I use stock for most normal browsing. Have Dolphin hd setup as a desktop profile for hulu and the like.
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Miren Browser, for sure.
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Normal browser. I really like the pinch-zoom-out gesture used for opening new windows. Really spiffy and easy.
So, rally any of them then.. LOL No real distinct one is better than another..
Everyone has their own choice of browser as you can see. However, that doesn't mean a particular browser wont have features or semantics that wont appeal to you more than others, so try them all and see.
For the record though, I prefer Opera Mobile, but I also use Opera on my desktop as the main browser as well. However, some browsers do certain things better than others. I prefer firefox (for firebug and dynatrace http://www.dynatrace.com/en/) when I develop and SrwIron (chrome) is my fallback browser on the desktop if Opera wont work on a site.
Opera probably has the longest development track record (starting years ago with windows phones and symbian) for a mobile browser (and one of the longest for support on ARM processors in general). All but a wrapper that calls the code libraries (.so files or for those that stick with windows, .dll files) in Android's dalvik vm are compiled natively for ARM in c++ (since they use these libraries on windows phones and symbian as well), so they have the ability to run faster than the code that must be interpreted through the dalvik virtual machine. See http://my.opera.com/operamobile/blog/the-components-of-opera-mobile-11-on-android for more details on that.
Opera will also allow you to sync your browsing history, bookmarks, search history, favorite pages (the speed dial), etc to the desktop version if you use it. http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/my-opera-synchronization-explained
Opera also has a pretty good track record for security and patching exploits. I'm leary of trusting any browser other than Opera or the native one built into Android, which has similar libraries as chrome (firefox mobile is probably okay as well, but it's still in the development phase so there could be bugs or things not patched quite yet). The rest of the mobile browsers other than firefox mobile (built on gecko) and opera (built on presto) are all mostly close to vanilla webkit clones (excluding the built in android browser similar to chrome) that aren't overly proven to be secure or have a long history of development. Since they're webkit clones (since webkit is currently the only stable open source platform choice for phones until the release of a stable firefox mobile), they're all going to tend to look somewhat alike and have similar speeds. That's not to say they are not secure, but they're mostly rookies to the game compared to Chrome/FireFox/Opera. Webkit rendering engine itself is well designed (with a history of being used on mobile phones long before android via nokia's built in symbian os browser), but how companies take that code and implement is is the problem. In the pwn2own hacking competition, chrome (the desktop version) was the only webkit based browser not to be susceptible to a major exploit.
Opera has its little annoyances like any browser. Mostly things like being ignored by bad web developers in the past that only cared about IE. However since firefox and chrome follow web standards like opera now and have a significant market share, this rarely happens nowadays. Though, sometimes I will stumble on a site using the desktop version that forgets Opera is also a desktop browser and gives me the mobile page, haha. For quite a while, McDonalds.com would do this.
Any of the more popular browsers should be good enough if you use good judgment, but if you're ever leary of a site, at least pick a browser you can disable plugins (flash and pdf readers) and javascript if needed, since those are the 2 main ways you might get hacked via a web browser. In opera mobile, you can type "opera : plugins" (without quotes and the spaces) in the url and you can disable any plugins you do not want to use. With that it's generally harder to monitor the system internals and connections on your phone versus a desktop pc (and the wonky permission control system [or lack thereof] in the graphical interface of android), it's better to be a bit more cautious.
I like dolphin HD
I use Firefox and the default one. For some reason Firefox has problems for me on facebook when i try to send a message
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Opera Mobile is currently my browser of choice.
@yareally: a simple "I prefer Opera Mobile" would've sufficed. We get it, you like it.
I'm using a WP7 NoDo ROM on an HTC HD2 that I was previously running Android on. I really like WP7 (the music player especially) and am looking forward to getting more apps in the Marketplace.
BUT, I've been disappointed with the web browser. I visit a number of technology blogs, most of which use the Disqus system for posting comments. When using the WP7 browser, I regularly see messages saying "you are using an older browser, please upgrade your Flash version or upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 in order to comment". This is on Boy Genius Report (mobile version).
I get that WP7 doesn't have Flash, so it must be the IE version that's not letting me comment. On some sites, I can't even view the comments when accessing the mobile version of the site like Engadget. I can view it when accessing the desktop version of the site, though like before, I can't post comments. I never had these problems on the Dolphin Browser Mini on Android.
Also, I've set the user agent on the WP7 browser to "desktop" a number of times, but it keeps defaulting to the mobile website on sites like Gawker (and its associated sites like Gizmodo,etc), Boy Genius Report and Ars Technica. Any way to solve this?
Last problem: on the Gawker network sites, when accessing the mobile site, I can't expand replies. I click the link that says "Show 2 replies" or something, nothing happens. The link gets highlighted once i touch it, but it doesn't expand. The fonts in the comment section look jagged and pixelated as well, which doesn't happen on other sites.
Try a Mango beta ROM for the HD2 as mango have IE which might fix some of your problems. As for the desktop/mobile view, some site supersede what ever setting you have set in your browser. I know, it's annoying, but it's the site, not IE. Facebook, Youtube, Google, & a few other sites do this. Some have a link to click to change that setting via a cookie, others, you have to manually type in the "www.".
I tried a Mango ROM but it's a laggy right now (not much, but the NoDo has zero lag, so it's noticeable). any way, the problems were there as well. You're right, some sites do force a redirect to the mobile site. It just sucks that the WP7 browser is still primitive compared to those available on Android or iOS.
some people who post here are misinformed, I don't get redirected on any sites I goto except for google and their sister sites. the fact that the wp7 browser is primitive compared to android and iOS is also wrong because I've gotten redirected to mobile sites much more on those browsers than on wp7 NoDo and mango beta. those browsers don't even have an option to toggle between mobile and desktop.the wp7 mango browser which is based off IE9 scores 97/100 on the acid3 test while the android and iOS browsers are in the low 90s. the IE in mango also renders html5 at a higher framerate than the competition.this has been proven as well. and as for the fact of the disqus comment system not working in NoDo this is because the IE in NoDo is based off IE7 and those sites require IE8 to comment. it could also be due to the fact that like IE7 the IE in nodo only clocks a score of 15 on the acid3 test. the disqus comment system is also known for having issues as well.
Disqus i have problems on. But i can read comments and switch between mobile or desktop without problems on the sites i wisit. I even save bookmarks in various formats since some places is better in mobile view. I can however on sites as pocketnow not read comments in mobile view, i cant do that on my currently borrowed Android phone ether.
Heard users having no problems on Mango thou.
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some people who post here are misinformed, I don't get redirected on any sites I goto except for google and their sister sites. the fact that the wp7 browser is primitive compared to android and iOS is also wrong because I've gotten redirected to mobile sites much more on those browsers than on wp7 NoDo and mango beta. those browsers don't even have an option to toggle between mobile and desktop.the wp7 mango browser which is based off IE9 scores 97/100 on the acid3 test while the android and iOS browsers are in the low 90s. the IE in mango also renders html5 at a higher framerate than the competition.this has been proven as well. and as for the fact of the disqus comment system not working in NoDo this is because the IE in NoDo is based off IE7 and those sites require IE8 to comment. it could also be due to the fact that like IE7 the IE in nodo only clocks a score of 15 on the acid3 test. the disqus comment system is also known for having issues as well.
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I am just speaking from day-to-day usage experience. I mentioned that I was using Dolphin Browser Mini on Android, which certainly does have a user agent option, so you are mistaken.
On Mango Beta I was having the same browser problems as I did in my OP (NoDo). Disqus would display OK on desktop sites (and on some mobile sites) but wouldn't let me log in or post. On Gawker Media sites, I couldn't expand replies on their proprietary comment system, which displays fine on DBMini. THe fonts are also messed up on WP7. You can see for yourself by checking the fonts on comments on your computer and then looking at them again through WP7.
Scrolling through forums like Crackberry or NotebookReview is also a little sluggish, whereas there isn't any lag on DBMini. The desktop version of the Staples site also lagged, and showed typing delays in the search bar. I don't get what those benchmarks are supposed to mean, by the way. I don't go to graphics intensive websites on my phone or anything, just simple news and shopping websites.
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Disqus i have problems on. But i can read comments and switch between mobile or desktop without problems on the sites i wisit. I even save bookmarks in various formats since some places is better in mobile view. I can however on sites as pocketnow not read comments in mobile view, i cant do that on my currently borrowed Android phone ether.
Heard users having no problems on Mango thou.
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So maybe this is a case of web designers optimizing site display for iOS and Android browsers, but not WP7? I thought there were standards in place so that they'd all display the same in all browsers.
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I am just speaking from day-to-day usage experience. I mentioned that I was using Dolphin Browser Mini on Android, which certainly does have a user agent option, so you are mistaken.
On Mango Beta I was having the same browser problems as I did in my OP (NoDo). Disqus would display OK on desktop sites (and on some mobile sites) but wouldn't let me log in or post. On Gawker Media sites, I couldn't expand replies on their proprietary comment system, which displays fine on DBMini. THe fonts are also messed up on WP7. You can see for yourself by checking the fonts on comments on your computer and then looking at them again through WP7.
Scrolling through forums like Crackberry or NotebookReview is also a little sluggish, whereas there isn't any lag on DBMini. The desktop version of the Staples site also lagged, and showed typing delays in the search bar. I don't get what those benchmarks are supposed to mean, by the way. I don't go to graphics intensive websites on my phone or anything, just simple news and shopping websites.
So maybe this is a case of web designers optimizing site display for iOS and Android browsers, but not WP7? I thought there were standards in place so that they'd all display the same in all browsers.
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yea I didn't experience issues with commenting in NoDo before they made the IE8 requirement,haven't tried in mango yet. it may all he due to the fact that disqus uses popups and IEM9 doesn't support pop UPS. I don't know about the 3rd party browsers because I dont use them. provide links to the sites ur experiencingthese "problems" on so we can test.
Hello everyone,
I installed the "Revolver" ROM very well. big problem that seems to be for all the tablet devices that mount Android, poor or worse support JavaScript in Web pages. Bad! All animations are horrible. Pop-ups rarely interpreted correctly, often do not open.
The current trend in web pages is to replace Flash with javasscript, but Android in tablet (where web is the strong point) does not seem to think this defect so obvious! I appeal to you the greatest experts in the hope of making this tool useful for professional web design and webmasters.
Currently I can not show my sites with my teblet because JavaScript animations suck!
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Hello everyone,
I installed the "Revolver" ROM very well. big problem that seems to be for all the tablet devices that mount Android, poor or worse support JavaScript in Web pages. Bad! All animations are horrible. Pop-ups rarely interpreted correctly, often do not open.
The current trend in web pages is to replace Flash with javasscript, but Android in tablet (where web is the strong point) does not seem to think this defect so obvious! I appeal to you the greatest experts in the hope of making this tool useful for professional web design and webmasters.
Currently I can not show my sites with my teblet because JavaScript animations suck!
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Have you tried with other browsers like Opera, Dolphin HD, etc? I do Flash, so i don't have much experience with java on android, beyond the flash containers.
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Have you tried with other browsers like Opera, Dolphin HD, etc? I do Flash, so i don't have much experience with java on android, beyond the flash containers.
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Yes, of course.
I tried the best browser for Android, they all have the same problem (more or less), no one correctly interprets the animations. Falsh including some animation, these look ugly! There are serious problems with motion tweens and fades.
What I do not tolerate it and conceive why some phones with the most basic systems or android2.2 see the animation considerably better!
I hope sooner or later solve management javascip animations. The fatal flaw of the Android project
You should submit it as an issue to the android but tracker. I personaly didn't experience the problem you describe. Also if even in Opera (which uses their own engine) has this problem, then it could be sth with your software. Have you tried rebooting or different ROM?