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There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
Big_O said:
There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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Based on the performance of past Internet Explorer versions--I'd say that Skyfire might still out-perform it. From various comments and reviews, I understand that Skyfire is remarkably fast despite the added Flash-support. Let's hope Microsoft gives them run for their money!
yea..i wouldnt be too worried if i was skyfire..microsoft hasnt gotten it right yet...what makes me think they will start to now?
The only thing missing from the smartphone/internet experience is adobe flash support. That accounts for a tremendous amount of web page viewing. People are tired of looking at text or empty boxes while viewing web pages from their phones. Microsoft already has their new browser, which was unveilled at CITA last April. It would seem logical to release an update by the first quarter of 2009. This is also the time for CES in Vegas 2009.
Some company will eventually offer adobe flash based viewing for windows mobile -- that's the good news.
Rim (blackberry) and apple (iphone) will probably not support adobe flash, even though apple is talking about adding it.
Big_O said:
There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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microsoft always said stupidities
We all know that the IE version in WP7 is based of Internet Explorer 7, and we all know that IE7 sucks.
But, do you think that it would be possible for the Opera team to make a browser for it? Spotify got native access, would Microsoft grant the to Opera too?
i hope they bring opera over to wp7 but initially they said there would not be any other browsers for wp7
but from the youtube videos ive seen the browser on wp7 looks pretty good tabbed browsing and everything loads were pretty speedy we'll have to see how it workks
Don't really care. I would love FireFox though. the beta for Android is pretty nice.
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
love the expert opinion in this thread which claims that IE is based entirely on IE7 and that IE on wp7 sucks. sounds like OP has used a real wp7 hardware and IE sucked.
funny it didn't suck for me when opening website's and yet to see rendering problems.
ps - IE on wp7 is based on IE7 and IE8.
It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
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I guess you've used the browser in WP7 and know this for a fact, right?
Many different hands-on experiences with developer phones, say that the browser is actually performing very very well.
Pocketnow.com has made a video comparison with android and iOS, and I gotta say, it removed all of my doubts. Whether it's the best, not sure, but it definitely suffices. Especially once Adobe launches Flash for WP7 and Microsoft fixed Silverlight in the browser - two things we know are going to happen.
Also, from a job opening posted by Microsoft, you can tell that HTML5 is on its way too. However, HTML5 is not important yet as it's not being used for mobile ends yet.
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It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
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Way to bash something you haven't used yet.
Opera Mini is a must.
Even if IE7 will perform great on WP7, I don't imagine using full page rendering browser
all the time.
Because of battery and because of bad signal areas!!!
Opera Mobile opens pages always fast no matter what kind of connection you use.
Because it's server rendering machine.
Plus loads 1/10 of actual page size, so saves A LOT of data and energy.
I thought it was based on IE7 and IE8 which is why all the reviews I've seen have actually said its pretty decent.
Not fussed about HTML5 at the mo as even the standards committee has said its not ready for prime time yet
BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
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I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
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Yes.
BTW on my WM 6.5.3 SE X2 Flash support works much nicer on PIE than Opera Mobile..
Is this still being looked at? Opera mini for WP7?
I would like to have Opera in WP7 and voted that way, but on a second thought I would better have both.
Honestly the only problem I have with IE on WP7 is no text reflow and it's pretty hard to read forums in the phone with no text reflow.
I love opera and its odd having Opera Link Without an Opera Browser they need to get on this.
Interesting if that would ever appear.
I assume Opera will make the move when WP7 will gain any real marketshare.
I don't think Opera will come until there is access to native code. There is no way they could write a browser in silverlight that would even come near the performance of the native browser. Not to mention, they would need to rewrite from scratch instead of utilizing their existing code base.
So yeah, not happening anytime soon.
i don't really cảe since they put IE9 in Mango.
Maybe IE10 too with Appolo or Tango.
What is the possibility of a desktop friendly web browser UI? The issue is that there isn't a single browser that offers a HDMI mirroring friendly UI. Opera supposedly has a tablet UI but with no access to it on almost all devices.
Removing/disabling things like textbox zoom, popping in and out of fullscreen mode, the tab/url/button bars disappearing would be ideal. These are things that you don't see in everyday browsing with a desktop browser.
First Image- I've attached a pic of a suggested UI. Having a "desktop/standard UI" button in the drop down menu would be a good idea as well.
Second Image- I've come close by breaking the theme engine on xscope but still have the above mentioned issues.
Third Image- A comparison of the first two vs Firefox 4 Desktop (800x600 cropped to 800x480). When comparing current browser UI's to Firefox it's obvious that a mirroring friendly UI is needed.
Does anybody want a "Desktop UI" browser? Web browsing via HDMI mirroring is kinda lousy without one.
I was thinking if someone could kang the desktop ui from the atrix and port it to the EVO, we could have a similar experience that the atrix community is having now that they can access it through HDMI without moto's expensive dock accessory.
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I was thinking if someone could kang the desktop ui from the atrix and port it to the EVO, we could have a similar experience that the atrix community is having now that they can access it through HDMI without moto's expensive dock accessory.
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The problem is that the Artix runs a whole different frontend when in dock/laptop mode. It even runs a full desktop version of Firefox. As capable as the Evo is, I think this is well beyond even and OC'ed Evo. Hopefully with the Evo Desktop PC guide I put up, the browser request may get more attention.
I have an actual computer for casual web browsing. I have one hooked to my HDTVs and projector as well. Why you would would want to do it from your phone is beyond me, talk about a limited experience...
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I have an actual computer for casual web browsing. I have one hooked to my HDTVs and projector as well. Why you would would want to do it from your phone is beyond me, talk about a limited experience...
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Limited in what way? I've been using the Evo as a desktop since late Feb. And have come across only two content types that don't work, Silverlight and Divx. Live TV isn't an issue either. Except for updating the FullHDMI website I haven't touched my computer in over a month. I even did the keymap editing for the "Evo Desktop" project on the Evo.
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Limited in what way? I've been using the Evo as a desktop since late Feb. And have come across only two content types that don't work, Silverlight and Divx. Live TV isn't an issue either. Except for updating the FullHDMI website I haven't touched my computer in over a month. I even did the keymap editing for the "Evo Desktop" project on the Evo.
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I would really like to know how you do that, can you give me a link? "key mapping"
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!
This guy Loki is on to something. I'm interested.
I'm using a WP7 NoDo ROM on an HTC HD2 that I was previously running Android on. I really like WP7 (the music player especially) and am looking forward to getting more apps in the Marketplace.
BUT, I've been disappointed with the web browser. I visit a number of technology blogs, most of which use the Disqus system for posting comments. When using the WP7 browser, I regularly see messages saying "you are using an older browser, please upgrade your Flash version or upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 in order to comment". This is on Boy Genius Report (mobile version).
I get that WP7 doesn't have Flash, so it must be the IE version that's not letting me comment. On some sites, I can't even view the comments when accessing the mobile version of the site like Engadget. I can view it when accessing the desktop version of the site, though like before, I can't post comments. I never had these problems on the Dolphin Browser Mini on Android.
Also, I've set the user agent on the WP7 browser to "desktop" a number of times, but it keeps defaulting to the mobile website on sites like Gawker (and its associated sites like Gizmodo,etc), Boy Genius Report and Ars Technica. Any way to solve this?
Last problem: on the Gawker network sites, when accessing the mobile site, I can't expand replies. I click the link that says "Show 2 replies" or something, nothing happens. The link gets highlighted once i touch it, but it doesn't expand. The fonts in the comment section look jagged and pixelated as well, which doesn't happen on other sites.
Try a Mango beta ROM for the HD2 as mango have IE which might fix some of your problems. As for the desktop/mobile view, some site supersede what ever setting you have set in your browser. I know, it's annoying, but it's the site, not IE. Facebook, Youtube, Google, & a few other sites do this. Some have a link to click to change that setting via a cookie, others, you have to manually type in the "www.".
I tried a Mango ROM but it's a laggy right now (not much, but the NoDo has zero lag, so it's noticeable). any way, the problems were there as well. You're right, some sites do force a redirect to the mobile site. It just sucks that the WP7 browser is still primitive compared to those available on Android or iOS.
some people who post here are misinformed, I don't get redirected on any sites I goto except for google and their sister sites. the fact that the wp7 browser is primitive compared to android and iOS is also wrong because I've gotten redirected to mobile sites much more on those browsers than on wp7 NoDo and mango beta. those browsers don't even have an option to toggle between mobile and desktop.the wp7 mango browser which is based off IE9 scores 97/100 on the acid3 test while the android and iOS browsers are in the low 90s. the IE in mango also renders html5 at a higher framerate than the competition.this has been proven as well. and as for the fact of the disqus comment system not working in NoDo this is because the IE in NoDo is based off IE7 and those sites require IE8 to comment. it could also be due to the fact that like IE7 the IE in nodo only clocks a score of 15 on the acid3 test. the disqus comment system is also known for having issues as well.
Disqus i have problems on. But i can read comments and switch between mobile or desktop without problems on the sites i wisit. I even save bookmarks in various formats since some places is better in mobile view. I can however on sites as pocketnow not read comments in mobile view, i cant do that on my currently borrowed Android phone ether.
Heard users having no problems on Mango thou.
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some people who post here are misinformed, I don't get redirected on any sites I goto except for google and their sister sites. the fact that the wp7 browser is primitive compared to android and iOS is also wrong because I've gotten redirected to mobile sites much more on those browsers than on wp7 NoDo and mango beta. those browsers don't even have an option to toggle between mobile and desktop.the wp7 mango browser which is based off IE9 scores 97/100 on the acid3 test while the android and iOS browsers are in the low 90s. the IE in mango also renders html5 at a higher framerate than the competition.this has been proven as well. and as for the fact of the disqus comment system not working in NoDo this is because the IE in NoDo is based off IE7 and those sites require IE8 to comment. it could also be due to the fact that like IE7 the IE in nodo only clocks a score of 15 on the acid3 test. the disqus comment system is also known for having issues as well.
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I am just speaking from day-to-day usage experience. I mentioned that I was using Dolphin Browser Mini on Android, which certainly does have a user agent option, so you are mistaken.
On Mango Beta I was having the same browser problems as I did in my OP (NoDo). Disqus would display OK on desktop sites (and on some mobile sites) but wouldn't let me log in or post. On Gawker Media sites, I couldn't expand replies on their proprietary comment system, which displays fine on DBMini. THe fonts are also messed up on WP7. You can see for yourself by checking the fonts on comments on your computer and then looking at them again through WP7.
Scrolling through forums like Crackberry or NotebookReview is also a little sluggish, whereas there isn't any lag on DBMini. The desktop version of the Staples site also lagged, and showed typing delays in the search bar. I don't get what those benchmarks are supposed to mean, by the way. I don't go to graphics intensive websites on my phone or anything, just simple news and shopping websites.
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Disqus i have problems on. But i can read comments and switch between mobile or desktop without problems on the sites i wisit. I even save bookmarks in various formats since some places is better in mobile view. I can however on sites as pocketnow not read comments in mobile view, i cant do that on my currently borrowed Android phone ether.
Heard users having no problems on Mango thou.
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So maybe this is a case of web designers optimizing site display for iOS and Android browsers, but not WP7? I thought there were standards in place so that they'd all display the same in all browsers.
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I am just speaking from day-to-day usage experience. I mentioned that I was using Dolphin Browser Mini on Android, which certainly does have a user agent option, so you are mistaken.
On Mango Beta I was having the same browser problems as I did in my OP (NoDo). Disqus would display OK on desktop sites (and on some mobile sites) but wouldn't let me log in or post. On Gawker Media sites, I couldn't expand replies on their proprietary comment system, which displays fine on DBMini. THe fonts are also messed up on WP7. You can see for yourself by checking the fonts on comments on your computer and then looking at them again through WP7.
Scrolling through forums like Crackberry or NotebookReview is also a little sluggish, whereas there isn't any lag on DBMini. The desktop version of the Staples site also lagged, and showed typing delays in the search bar. I don't get what those benchmarks are supposed to mean, by the way. I don't go to graphics intensive websites on my phone or anything, just simple news and shopping websites.
So maybe this is a case of web designers optimizing site display for iOS and Android browsers, but not WP7? I thought there were standards in place so that they'd all display the same in all browsers.
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yea I didn't experience issues with commenting in NoDo before they made the IE8 requirement,haven't tried in mango yet. it may all he due to the fact that disqus uses popups and IEM9 doesn't support pop UPS. I don't know about the 3rd party browsers because I dont use them. provide links to the sites ur experiencingthese "problems" on so we can test.
Hello everyone,
I installed the "Revolver" ROM very well. big problem that seems to be for all the tablet devices that mount Android, poor or worse support JavaScript in Web pages. Bad! All animations are horrible. Pop-ups rarely interpreted correctly, often do not open.
The current trend in web pages is to replace Flash with javasscript, but Android in tablet (where web is the strong point) does not seem to think this defect so obvious! I appeal to you the greatest experts in the hope of making this tool useful for professional web design and webmasters.
Currently I can not show my sites with my teblet because JavaScript animations suck!
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Hello everyone,
I installed the "Revolver" ROM very well. big problem that seems to be for all the tablet devices that mount Android, poor or worse support JavaScript in Web pages. Bad! All animations are horrible. Pop-ups rarely interpreted correctly, often do not open.
The current trend in web pages is to replace Flash with javasscript, but Android in tablet (where web is the strong point) does not seem to think this defect so obvious! I appeal to you the greatest experts in the hope of making this tool useful for professional web design and webmasters.
Currently I can not show my sites with my teblet because JavaScript animations suck!
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Have you tried with other browsers like Opera, Dolphin HD, etc? I do Flash, so i don't have much experience with java on android, beyond the flash containers.
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Have you tried with other browsers like Opera, Dolphin HD, etc? I do Flash, so i don't have much experience with java on android, beyond the flash containers.
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Yes, of course.
I tried the best browser for Android, they all have the same problem (more or less), no one correctly interprets the animations. Falsh including some animation, these look ugly! There are serious problems with motion tweens and fades.
What I do not tolerate it and conceive why some phones with the most basic systems or android2.2 see the animation considerably better!
I hope sooner or later solve management javascip animations. The fatal flaw of the Android project
You should submit it as an issue to the android but tracker. I personaly didn't experience the problem you describe. Also if even in Opera (which uses their own engine) has this problem, then it could be sth with your software. Have you tried rebooting or different ROM?