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Hi.
I study Telecomunications Engineering and I need to have a sicentific calculator like Hp 59g ot 48, or aTexas Instrument Model like those, to make some subjects abaut calculate or algebra...
I´m looking for a software to emulate this calculators, but I can´t find anything.. Could anybody tell me something abaut?
73´s
Here's one: http://www.calculator.org/download.html
Here's more: http://www.freewareppc.com/calculator/calculator.shtml
Make sure you have a pop-up blocker installed. :wink:
i just use the same hp48 emulator that i use as calculator for my normal pc
http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=307
could try 1-calc from omegaone, but it is resource hungry and takes large amounts of memory (about 8 meg I think). I rarely use it, but you can guarantee the time when i dont have something like that is the time that I am going to need it.
www.spacetimemobile.com
Absolutely FANTASTIC piece of software!!!
Version 1.9 is currently available for $30 and you can try a 15 day trial of it. Soon, version 2.0 will be released (it was meant to become available in December, grr!), that will be $40.
I'm sure that whatever you want it for, it will do it. As far as I can tell, it lacks no functions from my standard scientific calculator, and introduces more than I can concieve uses for!
..my favourite part is the 3D graphing technology
Ahap.
I saw the first links, and I don´t think they could help me...
I want something to operate with matrix calculate, memory for introduce transform formulas (as Laplace Transform...) integration, 2d and 3d representation, complex mode...
I´m going to see the other links right now and then I write you something...
thanks 4 all
73´s
Try Virtual TI, it's an emulator for the Texas Instruments Calculators.
If you google a bit you can find the ROMs needed, or if you have a TI at home you can download it from that one using a serial cable
Anyone have any luck getting a ti emu on WM200x? I sure could use it!!!
EDIT
I had some luck, I'll try it out and see (if i geta chance).
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/309/30978.html
EDIT2
Here's a rom..... http://www.me.mtu.edu/~phlee/TI89/
I would like to try a ti83+ rom if someone has one/knows where one is.....
I'm gonna go play with this now and see how it is........
i used to do plenty of laplace and matrix calc on my hp48
so guess one can use the hp48 emulator i linked to
I use RDcalc v2.7A http://ravend.com/
Got it originally for use on IPAQ HX4700 WM2003, now use it on my XDA Exec WM5.
Added bonus was that it comes with a copy that you can use on the PC.
Lots of features.
no offense to rudger, but here is an sdk with the ti-83+ and a few other roms. Remember, you are violating copyright laws if you use a rom image of a calculator that you do not own!
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/appsdelivery/download/download.jsp
I haven't tried the other sci calcs. I know and like the TI83, so it's what i'm going with.... Good luck!
well once you go reverse polish notation you never look back
and you could get doom for the hp48
:lol:
MyCalculator v1.0 is quite good scientific calculator indeed
I would have to go with richardkemp on this one. SpaceTime is, as he rightfully said, absolutely fantastic.
I'm on an acoustics course and I do plenty of logarithmic, comlex, calculus based operations on it and including amazing graphing capabilities. This is THE CALCULATOR you wanna have. (If you've tried this and found something better, do let me know too
download from
www.spacetimemobile.com
Hi!
Since last week, I've been working on an usable kernel for the HTC Vox. I guess you've already looked at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368014&page=5
More or less, I have a working kernel. I've tested some images against the modified kernel, and both Gpe and Opie get to the welcome screen (without getting stucked). Nothing is really usable, as they're not even compiled for this specific platform (cannot get to compile opie for arm by myself... yet), but as a base, it's not bad at all.
As I've seen on my previous post, there's people interested on this (3300 views make me believe that), what I would want to know is, are there more developers interested on building a linux port for the Vox? Testers will be needed also, but later, when we get to something useful for testing
If you're interested, reply!
Cannot help u develop anything here, but would be a willing tester for it... thoroughly
I'd love to help, but I'm in the middle of moving to a new place and won't have internet most of the time next 2 weeks.
Do you have a Wiki or other place for collaberating? SourceForge perhaps?
I do have a wiki, but upload is no faster than around 80kB/s
In case you haven't seen it, you have a new build of the kernel on the other post, along with links and a little manual to start a graphic environment on the vox.
@barth666, @StefanHamminga
I've been thinking about it, and... I don't know what to do I mean, I think Sourceforge is the best place to dump it all, and it gives us a wiki too. On the other side, here is the xanadux wiki, and maybe it would be a good idea to let sourceforge host the files, and leave the wiki in here with other HTC phones... what do you think?
Oh! For GPIO dumping, the only thing I've seen working is the linwizard project's Haret_Omap.exe (in case you want to try to guess where the damned keys are )
PS: Anyone has an HTC Tornado? I'd love to know if the tornado kernel makes the leds and vibrator flash, I can't find where they are!
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PS: Anyone has an HTC Tornado? I'd love to know if the tornado kernel makes the leds and vibrator flash, I can't find where they are!
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I have a tornado (and vox and wings), so tell me what to test
I know from the ml_iPod wiki (I am the admin) that SourceForge is really slow and the Php and Sql versions are old, in case you want to set up something like MediaWiki! You might want to try http://code.google.com/ , it has a built in Wiki and you can host files!
Just a suggestion
Keep up the good work
EDIT: I could even set one up, if you want, but I am not into coding at all!
Hi! Sorry for the delay, but I'm having lots of work this week and I've been unable to keep on with this...
@Walram: On the following days I'll try to build a kernel for you, wich should put all the lights on and makes the phone vibrate until you take the battery out Obviously just for testing, it shouldn't break anything, but I need to know if the originally-made-for-the-tornado vibrator and led drivers actually work on the tornado... Thanks!
@Frauhottelmann
Didn't know that google gave that service too! will look at it this weekend and post back when I have something done with this.. thanks for the feedback!
walram said:
I have a tornado (and vox and wings), so tell me what to test
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Hi!
Ok, here's what I want you to try. If you haven't downloaded it yet, download the Linux Test Image:
http://rapidshare.com/files/93938763/test.zip.html
Then, download the kernel for the tornado:
http://rapidshare.com/files/96145010/kernel_tornado_driver.tar.gz.html
Dump the contents of the first file to the memory card, and then overwrite the file "zImage", with the one from the second link. Run haret, and hit "Run".
It should, at least, boot. If it doesn't, tell me where it gets frozen (could be that you only se some dots on the screen, whatever appears, just tell me )
If it boots, don't stop looking at the leds (charge/bluetooth leds mainly), they should, at least, flash -theorically they should stay on all the time-. It also should vibrate, at least for a quarter of second
I just need to know what it actually does!
Thanks!
So what about a dev-page? Then you don't need to upload it to Rapidshare and you can see the progress better!
Hi frauhottelmann,
I'm going to tell you the truth. I think it would be better if it's you who admins a site for this project than if I do, for various reasons:
1. I started all this thing, but I'm no owner of anything, by now I just hacked four things to make this phone boot a kernel, but no more.
2. I've seen your work at the ml_ipod sourceforge page, and think it's usable, clean, and nice, and I think that's exactly what we would need (even if it's a little slow just as you stated in your previous post). I could make the graphics for the web (I'm quite decent at photoshop), but I have never built a wiki, or a project anywhere else, and I don't know a sh** about it, so that would be another big thing to learn, and for now, I gotta learn more about the linux kernel, and that itself it's huge.
3. I don't think I can handle work, classes, building patches, kernels and bootstrap images and administrate a site, it feels like too much for me
Conclussion? I think it's better to let people do what does better, and I'm quite sure you'll do it better than I, so if you want, it's all yours
PS: In any case, we will need a name for the project, any suggestions?
What I have heard from the ml_iPod developers is that upload to SF is not a nice process either. I still think Google code is better, although it's not as customizable as SF.net. But we could also set up a page on Googlepages (pages.google.com) and then point to the Google code site with the Wiki and downloads!
I can offer my technical know-how (SPL, GPIOs, etc.)
Since I have little time you should ask me precise questions for which I can try to find the answers.
Sorry for the delay...
frauhottelmann said:
What I have heard from the ml_iPod developers is that upload to SF is not a nice process either. I still think Google code is better, although it's not as customizable as SF.net. But we could also set up a page on Googlepages (pages.google.com) and then point to the Google code site with the Wiki and downloads!
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So we can start using google code, and stick with it if it goes well. We can always change the hosting if something goes wrong! About the wiki, the easiest thing is start with google code too, and simply link the xda wiki to it...
i can't code, but i can keep you company maybe
i am here if help is nedeed
But what name do we want to use?
Linux for Vox?
LinVox !
how does that sound ?
just kidding
waiting to get linux running on my vox....
But what name do we want to use?
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Hooked on Vonix!
vonix sounds ok
can also try "Mobile TUX"
wow
this is an incredible news ! linux on the Vox !
I'd love to flash mine with a movibuntu distro =)
How do you guys feel about splitting the project up in several subprojects?
Like:
Kernel and driver work: TI OMAP HTC Vox board patch and perhaps drivers
Base system: minimal rootfs and toolkit to utilize all Vox functionality
Usability: GUI and (for instance) Android support
This would also enable us to share the base system & usability work with other 'linux on smartphone' and embedded projects.
I do have a suggestion for the base system:
www.emdebian.org
Very up to date build toolchain for arm (GCC 4.x toolchains) and you can have apt support on the base rom. This would allow access to a huge amount of packages that can be used with relatively little effort. Others I've checked out are the new mobile ubuntu (system requirements way to high), MontaVista (severe lack of proper documentation to get up to speed quickly), uClinux (uses ulibc instead of the faster full fledged one, in my opinion we'd better trade some storage for more speed) and some others I can't remember now...
PS. I've got internet at my new place and I've recovered my bricked wizard from the 'spare electronics bin', so finally I can spend some more time on this
This is my 3rd post ever here, so please be gentle.
Crogon said:
I can't seem to find it now, but didn't there used to be a list of pre-cooked ROMs here somewhere?
I think what I'm aiming at is a fully patched / hacked 6.1 HTC ROM with everything fixed and no bugs. Preferably minus any bloatware. If it has recommended utilities pre-installed great, if not, no big loss. Did they ever finish hacking a video driver together? I lost track of that thread, and can't seem to find any current info.
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Update: I found a tidbit somewhere that says the newest video driver updates should be cooked into the newest ROMs.. but how do I figure out which ones have all the bug patches and hacks installed, and etc. like I mentioned above? I know there USED to be a list of pre-cooked ROMs, but I can't find it now.
Hmm.. Am I maybe thinking of a list of pre-cooked ROMs for the Wing, or some other HTC? If I am, I'm DEFINITELY going to need some ROM recommendations.
Here are my stats, if it helps any:
rom version 3.57.502.2 WWE
rom date 7/17/08
radio version: 1.65.21.18
protocol version: 25.88.40.05H
tri-color screen
KAIS1*0
SPL-3.56.Hard
CPLD-8
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Serial
image version 3.57.502.2
R 1.65.21.18
G 25.88.40.05H
D 3.57.00.00
Thanks again for any help!
if u really want a good cooked rom i suggest you try Garmins roms....they have the latest htc drivers built in...
thats all i can say
mazin13 said:
if u really want a good cooked rom i suggest you try Garmins roms....they have the latest htc drivers built in...
thats all i can say
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he DOESN'T WANT a cooked rom he is looking for a pre-cooked rom.
@op did you check the kaiser wiki or htc's website?? 'cuz that is where you will find all the latest roms for your device that aren't cooked by a chef.
Also, look around for mbavrian's Kitchen Elements.
The "Base ROMs" on which our Chefs makes their gourmet meals are difficult to locate. Some chefs refuse to share like little playground children.
Others, Like NotATreoFan, have released their base for other people to use to make ROMs. Great Contributors.
Woops!
I guess I stated that incorrectly. Sorry!!
Actually I DO want a custom 'Cooked' ROM. My main purpose of reflashing the ROM is to get rid of all known bugs and bloatware. So I WANT all the custom registry hacks and patches to make everything run smoothly. I want the hacked video drivers (as they appear to currently be stable) and etc..
SO.. I'm looking for:
1) 6.1 OS with fast drivers and all known hacks and patches to have as few bugs as possible. UNLESS 6.1 has introduced some known bugs that can't be fixed (wouldn't surprise me with an MS product). IF there's a bug free FASTER version 5 OS, that will run on the Tilt, I'll be happy with that. One time I installed Win95 on a 1.6Ghz T-bird. Power on to fully loaded desktop was like 2 seconds flat.
2) bloatware removed so as to free up space, and I assume cleaning crap out of the registry wouldn't hurt with speed. Is there a system cache, and would it be beneficial to move it to the SD card? I've read that moving the IE cache to the SD card is asking for trouble, not sure that there's a concensus on that or if it's just opinion though.
OK.. that's going to get confusing. Scratch that and start over:
1) All known bugs hacked or patched.
2) All known speed enhancements (that don't compromise system integrity).
3) Rip out MS (or HTC ..or both?) crapware that COULD be replaced with faster / more functional counterparts.
4) Optional: pre-installed or at least packaged (cab?) applications to enhance functionality. My priority in applications is utility enhancement. Example: I can download 200 Flash / Java / MAME games to the SIM card some day if I get bored, don't need it in the OS. However, if there's a remedial photo editing utility that will allow me to edit my pics before I upload them somewhere, I want it.
I did manage to stumble across a wiki page last night: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Cooked_ROMs
32 Developers and countless ROMs without any comparison isn't much help though. Can I assume all current ROMs are posted there?
Browsing through them, I recall that Alex's ROMs used to be the last word in ROMs, apparently dutty's were until he switched gears. HyperDragon seems to be terribly popular at the moment, but popular doesn't mean better.
I suppose I could try to gather all the available info into a giant spreadsheet, but the fact that about half the ROMs link out to a feature list is slightly discouraging. I think dutty's list of registry hacks ends in '.. and a bunch of other stuff I forgot', which is TERRIBLY discouraging (when trying to compare features).
Anyway, sorry if I'm rambling on here. Please don't take anything I'm saying as judgemental, I'm sort of thinking out loud trying to decide how best to proceed.
Say, has anybody considered building a CVS tree of sorts? I don't suppose you could have actual CODE stored in a repository without violating some sort of copyright or reverse engineering crap.. but a list of known code changes and etc. would seem to be a good idea. Since neither MS nor HTC has stepped up to the plate over the years, due to corporate greed, some sort of XDA-Dev code change tracking system seems like 'the last best hope' to get a decent OS. Ever.
That's why I'm jumping ship to try out the G1 after this. I don't believe MS will ever invest the effort to give us a 'business class' reliable bug free solution. ..let alone one that's innovative or even exceptional. They're style would lead me to expect them to wait till we have 800mhz handhelds, then 'patch' over top of everything they don't like to make it appear to behave better. ..and of course they would deem it necessary to add another programming layer to the OS to 'increase functionality' (read: bog down the OS).
Yup.. I'm definitely babbling now, so I'll just cut myself short.
I guess my bottom line questions are, Is there a more complete list of ROMs anywhere I should be using? ..or one which already compares all the features, so I don't have to?
Better yet, Is there a ROM build specifically to fit what I'm looking for? I seem to recall Alex's were built somewhat similar, but the newest one is quite old now. Hmm.. there is no Windows Mobile revision list is there? I have no way of knowing which older versions would be good, and when bug patches were introduced and etc.
Oh well, guess there's nothing to do but dive in head first and start putting together the best feature list I can with what resources I have.
Thanks for any help! ..and if you read this whole thing, thanks for putting up with my rambling, lol.
Crogon said:
I guess my bottom line questions are, Is there a more complete list of ROMs anywhere I should be using? ..or one which already compares all the features, so I don't have to?
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I've never seen one and I don't believe one exists. You'll just have to do your own research.
Crogon said:
I guess I stated that incorrectly. Sorry!!
Actually I DO want a custom 'Cooked' ROM. My main purpose of reflashing the ROM is to get rid of all known bugs and bloatware. So I WANT all the custom registry hacks and patches to make everything run smoothly. I want the hacked video drivers (as they appear to currently be stable) and etc..
SO.. I'm looking for:
1) 6.1 OS with fast drivers and all known hacks and patches to have as few bugs as possible. UNLESS 6.1 has introduced some known bugs that can't be fixed (wouldn't surprise me with an MS product). IF there's a bug free FASTER version 5 OS, that will run on the Tilt, I'll be happy with that. One time I installed Win95 on a 1.6Ghz T-bird. Power on to fully loaded desktop was like 2 seconds flat.
2) bloatware removed so as to free up space, and I assume cleaning crap out of the registry wouldn't hurt with speed. Is there a system cache, and would it be beneficial to move it to the SD card? I've read that moving the IE cache to the SD card is asking for trouble, not sure that there's a concensus on that or if it's just opinion though.
OK.. that's going to get confusing. Scratch that and start over:
1) All known bugs hacked or patched.
2) All known speed enhancements (that don't compromise system integrity).
3) Rip out MS (or HTC ..or both?) crapware that COULD be replaced with faster / more functional counterparts.
4) Optional: pre-installed or at least packaged (cab?) applications to enhance functionality. My priority in applications is utility enhancement. Example: I can download 200 Flash / Java / MAME games to the SIM card some day if I get bored, don't need it in the OS. However, if there's a remedial photo editing utility that will allow me to edit my pics before I upload them somewhere, I want it.
I did manage to stumble across a wiki page last night: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Cooked_ROMs
32 Developers and countless ROMs without any comparison isn't much help though. Can I assume all current ROMs are posted there?
Browsing through them, I recall that Alex's ROMs used to be the last word in ROMs, apparently dutty's were until he switched gears. HyperDragon seems to be terribly popular at the moment, but popular doesn't mean better.
I suppose I could try to gather all the available info into a giant spreadsheet, but the fact that about half the ROMs link out to a feature list is slightly discouraging. I think dutty's list of registry hacks ends in '.. and a bunch of other stuff I forgot', which is TERRIBLY discouraging (when trying to compare features).
Anyway, sorry if I'm rambling on here. Please don't take anything I'm saying as judgemental, I'm sort of thinking out loud trying to decide how best to proceed.
Say, has anybody considered building a CVS tree of sorts? I don't suppose you could have actual CODE stored in a repository without violating some sort of copyright or reverse engineering crap.. but a list of known code changes and etc. would seem to be a good idea. Since neither MS nor HTC has stepped up to the plate over the years, due to corporate greed, some sort of XDA-Dev code change tracking system seems like 'the last best hope' to get a decent OS. Ever.
That's why I'm jumping ship to try out the G1 after this. I don't believe MS will ever invest the effort to give us a 'business class' reliable bug free solution. ..let alone one that's innovative or even exceptional. They're style would lead me to expect them to wait till we have 800mhz handhelds, then 'patch' over top of everything they don't like to make it appear to behave better. ..and of course they would deem it necessary to add another programming layer to the OS to 'increase functionality' (read: bog down the OS).
Yup.. I'm definitely babbling now, so I'll just cut myself short.
I guess my bottom line questions are, Is there a more complete list of ROMs anywhere I should be using? ..or one which already compares all the features, so I don't have to?
Better yet, Is there a ROM build specifically to fit what I'm looking for? I seem to recall Alex's were built somewhat similar, but the newest one is quite old now. Hmm.. there is no Windows Mobile revision list is there? I have no way of knowing which older versions would be good, and when bug patches were introduced and etc.
Oh well, guess there's nothing to do but dive in head first and start putting together the best feature list I can with what resources I have.
Thanks for any help! ..and if you read this whole thing, thanks for putting up with my rambling, lol.
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You have to spend some time and TRY each ROM and see which one is suited for you.
Again, READ and spend time.
Read WIKI especially.
There is no 100% perfect ROM even if it is official one.
Crogon said:
I guess my bottom line questions are, Is there a more complete list of ROMs anywhere I should be using?
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Cooked_ROMs
If you want a newest list, you are always welcome to Update the wiki
I'm heading for the aspirin bottle just now. I spent like 3 hours reformatting the info on the wiki page into a spreadsheet.. when I discovered that some of the authors are still releasing, but it's not on the list!
AAHHH!!
So basically, A full up to date list is needed. Let alone version comparisons or features and bug fix lists.
Good grief.
No wonder most people opt to install ROMs randomly till they happen across one they like.
.. I think I'll make a new wiki page eventually. Something along the lines of a Kaiser ROM Feature Comparison page.
Do I get a XDA-Dev decoder ring if I actually finish it? lol
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01-09-08 - new link to files for working wifi
http://www.4shared.com/dir/19593527/3cb53c3a/sharing.html
24-07-09 - If anyone is interested in making themed system images, he's posted this link to help you learn how to do it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471586
19-07-09 - New kernel with changes from Vogue branch released. I am currently testing radios and resolutions. List of resolutions from kaiser thread
15-07-09 - A revival in our development as meant we are now catching up with the other devices with development on the project. Thank you to all who donated to the purchase of development Polaris that will be used by vilord, from vogue forum to help us with the project.
Current developers:
Life02 - Fixed GPS, Working on Battery issues.
Vilord - On holiday, now in possession of a Polaris. Also working on Bluetooth.
Newbie16 - Fixed Wifi - need to add irq's.
05-07-09 - New 1.5 ION build of Android for the Vogue has been reported to work well for the Polaris and can be found on the Google Vogue repository. The new 1.5 builds are noticeably also faster and smoother than previous builds. Some troubleshooting info can be found at the Androidhtc website for these builds (thanks freddycs). APN details can be found on Wikipedia - (thanks Mormy)
Things that do NOT work at present:
Bluetooth - No - Working partially for Vogue
Wifi - WORKING! *NEW* - thanks to a lot of effort by my friend Newbie16 - thanks mate
Camera - No - Working for Vogue
GPS - now working thanks to life02! - Well done my friend
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A new thread for budding designers has been set up by Venigo, (thanks matey!) who will lead the design side of the Polaris Android project (kind of makes you a little emotional thinking we're at that stage where we can start thinking about wallpapers and themes doesnt it?) Thread can be found here: Polaris Linux Android - Wallpapers, Themes and Icons
UPDATES: - Please check the WIKI for up-to-date progress updates here: Android on Polaris WIKI (Thanks excogitation)
NEW TESTING AND BUG THREAD ANNOUCEMENT:
marcelkordek has kindly started a thread for testing and bug reporting as we now have an almost usable Android image which can be found here: Polaris Android Project - Testing and Bug Reporting The thread will also be used to provide updates on the progress of the Android kernel as well as providing feedback to the devs on the latest posted images. Please ensure that the Testing and Bug Reporting thread is used for reporting user experiences and enable to keep the development thread cleaner and make life easier for the devs, whom you will all agree are doing an excellent job to support our beloved device.
18/1/09 - Working Radio with calls at last! Audio and SMS still not working but GPRS does but with a bit of fiddling.
16/1/09 - SMD code is nearly fixed by DZO, Rogro82 will be making a new image soon. Most of the development at this time is being reported in the Kaiser forum: UPDATED!!! - Google Android and Linux for KAISER!! as DZO was sent a Kaiser and he is working on the issues on it.
5/1/09 - DZO is working to bring the Kaiser and Polaris branches together so that the kernel will work on all our devices. Waiting to see what changes are made.
1/1/09 - Rogro82 uploaded a "booting" 1.0 SDK along with source files and instructions (below). Although this is very much a work-in-progress, it is the first bootable version of the 1.0 SDK for the Polaris.
11/12 - DZO and rolk worked out some changes that may help us resolve the SD Card stability issue. Dwaradzyne posted up a Zimage with the changes for testing.
CPLD Handbook
GPIO Manuals
LATEST FILES USED FOR DEVELOPMENT:
1/1/09 - Latest files are packed in this archive - to boot simply unpack to the root of your sd card and run haret (included).
A big THANK YOU to Rogro82 for getting the 1.0 SDK booting on the Polaris
Enjoy!
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FIRST POST
I'll start with another simple question I cant find an answer to:
WHY CANT WE JUST PORT THE G1 ROM TO THE POLARIS?
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I will try to search too
I will try to put as simple as possible. Building a ROM requires combinig two parts:
1. Kernel/drivers part.
2. Applications and stuff.
In case of Windows Mobile part 1. in practice always comes from official HTC Polaris ROM. Part 2 comes from other official HTC ROM (could be other phone) and it can be modified by cooker.
We do not have a full working Polaris Android ROM, and we cannot just cook without part 1. Part 2 is available as Android sources are open.
The reason why we did not have 3d driver working on Polaris immediately after first Diamond ROM was available is that part 1. is not transferrable from one model to another.
Part 1. in Android is Linux kernel. We must get involved in Linux kernel developement for Polaris to bring Android to our phones.
why do we always want our phones to look like other phones. why cant we just be unique. we are windows mobile. TOP DOGG. i like windows mobile theme especially when its black. i like g1 but the design looks ancient. its not 2008 more like 1998
dortyboy said:
why do we always want our phones to look like other phones. why cant we just be unique. we are windows mobile. TOP DOGG. i like windows mobile theme especially when its black. i like g1 but the design looks ancient. its not 2008 more like 1998
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absolutely agree. Copying iPhone was fun the first 2,3 months. Why not trying to develop really good apps with nice UIs and make own ideas into real interfaces for throttle launcher, M2D etc etc - posibilities are nearly endless.
i absolutely agree. i havent seen not one cool program thats actually usefull in our daily life for windows mobile not since i had a treo way back.
programs like directory; that could look at your number and tell u the owners name and adress
stuff like that. maybe tell u when zip code the call is coming from. useful programs. not the crappy programs that just try to make your phone look pretty.
thats why people go to iphone, the programs are useful in peoples daily life but not windows mobile
Here we go
ROM download :
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/155612986/Android_dump.rar
I think its a probleme with the boot loader and some part of the android code which isn't public
Have look here :
Code:
http://www.limofoundation.org/en/limo-press-releases/limo-foundation-statement-on-the-google-android-g1-handset.html
dortyboy said:
why do we always want our phones to look like other phones. why cant we just be unique. we are windows mobile. TOP DOGG. i like windows mobile theme especially when its black. i like g1 but the design looks ancient. its not 2008 more like 1998
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Are you new to the mobile device world?
We are not trying to get it to "look like the G1". We are talking about using a completely different operating system.. lol.. and you are talking about a black windows mobile theme and how the hardware of the G1 looks ancient.. lol..
Oh.. and "being unique" in this case would be having Android on a non G1 phone.. that would be unique. Windows mobile is not unique.
m.schmidler said:
absolutely agree. Copying iPhone was fun the first 2,3 months. Why not trying to develop really good apps with nice UIs and make own ideas into real interfaces for throttle launcher, M2D etc etc - posibilities are nearly endless.
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Developing apps and trying to use resource hog throttle launcher is nothing close to having a brand new stable device operating system.
m.schmidler said:
absolutely agree. Copying iPhone was fun the first 2,3 months. Why not trying to develop really good apps with nice UIs and make own ideas into real interfaces for throttle launcher, M2D etc etc - posibilities are nearly endless.
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Maybe we can develop better apps under Android?
Look at the apps currently available for iphone - hopefully Android will get better market penetration than Windows Mobile, and, because it's open source it opens up a whole range of possibilities for developers.
I say if it can be done, it should be done!
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I will try to put as simple as possible. Building a ROM requires combinig two parts:
1. Kernel/drivers part.
2. Applications and stuff.
In case of Windows Mobile part 1. in practice always comes from official HTC Polaris ROM. Part 2 comes from other official HTC ROM (could be other phone) and it can be modified by cooker.
We do not have a full working Polaris Android ROM, and we cannot just cook without part 1. Part 2 is available as Android sources are open.
The reason why we did not have 3d driver working on Polaris immediately after first Diamond ROM was available is that part 1. is not transferrable from one model to another.
Part 1. in Android is Linux kernel. We must get involved in Linux kernel developement for Polaris to bring Android to our phones.
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Thanks for the idiots guide dwardzyne!
So that very clearly explains the kernel level requirement.
OK. Second question:
With regard to part 1 - Kernel/Drivers - Can we convert the vogue version since it seems to have the most work done to it? What would need to be done to it to make it work?
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I think its a probleme with the boot loader and some part of the android code which isn't public
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a boot loader :
Code:
http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/WebHome
bally3 said:
Thanks for the idiots guide dwardzyne!
So that very clearly explains the kernel level requirement.
OK. Second question:
With regard to part 1 - Kernel/Drivers - Can we convert the vogue version since it seems to have the most work done to it? What would need to be done to it to make it work?
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Indeed kernel developement for Kaiser and Polaris is based on Vogue work. It slowed down because of SD stability issue.
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Indeed kernel development for Kaiser and Polaris is based on Vogue work. It slowed down because of SD stability issue.
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I believe the sd card issue has been resolved on vogue and they've moved onto other things (camera etc). but it seems like its the end of the road for the Polaris - apart from rumors that someones supposed to be sending a kaiser or a polaris to dzo for him to work from. This kind of points to that dzo is the only person on xdevs capable of working at kernel level with a kaiser or polaris?? That cant possibly be true - can it?
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I believe the sd card issue has been resolved on vogue and they've moved onto other things (camera etc). but it seems like its the end of the road for the Polaris - apart from rumors that someones supposed to be sending a kaiser or a polaris to dzo for him to work from. This kind of points to that dzo is the only person on xdevs capable of working at kernel level with a kaiser or polaris?? That cant possibly be true - can it?
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He already has the knowledge... He wants to share his knowledge, if someone send him a Kaiser or Polaris, and will make it work... I thought there were plenty of users willing to send there old or half bricked kaiser or polaris... but still nobody send him one... as far as I know...
Nobody keeps nobody up to date in the kaiser thread... So I really don't know what is going on... But they still don't have a decent fix for the DMA (SD-Card read/write) problem (as far as I know).
Porting the G1 rom isn't a possibility, you first have to have drivers for our device, since we haven't got a driver to read/write to the internal memory (not the RAM), it still cannot boot .
I hope this project will really come of the ground finally... It's half way there... but still not finished (if you ask me, due to miscommunication and not working together of users, because they all want to be the first who got it working to show off with it... (so they are all working on the same piece of code, which is a waste of time if you ask me)).
Maybe one of us can contact DZO, check what he needs to continue our development. Because without the SD-Card driver we can't continue...
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Maybe one of us can contact DZO, check what he needs to continue our development. Because without the SD-Card driver we can't continue...
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I'll contact him, I dont think there are many users who would just send a device worth a couple of hundred euros to a complete stranger though many would tell you they would at the time. With the P3D driver their was only one person who was willing to loan a unit for development - and that was only because they were in the same country. I was asking for ages before that.
is their any other way we could help him? surely the internal workings of a polaris rom coupled with the specs could be used if dzo would do what NuShrike did on the p3d driver which was tell us to try things he worked on? I'm sure there would be willing volunteers including myself who he could talk through it on the forums or on the #android room.
I can't offer to donate my polaris as its the only mobile I have.. but I would be more than willing to try things out on my xda or provide any other help possible to get this project moving.
Hopefully one day a fully working Android will be a reality on polaris
Hey all.
Sony Ericsson have stated quite clearly.. "No Flash on X10". Despite being quite categorical, there is much more to the story... so sit back with a coffee, and allow me to explain;
{disclaimer: i've only had an Android smartphone (Nexus One) since about June, so my experience had been exclusively using Froyo until now}
As far as i'm aware, Flash-Lite ran on certain HTC devices with Android Eclair (2.1) but this was done thru the device's default browser using webkit's plugin permission.
Flash 10.1 on the other hand is designed to run on Froyo (2.2) using a more direct Google plugin to the browser. (possibly an API not reliant on webkit as default, thus allowing other browsers to gain plugin access)
Anyway.. Sony Ericsson, for whatever reason, hasn't included either of these methods in this Eclair release. Conspiracy theorists may point to the coming PSP-phone as one reason to omit Flash.. ie. free multiplayer web-games.
So anyway, that's the bad news! No browser-based Flash unless it gets hacked into X10 by someone, or the bootloader get cracked, etc etc.
Ok, now the good news;
Hardware performance isn't a factor, as X10's Arm7 CPU IS supported by Adobe Flash + Air when running Froyo, as it clearly states X10's compatibility on their developer page.
Even better news for flash aficionados;
Lucky for us, Adobe made an early version of Air (ie. Flash outside the browser) for Android which runs just fine on Eclair. Although it's no longer under development (hasn't been since June) it's therefore unsupported by Adobe, and missing the odd feature such as GPU acceleration.
However, my early tests show it runs pretty well, comparing it to my Nexus One at least.
There are some limitations such as only running newer Actionscript3, (and no multi-touch, ha-ha ;O) ..but i can still see a great opportunity promoting and supporting Air on the X10. More so since every Air app or game i've seen so far only runs on Froyo.
As i see it, there's now a distinct niche supporting Air for Eclair userbase, so i hope some of you will consider helping me to exploit it. I'm here to help however i can, like porting as much stuff as possible to run on our Eclair devices, and ask anyone who's interested to offer support such as testing, designing, coding, or whatever. (PM or post here if interested to help out) I also propose a unique identifier; 'EPX'. The meaning will become obvious later.
To kick things off, i've attached a splash image, the Air Runtime for Eclair, and a sample game to test it. Here are the details about the game;
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- Called "Code Bummer" made by Jesse Freeman, Dan Wolfe, Sean McCracken. (renamed "Hobo" with new icon, and recompiled to run on Eclair)
- Source code; http://github.com/jessefreeman/codebummer (a very clean example of a flash game for Android!)
- Description; http://www.appbrain.com/app/code-bummer/air.com.gamecook.CodeBummer (members will notice it says "Your device has Android 2.1. However this app is for Android version 2.2 and higher")
- Performance Tip: I find that after starting the game, the responsiveness is a bit slow, so i press back button (out of the game) then reload back into the game, and performance is much more playable.
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Enjoy!
[UPDATE]
Anyone interested in developing Air for Eclair apps or games (that will also work on the latest Air for Froyo runtime) should stick to ONLY using the June 3rd SDK here...
(AIR25_win_sdk_20100603.zip)
http://www.mediafire.com/?m19cetvay9xqx38
Or the June 3rd CS5 Air Extension here...
(AIRforAndroid_FlashCS5_060310.zxp)
http://www.mediafire.com/?22hewf5kg98u3sd
Both of ^these are for Windows developers only.
We are also looking for the existing Linux and Mac SDK's dated the 3rd of June. If you have one of these, then please let us know, so that we may share it with everyone who needs it.
Cheers!
hi
that`s really good news(?) for us
unfortunately I have no knowledge in these areas but no doubt that I make available to serve as guinea pigs (?)
just hope this idea don`t die young and devs who had the knowlage will help you on this
Air for Android Developer Links
Thanks. It's a big catchup being couple of years behind the java devs, but strength in numbers helps.
Useful links for anyone getting started with Air development on Android;
"Using AIR for Mobile Development" (slideshow) *new*
"How to Add a Splash Screen to Your Air for Android App"
"How to Import MovieClips into a Flash Builder ActionScript Project"
"Optimization Techniques for Air for Android Apps"
"Sample Employee Directory Application using Flex and AIR for Android"
Using The Accelerometer Sensor in ActionScript 3
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All my knowledge goes to AS3 and that is it. No Java or anything else. But testing wise, I am all here to help.
Is it not possible to port the Plugin from 2.2 to 2.1 or to install HTC Browser?
great it works quite laggy but a great start!
cuddles100 said:
great it works quite laggy but a great start!
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Glad to hear it.
If you follow the performance tip (written above in red) then it runs as smooth as the original 80's coin arcade classic that it's based on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogger
Nimche said:
All my knowledge goes to AS3 and that is it. No Java or anything else. But testing wise, I am all here to help.
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Ahh.. that type of "flash junkie" haha. I thought you meant flashing roms.
Anyway, Air on Android is pure AS3 development, unlike the desktop version which could run Html or Javascript seamlessly...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Integrated_Runtime#JavaScript_frameworks
In fact, coming from Actionscript background, i was impressed enough with it's implementation to switch almost entirely to Javascript coding in the early versions of Adobe Air which were codenamed "Apollo".
So although the desktop version of AIR includes the WebKit HTML rendering engine, this is not supported in Air for Android. (i'm guessing the overhead of running webkit alongside AS3 engine was too heavy for general smartphone use)
However something called "StageWebView" appears to be supported, so i'll look into how that works.
Wolfbreak said:
Is it not possible to port the Plugin from 2.2 to 2.1 or to install HTC Browser?
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An attempt was made...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6569529&postcount=16
^That whole thread makes excellent reading if you're deep into webkit hacking!
Air for Eclair Source Code
Keeping to the same theme as Code Bummer.. here's a bitmap side-scroller sample by 'theflashbum'...
https://github.com/theflashbum/BitmapScroller/downloads
The size is 9mb cos it includes 29 images. The images are truely funny for any hardcore flash coders, but the side scrolling to way too jumpy to be of any use as is. (...unless you want a migrane as an excuse not to go to work today! lol)
I7redd said:
Glad to hear it.
If you follow the performance tip (written above in red) then it runs as smooth as the original 80's coin arcade classic that it's based on.
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Didnt read that bit. lol. Yeh the lag pretty much disapears when u do that awesome!
cuddles100 said:
Didnt read that bit. lol. Yeh the lag pretty much disapears when u do that awesome!
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Thanks for the confirmation. (tip now highlighted)
It does the same on my Nexus running Froyo, so not sure yet what's causing that to happen. We need a few more sample games to see if it happens on Air generally, but for now it's quick fix that works.
I7redd said:
Ahh.. that type of "flash junkie" haha. I thought you meant flashing roms.
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I did mean both of them. Flash phone and development for AS3. Hope to make something out of this.
Cheers,
Edit> That was nice. OT, how do you pack an apk off flash?
> how do you back an apk off flash?
Not quite sure i understand.
To "back out of flash" means pressing hardware back button. The game suspends, so when you go in again (pressing game icon) it continues where you were, but also plays smoother.
To back up an apk can use normal backup app like Titanium.
I7redd said:
> how do you back an apk off flash?
Not quite sure i understand.
To "back out of flash" means pressing hardware back button. The game suspends, so when you go in again (pressing game icon) it continues where you were, but also plays smoother.
To back up an apk can use normal backup app like Titanium.
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I fixed it 4 minutes before your post anyways I meant pack an apk. How do you turn air application into android app?
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...development for AS3. Hope to make something out of this.
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Cool.
These XDA forums have developer sections, thou to me at least, they seems slanted towards rom development, not apps, so I thought i'd start off a topic about testing Air, and see how the response is.
If there are people who are also keen to develop using Air for Eclair, then i'm happy to help get them started, or organize a group project. Will see how it goes.
For myself, i'm using Flash Builder 4, so switching between Froyo or Eclair involves overcopying the respective SDKs in Flash Builder folder..
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Flash Builder 4\sdks\4.0.A
For Froyo we use latest build [09/30/10] ...but for Eclair we have to use the older SDK dated the same as the Eclair Runtime [06/03/10] that i attached on the first post. I've uploaded (18mb zip) the older "Eclair SDK" for those who want to try compiling something...
http://www.mediafire.com/?m19cetvay9xqx38
Any issues, let me know.
Nimche said:
I fixed it 4 minutes before your post
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Heh. I didn't reload the page before answering. (also a bit slow typing with a cat on my lap)
Nimche said:
How do you turn air application into android app?
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After building your SWF file.. use (windows) dos command something like..
adt -package -target apk -storetype pkcs12 -keystore cert.p12 -storepass password my_app.apk my_app.xml my_app.swf
Quick way is to put ^that into a make.bat file.
Then put "adb install -r my_app.apk" into an install.bat file.
Then put "call make.bat & call install.bat" into a run.bat file.
Then double-click run.bat and it's all done in 1 step.
very good stuff! I will glady test stuff for you's
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
I7redd said:
After building your SWF file.. use (windows) dos command something like..
adt -package -target apk -storetype pkcs12 -keystore cert.p12 -storepass password my_app.apk my_app.xml my_app.swf
Quick way is to put ^that into a make.bat file.
Then put "adb install -r my_app.apk" into an install.bat file.
Then put "call make.bat & call install.bat" into a run.bat file.
Then double-click run.bat and it's all done in 1 step.
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Cool sh*t. I will make some stuff for testing. Happy that AIR works here and I was going to be disappointed but now I have more purpose for using 2.1//