What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
I like system panel it gives a lot more info about what apps are missing behaving. Watchdog is real useful also.
Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
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Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
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He's not asking you if he should get a task killer he's asking for some names of task killers
Best and simplest is advanced task killer or ATK
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What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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And this is why I had my previous post. torvick12 said he never understood why it's bad to kill apps, so I gave him a reason - and here's another person saying basically the same thing, just, without the why Android does what it does.
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
It Boots Back Up Sometimes, But Instead Of Long-Pressing On Whichever App It Is Restarting, Press The Service Button (In Adv.Task Killer App) That Should Shut It Down Once (Twice The Most) For Good!!
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i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
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I Used Autokiller
I Also Have Autokiller Installed, But More Or Less Only Use The Presets, Mainly Cause I'm Not Sure What The Settings Are Spose Tah Get Set Too.
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moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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They aren't "running". They are loaded in memory for quick access to them. If something else needs that memory, the os will unload something from memory itself.
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but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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You don't need to. Period.
Advanced Task Killer does the job for me.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Taskkillers are for new android users coming from Windows. Lol.
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task killer pro is what i use to use back on ver 2.1 and 2.0.1 but if you ever get onto froyo or Gingerbread it's best not to even use a task killer at all.
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but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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If you're really interested, you can read lengthy technical writeups on how Android manages its apps.
If not, then you need to accept the fact that those apps are cached in memory and are not actively processing or using battery and there is no reason to kill them (unless they are acting up, in which case, I believe Eclair, but at least Froyo, and up have a built in task killing feature). That memory will be cleared when another app takes priority.
Think about this: your automated task killer is showing you only have 5% free memory! You kill those apps and you now have 95% free. WHAT GOOD IS THAT MEMORY IF IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYWAY? I reiterate, the memory would have been cleared regardless when another app took priority.
the android os. plain and simple
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There are 2 top task managing apps rite now
Task Killer by ReChild
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TasKiller free by Thibaut Nicolas.
wanted to know which one u guys prefer.
i liked the Task Killer by ReChild....as it is easier to use..and more intuitive.
Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
do some task managers cause programs to crash or stop working randomly?
my handcent and messaging were crashing
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There are 2 top task managing apps rite now
Task Killer by ReChild
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TasKiller free by Thibaut Nicolas.
wanted to know which one u guys prefer.
i liked the Task Killer by ReChild....as it is easier to use..and more intuitive.
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I have task killer by ReChild aswell and no just go into the app and ignore the ones you dont to be killed.
Try System Panel (beta) it works well really well - search for it on the market.
I have tried Advanced Task Killer and for me the best is Task Manager, the one that has green droid on the icon and red circle with X inside it Altough, as time goes my RAM goes from 140 Mb to 80 or less, Im guessing that Timescape eats the memory as it updates because he is on my ignore list with few other programs.
Advance Task Manager is the best for my opinion...because my phone has 178 ram free now and has auto shutdown application and its more faster..
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Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
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I'm with you, every task manager ive tried either uses more battery than it saves or kills things that you really dont want it to.
If i need to kill something I now use the force stop option under applications in the settings. Astro also has a nice process manager that shows cpu usage and allows you to kill off individual processes.
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Advance Task Manager is the best for my opinion...because my phone has 178 ram free now and has auto shutdown application and its more faster..
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What is on your ignore list ? I have Nimbuzz, Messages, Timescape, Weather and Facebook and on fresh start I have 150 Mb but with time it gets to 80 Mb...there is no way that you can have 178 Mb whole day and that some services are working in background. Or am I doing something wrong ?
Cheers
why are you worried about how much free ram you have? Have you ever actually experienced a situation where an app complained about not having enough memory?
Why not just let android worry about using the free memory in the best way it can. If an App needs more memory Android can always dump some of the stuff that is not important anyway.
Try to use Advance Task Manager and tell me then how much free memory you have...
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TaskOS was really awesome, then there was this update and now it sucks
Task Managers are only needed by pseudo multitasking phones/OS's such as Windows.
Linux/Android take care of their own memory management and so do not need task killers, in fact on Android they do more harm than good as they kill processes that you really do want to be running or at least resident in memory. It will slow your phone down and drain power if Android needs to keep restarting it's monitoring processes (eg. battery monitor, clock, alarm etc...) because the user keeps killing it with a task manager.
Also, just because an application is resident in the kernel does not mean it is being used, using any resources, stealing any resources or memory from anything else. If a new application start and Android needs the memory, it will take it !
^ Yeah, I stopped using a task manager a few weeks ago, and think my battery life has actually improved since doing so.
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Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
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I'm with you, every task manager ive tried either uses more battery than it saves or kills things that you really dont want it to.
If i need to kill something I now use the force stop option under applications in the settings. Astro also has a nice process manager that shows cpu usage and allows you to kill off individual processes.
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yep.... Astro is cool.... and now the phone is much smoother and battery life has improved....
I have been using advanced task killer, but will look into some of the alternatives suggested here.
Even if a task manager doesn't improve performance, I can't do without one. I just gotta know what is running in the background.
P.S. Why is this forum such a PIA for new users?
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why are you worried about how much free ram you have? Have you ever actually experienced a situation where an app complained about not having enough memory?
Why not just let android worry about using the free memory in the best way it can. If an App needs more memory Android can always dump some of the stuff that is not important anyway.
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I think the main point is people are trying to work out ways of increasing their battery life.
Good topic.
well i use advanced task killer by rechild, i decided to leave it closed all day today and let tye os do its thing. while i agree android can easily allocate the ram, in just 5 hours without task kill my battery drained to 68%, normally itd be around 88%ish. so my vote goes to task kill for better batt life...
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X10 Have Built in Application running in background call Wiper App (com.qualcomm.wiper.apk)
Can any expert tell me is this file works as task-manager in the system?
Hi all.
Is there any app\way to use something like this:
When we access the normal 'task manager'\'view running apps' (if you press the middle button of X10), if we long press the app we want, have the option to kill it ?
Cheers!
hey guys not sure if any of you are experiencing the same problem with advanced task killer
but as the title describes, every time i open advanced task killer the same apps that i killed previously is on the list again showing that its in use...is that just the way it is or is there a way to shut those apps off for good?
and then on top of that, every time i kill the same apps the amount of available memory shows a diff #.
any input is much appreciated.
I think the closest thing you can use for now would be the auto kill feature lol but that's not an amazing option either! As for memory I've experienced it an all and perhaps someone can explain to us both! I'd really like to know..
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...is that just the way it is or is there a way to shut those apps off for good?
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Hi - I think that the processes that you're referring to in ATK are kindred of those found in the Windows OS and the like - they are processes that need to be running for the phone to function.
I too noticed the vast difference in the available memory fresh after each kill - I've pegged it down to the old rule of thumb, smart phones need to be rebooted every 48 hours or so - just like a computer, rebooting is the best way to free up RAM (or in this case, sweet sweet x10 memory).
Personally I reserve ATK for when I exit an app that doesn't in fact have an "Exit" option in it's in-app menu; just to be sure that the process has been killed.
Hope that eases the brain strain
ive started to use fastreboot.. reboots the phone without having to switch it off.. does it instantly and helps free up ram!
This does not really resolve the issue does it. I need to restrict programs to start on reboot, thats all I need. I know there are applications are causing the battery drain.
Im left with this stupid device now.. really want to move away now.
This does not really resolve the issue does it. I need to restrict programs to start on reboot, thats all I need. I know there are applications are causing the battery drain.
Im left with this stupid device now.. really want to move away now.
Re: Advanced task killer diff...
Well there aint much that can be done about that. Just gotta hope someone manages to root the phone and then you can delete those programz you don't like!
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I'm using advance task killer, when I kill everything when I start up I get about 200mb of ram... But after a while I see some programs I don't use but it show up in ATK... Like google maps, moixer mail... I didn't use any of them, y is it on n draining my ram??
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It is not ATK problem, it is Android problem, you can root your fone in order to uninstall unexpecting program.
is it worth it to have the task killer???
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I'm using advance task killer, when I kill everything when I start up I get about 200mb of ram... But after a while I see some programs I don't use but it show up in ATK... Like google maps, moixer mail... I didn't use any of them, y is it on n draining my ram??
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Hi, And welcome to android!
This is not at all a problem. Android just starts everything and keeps it in 'cache' form . They are not at all draining your RAM as the system manages which program will get how much RAM. Just stop using task Killers and your phone will rum a lot smoother..
Huh, isn't task killer suppose to help save ram?? Cause after all these programs auto running I get about 30mb of ram left according to task killer...
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Hi..the point real united was making is that you don't need to ' save' ram on android. Android manages the memory itself so will remove things which are cached in order to create any memory it needs.
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Oo dats awesome! Didn't know android can do dat... Windows mobile 6.5 is a total different think...
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Huh, isn't task killer suppose to help save ram?? Cause after all these programs auto running I get about 30mb of ram left according to task killer...
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Welcome to the linux world.
Free RAM = wasted RAM
What's the point of having free/unused RAM?
Android will load in memory the apps you use so, when you start one, it will be already in memory so, it only take a sec. for you to start use it.
Android will close the less used apps to free RAM when you use an application.
By killing the apps you won't solve anything because:
1. they will be turned on again by the system => more battery used.
2. when you use them, they will have to be loaded in memory: more processing => more battery used.
Just use the task killer to kill an app when you really have to do it.
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is it worth it to have the task killer???
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My answer will be "No". I had the task killer in a very long time, but after unistalling it my mobile has better battery & performs better.
Oo thanx for the tips!! I'm a totally noob in android... Didn't know is so good... So much different from x1...
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Damn windows got me in bad habits lol
Gonna try running tomorrow without it.
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I have used Task Killer too when i have my X10 new but i realized that Task Killer dont make it better only more worse and since then i dont have used a Task Killer no more and my X10 is better than ever the Battery Life is good and its smooth and dont lags. Only use Task Killer when a Programm makes your Phone lag and dont close itself and stucks in the Background or you can reboot your Phone.
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Welcome to the linux world.
Free RAM = wasted RAM
What's the point of having free/unused RAM?
Android will load in memory the apps you use so, when you start one, it will be already in memory so, it only take a sec. for you to start use it.
Android will close the less used apps to free RAM when you use an application.
By killing the apps you won't solve anything because:
1. they will be turned on again by the system => more battery used.
2. when you use them, they will have to be loaded in memory: more processing => more battery used.
Just use the task killer to kill an app when you really have to do it.
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well said! i have been trying to explain this to my friends that have not experienced the linux world before...this is great
Thank you so much for these useful information! Since I have my X10, I've always had Task Killer running and let it kill task automatically without knowing that it can make my phone running out of battery! Many thanks!
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I disagree with some of the comments here. Advance Task Killer has helped me improve the battery life of my phone. The issue is to selectively kill apps that are running on the background for no apparent reason. For example, how many people use Moxier? If you don't use it, it should not be mucking around in the background using processor power.
After using ATK, my phone no longer re-starts from time to time. It used to do that when it ran out of RAM.
Normally, people are using Windows and get used to think that the system need free ram when they run new program and in order to keep their system runninh smoothly. So they think the same way when using any other operating system, that's included me.
And after reading all post in this thread, I'm starting to get confused: It is good with or without the task manager? Well, I uninstalled it for now to see if it's better than before or what. But firstly, I feel not comfortable seeing some programs that I don't like are running without doing anything to stop it! I think I might need the task manager in some cases like now.
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So it is better not to use atk?
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I disagree with some of the comments here. Advance Task Killer has helped me improve the battery life of my phone. The issue is to selectively kill apps that are running on the background for no apparent reason. For example, how many people use Moxier? If you don't use it, it should not be mucking around in the background using processor power.
After using ATK, my phone no longer re-starts from time to time. It used to do that when it ran out of RAM.
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There is no way your phone will reboot itself due to insufficient RAM.. Android manages it very nicely and if you notice your RAM will never go down below 30 MB no matter how many apps you are running in the background. I am currently running 37 applications without rebooting my phone. So that is/was not the reason for your phone rebooting itself. It might have caused due to some poorly coded apps and killing it might have solved the problem.
Now do not use task manager/killer. Android does that pretty nicely. And idle/cached apps take very little and almost negligible processing power.
iam on axura rom for captivate
my problem is that applications always run in background..i use advanced task killer to close those apps and again they start..whenever i open the advanced task killer i see them..actually some apps like dungeon hunter also running in background i dont understand why...can someone tell me how to take care of this problem???
Are you pressing the back button to close them when exiting or the home button?
smackdownn said:
iam on axura rom for captivate
my problem is that applications always run in background..i use advanced task killer to close those apps and again they start..whenever i open the advanced task killer i see them..actually some apps like dungeon hunter also running in background i dont understand why...can someone tell me how to take care of this problem???
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Looks like android "pre-fetches" most frequently used apps into memory for quick access when u use them. They are loaded into memory, but CPU is not used. They are just loaded and kept. What's the point in keeping RAM free when it can't speed up system. So upto some amount, I don't know to what level though, apps are loaded into memory. And if u notice, u'll find RAM free like about 70-80MB all the time. This is what atleast I have personally observed.
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Are you pressing the back button to close them when exiting or the home button?
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iam pressing the back button only please help me solve this problem..and always that damn gmail app is open i background also...it starts like evry 5 mins i think and stays there forever..
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Looks like android "pre-fetches" most frequently used apps into memory for quick access when u use them. They are loaded into memory, but CPU is not used. They are just loaded and kept. What's the point in keeping RAM free when it can't speed up system. So upto some amount, I don't know to what level though, apps are loaded into memory. And if u notice, u'll find RAM free like about 70-80MB all the time. This is what atleast I have personally observed.
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ok so is this common?? and also i dont understand why dungeon hunter is there in advanced task killer...it is not some email or sm chat application..i close it..it starts at random time..do u mean these programs are not actually running?
and hey does beautiful widgets take a lotta battery?
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ok so is this common?? and also i dont understand why dungeon hunter is there in advanced task killer...it is not some email or sm chat application..i close it..it starts at random time..do u mean these programs are not actually running?
and hey does beautiful widgets take a lotta battery?
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I don't think they are necessarily running. They are kept in memory so next time the application is needed it will open more quickly. It shouldn't use any battery or CPU, the term RAM means Random Access Memory, so apps kept in RAM can just be accessed randomly.
Same is the issue in Galaxy S (GT-I9000) as well... I always see 13-15 background applications running... Although i am using Task Killer, but still these apps start running in background... I think it drains battery as well... Any idea how can we prevent starting the background apps ?
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Just because you "see" an app in atk or another task manager does not mean it is doing anything.
Use spare parts, system panel, power tutor.....anything that shows CPU/network usage and you will see what is happening rather than killing things off which turns into an endless cycle reminiscent of a game of whack-a-mole.
People seem to be going crazy thinking they have to clear and keep ram free. android does a good job of managing it for you. When apps are loaded in ram it is nota bad thing. It is not slowing your phone down or sucking your battery. If you are critically low on ram (less then 40mbs or so) then it is a problem. Would you pull a key off of your keyboard just because you are not using it? Its not hurting anything by being there
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Hey everyone...
I'm running a cappy with CM nightly #104. I upgraded 2 days ago and everything was running well.
I installed Autokill memory optimizer to help keep things running smoothly. I set it to the aggressive preset and it worked fine for a day.
Today - out of the blue - nearly everything on my phone started 'force closing' email, gapps, apps when opeend, etc. Even autokill force closed after only being open for a second or two.
I uninstalled autokill and things seem to have returned to normal.
Did I miss something? I found a website that's a kind of guide for autokill. I like the program and think it should make things run more smoothly... but this was very strange.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
UPDATE: It started again with a few apps constantly closing (gapps, email). This time I uninstalled autorun manager and things went back to normal.
We'll see how it goes since I don't know of anything specific I did that would make that sort of thing happen.
Again, any advice greatly appreciated!
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Again, any advice greatly appreciated!
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The advice is NOT to use any task kill/auto kill app. They do more harm than useful, especially in newer Android OS.
Thanks... That's kind of annoying, but makes sense.
Is there a better way to optimize memory usage? I have apps that seem to lag more on the newer OS after a min or so of usage. (EX: words with friends)
I would suggest the supercharger v6 script in android general section. Worked wonders for me. Dlev5, talon.
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Thanks, I'll check it out!
Android keeps things in ram on purpose - to optimize switching between apps. The apps are not actually running; they do not actually use any cpu cycles, they're simply memory resident so the OS doesn't have to retrieve them off the flashrom chip each time you want to load something. The alternative (removing an app from ram each time you close it) will actually force Android to retrieve it from storage each time you want to run it, meaning it'll use more cpu cycles, increase loading times, and needlessly waste battery power.
Android also keeps a pool of minimum ram free that it needs to provide a smooth desktop environment. It'll automatically kill apps and services in a set order if it needs more ram for itself or a foreground app. Those task-killer apps have been hurting Android's performance since 1.6.
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The advice is NOT to use any task kill/auto kill app. They do more harm than useful, especially in newer Android OS.
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This.
theyurtingyeti said:
This time I uninstalled autorun manager and things went back to normal.
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Autorun manager is something I can't live without. You do have to be careful with it though.
Only use advanced mode. Basic mode is essentially a task killer.
Anti depressant perhaps?
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Anti depressant perhaps?
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Haha.... it feels like that sometimes.
Thanks to everyone for the responses. I've got some ideas of stuff to learn more about and at least I know how to reverse any damage I do
I like autostarts. Just be careful and you need to root first.
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