Advance task killer problem - XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps

I'm using advance task killer, when I kill everything when I start up I get about 200mb of ram... But after a while I see some programs I don't use but it show up in ATK... Like google maps, moixer mail... I didn't use any of them, y is it on n draining my ram??
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It is not ATK problem, it is Android problem, you can root your fone in order to uninstall unexpecting program.

is it worth it to have the task killer???

3vilhomer said:
I'm using advance task killer, when I kill everything when I start up I get about 200mb of ram... But after a while I see some programs I don't use but it show up in ATK... Like google maps, moixer mail... I didn't use any of them, y is it on n draining my ram??
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Hi, And welcome to android!
This is not at all a problem. Android just starts everything and keeps it in 'cache' form . They are not at all draining your RAM as the system manages which program will get how much RAM. Just stop using task Killers and your phone will rum a lot smoother..

Huh, isn't task killer suppose to help save ram?? Cause after all these programs auto running I get about 30mb of ram left according to task killer...
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Hi..the point real united was making is that you don't need to ' save' ram on android. Android manages the memory itself so will remove things which are cached in order to create any memory it needs.
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Oo dats awesome! Didn't know android can do dat... Windows mobile 6.5 is a total different think...
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3vilhomer said:
Huh, isn't task killer suppose to help save ram?? Cause after all these programs auto running I get about 30mb of ram left according to task killer...
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Welcome to the linux world.
Free RAM = wasted RAM
What's the point of having free/unused RAM?
Android will load in memory the apps you use so, when you start one, it will be already in memory so, it only take a sec. for you to start use it.
Android will close the less used apps to free RAM when you use an application.
By killing the apps you won't solve anything because:
1. they will be turned on again by the system => more battery used.
2. when you use them, they will have to be loaded in memory: more processing => more battery used.
Just use the task killer to kill an app when you really have to do it.

dexter26 said:
is it worth it to have the task killer???
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My answer will be "No". I had the task killer in a very long time, but after unistalling it my mobile has better battery & performs better.

Oo thanx for the tips!! I'm a totally noob in android... Didn't know is so good... So much different from x1...
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Damn windows got me in bad habits lol
Gonna try running tomorrow without it.
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I have used Task Killer too when i have my X10 new but i realized that Task Killer dont make it better only more worse and since then i dont have used a Task Killer no more and my X10 is better than ever the Battery Life is good and its smooth and dont lags. Only use Task Killer when a Programm makes your Phone lag and dont close itself and stucks in the Background or you can reboot your Phone.

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Welcome to the linux world.
Free RAM = wasted RAM
What's the point of having free/unused RAM?
Android will load in memory the apps you use so, when you start one, it will be already in memory so, it only take a sec. for you to start use it.
Android will close the less used apps to free RAM when you use an application.
By killing the apps you won't solve anything because:
1. they will be turned on again by the system => more battery used.
2. when you use them, they will have to be loaded in memory: more processing => more battery used.
Just use the task killer to kill an app when you really have to do it.
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well said! i have been trying to explain this to my friends that have not experienced the linux world before...this is great

Thank you so much for these useful information! Since I have my X10, I've always had Task Killer running and let it kill task automatically without knowing that it can make my phone running out of battery! Many thanks!
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I disagree with some of the comments here. Advance Task Killer has helped me improve the battery life of my phone. The issue is to selectively kill apps that are running on the background for no apparent reason. For example, how many people use Moxier? If you don't use it, it should not be mucking around in the background using processor power.
After using ATK, my phone no longer re-starts from time to time. It used to do that when it ran out of RAM.

Normally, people are using Windows and get used to think that the system need free ram when they run new program and in order to keep their system runninh smoothly. So they think the same way when using any other operating system, that's included me.
And after reading all post in this thread, I'm starting to get confused: It is good with or without the task manager? Well, I uninstalled it for now to see if it's better than before or what. But firstly, I feel not comfortable seeing some programs that I don't like are running without doing anything to stop it! I think I might need the task manager in some cases like now.
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So it is better not to use atk?
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visitador02 said:
I disagree with some of the comments here. Advance Task Killer has helped me improve the battery life of my phone. The issue is to selectively kill apps that are running on the background for no apparent reason. For example, how many people use Moxier? If you don't use it, it should not be mucking around in the background using processor power.
After using ATK, my phone no longer re-starts from time to time. It used to do that when it ran out of RAM.
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There is no way your phone will reboot itself due to insufficient RAM.. Android manages it very nicely and if you notice your RAM will never go down below 30 MB no matter how many apps you are running in the background. I am currently running 37 applications without rebooting my phone. So that is/was not the reason for your phone rebooting itself. It might have caused due to some poorly coded apps and killing it might have solved the problem.
Now do not use task manager/killer. Android does that pretty nicely. And idle/cached apps take very little and almost negligible processing power.

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Your Fav Task Manager?

There are 2 top task managing apps rite now
Task Killer by ReChild
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TasKiller free by Thibaut Nicolas.
wanted to know which one u guys prefer.
i liked the Task Killer by ReChild....as it is easier to use..and more intuitive.
Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
do some task managers cause programs to crash or stop working randomly?
my handcent and messaging were crashing
Nocturnal310 said:
There are 2 top task managing apps rite now
Task Killer by ReChild
and
TasKiller free by Thibaut Nicolas.
wanted to know which one u guys prefer.
i liked the Task Killer by ReChild....as it is easier to use..and more intuitive.
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I have task killer by ReChild aswell and no just go into the app and ignore the ones you dont to be killed.
Try System Panel (beta) it works well really well - search for it on the market.
I have tried Advanced Task Killer and for me the best is Task Manager, the one that has green droid on the icon and red circle with X inside it Altough, as time goes my RAM goes from 140 Mb to 80 or less, Im guessing that Timescape eats the memory as it updates because he is on my ignore list with few other programs.
Advance Task Manager is the best for my opinion...because my phone has 178 ram free now and has auto shutdown application and its more faster..
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im_iceman said:
Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
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I'm with you, every task manager ive tried either uses more battery than it saves or kills things that you really dont want it to.
If i need to kill something I now use the force stop option under applications in the settings. Astro also has a nice process manager that shows cpu usage and allows you to kill off individual processes.
pficrx said:
Advance Task Manager is the best for my opinion...because my phone has 178 ram free now and has auto shutdown application and its more faster..
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What is on your ignore list ? I have Nimbuzz, Messages, Timescape, Weather and Facebook and on fresh start I have 150 Mb but with time it gets to 80 Mb...there is no way that you can have 178 Mb whole day and that some services are working in background. Or am I doing something wrong ?
Cheers
why are you worried about how much free ram you have? Have you ever actually experienced a situation where an app complained about not having enough memory?
Why not just let android worry about using the free memory in the best way it can. If an App needs more memory Android can always dump some of the stuff that is not important anyway.
Try to use Advance Task Manager and tell me then how much free memory you have...
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TaskOS was really awesome, then there was this update and now it sucks
Task Managers are only needed by pseudo multitasking phones/OS's such as Windows.
Linux/Android take care of their own memory management and so do not need task killers, in fact on Android they do more harm than good as they kill processes that you really do want to be running or at least resident in memory. It will slow your phone down and drain power if Android needs to keep restarting it's monitoring processes (eg. battery monitor, clock, alarm etc...) because the user keeps killing it with a task manager.
Also, just because an application is resident in the kernel does not mean it is being used, using any resources, stealing any resources or memory from anything else. If a new application start and Android needs the memory, it will take it !
^ Yeah, I stopped using a task manager a few weeks ago, and think my battery life has actually improved since doing so.
+1
im_iceman said:
Not everyone will subscribe to what I'm about to say (type!) but.. I've stopped using task managers altogether now and I'm finding that the phone runs smoother and better without them... and it's using less battery too.
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Phantasm4489 said:
I'm with you, every task manager ive tried either uses more battery than it saves or kills things that you really dont want it to.
If i need to kill something I now use the force stop option under applications in the settings. Astro also has a nice process manager that shows cpu usage and allows you to kill off individual processes.
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yep.... Astro is cool.... and now the phone is much smoother and battery life has improved....
I have been using advanced task killer, but will look into some of the alternatives suggested here.
Even if a task manager doesn't improve performance, I can't do without one. I just gotta know what is running in the background.
P.S. Why is this forum such a PIA for new users?
Phantasm4489 said:
why are you worried about how much free ram you have? Have you ever actually experienced a situation where an app complained about not having enough memory?
Why not just let android worry about using the free memory in the best way it can. If an App needs more memory Android can always dump some of the stuff that is not important anyway.
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I think the main point is people are trying to work out ways of increasing their battery life.
Good topic.
well i use advanced task killer by rechild, i decided to leave it closed all day today and let tye os do its thing. while i agree android can easily allocate the ram, in just 5 hours without task kill my battery drained to 68%, normally itd be around 88%ish. so my vote goes to task kill for better batt life...
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X10 Have Built in Application running in background call Wiper App (com.qualcomm.wiper.apk)
Can any expert tell me is this file works as task-manager in the system?
Hi all.
Is there any app\way to use something like this:
When we access the normal 'task manager'\'view running apps' (if you press the middle button of X10), if we long press the app we want, have the option to kill it ?
Cheers!

Best task killer

I'm just wondering which task killers everyone likes the most and why. Share your opinions.
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I use advanced task manager. I like advanced task killer also, killer will automatically end tasks upon waking from sleep, manager will not.
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I agree, Advanced Task Killer is freakin awesome, especially to save battery life.
I have an icon on the home page and whenever I'm finished using the phone I click it and KILL KILL KILL!!
Advanced Task Killer...
I've been using ATK as well. I like the ability to switch between tasks with a long press. This is the best free program I've ever used on any platform. I would even go so far as to say this is a must for any android phone.
Really? How does it save battery? What settings are you guys using or setting to do this?
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andrew53517 said:
Really? How does it save battery? What settings are you guys using or setting to do this?
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Well, un-used programs that are running take up memory and when you kill them you get more memory hence less work for the battery. At least thats what I think.. RAM does use battery does it not?
Right I know that. But what settings are you guys using for ATK to make it save battery? Like are you having it kill tasks every 3 hours or hour? Or what are you doing?
UgXvibe said:
Well, un-used programs that are running take up memory and when you kill them you get more memory hence less work for the battery. At least thats what I think.. RAM does use battery does it not?
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Absolutely not. The ram is getting juice from the batter whether it is filled or not. You guys are just taking sugar pills if you think task killers do any good. The built in task killer is enough to kill those poorly written apps that go out of control.
Actually RAM bits must get their voltages refreshed every few milliseconds to retain their high high state if they are high. If the bits are low they require no refresh. As far as killing tasks, these programs running in the background not only consume memory, but CPU cycles as well thus drawing more power than if they were not running at all.
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I used ATK then i recently bought ATM. i kept ATK becuase there are some apps that ATM doesnt end for some reason. both are great though.
For me i got one just called task manager simple yet works perfectly it was a widget that tells how much ram im using and when its low i click it. its quite simple and easy to use i like it better then ATK
battery and app...
The fact that you have processes or apps running that you might not need running consumes processing power. It is the processor work that eats up power. Some apps are also using other resources like your GPS or wireless. That is why a task killer is important.
What kill level and security level are you guys using for ATK?
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tylerwagler said:
Actually RAM bits must get their voltages refreshed every few milliseconds to retain their high high state if they are high. If the bits are low they require no refresh.
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True, but Android is Linux based. It refills the ram right after you kill everything. It actually uses MORE power, because you waste the CPU cycles to clear everything, then the CPU loads the same apps back into RAM.
Remember, this isn't desktop ram. This stuff is designed for super low wattage.
tylerwagler said:
As far as killing tasks, these programs running in the background not only consume memory, but CPU cycles as well thus drawing more power than if they were not running at all.
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Android isn't actually running those programs. They're just stored in RAM. They aren't actively executing anything. The CPU is off when the phone is off (for the most part).
If your phone is lagging, its because you have some poorly written app running. Just figure out what it is and delete it. Android is perfectly capable of managing most well behaving tasks by itself.
tylerwagler said:
Actually RAM bits must get their voltages refreshed every few milliseconds to retain their high high state if they are high. If the bits are low they require no refresh. As far as killing tasks, these programs running in the background not only consume memory, but CPU cycles as well thus drawing more power than if they were not running at all.
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"Freeing" the ram by killing a program doesn't mean it will get set to zero. Most likely the OS just puts the used memory back into it's pool for allocation later and leaves the memory exactly as it is to save time.
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What kill level and security level are you guys using for ATK?
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Auto Kill Level = Aggressive
Security Level = Medium
I have found that you need to not kill the clock app if you want your alarm to go off...
toomie,
do you have a link for the task manager you use? there are several in the market...
tia,
jc
I've tried a few task killers but my favorite so far is Taskpanel X.
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Apps running in background

K... I'm new to android (from iPhone) and I just bought the mt4g... I downloaded the advanced task killer, but every time I "kill" the apps, there are 10 more running less than 5 seconds later... I've set my autokill to crazy, have an ignore list, etc... any thing else I can do to limit what crap runs without me opening the app myself?
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kevo817 said:
K... I'm new to android (from iPhone) and I just bought the mt4g... I downloaded the advanced task killer, but every time I "kill" the apps, there are 10 more running less than 5 seconds later... I've set my autokill to crazy, have an ignore list, etc... any thing else I can do to limit what crap runs without me opening the app myself?
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I believe you are not supposed to use task killers on Android because the system manages apps and when you stop them it messes up something. Here is a link: http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
Correct. There is no need for task killers with these phones.
Glad I asked... uninstalled it, guess I'll see how it goes
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Yes sir! Plus thats why we have such big ram size
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Wow I didn't know this, I just uninstalled my task manager.
myTouch4G (Glacier)
It can also hurt battery life as well. If you constantly force close applications the phone will boot them back up which puts strain on the processor and uses more battery life.
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Speaking from personal experience: once there's enough RAM in the phone, there's no need for external task killer or manager. Yes, it was necessary on the phones like G1 or original MyTouch with less then 1 year old OS. At this point, Android matured enough to handle everything on its own and it does beatiful job at it. I am almost at the point of getting MT4G, using wife's old Cliq at the moment. I can't believe how much difference extra RAM does, it never slows down for me on 2.1 de-blurred. Be extra careful downloading multiple apps though because if one misbehaves it will be hard to know which one.
Remember, free RAM is wasted ram, especially true with FroYo
You should still use a task killer, just don't use an autokiller. Let's say you use play a game, open browser, open music, open 3+ other cpu intensive apps..They will not close on there own, till the ram is "extremely low". Apps still use cpu when in b/g, like syncing apps like fb and twitter.
Task Killers
I don't see any reason not to have a task killer...without it, how would you know if there is a rogue app on your system? With a task killer installed, I was able to see what apps were loading at startup and then if I rarely use it, I blocked it with Startups. This has had a huge impact (for the better) on my battery life as well.
I agree not to setup the task killer to aggressively kill tasks, but if you use it to see what is happening on your phone, I don't see the harm in them at all.
don't you think a task killer would be built into android if Google intended us to manually kill tasks?
I have actually been going into the packages and disabling them via a terminal emulator. It was really easy and it seems to have prevented them from launching again.

Which Is the Best Task Killer?

What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
I like system panel it gives a lot more info about what apps are missing behaving. Watchdog is real useful also.
Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
Izkata said:
Task killers are a bad idea, because as soon as you kill them, Android starts loading them back into memory, which wastes battery.
There's a whole bunch of levels of memory usage for apps, and task killers generally group them all together. Most of those apps being "killed" aren't actually loaded - they're cached, memory that can be dropped at a moment's notice when something else needs it. And the cached apps will start right away, since they're already in memory.
With a task killer removing those from memory, now there's lag because it has to be re-loaded, plus general lag from Android re-caching some of them.
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He's not asking you if he should get a task killer he's asking for some names of task killers
Best and simplest is advanced task killer or ATK
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What has been the best task killer for anybody. Im posting this threads cause myself have been wondering, which of all of them in the market is the best 1 for a phone. As for me i have a mytouch slide, Not rooted 2.1update1. I have been using Advance task Killer Pro, n has been wrking fine. But for some reason now my battery has been draining. So can u all plz let me know another good task killers out there. Yes ive heard is bad by killing apps, but i jst dont never understood why. So let me know what you all use thank u, n appreciate it.
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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I Use Adv. Task Killer, Also I Never Really Have A Issue With The Battery, But If You Notice Sometimes, After Killing A App, It Comes Right Back.... At That Point, If You Have The Adv. Task Killer Version I'm Using (V1.0.0 Build1) You Will Also Have A Service Button, Where You Can Go To The App That Keeps Restarting, & Touch It To Force It Closed, After That Your Battery Life Should Be Great!!
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
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And this is why I had my previous post. torvick12 said he never understood why it's bad to kill apps, so I gave him a reason - and here's another person saying basically the same thing, just, without the why Android does what it does.
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But it still boots up though even if you force close it. I'm assuming at that point you are wasting battery trying to close it several times.
It Boots Back Up Sometimes, But Instead Of Long-Pressing On Whichever App It Is Restarting, Press The Service Button (In Adv.Task Killer App) That Should Shut It Down Once (Twice The Most) For Good!!
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i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
keatlck said:
i prefer autokiller. if root then the preset work like charm. if not then need manual killing the task at process tab.
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I Used Autokiller
I Also Have Autokiller Installed, But More Or Less Only Use The Presets, Mainly Cause I'm Not Sure What The Settings Are Spose Tah Get Set Too.
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moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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They aren't "running". They are loaded in memory for quick access to them. If something else needs that memory, the os will unload something from memory itself.
moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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You don't need to. Period.
Advanced Task Killer does the job for me.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Taskkillers are for new android users coming from Windows. Lol.
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task killer pro is what i use to use back on ver 2.1 and 2.0.1 but if you ever get onto froyo or Gingerbread it's best not to even use a task killer at all.
moharu said:
but i dont get this
so if u kill apps it wastes battery
then how do u get rid of the apps running
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If you're really interested, you can read lengthy technical writeups on how Android manages its apps.
If not, then you need to accept the fact that those apps are cached in memory and are not actively processing or using battery and there is no reason to kill them (unless they are acting up, in which case, I believe Eclair, but at least Froyo, and up have a built in task killing feature). That memory will be cleared when another app takes priority.
Think about this: your automated task killer is showing you only have 5% free memory! You kill those apps and you now have 95% free. WHAT GOOD IS THAT MEMORY IF IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYWAY? I reiterate, the memory would have been cleared regardless when another app took priority.
the android os. plain and simple

task killer

i have android assist and appcontrol as taskillers
all the apps i kill in about 10 sec they run again!!!
is there a task killer that kills them for good.. at least untill i run them and than he wont kill
i have around 40MB free of RAM which SUCKS and the HEAP i use is 48.
ROM - supeaosp with the new kernel netarchy i think
Try using advanced task killer. Works 4 me. But when u access wifi or 3g, some apps wake up instantly, so I don't think u can kill them 4 good. I have around 130 M free, but from what I know u don't have to kill them every 2 seconds, it is best for ram to stay loaded, the android os will find resources to unload and replace when neccesary.
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i use norton utilities, which also serves as my usage tracker. but yeh, as AtroX_cc said, there are apps that are persistent and its usually impossible to kill them for good unless you uninstall them. If you must absolutely keep all the apps, maybe try a different rom? i moved from cm7 to oxygen a few days ago and its a really lite rom
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i use norton utilities, which also serves as my usage tracker. but yeh, as AtroX_cc said, there are apps that are persistent and its usually impossible to kill them for good unless you uninstall them. If you must absolutely keep all the apps, maybe try a different rom? i moved from cm7 to oxygen a few days ago and its a really lite rom
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superaos supose to be very light...
yet i have only 30-60 Mb at most free ram... it effects the preformence... hate it..
Task killers ARE NOT NEEDED! You are actually HURTING the performance of your phone. Since froyo they basically became useless. Just trust that the OS knows what its doing. It will kill background processes to free up RAM when its needed. Unused RAM is wasted ram.
NYYFan325 said:
Task killers ARE NOT NEEDED! You are actually HURTING the performance of your phone. Since froyo they basically became useless. Just trust that the OS knows what its doing. It will kill background processes to free up RAM when its needed. Unused RAM is wasted ram.
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I was waiting for someone to say this!!
so what you mean is my app ruins my preformances?
how it happends??
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so what you mean is my app ruins my preformances?
how it happends??
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No. It doesn't. The apps you see are NOT running. Do some reading on how Linux and Android os work. Task killers are totally useless.
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