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After messing around with my Infuse on stock, custom Froyo and Gingerbread ROM's, I've noticed a pretty major difference between it and I9000-based phones like the Captivate: video performance.
On my Captivate, hardware-accelerated video playback up to 720p was rock solid. If it played at all, it always played smoothly, and this was regardless of running programs or RAM usage. With the Infuse, Froyo ROM's support hardware-accelerated video playback up to 1080p, but there seem to be some disadvantages.
The most major thing I noticed is that RAM usage affects video playback. If I use my phone for a while and allow the RAM to populate with background apps, I immediately run into issues trying to play video: high-bitrate 1080p video will no longer play. Instead, I just get a black screen and no sound. Additionally, several 720p videos I tested will lag heavily. Occasionally (using an app that supports both hardware and software playback like MX Video Player), playing a video will error out and force the app to switch to software decoding.
Clearing the RAM using the built-in task manager and restarting the video player immediately resolves these issues for the most part. There still are some effects that always persist though: certain 720p videos (which play perfectly on my Captivate) will still show some hints of lag using either hardware or software decoding. Additionally, I can't seek or resume playback of high-bitrate 1080p MKV's: the screen goes black and the sound stops playing. I can only play these files from the beginning for them to have video and sound.
Except for the issues specifically relating to 1080p (which don't apply to Gingerbread ROM's), all of these issues are observed and reproducible on any ROM, including stock Froyo, custom Froyo (Infused 1.6), Hellraiser + any I9000 JVQ ROM and Infused v2.2.3. This is severely disappointing, because I upgraded to the Infuse expecting a media experience equal to or improved over the Captivate with the SAMOLED+ screen. I also didn't want a Galaxy S2 because the Yamaha audio chip it uses is a dealbreaker for me.
While that was mostly a list of observations and a not-so-subtle rant, would anyone be able to offer an explanation for this? Or perhaps my case is somehow isolated? Can anyone else confirm this?
Edit: Here's a YouTube video showing the RAM usage playback issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPiCPSWUTCY
Never had any trouble with video playback. I have a couple of movies on mine. Running Infused 2.2.3
Truckerglenn said:
Never had any trouble with video playback. I have a couple of movies on mine. Running Infused 2.2.3
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I'm not sure what to think of that, considering Infused 2.2.3 doesn't even support 1080p playback. But even leaving that out, would you be willing to test sample videos? I mean I can't really explain this better without posting a video of a side-by-side comparison of my Captivate and Infuse playing the same set of videos to show that the Infuse lags on certain videos while the Captivate is smooth.
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I did some additional testing. Running Infused 1.6 Froyo, I loaded up every app on my phone and then minimized them with the home key. The phone was still running smoothly and there was no signs of lag, but the RAM was as full as I could make it. I then opened the stock video app and attempted to play my library of videos.
The result? Only 2 videos played. One was a 720p H.264 MKV encoded from a Bluray, and the other was the 1080p trailer that came preloaded on the phone. Both videos lagged heavily. The rest of the videos (lower quality 720p or higher bitrate 1080p H.264 MKV's) did not play at all: just a black screen and a seek bar that didn't move. I then performed a level 2 clear using the task manager. Result: all the videos played fine without lag.
Conclusion: video playback on the Infuse is definitely tied to RAM usage, which is NOT the case on the I9000/Captivate.
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Updated main post with YouTube video demonstration.
You need to **** off.
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if you have a drop box or want to upload the problem videos somewhere ill test it to verify the results. I don't have much of a library. especially not anything high quality.
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if you have a drop box or want to upload the problem videos somewhere ill test it to verify the results. I don't have much of a library. especially not anything high quality.
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Thanks. I'm working on it, I'll send you a PM in a bit.
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sorry to inform you but I had no issues with that video. I wonder if you may have something stuck in data somewhere (some apps keep data on the sd card) or If you may have bad blocks on your sdcard. I haven't rebooted my phone today and loaded up ram by playing flash videos in the phone browser getting ram all the way up to 340 mb used. 140 was the browser alone and I started that video just fine. ill keep testing but if I were you id back up the sd cards and wipe the phone through settings (does an internal sd format as well unlike the recovery wipe) after a flash with the unbrick and start over. if it persists id get a new phone and for the sake of being thorough I will test it more but so ar I couldn't reproduce the issues.
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sorry to inform you but I had no issues with that video. I wonder if you may have something stuck in data somewhere (some apps keep data on the sd card) or If you may have bad blocks on your sdcard. I haven't rebooted my phone today and loaded up ram by playing flash videos in the phone browser getting ram all the way up to 340 mb used. 140 was the browser alone and I started that video just fine. ill keep testing but if I were you id back up the sd cards and wipe the phone through settings (does an internal sd format as well unlike the recovery wipe) after a flash with the unbrick and start over. if it persists id get a new phone and for the sake of being thorough I will test it more but so ar I couldn't reproduce the issues.
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I'm going to return to stock using Unbrick and reformat the internal SD and try again. I don't see why there would be bad blocks though. I'm guessing the video plays smoothly without any sort of lag or hitches for you?
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I'm going to return to stock using Unbrick and reformat the internal SD and try again. I don't see why there would be bad blocks though. I'm guessing the video plays smoothly without any sort of lag or hitches for you?
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smooth as butter. sometimes weird hard to explain stuff happens. I can't explain it.
I can see how a kernel issue in gb could cause it with rogers lame firmware but I don't see the issue with infused 1.6 so it doesn't seem to be an infuse specific issue at all.
Ok, I just finished completely resetting, reflashing and reformatting my phone. On first boot, I threw that exact file I sent you back onto the memory and tried to play it. Still got a black screen with no sound or video. Opened the task manager, performed a level 2 clear and tried again. Video plays but still lags and hitches every few seconds. I mean, if I'm really the only one with this issue...???
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Ok, I just finished completely resetting, reflashing and reformatting my phone. On first boot, I threw that exact file I sent you back onto the memory and tried to play it. Still got a black screen with no sound or video. Opened the task manager, performed a level 2 clear and tried again. Video plays but still lags and hitches every few seconds. I mean, if I'm really the only one with this issue...???
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sorry looks that way. but you should have only moved the videos back for testing. i know it shouldnt matter but computers are weird. maybe it's a deficientcy in your cpu? could only apply to the gpu inside it. you just never know. if you can reproduce the error with the trailers that come on the phone and compare it to a store model maybe they'll swap it out for you. if not call customer service and raise hell or send it to samsung.
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sorry looks that way. but you should have only moved the videos back for testing. i know it shouldnt matter but computers are weird. maybe it's a deficientcy in your cpu? could only apply to the gpu inside it. you just never know. if you can reproduce the error with the trailers that come on the phone and compare it to a store model maybe they'll swap it out for you. if not call customer service and raise hell or send it to samsung.
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What do you mean only move the videos back for testing? I didn't put anything on the phone except for that video file. The CPU doesn't seem to be the issue, because I tested against my Captivate using CPU Spy: both phones run at 400MHz during video playback, which is good enough for lag-free video on the Captivate (and should be the same case for the Infuse).
I can't get much to happen with the trailers that came with the phone, because only one is HD and it's a small file with black bars and a lower bitrate than most encodes. If I leave the phone running for over a day with the memory full, I can get the 1080p trailer to lag, but that's not very helpful for getting an exchange (especially since I got my phone at Costco and there are no active models in the store).
But that's not the issue anyway. The problem is that I've been enjoying 720p video on my Captivate for over a year. Now I've upgraded to the Infuse, which is supposed to have even better video performance and its having issues with all of my 720p and 1080p videos.
I'm almost positive this isn't a hardware issue though. Are you sure the entire opening sequence of that video is smooth on your phone? It doesn't seem like you've ever seen the video before watching it on your phone. If you haven't, please watch the video side-by-side on your computer and phone and look for any differences.
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What do you mean only move the videos back for testing? I didn't put anything on the phone except for that video file. The CPU doesn't seem to be the issue, because I tested against my Captivate using CPU Spy: both phones run at 400MHz during video playback, which is good enough for lag-free video on the Captivate (and should be the same case for the Infuse).
I can't get much to happen with the trailers that came with the phone, because only one is HD and it's a small file with black bars and a lower bitrate than most encodes. If I leave the phone running for over a day with the memory full, I can get the 1080p trailer to lag, but that's not very helpful for getting an exchange (especially since I got my phone at Costco and there are no active models in the store).
But that's not the issue anyway. The problem is that I've been enjoying 720p video on my Captivate for over a year. Now I've upgraded to the Infuse, which is supposed to have even better video performance and its having issues with all of my 720p and 1080p videos.
I'm almost positive this isn't a hardware issue though. Are you sure the entire opening sequence of that video is smooth on your phone? It doesn't seem like you've ever seen the video before watching it on your phone. If you haven't, please watch the video side-by-side on your computer and phone and look for any differences.
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i meant not to restore all the files from the sd card backup when you test. just the files you want to test.
it is extremely smooth i cant seem to do anything to make it not smooth. i even bogged my phone down sequencially opening every app on the thing and returning home with the home button till it started lagging badly but when i open the video player it is butter smooth. really i cant explain your issues, im just speculating possibilities.
but ill try it on my computer as well.
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i meant not to restore all the files from the sd card backup when you test. just the files you want to test.
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I only restored one file. The video. Nothing else.
Edit: Can you tell me the build number of your Infuse (the 4-digit number under the battery, between S/N and SKU)? Mine is 1104.
oh wait there it is. the video player just stopped working.
not sure what changed but i put it on the dock and tried starting it again and no dice. i dont think this is ram related.
the issue for me is intermittent at best though. after a reboot it didnt play at first but 2 minutes later it was fine.
mine is also an 1104. april 2011 that's weird i wonder if you got a refurb. i think i picked mine up launch week.
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oh wait there it is. the video player just stopped working.
not sure what changed but i put it on the dock and tried starting it again and no dice. i dont think this is ram related.
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Hmm, I wonder if that's unrelated to the issue considering how easily it happens on my phone and how much trouble you had to go through. If the video still doesn't lag on your phone at all (when you compare it to a computer), then I'll assume you're not getting the same issue. Also, are you using the kernel that came with Infused 1.6, or did you flash another one?
infused as is right now. nothing oddball here. atleast not right now. i have used some init.d scripts on it for loopy smoothness and memory managment mods but this time it is only the rom as gtg released it with the included kernel.
ok found the issue sorta. i cant tell what causes it but if you launch the video from my files or other file manager it works fine. if you open it from video player it doesn't. the video didnt show in my video player at first so i opened it from my files. after that it was in the video list in the video player and didnt work. there is something odd going on here because video player doesnt show in recent apps if you open it from the file manager. also after opening the video player it doesnt work from my files till you kill the video player. it is just weirdness. there is some messed up programming going on here. but try killing the player and opening the file with file manager. and yes i made sure it is using the samsung video player when it asked!
sorry i asked you to wipe your phone for that but if you dont do that and use the unbrick you can see all sorts of issues and no one is sure why.
Maybe that's why mine play fine. I've never loaded a vid into the player. Just opened them bygoing to the gallery.
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infused as is right now. nothing oddball here. atleast not right now. i have used some init.d scripts on it for loopy smoothness and memory managment mods but this time it is only the rom as gtg released it with the included kernel.
ok found the issue sorta. i cant tell what causes it but if you launch the video from my files or other file manager it works fine. if you open it from video player it doesn't. the video didnt show in my video player at first so i opened it from my files. after that it was in the video list in the video player and didnt work. there is something odd going on here because video player doesnt show in recent apps if you open it from the file manager. also after opening the video player it doesnt work from my files till you kill the video player. it is just weirdness. there is some messed up programming going on here. but try killing the player and opening the file with file manager. and yes i made sure it is using the samsung video player when it asked!
sorry i asked you to wipe your phone for that but if you dont do that and use the unbrick you can see all sorts of issues and no one is sure why.
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That's an unexpected development. I've always been opening my videos from the video player, never from a file manager. How about other video players? Did you try MX Video Player? I need to use that player for my videos to see the subtitles (the video I sent you has subtitles that will display in MX Video Player and mVideoPlayer, but the former is better at displaying them).
Edit: Actually, I just tried playing the video from both the stock file manager and the Gallery app, and I still have the exact same issues as the video app :/
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That's an unexpected development. I've always been opening my videos from the video player, never from a file manager. How about other video players? Did you try MX Video Player? I need to use that player for my videos to see the subtitles (the video I sent you has subtitles that will display in MX Video Player and mVideoPlayer, but the former is better at displaying them).
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is it free?
Anyone know how to add thumbnails for movies you put in the gallery? I used DVD Catalyst to convert some movies (awesome application by the way totally worth it if youre looking for how to put movies on virtually any device). Only problem is unless I use THEIR gallery and add a picture with same name as the movie, it wont display a thumbnail - using their gallery clogs my own gallery with pictures and movies that are black, and they leave a border around the movie that isnt black - annoying. *sigh*
Anyone else have luck?
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Anyone know how to add thumbnails for movies you put in the gallery? I used DVD Catalyst to convert some movies (awesome application by the way totally worth it if youre looking for how to put movies on virtually any device). Only problem is unless I use THEIR gallery and add a picture with same name as the movie, it wont display a thumbnail - using their gallery clogs my own gallery with pictures and movies that are black, and they leave a border around the movie that isnt black - annoying. *sigh*
Anyone else have luck?
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Hi Spartacus,
Thank you for using DVD Catalyst,
I created the player-app because there wasn't anything else out there that would let you use your own cover images for your video files. Before the 3.1 update on HC, you could create a folder, put a video file in it and then an image file, and it would display it in the Gallery app, but Google broke that with the 3.1 update, so I made the app. I still haven't seen anything else that works in a similar way.
I have been working on an update for it all week, and after I read your post, I did make some changes regarding the images, so the next update will have them not show up in Gallery.
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Hi Spartacus,
Thank you for using DVD Catalyst,
I created the player-app because there wasn't anything else out there that would let you use your own cover images for your video files. Before the 3.1 update on HC, you could create a folder, put a video file in it and then an image file, and it would display it in the Gallery app, but Google broke that with the 3.1 update, so I made the app. I still haven't seen anything else that works in a similar way.
I have been working on an update for it all week, and after I read your post, I did make some changes regarding the images, so the next update will have them not show up in Gallery.
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Thanks, looking forward to the update. I know myself and a lot of others still want a way to add thumbnails for movies in the gallery.
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Thanks, looking forward to the update. I know myself and a lot of others still want a way to add thumbnails for movies in the gallery.
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Same here, but with that being a gripe since the beginning of Android, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. Because the idea behind it is so simple and obvious, I was expecting someone to come up with it, but since that never happened, I figured I'd give it a shot.
Hi All. Just got the Note 10.1 and loving it so far.
However, for some reason, I can't get any avi or mp4 to play. These are files that play perfectly well on my Galaxy Tab 7", SGS2 and SGS3 but refuse to play on the Note. I've tried a few other players and they refuse to play the files as well.
Any thoughts, hints or tips?
Cheers
I had a similar issue with my optimus 2x files did not play only sound can try changing hardware accelaration settings. May be the way the video is encoded it is not compatible with note codecs
You clearly haven't tried BSplayer. It's like a real vlc for android!
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You clearly haven't tried BSplayer. It's like a real vlc for android!
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Unfortunately, BS Player didn't work either! All I get is Blue notification box with a warning triangle saying
Cannot play video
Sorry this video cannot be played.
Forgot to mention that the Heli vid plays fine.
Also, I am Stock out of the box flavour of Android.
MX Player works for me. Anything I throw at it. If it doesn't, just change codec to software from hardware.
And there IS a VLC for android btw...
How are you transferring the videos to the device?
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How are you transferring the videos to the device?
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Copying files onto files on micro SD card and inserting it. Tried copying files onto internal SD but this didn't make any difference.
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MX Player works for me. Anything I throw at it. If it doesn't, just change codec to software from hardware.
And there IS a VLC for android btw...
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Same thing with MXP.
Really has got me stumped
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Hi All. Just got the Note 10.1 and loving it so far.
However, for some reason, I can't get any avi or mp4 to play. These are files that play perfectly well on my Galaxy Tab 7", SGS2 and SGS3 but refuse to play on the Note. I've tried a few other players and they refuse to play the files as well.
Any thoughts, hints or tips?
Cheers
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this is weird, my Note 10.1 plays anything I have and Im using the built in video player. Can you you PM me a description of a file of what you are trying to play so I can test it ?
Dont post a torrent link here.
Try turning off the force GPU rendering setting?
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this is weird, my Note 10.1 plays anything I have and Im using the built in video player. Can you you PM me a description of a file of what you are trying to play so I can test it ?
Dont post a torrent link here.
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I know, never had this problem with any of my Samsung devices before. PM sent.
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I know, never had this problem with any of my Samsung devices before. PM sent.
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I just watched the movie you told me to try and everything is fine. I used the stock player btw.
Sounds like it might be a warranty job.... Most people I know had it up and running out of the box with no problems....
If this was a hardware issue we should see the videos playing using software acceleration in diceplayer, bs player and others. The fact that these videos wont play at all on this device suggest some soft of software / codec issue. You say they play fine on other Samsung devices, i'd try a full ROM reinstall first before doing anything else.
Even if this is a software problem it shouldn't be this much trouble to get your tablet working. I'd still take it back under warranty as the codecs should be preloaded...
You haven't mentioned if you have rooted or whether you are on a cooked ROM, if so taking it back as a first step might be more hassle. I'd still recommend a total factory wipe before taking it back.
If you can record video on your tablet and play it back it would suggest to me there is nothing wrong with the hardware which is why I believe a factory reset should resolve it.
Can you record and playback?
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I went back to basics and eliminated everything hardware wise that might have caused the problems. I then had the brainwave of sticking my micro SD card from my SG3 into the Note and lo and behold, I could play videos with no problems at all! So I re-formatted the card in my PC (originally I had formatted it in the Note) and stuck an AVI on the newly formatted card. This played perfectly :laugh:
I hadn't thought it was the SD card as I could play MP3s from it with no problems at all, just wouldn't play videos.
Once again, many thanks for taking the time to help me with this problem.
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I have a related problem.
I'm transferring MP4 videos from Windows 7 PC - Micro SD card in adaptor in the card slot on PC.
It will let me transfer about 5 and play them ok. Then it transfers the films, but gives the "Sorry cannot play this video" error message. When I look at the details of these none players, the resolution says 0x0 and the duration reads 00.00.
I have tried this on a Samsung 32gb disc formatted on the Note, and long format on a laptop running Vista. I've also tried a 16gb sd card. Same results every time.
Having read the thread, I tried recording video on the GN 10, it recorded and plays back ok.
Any suggestions would be welcome! I also hope this thread is still alive lol.
Hello there!
I've been searching the forums (mainly this one) and wasn't able to find a proper answer, so here I go:
I am REALLY happy with this phablet, being the Mate 7 my 5tht android phone, but I've never had any video playback problems: When I try to play a 720p mp4 file, it freezes at 1:00 (5 seconds more or less) or it stops and the system shows a popup: "Cannot play this video".
I've tried MX Player (HW and SW decoding), VLC and VLC beta, stock video player and MoboPlayer. Every one of them behaves the same way.
Also tried lower resolution files, and 360p aren't a problem for them: It plays them flawlessly. Played them from SD card and internal storage.
Btw, Youtube plays 1080p videos without a problem, and I usually watch short Twitch.tv sessions at highest resolution.
I don't know what else I can do, and I am seriously thinking about returning the unit, since it's one of my main uses (and that's why I just LOVE this screen).
Any help is appreciated and, also, any question regarding this problem.
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Btw, I am on 5.1.1 with EMUI 3.1 (build B324), unrooted.
Have you tried a factory reset? This would mostly fix issued like this. I'm running the same version of Android on the mt7-tl10 gold version and have never had an issue with this. In fact I'm currently happily re-watching Star Wars episodes 1 to 6 in 720p.
It sounds like the videos are being corrupted (correct me if I'm wrong), because that's exactly what happens when I try to play a video which torrent hasn't finished downloading.
Good luck!
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Have you tried a factory reset? This would mostly fix issued like this. I'm running the same version of Android on the mt7-tl10 gold version and have never had an issue with this. In fact I'm currently happily re-watching Star Wars episodes 1 to 6 in 720p.
It sounds like the videos are being corrupted (correct me if I'm wrong), because that's exactly what happens when I try to play a video which torrent hasn't finished downloading.
Good luck!
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Thanks for your reply.
Today I've discovered my SD card was having read issues, and even when I formatted it, it had issues with anything beyond 20MB, regardless being video or audio. Also, when i copied anything from the SD to the main memory, it kept having the same problems: mp3 suddenly stopped and videos couldn't be played.
So I extracted the SD, did a factory reset, and it looks like it's working flawlessly (fingers crossed).
So far, so good.
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Thanks for your reply.
Today I've discovered my SD card was having read issues, and even when I formatted it, it had issues with anything beyond 20MB, regardless being video or audio. Also, when i copied anything from the SD to the main memory, it kept having the same problems: mp3 suddenly stopped and videos couldn't be played.
So I extracted the SD, did a factory reset, and it looks like it's working flawlessly (fingers crossed).
So far, so good.
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I'm glad I could be of some help!
I had the same issue with a previous device of mine, though the culprit had been a cheap and nasty MSD card I bought on vacation to squeeze extra photos in. I find that investing in proper storage (and taking the punch cost-wise) can go a long way, whether it be for your phone, PC, laptop or whatever.
Cheers! :highfive:
[SM-J320FN -- Samsung Galaxy J3 [6] 2016 8GB, LTE cat4, 1.5GHz Quad Core, 126.3mm (5.0") HD sAMOLED - 8MP AF + 5MP]
So this is really weird? A brand new (very annoying) issue that has very suddenly started happening to SOME (only a very small percentage) of video's that I download directly from YouTube using SaveFrom.Net Helper 7:53:2. I download my favourite video's fine, onto my laptop (Packard Bell). No problem! I save the video's into a file on my desktop. I then plug in my phone into the laptop using the lead. I then drag and transfer the Fave Video's to the inbuilt "Samsung Video's" folder that is on the phone. (The icon that comes with the phone pre-installed [if anyone remembers] for the "Videos" app is a purple square, with a white triangle in the middle, and fake "film sprocket holes" running down right & left hand side to imitate a film strip)...
Been doing this for two years. No problem!
Anyway suddenly --after like 2 days on my phone -- some of the videos, (not many, but still some), (on my phone) will very suddenly AUTOMATICALLY MIRROR its identical counterpart still on YouTube!! So in other words, if YouTube REMOVE THE SOUND from a video, (due to copyright issues) and only leave the picture, (but no sound), then MY PERSONAL video, (on my Micro SD Card) will ALSO become mute at the exact same moment! (even though its been ON my phone for a day or two). There seems to be some kind of "remote connection" between my phones Micro SD card, and YouTube, even though I have privately downloaded the film clip, and even if I re-name it to something else!! The sound will disappear!
First time it happened I thought "how did hell did that happen because I have SAFELY downloaded it from YouTube, and that is NOW MY COPY!! To put on my SD card and keep forever!! And now its suddenly gone!?!?!? Why is it mute???" -- I checked YouTube only to find that the "Live" youtube version had also been muted!!! So i thought - "Oh my God they are infiltrating my phone somehow??"
It appears that YouTube KNOW exactly what you have downloaded; and if they find a copyright problem with the video, they somehow KNOW to automatically infiltrate your phone/micro SD card, and MIRROR/CHANGE/AMEND your (supposedly safety copy) to being useless!!
I live in the UK. And YouTube UK is much hotter on copyright protection than in the US especially with The Warner Archive Collection films. (i.e classic MGM titles.) For example some video's on YouTube can STILL be watched with full sound in America -- but that VERY SAME vid in the UK, has had the sound removed. Its these vids that I am referring to.
Anyone else had this issue? What is the fix?? To stop it happening again?
Thanks Guys.