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Email from Samsung Support re: GPS fix and FROYO 2.2

I recieved this email from Samsung USA Support in regard to my questions on the GPS fix and the FROYO 2.2 update yesterday 9/14/2010: GPS fix soon... nada on the FROYO
Dear Gary,
Samsung continues to listen to customer feedback on GPS performance expectations on launched Galaxy S devices. We are currently testing software updates which will optimize GPS performance. We expect to be able to make the updates available this September and will communicate more information and download instructions in the next few weeks. Unfortunately, we are unable to speculate when/if this software FROYO 2.2 might be available due to the fact that this might lead to inaccurate information and confusion.
Should this become available, it will be posted on our website in the Samsung Download Center.
Should you desire additional assistance resolving this, we invite you to call Samsung Customer Support by phone at our toll free number 1-888-987-4357 between the hours 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturday, Central Standard Time.
We appreciate your understanding in this matter.
Sincerely,
Technical Support

i like the "when/if" and "should this become available"....thats promising

buddy17 said:
i like the "when/if" and "should this become available"....thats promising
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That makes me really sad

To be honest though, i'm pretty happy with the phone as is. Froyo is more a topping for me than the ice cream.

Samsung general support
that's it, that's exactly why i'm not buying anything else (phone) from Samsung. their software support is terrible, they give you a super phone and after that they forget about you. Once I bought their flagship of that time - innov8, and I was glad I got rid of it, their firmware support afterwards was miserable.

Hopefully the Galaxy S firmware and kernel will work on our phones.

I don't think we can really "rely" on any of the manufacturers to push these updates with any speed. For me, and I think for a lot of people, one of the main reasons I went with the Capy and the Android platform, was because of the great Devs here, and their ability to get things out faster, and without all of the restrictions found in the mfg's updates.
In my opinion, we can't take what they said too seriously regarding Froyo. We all know they will release Froyo.
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with Eclair, and aside from the ability to load apps onto SD, I doubt there will be any noticeable difference between 2.1 and 2.2
just my 2 cents
Edit; Maybe the "IF" means that Samsung will pass over Froyo and is developing Gingerbread instead. Would you dump a ton of money into an OS that will be "obsolete" within the next few months? I wouldn't

thrubovc said:
that's it, that's exactly why i'm not buying anything else (phone) from Samsung. their software support is terrible, they give you a super phone and after that they forget about you. Once I bought their flagship of that time - innov8, and I was glad I got rid of it, their firmware support afterwards was miserable.
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What is so bad about your captivate software besides the GPS issues, I must ask?
I have been using the original JF6 firmware since launch and have not had any other problems rather than a browser hiccup here and there.
As soon as your rooted and have enabled side-loading your good to go.
I really havent had the urge to flash other ROMs because I am getting everything I want out of this one. (And that is coming from someone that used to flash winmo roms every other week)

I think the phone itself is great and really have no problems with it. The GPS I can live with until the update, though it does bum me out. However, I got this phone for two reasons.. 1) to sync with Linux (my default desktop operating system) and 2) because it said it was compatible with my enterprise email.. the latter is false. Until Froyo (apparently) I'm locked out of my calendar. That's a huge problem for me and borderline false advertising if you ask me. I'll be patient through Sept to see if they deliver since that date keeps getting thrown out. I hope they don't disappoint!
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shawn.ferris said:
2) because it said it was compatible with my enterprise email.. the latter is false. Until Froyo (apparently) I'm locked out of my calendar. That's a huge problem for me and borderline false advertising if you ask me. I'll be patient through Sept to see if they deliver since that date keeps getting thrown out. I hope they don't disappoint!
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I have no problem sync calendar with my coporate exchange server. The only sync problem I have is sync with Hotmail contacts (doesn't sync) but Microsoft does say it is a known issue for Android 2.1.

I don't think samsung will poss over group for gingerbread. for one it has been promised after froyo was passed up on, was it the moment?
also I know a samsung engineer, he works with the cdma phones and doesn't know the schedule for the cappy and vibrant but quoted that they are working around the clock to get the froyo updates released and there wouldn't be an unusually long wait. he also says that he can't give information that's not officially released so I'm not gonna bug him any more on that.
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Froyo is really important to me. Google likes to make a lot of their new cool stuff (Voice Actions and Chrome-to-Phone, for example) for 2.2 only. I bought this phone so I could be on the cutting edge of geekdom (subject to the limitation that I'm stuck with AT&T). I won't be happy until I can play with all the latest toys.

kangi26 said:
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with Eclair, and aside from the ability to load apps onto SD, I doubt there will be any noticeable difference between 2.1 and 2.2
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You mean besides the huge speed increase?
The people who have actually tested and benchmarked 2.2 paint a very different picture than your assumptions. The speed improvements are very significant, which will go a long way to addressing the Captivate's other big issue (besides the faulty GPS): lag.

sremick said:
You mean besides the huge speed increase?
The people who have actually tested and benchmarked 2.2 paint a very different picture than your assumptions. The speed improvements are very significant, which will go a long way to addressing the Captivate's other big issue (besides the faulty GPS): lag.
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I'm not saying that 2.2 is not faster than 2.1, my assumption, is, put a Captivate running 2.1 and one running(when it's available) 2.2, and I suspect that most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference performance wise.
I dont put alot of faith in benchmarks. Just for example, I ran Quadrant on my Cappy, pulled a 866, installed the lag fix, I'm now running over 2000, I cant see ANY difference at all, everything opens just as quickly as it did before the lag fix

2.2 In general is faster... but not the sami betas... they r slower as they have not gotten jit working.
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That's also my observation. Benchmark scores often mean nothing and very misleading. I have a Moto Droid before I got my captivate. After I upgraded the Moto Droid to 2.2 (a couple of weeks ago), I see absolutely no difference performance wise. My friend is also using Moto Droid and said the same thing.
kangi26 said:
I'm not saying that 2.2 is not faster than 2.1, my assumption, is, put a Captivate running 2.1 and one running(when it's available) 2.2, and I suspect that most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference performance wise.
I dont put alot of faith in benchmarks. Just for example, I ran Quadrant on my Cappy, pulled a 866, installed the lag fix, I'm now running over 2000, I cant see ANY difference at all, everything opens just as quickly as it did before the lag fix
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I'm waiting on flash thats the main reason I bought a cap.
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This is ridiculous...

Anyone still on 2.1 is officially obsolete. Google has released a ton of new features for froyo and gingerbread users. Including google instant, new gmail app, and other things.
Which leaves 2.1 users with old software never to be upgraded again.
I still haven't flashed (due to warranty issues) but even if I did I would be upset because it still is based on buggy pre-release software.
Based on the epic 4g leak the froyo should be version 2.2.1 so new roms would be 2.2.1 instead of buggy 2.2
Why doesn't samsung care about their customers!

Yea, I share your sentiments. I tried most of the 2.2 leak ROMs, but most had troubles. The list of apps that don't work on 2.1 and below is growing. I wonder if Google Maps 5 will be the same way.

I really thinking about just buying an unlocked nexus s but then i realize its still samsung!!!
I returned a samsung tv i bought for my family for christmas because they suck so much ;D

The more I read about this (and the GPS malfunction), the more I think that when my Captivate arrives tomorrow I may just take it into an AT$T store and demand a refund and contract cancellation.

What we need is a Samsung Customer Service number we can start calling to voice our opinions. Any have a good Samsung number for this or a similar purpose?

Yes more than half of android devices are "obsolete"...

Return it? Because your too lazy to flash your phone with functional software instead of the junk Samsung and att gave us? I've been rocking the beta cm 6.1 for quite awhile and blows the doors off any 2.1 variant that was out there.....and as far as voiding your warranty its almost impossible to brick these phones so its completely easy to flash back to an out of the box state. So quit whining. This is what makes android so great. Take a phone with amazing hardware with crappy software and put amazing software on it
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For one, I'm not lazy or whining. I shouldn't have to flash my phone to get basic functionality out of it. The GPS should work without my having to invest in searching through a myriad of unauthorized solutions and risk not only voiding my warranty, but bricking my phone. If I wanted to put this much effort into making a phone work I would have stuck with WinMo 6.5 and my Tilt 2, which I know inside and out already. I moved to Android hoping I'd no longer have to spend so much time dicking around with my phone just to get things to work. You know, the whole "Droid Does" marketing ploy? The main reason I agreed to buy this phone was because I read on several different sites where Samsung said they were definitely going to update it to Froyo. I understand that their timetable may be off, but they should at least keep their promise. Is that too much to ask or expect?

Samsung promised Froyo by the end of the year for the US Market. They still have a 20 days. Their stance has not changed, so I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
As for GPS mine works as good as the one on my Bravo - my Tracks, Turn by Turn are the same. If your GPS has problems, take it back. If you try multiple phones and still have a problem, then make them switch you to another phone.

everyone knows they won't make the end of december date

It's not that I don't want to try custom ROMs. However, all the custom ROMs are built on leaked (and often buggy) Froyo ROMs. The sooner AT&T releases an official release Froyo ROM, the sooner we can get a stable (or more stable) custom Froyo ROM....hopefully they release the source code too. There's code in the custom ROMs that comes from all sorts of other ROMs lol

Ditto^^^ Well, according to Mr. Smalls, we're just lazy, whiny jerks with no valid excuse for not wanting to use a custom ROM on our phones.

emuneee said:
It's not that I don't want to try custom ROMs. However, all the custom ROMs are built on leaked (and often buggy) Froyo ROMs. The sooner AT&T releases an official release Froyo ROM, the sooner we can get a stable (or more stable) custom Froyo ROM....hopefully they release the source code too. There's code in the custom ROMs that comes from all sorts of other ROMs lol
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try axura.. VERY stable, fast, practical rom with good themes. its a work of art. been rocking it with very minimal issue (less issues compared to stock).

Miami_Son said:
For one, I'm not lazy or whining. I shouldn't have to flash my phone to get basic functionality out of it. The GPS should work without my having to invest in searching through a myriad of unauthorized solutions and risk not only voiding my warranty, but bricking my phone. If I wanted to put this much effort into making a phone work I would have stuck with WinMo 6.5 and my Tilt 2, which I know inside and out already. I moved to Android hoping I'd no longer have to spend so much time dicking around with my phone just to get things to work. You know, the whole "Droid Does" marketing ploy? The main reason I agreed to buy this phone was because I read on several different sites where Samsung said they were definitely going to update it to Froyo. I understand that their timetable may be off, but they should at least keep their promise. Is that too much to ask or expect?
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Am I correct that you don't even have your device as you're typing that?! Try it first..a lot of the stuff you read isn't what you will experience. I.E.: my gps has worked a charm since I picked mine up in mid October..it's an excellent device. I've had a Samsung DLP for more than 2 years and it works flawlessly. People like to rant..find out for yourself for chrissake. It's nice to be happy with a cell device for the first time in awhile for me..only complaint is att dragging heels on 2.2. I'm too busy and old (55) to have the energy to do all that stuff that many do..but it's also nice to know that if I get tired of waiting and get a wild hair, I'll root and flash when I'm good and ready. Meantime I think the Captivate is a great companion

From what I've heard, I think that it might be the carriers that are delaying the update. Don't know if this is true or not but I kinda doubt this is Samsung's fault.

@fldude, Thanks for the encouragement. I used to love fiddling with my WinMo phones and I enjoyed modding my Tilt 2 to where it runs great and does (almost) all I ask of it. I'd still be using it if WinMo wasn't a dead platform and the thing wasn't so laggy. That saidI was hoping the switch to Android would mean I finallly would have a phone that I could tinker with if I wanted to, but didn't HAVE to, like WinMo. I guess reading through these forums exposes one mostly to the negative since most people only post when having problems. I brushed most of it aside, but the GPS issue really stood out because I use GPS-enabled apps a lot and it works so well on my Tilt 2. I can't wait for the Cap to get here tomorrow so I can start playing with it. Thanks to running XDAndroid on my Tilt 2 I already have some idea of what to expect and how to use it.
I will say this, reading about rooting and flashing of Android, kernel this and apk that is a lot more intimidating than working with WinMo. I never hesitated to edit my registry, but modding Android sounds pretty scary.
By the way, does fl mean you're a fellow H-D rider?

alphadog00 said:
Samsung promised Froyo by the end of the year for the US Market. They still have a 20 days. Their stance has not changed, so I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
As for GPS mine works as good as the one on my Bravo - my Tracks, Turn by Turn are the same. If your GPS has problems, take it back. If you try multiple phones and still have a problem, then make them switch you to another phone.
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They were previously quoted saying by the end of November. There was that whole JH7 fiasco. And your argument doesn't change what he was saying. His whole point was that he shouldn't have to **** around to make it work. It just should.

david717;971 His whole point was that he shouldn't have to **** around to make it work. It just should.[/QUOTE said:
Ummm, I'm stock, never rooted, make phone calls, email, navigate with gps, surf the web, play games, usw.. How is this not a working phone? By my calculations this phone does "just work" and has since I pulled it out of its box in July.
I too am waiting for, now, v2.2.1...
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Before I bought mine I knee of the GPS issues and swwvthat a fix was coming. It still is. Besides the GPS my phone just works. Texting browsing g music video all just worked email too. Running the froyo leak my phone now completely 100% percent works. I'm excited to see how much more stable the official release will be.
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Also Frustrated
I have been following the forums regarding the so called Froyo release and I have to say that I am rather frustrated as well. I actually called AT&T last week to complain about the delay with Froyo with Gingerbread's release within a few weeks. Not to mention Honeycomb on the horizon.
In speaking with one of the techs he also shared his frustrations and was hoping that it would be released in early January. I told him that it was understood that it would be release at the end of the year and he confirmed that same understanding. However his sources revealed that it is now for early January. Let's hope this is true, but as you all know we have been given so many empty promises.
Furthermore,I read an article that Samsung is undecided whether to release Gingerbread for the Galaxy devices. For a product that has been so popular and successful, what are they thinking? Or maybe they are not!!
Either way my fingers and toes are crossed for Froyo for now...

Who needs froyo?

After a month of a stock captivate, my first android (was a crackberry addict), I rooted it then the next day installed my first ROM Firefly 1.5. I loved it, worked great with very few bugs then two days later I updated to 2.0.5 and have been running it for three days, it's even better. Once I got over the fact I could make a plastic brick I have started having fun, next up for a flash is Serendipity.
So with all these great hot rod ROM's why would I even want stock froyo?
Thank you XDA.

U are right I was running darky's 8.0.1
nani17

Ya at this point I don't really care.the only thing will be better source for the roms. I used to love perception and cognition but I have found my battery is loads better with firefly
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I think for most people it's two main things. First, all of our current ROMs are using source from a different phone. Some are other Captivates from other parts of the world or they use the I9000 as a base. I think alot of people would like to be able to use our own Captivate source to start from.
The second, and really the biggest issue for me, is that it simply hasn't been released yet. At this point I definately would NOT update to it but the fact that Samsung and AT&T haven't bothered to release Froyo really Pi$$es me off. I paid alot of money for this phone. I'd like to see some support for it. Especially since this "was" their flagship phone.

But did you buy the phone solely for the release of froyo? I bought the phone for what it was, like I have bought every phone, not for updates down the road that I didn't know about. After coming from Blackberry I love being able to play with anything and everything I want. Although if ATT does release froyo to us will it be that much different than what was released in Canada? Will any future ROM's have a better starting point?

Wraith04 said:
But did you buy the phone solely for the release of froyo? I bought the phone for what it was, like I have bought every phone, not for updates down the road that I didn't know about. After coming from Blackberry I love being able to play with anything and everything I want. Although if ATT does release froyo to us will it be that much different than what was released in Canada? Will any future ROM's have a better starting point?
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Quite frankly yes, my thinking they would quickly upgrade to Froyo was a big motivator to buy the Captivate. Certainly not the only reason but it was a consideration. Remember, when this was released they were teling us September to November for Froyo, all unofficial of course.
I'm more upset about the lack of support. They have a major issue, the GPS, that they haven't fixed with ANY update. They've had a phone out for 7+ months and they haven't released and update for 5 months.
Again, at this point I don't particularly care. But it will definately be something I consider when I upgrade my phone next time.

Same Here. I got the captivate just because of Super AMOLED screen and Froyo. FROYO is the minimum requirement to have Skype working in Galaxy S device. I guess I would just stick to the iOS device because it supports two Bluetooth headsets, keyboards, Skype video call, very intuitive copy and paste including the web format and pictures. ANDROID still has a lot to catch up.
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Did I buy it for Froyo? No. BUT a big reason I did choose it over othrr options is that soon it would have the ability to run flash. Guess what. It still doesn't. When my contract expires I'll be saying farewell to ATT & Samsung.
I settled for the best ATT had since they chose to invest in Windows Mobile and iPhone while ignoring Android and the rest of the family was still under contract. I paid new phone prices and ended up with a used phone when mine wouldn't stay turned on. Traded a phone that wouldn't stay on for one that the GPS doesn't work. Been jerked around by BOTH companies while trying to get the trouble fixed. In the mean time I got locked into a contract. I've been with ATT since they bought out Cingular here, and had Cingular because they had the best coverage. But coverage is meaningless if the phone doesn't work. I'll move to Verizon and it has nothing to do with the iPhone.
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Is Verizon any better though? I've been with Cingular/ATT for 10+ years and have had very few problems but had thought about switching to Verizon which seems like the only other viable network but ATT coverage has been great in Texas. I guess what I'm really saying is that anything beats a Blackberry Curve.

What todo?
Is Verizon any better though? If Verizon expects to sell >25,000,000 iphones in 2011, IMO stay with AT&T I got my first AT&T phone in 1983

I can agree to a point. Alot of users say we need the source. But i bet maybe a handfull of "devs" know what to do with it lol.
Just my opnion though.

I didn't buy my Captivate specifically for 2.2 but now that I have it on there it is quite an improvement. I have never put a custom rom on it so I can't compare to those but it is faster than 2.1 was.
If I never got the update I don't think I would be all that upset though because the cappy is a huge upgrade from my old htc Dream on 1.6. Also I never really had lag and my gps would always lock in 2.1 so it wasnt the huge upgrade for me that it would be for others.
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Coming from 10+ yrs of Nokia and symbian...my wishlist would be an unlocked, unbranded android device so we don't have to rely on the operator...The Captivate is the first subsidized device I've bought in a long time and probably the last. I'm not interested in flashing a custom rom on a subsidized phone. Hopefully there will be some availability in the near future of just a plain jane unlocked unbranded android phone and screw the operators of the world.

I have fun flashing custom roms............but...........my phone dont like them. I could be talking on the phone and all of a sudden I get a weird noise and the call drops. I tried numerous roms, kernals, and modems and they all do it. I wouldnt mind 2.1 if the data was faster and there was a mobile ap like the custom roms have.

mi04se1 said:
I have fun flashing custom roms............but...........my phone dont like them. I could be talking on the phone and all of a sudden I get a weird noise and the call drops. I tried numerous roms, kernals, and modems and they all do it. I wouldnt mind 2.1 if the data was faster and there was a mobile ap like the custom roms have.
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There's apps that support tethering for stock builds, as far as data goes, dl speeds should be comparable to customer roms, uploads speeds is where you see the difference if you're using HSUPA. Try forcing 850 or 1900 bands using SGS tools.
As as needing Froyo, meh!
I guess having the source is good but how much better is it really going to be? There are lots of stable/fast builds already off of official i9000 roms. I'm sooo over Froyo. Where's Gingerbread

mi04se1 said:
I have fun flashing custom roms............but...........my phone dont like them. I could be talking on the phone and all of a sudden I get a weird noise and the call drops. I tried numerous roms, kernals, and modems and they all do it. I wouldnt mind 2.1 if the data was faster and there was a mobile ap like the custom roms have.
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What's the big deal with mobile AP? I used a Nokia device on Symbian for years with Joiku hotspot and used it occasionally at best. Granted it worked fine when needed, but it would amount to about 1 day/year with all the wifi out there nowadays

rob989_69 said:
Quite frankly yes, my thinking they would quickly upgrade to Froyo was a big motivator to buy the Captivate. Certainly not the only reason but it was a consideration. Remember, when this was released they were teling us September to November for Froyo, all unofficial of course.
I'm more upset about the lack of support. They have a major issue, the GPS, that they haven't fixed with ANY update. They've had a phone out for 7+ months and they haven't released and update for 5 months.
Again, at this point I don't particularly care. But it will definately be something I consider when I upgrade my phone next time.
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Samsung did release GPSRestore in the market to "fix" the GPS issue, but it only restores the settings and doesn't correct the software issue. Nonetheless it is an attempted "fix".
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Gingerbread for Galaxy S soon? :S

So uhh, i dont know if anyone has seen this.. but here you go
http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-imminent-20110225/
It looks like a legit release for 2.3 for Galaxy S. If thats the case, how hard would it be to port it from that to the captivate?
and a march release
Oh and btw... dont flame me if its wrong or anything.. im just a guy posting something he found... which may help out the community -.-

supaphreek said:
So uhh, i dont know if anyone has seen this.. but here you go
http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-imminent-20110225/
It looks like a legit release for 2.3 for Galaxy S. If thats the case, how hard would it be to port it from that to the captivate?
and a march release
Oh and btw... dont flame me if its wrong or anything.. im just a guy posting something he found... which may help out the community -.-
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I think this has been posted a couple of times (can't remember, but I know I've seen it around the web a couple of times). Either way, right now it's a "friend of a friend said this" type thing. Until there is some proof myself and many others will remain skeptical.
Another issue is that the Galaxy S phones are much more popular in other parts of the world. With Samsung trying to charge all the carriers upgrade fees like they did with 2.2, causing a lot of the delays, the carriers may not be interested in upgrading the phone to 2.3 even if Samsung has it ready. Especially since we're going to see the SGS 2 and multiple other newer and better phones out by then. The Captivate and other SGS phones will be low end phones by then, and the carriers probably won't want to pay Samsung for updates to an old phone.

oh man! so theres the possibility of never seeing a legit 2.3? :S i guess il have to live with CM7.

ANY custom rom will be better than the rom its based off of.
WHO CAN?
XDA CAN!!

AJerman said:
Another issue is that the Galaxy S phones are much more popular in other parts of the world. With Samsung trying to charge all the carriers upgrade fees like they did with 2.2, causing a lot of the delays, the carriers may not be interested in upgrading the phone to 2.3 even if Samsung has it ready. Especially since we're going to see the SGS 2 and multiple other newer and better phones out by then. The Captivate and other SGS phones will be low end phones by then, and the carriers probably won't want to pay Samsung for updates to an old phone.
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This "issue" was debunked a long time ago.

Miami_Son said:
This "issue" was debunked a long time ago.
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Was it? I hadn't heard that, but I didn't pay that much attention to the AT&T release of 2.2 since I've been running 2.2 for months.
Either way, even if it doesn't come to a money issue, it's still going to come down to the same issue. The SGS 2 will have replaced the SGS by the time Samsung would have Gingerbread ready, and I wouldn't doubt at all if this phone never saw another update. It was hard enough to get 2.2 out of Samsung when this phone was their flagship, let along getting them to push one more update when it's replacement is already ready.
Edit: Just read an article about that, you're right. I hadn't seen Samsung's reply to that rumor. I guess that just makes Samsung lazy and not lazy and greedy, haha.

Miami_Son said:
This "issue" was debunked a long time ago.
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It was debunked by Samsung denying it, which means it wasnt really debunked.
I wouldn't expect them to be public about such things....you can have a "price to prioritize" or something which is essentially the same thing but allows you to say you aren't charging for the upgrade.
I'm not saying I know what's going on, I'm just saying I don't trust Samsung at their word.
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AJerman said:
I guess that just makes Samsung lazy and not lazy and greedy, haha.[/i]
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Why do you assume it was samsung that held back the update? It was more than likely ATT, being that other providers had already released the update.
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fatttire said:
It was debunked by Samsung denying it, which means it wasnt really debunked.
I wouldn't expect them to be public about such things....you can have a "price to prioritize" or something which is essentially the same thing but allows you to say you aren't charging for the upgrade.
I'm not saying I know what's going on, I'm just saying I don't trust Samsung at their word.
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Pretty sure there would be some sort of outcry from carriers if Samsung was lying. There would probably be more legal ramifications if Samsung lied about not charging for updates rather than some bad publicity about charging for the updates.

shust82 said:
Why do you assume it was samsung that held back the update? It was more than likely ATT, being that other providers had already released the update.
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Samsung did its part in holding up the update by not wanting to pay the fee the service providers were charging. Same goes with all carriers that were way behind on the 2.2 update.

I'll be skipping it. I had problems with the 2.2 update and just flashed my first ROM. So much faster and the battery lasts a ton longer

Trusselo said:
ANY custom rom will be better than the rom its based off of.
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You're stating the obvious. Why would anyone modify a ROM to make to inferior to the original? It would be nice if there were an original 2.3 to base something on.

opcow said:
You're stating the obvious. Why would anyone modify a ROM to make to inferior to the original? It would be nice if there were an original 2.3 to base something on.
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he means custom source-built rom.

a.vandelay said:
he means custom source-built rom.
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No what he is doing is his usual routine of taking a dump on any post where someone mentions being interested in Samsung firmware releases, because he thinks what is already out via third-parties is all anyone with a brain should want. And yet the AT&T Froyo release resulted in, in my opinion, the best ROM yet from DesignGears.

opcow said:
No what he is doing is his usual routine of taking a dump on any post where someone mentions being interested in Samsung firmware releases, because he thinks what is already out via third-parties is all anyone with a brain should want. And yet the AT&T Froyo release resulted in, in my opinion, the best ROM yet from DesignGears.
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you obviously haven't tried any 2.2.1 i9000 roms then... Because they blow the doors off any official froyo rom from samsuck. I tried cog 4 and torch and it lagged beyond belief, no offense to dg, but its samsucks fault.

davwman said:
you obviously haven't tried any 2.2.1 i9000 roms then... Because they blow the doors off any official froyo rom from samsuck. I tried cog 4 and torch and it lagged beyond belief, no offense to dg, but its samsucks fault.
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I was running the official Rogers 2.2. and it was better than the official 2.1 that I played around with for a few days first to compare. However, putting Firefly 2.3 (and Andromeda 1.2 before that) I can certainly confirm that the custom rom route is definitely the way to go. MUCH faster (lagfix probably has huge impact on this) far more functional (rooted) better battery consumption (custom kernels) and IMO far better support. I can tell you I fully expect that XDA and the like would provide far superior peer based support than you'd get from your provider. Of course chances are if you weren't putting custom stuff on your phone you'd be far less likely to need it, but the collective knowledge here for general support of devices is far more impressive than some tech support drone that you'd speak to if you called in to you provider.

shust82 said:
Why do you assume it was samsung that held back the update? It was more than likely ATT, being that other providers had already released the update.
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Let's be honest, this phone could have come with 2.2 on it already when it shipped. Samsung took quite a while to get 2.2 ready even for the I9000s. There are always going to be carriers delays after it's ready, but Samsung took their time as well.

AJerman said:
Let's be honest, this phone could have come with 2.2 on it already when it shipped. Samsung took quite a while to get 2.2 ready even for the I9000s. There are always going to be carriers delays after it's ready, but Samsung took their time as well.
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Froyo was announced less than 2 months before this phone shipped. The source wasn't available until less than a month before. I see no problem with shipping with 2.1 under these circumstances.

davwman said:
you obviously haven't tried any 2.2.1 i9000 roms then... Because they blow the doors off any official froyo rom from samsuck. I tried cog 4 and torch and it lagged beyond belief, no offense to dg, but its samsucks fault.
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I've used 2.2.1 ROMs and they are great. If I recall Serendipity is one and it was my favorite prior to Andromeda (which is 2.2 i9010 based and very fast). Cog 4.1 is the first of DGs ROM I've used for more than a day in months; I haven't been a huge fan. As soon as i9000 kernels became mostly trouble free I moved on. I'm not saying the others were bad and I'm not saying 4.1 is better than brand x, I just like it better than previous DG ROMs I tried.
As for your lag problems with Cog 4.1, I don't doubt you, I just don't have it, but I'm using the Paragon kernel which may account for our different experiences.

Disappointed

Can't believe that now the Thunderbolt AND the LG Revolution are going to have Gingerbread and we're still left in the dust. WTF Verizon!?!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...rbread-update-should-start-rolling-out-today/

So flash a custom ROM, what's the problem??
~John

jmorton10 said:
So flash a custom ROM, what's the problem??
~John
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+1
With the amount of roms that are out, no need to get your panties in a bunch over what other oems are pushing out.
Keep supporting out devs with donations and they will continue to bring forth great roms and tweaks

spc_hicks09 said:
Can't believe that now the Thunderbolt AND the LG Revolution are going to have Gingerbread and we're still left in the dust. WTF Verizon!?!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...rbread-update-should-start-rolling-out-today/
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Thunderbolt was released two months before the Charge, and I believe the Revolution was released around the same time as the Charge. So naturally the Thunderbolt update would be released before the Charge update. Actually the Thunderbolt already had one release that was pulled a day or two later because of problems. So based on the phone release timeline, this makes sense. We're basically next in line. We're not getting screwed or cheated. Yes, it's taken a long time, but that's big red for you.

We shouldn't have to flash a custom rom to get gingerbread. We currently have the best phone on verizon's lineup (most people can agree the bionic is garbage) and its the last phone stuck on froyo. Unacceptable.

Sleek69 said:
We shouldn't have to flash a custom rom to get gingerbread. We currently have the best phone on verizon's lineup (most people can agree the bionic is garbage) and its the last phone stuck on froyo. Unacceptable.
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I know I know, had the bionic for 3 days before taking that **** back to vw. Best phone they offer.
Not trying to put out your frustrations but look at it this way. The way that technology is, Samsung (and all other OEM manufactures) are loosing money updating their current devices.
Technology is changing so fast that most companies have almost all their devs working on future devices. In the company I work for, the most senior devs work on future projects because they are trusted with their work. While the junior devs work on or updating last years crap.

jmorton10 said:
So flash a custom ROM, what's the problem??
~John
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The problem is that we should have it already. The Thunderbolt came out before the Charge so naturally it would get updated before us. But the Revolution came out after the Charge and now its getting updated. Its just frustrating that our "flagship" device is getting skipped over (for right now).
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Flashing a Rom is NOT a solution. I'm sorry but I hate when people say this. A phone as new as the charge should have official updates. This and having crappy phones or basicly the same.phone coming out 2 months later is what's killing Android.

Turb0wned said:
Flashing a Rom is NOT a solution. I'm sorry but I hate when people say this. A phone as new as the charge should have official updates. This and having crappy phones or basicly the same.phone coming out 2 months later is what's killing Android.
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+1,000,000

Don't get me wrong I want GB as well, but what functionality and features are all of you missing by not having GB? I am assuming we are only talking OTA here. Also LG will be quicker to release because they have a lot less phones to support...

rand4ll said:
Don't get me wrong I want GB as well, but what functionality and features are all of you missing by not having GB? I am assuming we are only talking OTA here. Also LG will be quicker to release because they have a lot less phones to support...
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It's not about features, it's about simply getting the updates that we should be getting while phones like the Revolution and even way older phones are getting the GB update. For all we know, the OTA could be better than the ROMs (complete sarcasm here). Still, it's just frustrating to not be "officially" updated.

spc_hicks09 said:
It's not about features, it's about simply getting the updates that we should be getting while phones like the Revolution and even way older phones are getting the GB update. For all we know, the OTA could be better than the ROMs (complete sarcasm here). Still, it's just frustrating to not be "officially" updated.
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So it's simply the version number it displays? Otherwise you would not really know since there is no features you are specifically needing or just wanting but lacking?

rand4ll said:
So it's simply the version number it displays? Otherwise you would not really know since there is no features you are specifically needing or just wanting but lacking?
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Nevermind, you obviously have no idea what I'm saying.
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spc_hicks09 said:
Nevermind, you obviously have no idea what I'm saying.
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Heh, the level of complacency among some Android users is staggering isn't it? Only on Android can you buy a "flagship" handset that not only ships with an outdated OS (froyo), but won't be eligible for an official update announced within ~six months of the device's release (ICS).
To anyone who thinks it isn't an issue: Google wouldn't be trying to fix it if it weren't a problem.

vash1053 said:
Heh, the level of complacency among some Android users is staggering isn't it? Only on Android can you buy a "flagship" handset that not only ships with an outdated OS (froyo), but won't be eligible for an official update announced within ~six months of the device's release (ICS).
To anyone who thinks it isn't an issue: Google wouldn't be trying to fix it if it weren't a problem.
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And, Google is trying to fix it, but when any other new business management steps in to fix a problem. They focus all their resource's into preventative measures for future products. It take a major crisis for them to reach back to a product already behind the curve, and spend any real resources.
I am also disappointed that they are not paying attention to the first lte phone to keep debugging the new network. I think that big red's to blame, for their are many, with bad data problems.
I also think that we should have had another OTA update, but most app's functionality has been ported thru to 2.2 SO, I think an official udate to GB is going to be a long time coming.
ICS! That a long wait for a train ain't comin'!

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So it's simply the version number it displays? Otherwise you would not really know since there is no features you are specifically needing or just wanting but lacking?
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since you're a flasher as well, you should be the one really clamoring for it so we get some source code action for our few remaining devs.

BleedsOrangeandBlue said:
since you're a flasher as well, you should be the one really clamoring for it so we get some source code action for our few remaining devs.
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if the galaxy nexus comes out before the charge gets a gingerbread release, I don't think devs are going to invest much effort into the charge and will be busy working on the nexus!
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why do we need an OTA GB? Because ICS.

BleedsOrangeandBlue said:
since you're a flasher as well, you should be the one really clamoring for it so we get some source code action for our few remaining devs.
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Oh I can't wait until it does drop. The kernels that will come available will blown away what we have now even though they are no slouch either. However I do not feel entitled to an upgrade either. Back when I had dumb phones I never EXPECTED more than what the phone came with. I do see that the ecosystem around smartphones is a different animal but also am a developer for a fortune 200 financial services company. Based on my experience in the IT industry and dealing with business partners and their reasoning behind funding this and not funding that, and seeing actual numbers I can totally see the justification behind updates for already released phones not being a priority, even if I don't like it, it's the reality of the situation.

official GB probably comes in 2 months, it goes according to verizon's speed on releasing GB.
This is my experience of the Droid 2 not getting GB until August this year.