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[Q] Watching Videos?!

hi, anyone watch movies and that on thier phone? just wondering what the optimum video size would be to get a good picture and make it less flickery! and the best programs to use to convert the size of the movie?
Cheers
Hon

anyone?? surely someone must know??

Streaming or stored video files, basically you can use the same parameters and the same tools. I describe streaming only.
Use VLC to stream the video via Wifi or Edge to your phone.
An excellent client is Coreplayer (only 20 bucks)
On VLC set transcoding params like this:
video codec: mpeg4 (alternatively you could use h264)
video bitrate: 300-400kbs (wifi) ; 100-200kbs (edge)
resolution 320x240
audio codec: mp3
audio bitrate: 48-64kbs
container: ts (transport stream)
VLC can stream everything including live TV from TV/Sat cards and also from settop boxes.
If you wonna play files from memstick transcode your videos to files with the wifi parameters.

i used TCPMP with my vox oc'd to 252mhz
it can play most videos stored on my mSD (tv. eps and things of that sort) without having to convert
if i do need to convert, just make sure it's at 320x240

sorry i didnt specify, it is stored movies. cheers

A friend is considering this phone as an upgrade and I'm also interested in finding out about how good video playback on this phone works. Can you install freeware codec packs to support DivX, Xvid and all the other common formats on it like you can with the bigger PDA-style phones? Is its CPU speed enough for it to decode the videos without stutter? Is its built-in player good enough or would I need a third-party app?

I tried it. I think the optimum is Divx or Mpeg4, 320*240 and 512 kbit/s with 44 khz stereo audio. It can be played more than 100 % speed. (TCPMP benchmark).

manveruppd said:
A friend is considering this phone as an upgrade and I'm also interested in finding out about how good video playback on this phone works. Can you install freeware codec packs to support DivX, Xvid and all the other common formats on it like you can with the bigger PDA-style phones? Is its CPU speed enough for it to decode the videos without stutter? Is its built-in player good enough or would I need a third-party app?
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Depends. If you don't use H/264 / AVC, then, it'll work just great. With AVC, you'll need to stick to CorePlayer and not even then will you 100% frame rate with higher bit rates / resolutions.

I did a tutorial on this
search for "Video Recoding Tutorial - Video Settings" in this forum

Bets video performance and quality.

Diamond users! Frst I wanted to make a long research thread about the possibilities of video conversion and optimals formats. Instead I'm just gonna tell you which programs work and which video formats are best for my diamond 2 (freshly flashed!)
Use FormatFactory for conversion (google it, it's free!)
You can convert any filefrom any place (iso's and DVD's included) to any other format and setting you want. Good thing is that it's very user friendly and easy to use, and you can insert your own options. Convert any videofile by selecting it, use the options to set it's framarate, screensize and codec, and convert it.
Use Coreplayer 1.2.5 build 4506 (it's the only one that works on my diamond 2, and it's not free)
Or WMPlayer (comes with the phone, but less options and compatibility with file formats)
Here's some pointers on conversion settings without much quality loss.
-In FormatFactory use the "convert to mp4" option. Select any file you want (also from dvd, which gives you some neat options like inserting subtitles and choosing audio language). I've tested mp4 divx and mp4 xvid codecs, as well as AVI and WMV. The last two are bigger in size, and the AVI files run veeeery slow on your phone in coreplayer. WMPlayer doesn't support AVI. I haven't tried MPG conversion, because it is usualy larger in filesize, and the MP4 encoding worked a charm for me, good quality, 18 to 21 frames (human eye can see 21 tops) and small filesize.
-Under settings, you can do whatever you want, just be sure to change the screen size (you can type your desired size) to 800x480, which is widescreen for diamond 2 (largest)
Choose the Xvid Encoder (Divx lags more and is a bit larger. tested on 20 meg DVD rip files, divx came out 13,5 megs in size while Xvid came out 11,2 megs. for any type and size of video the difference in size after conversion is up to 20%!) The H.264 encoder sucks, because coreplayer won't be able to play it smoothly (almost not at all!).
-You can choose to alter the bitrate settings for either video or audio, but I suggest you shrink em down, since my tests resulted in no recognizable loss of quality for extremely different settings. I had a hi-res file with 1600 bitrate and 24 frames p/s, and a lo-res file running only 786 bitrate and 20 frames p/s. No noticeable difference for me, and the size and running of the file was way better than the higher one. My optimal settings thus are:
-800x480 (Resolution)
-786 (Bitrate)
-20 (frames per second)
For audio I didn't change anything, since it is already set quite low, except for the bitrate, which you could preferably set to 22050 if you want to save a small amount of megs on your storage for a full movie. but 44100 and 48000 are fine too, doesn't differ much in quality audio anyway.
Now all you have to to is press okay in the options screen, and "start" on the mainscreen where the videofile has now appeared, ready to be converted. you might wanna set an output directory for your videofile, but that speaks for itself....
Tell me what you think of the settings and program, and tell me if you found any other (better) settings for running video on diamond 2.
Good luck!
Link to FormatFactory (FREE!)
http://www.formatoz.com/download.html

download SUPER !
it's really super
Converst superfast to any device...
then watch with CorePlayer !
I got about 30 hours ov video in superb quality on my phone for my little boy
you know the complete disney / pixar stack opf video's
I copnverted everything with SUPER

hello flexikon,
800x480 fits pretty strange on WMPlayer (i keep the phone on the side not straight up) tbh 480x272 fits better on the screen but looks worst - what would be a good resolution to use for WMPlayer ??
or should i select 16.9 convertion for 800x480 ??
thx

I've seen other discussions about this. It's probably the landscaping that screws up your resoltution. since i have no direct link to other topics and the google search for the forums is out, you gonna have to locate the topic yourself, but it's about mp4 encoding and it makes this thread pretty much useless, since better options are available through there....

What format to convert video to?

I use handbrake at home to convert videos, but at the moment it seems to be a bit hit and miss when it comes to working it on the Nexus.
I've installed Meridian and Video Player from the market, both read videos the same way.
So I converted 5 videos with no problem, they were relatively short. But when I did a longer conversion (dvd which was 1hr 30) it just didn't like it. Plays on my PC fine.
I cant remember which settings I used, so can anyone recommend what settings to use in handbrake? Or is there better software to convert movies with? Or is there a better media player on the market?

mp4 with h264. If I remember right there is still an iPod profile. The newer version did away with a lot of the profiles but that one should be around. With this screen you do not need to scale down the image but it would help for space.
When I get home I can post more detailed settings if need be.

I'm using Allok Mpeg4 converter at 720x480

i found using handbrake that h.264 doesn't work on the nexus, but the regular mp4 codec does

xtop said:
i found using handbrake that h.264 doesn't work on the nexus, but the regular mp4 codec does
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Not to be anal but mp4 is a container format (like ogg), not a codec (like vorbis). MPEG-4 part 2 is the "default" visual codec component. In reality it is not anymore. H.264 is also part of the MPEG-4 specification, MPEG-4 part 10 to be precise. In handbrake H.264 is the default for the mp4 container.
I am certain that h.264 can work on the N1. I have a few time wasters I keep on my phone. The more operative question is whether the current handbrake ripping to m4v works for the N1. I am reripping a film right now using the iPhone profile....
And using the iPhone & iPod Touch preset in Handbrake 0.9.4 the rip worked fine. Which preset did you use? Keep in mind some of the higher h.264 profiles might not work on the phone.
Personally I would probably up the picture settings to match the N1's resolution and maybe bump the quality down if worried about space. I was able to play a h.264 set to high settings but I am not sure what the exact settings were. It appears the N1 can handle most, if not all, h.264 profiles.

ive done this, works perfectly with 720p mkv's
HANDBRAKE:
set vid profile to normal,
container: MP4 800 x 480 ,, check the keep aspect ratio, anamorphic off, bitrate 1500
audio AAC, 44.1khz, bitrate 96 stereo
save profile, load file
your jaw is gonna drop if you use these settings and encode a 720p mkv

kscasper13 said:
ive done this, works perfectly with 720p mkv's
HANDBRAKE:
set vid profile to normal,
container: MP4 800 x 480 ,, check the keep aspect ratio, anamorphic off, bitrate 1500
audio AAC, 44.1khz, bitrate 96 stereo
save profile, load file
your jaw is gonna drop if you use these settings and encode a 720p mkv
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Thanks for the info, gonna try it right now

Just so you have optoins I use Handbrake, just converted American Pie The naked Mile from DVD and it looks good. Here's my settings:
Container: MP4 File
Picture Tab: Set Anamorphic to None
Select Keep Aspect Ratio. It should auto scale the hight to proper hight
Video Tab: Video Codec to MPEG-4
Average Bit Rate to 700. You can use previously recommended 1500 but this will make a large file and I'm not sure you will see the difference in
quality on out small screens.
Audio Tab: Leave everything default accept the Samplerate set to 44.1
Click Start!!!!

kscasper13 said:
ive done this, works perfectly with 720p mkv's
HANDBRAKE:
set vid profile to normal,
container: MP4 800 x 480 ,, check the keep aspect ratio, anamorphic off, bitrate 1500
audio AAC, 44.1khz, bitrate 96 stereo
save profile, load file
your jaw is gonna drop if you use these settings and encode a 720p mkv
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800x480 with aspect ratio might aswel be 720x480
and the bitrate, as setzer said wont make to big of a difference on a small screen. 768-1024 are fine. 1500 appears to be a random number you chose as typical bitrates go from 768, 1024, 2048 etc

yea you can prolly set the vid bitrate lower, that's just what it was default and the movies come out perfect, i'm still testing other settings.

m00moo said:
800x480 with aspect ratio might aswel be 720x480
and the bitrate, as setzer said wont make to big of a difference on a small screen. 768-1024 are fine. 1500 appears to be a random number you chose as typical bitrates go from 768, 1024, 2048 etc
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yes it DOES make a difference, since our screen's are 80 pixels wider than 720

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kscasper13 said:
yes it DOES make a difference, since our screen's are 80 pixels wider than 720
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u dnt seem to quite understand. a typical video is made to have certain resolutions. obviously by converting a video u wil want to maintain the original aspect ratio, unless of course u dnt mind watching a stretched un porportioned video. that is why most converters have preset res already set to keep those aspect ratios and quality.from what u already said, u are watching a video stretched 80pixels too wide.

16/9 is the closest we have to a ratio standard, and 720x480 doesn't match that.
If your source is more than 800 pixels wide, the best setting is to scale the width down to 800 and let the height scale down proportionately. On a 16/9 video, this will leave very thin black bars on the bottom and top of your phone's screen. If these bother you, you will need to fiddle with Handbrake's crop settings.
If your source is smaller than 800 pixels wide, then you should just leave the resolution the same as the source. Upconverting will not make the picture any better and will just increase the filesize/bitrate.
As for bitrate, I've found that 1000-1500 looks amazing if you are converting HD video, but if you're converting SD then around 750 is sufficient.
A non-widescreen source will leave black bars to the left and right on your phone - you can get around this in two ways - firstly by stretching the picture which looks ugly IMO, or by doing your own cropping of the top and bottom of the picture during conversion.

JanetPanic said:
Not to be anal but mp4 is a container format (like ogg), not a codec (like vorbis). MPEG-4 part 2 is the "default" visual codec component. In reality it is not anymore. H.264 is also part of the MPEG-4 specification, MPEG-4 part 10 to be precise. In handbrake H.264 is the default for the mp4 container.
I am certain that h.264 can work on the N1. I have a few time wasters I keep on my phone. The more operative question is whether the current handbrake ripping to m4v works for the N1. I am reripping a film right now using the iPhone profile....
And using the iPhone & iPod Touch preset in Handbrake 0.9.4 the rip worked fine. Which preset did you use? Keep in mind some of the higher h.264 profiles might not work on the phone.
Personally I would probably up the picture settings to match the N1's resolution and maybe bump the quality down if worried about space. I was able to play a h.264 set to high settings but I am not sure what the exact settings were. It appears the N1 can handle most, if not all, h.264 profiles.
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you're right, didn't mean to say codec..thanks for correcting me
but it didn't seem to matter what i picked..normal, high profile, ipod touch, etc. anything i encoded to h.264 WON'T play. now maybe i'm overlooking something (likely), but who knows
edit: you handbrake users. do you change the audio settings at all? and do you do 2 pass, and would that help with anything?
i've noticed my encodes get a little blocky here and there, would 2 pass fix that?

kscasper13 said:
ive done this, works perfectly with 720p mkv's
HANDBRAKE:
set vid profile to normal,
container: MP4 800 x 480 ,, check the keep aspect ratio, anamorphic off, bitrate 1500
audio AAC, 44.1khz, bitrate 96 stereo
save profile, load file
your jaw is gonna drop if you use these settings and encode a 720p mkv
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Brilliant advice, worked a treat! Thanks a lot

m00moo said:
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u dnt seem to quite understand. a typical video is made to have certain resolutions. obviously by converting a video u wil want to maintain the original aspect ratio, unless of course u dnt mind watching a stretched un porportioned video. that is why most converters have preset res already set to keep those aspect ratios and quality.from what u already said, u are watching a video stretched 80pixels too wide.
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ggggodddddi i was kidding u doof
and yes i understand bitrate an d resolutions, i went to school for 3d rendering, but thanks for the gradeschool lesson on resolution gates.

tvrf21 said:
Brilliant advice, worked a treat! Thanks a lot
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no worries buddy, soon ima figure out the cropping settings sop it fills the screen, even though it doesn't bother me one bit

I currently use the following (for 16x9 content)
Code:
ffmpeg -i Input.avi -acodec libfaac -ac 2 -ar 44100 -ab 128k -s 800x450 -vcodec libx264 -b 700k -flags +loop -cmp +chroma -partitions +parti4x4+partp8x8+partb8x8 -subq 5 -trellis 1 -refs 1 -coder 0 -me_range 16 -g 300 -keyint_min 25 -sc_threshold 40 -i_qfactor 0.71 -bt 400k -maxrate 700k -bufsize 400k -rc_eq 'blurCplx^(1-qComp)' -qcomp 0.6 -qmin 15 -qmax 51 -qdiff 4 -level 30 output.mp4
I miss out "-s 800x450" if the source material is under that already, no point scaling it up when the N1 will do it for you. For 4:3 I'd use "-s 640x480"

I use the program Flash to Video PRO, to me has very much helps.

The reason why above poster chose 1500 bitrare when converting from a 720p video is because from what I have found to be the highest bitrate the N1 will support (or all the video players on the market atleast) btw use mVideoPlayer by far the best video player...
I might also add that the latest version of AnyDVD converter has a converting option built in for the nexus ... wich is basically the same as aboves post handbreak settings..

Question: Movies on cappy?

i got some 700mb avi movies and dropped it on my phone. it said it could not play. do i need to resize it or is it an encoder issue? maybe the file size is too big? idk!
thanks

What player are you trying to use?

use rockplayer or vplayer, I had played 2.7gb mkv 720p movie with no issue.

kamesen said:
i got some 700mb avi movies and dropped it on my phone. it said it could not play. do i need to resize it or is it an encoder issue? maybe the file size is too big? idk!
thanks
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Try the program "handbrake" with high profile settings

Are you using a custom rom? Because I have been watching 700 mb .avi and great big hd .mkv with no problem, on both stock and newest cognition. Only format I HAVE had a problem with is m2ts.

I use PavTube Ultimate Blu-Ray Converter to make Xvid MP4 files out of my discs. They work great on the Captivate. I played around with different settings and there really isn't much visual difference between using the native 800x480 resolution compared to HD rez, but the difference in file size is significant.

I get the same issues with some AVI's in both Rockplayer and the stock player on the stock rom. Haven't tried movies since flashing to Cognition 2.3b7. MKV's don't typically play in rockplayer, the few that have skipped a ton, or they would play with no audio. Not sure what you guys are doing to your movies to make them play. All of my videos are encoded properly, and play on my WD TV Live just fine. The WD is a good test of media quality for rips.

The WD TV Live also can play pretty much any audio and video codec you throw at it.

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The WD TV Live also can play pretty much any audio and video codec you throw at it.
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There have been mkv's that have not played correctly on it, so if it's not encoded properly, the WD is a good test, from my experience.

I have some 700mb xvid movies on my phone and they play fine on stock rom w/stock player. But I highly recommend vplayer for video and rtsp watching.

Yep. Gave Handbrake a shot. Works like a charm. Will download vplayer and check it out
thanks fellas

What kind of settings are you guys using for your conversions?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

followed the settings outlined on this webpage:
http://www.knowyourcell.com/samsung/samsung-captivate/captivate-guides/513592/how_to_convert_videos_and_transfer_them_to_the_samsung_captivate.html
Requirements:
Installed copy of Handbrake software
Video files and or DVD of your choice
Samsung Captivate with microUSB cable
Step I: Launch the Handbrake application on your computer and select the video source
In the menu on the right-hand side, select the iPod Legacy preset (figure 1)
Select your video source by clicking on the Source dropdown menu (we used a DVD for our testing purposes)
Select the destination and name for the file once it has been converted (both the .mp4 and .m4v extension work for the Captivate)
Confirm that the container is set to MP4 File and that Large file size, Web optimized, and iPod 5G support are unchecked
Step II: Adjust Handbrake's Video Settings
Picture Tab:
Uncheck Keep Aspect Ratio
Set the Captivated Width and Height (the Captivate supports a maximum of 800 x 480 pixels)
Video Tab:
Confirm the Video Codec is set as H.264 (x264)
Framerate (FPS) should be set to Same as source
Under Quality, select the Avg Bitrate (kbps) and change it to 1500
Step III: Adjust audio settings
Confirm the Audio Codec is AAC (faac)
Mixdown should be set to Stereo
Change the Samplerate to 48
Change the Bitrate to 160
Step IV: Save as a preset for future use
Click on the Presets menu and select New Preset
Enter Captivate in the dialog box and click Add
"Captivate" will now be saved as a preset and listed on the right hand side in Handbrake to be used in the future
Step V: Convert the video and copy to your Captivate
Click on the Start button in Handbrake
A command line/DOS window will open and start to process the video conversion
Once the conversion is done, mount your Captivate on to your computer via USB
Once mounted, create a folder named Video in the root folder on the Captivate
Copy converted file into the Video folder
That's it! The converted video can now be played on your Captivate using the Gallery app. It should look fantastic on the Captivate's screen as long as the original source was of good quality.
A few things to keep in mind when converting video:
The Captivate does not like video file sizes over 2GB (the settings in Step II should help insure that the file size is kept under 2GB)
Your converted video will only be as good as the source video
If your source is over 800 x 480, you must be sure to set the width and height to a maximum of 800 x 480 as noted in Step II

chirs said:
use rockplayer or vplayer, I had played 2.7gb mkv 720p movie with no issue.
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ditto. no problems with xvid or mkv files of that size.
i hate converting! all i want is drag, drop and play.. easy as that.
On Assonance 4.3 o/c to 1300 mhz

I actually converted like 20 movies or so for my phone but I dont think Im allowed to post the links to them here lol.

I don't know what went wrong, I can just say I'm running same cog rom you are and so far .mkv, .avi and .mp4 work just fine for me on the stock vid player :-/
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Tried Handbrake using the settings above and the video was garbage. I'll stick with Pavtube as it converts anything I throw at it in any format without issue and it does Blu-Ray, as well. Looks like 1500 bit rate is the sweet spot for good video quality and manageable file size.

I believe all you have to click is High profile on the right side , that is it

malicenfz said:
I actually converted like 20 movies or so for my phone but I dont think Im allowed to post the links to them here lol.
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I don't think u would need to convert any vids for the captivate. Captivate by itself plays a variety of formats

Actually, since I'm ripping mostly Blu-Ray discs, they DO need to be converted. And I did a check ripping standard DVD to both mpg2 and mp4. A 50mb mpg2 rip was about 3:40 (min:seconds) whereas the same settings ripped to mp4 was closer to 4:20. Over the span of a complete movie, the mp4 conversion will yield a smaller file size.

Fast video playback - SD videos

Hey all;
So, I've had my Eee Pad for a few months now. Absolutely love it. One of the things that I'm aiming to do, is movie playback for road trips. Myself or my wife (whoever is passenger) can watch a movie, while streaming the audio through the car via Bluetooth (FordSync).
I had converted a couple of movies from HD MKVs (720p and 1080p) to MP4 for playback on my tablet using Handbrake and they played fine. Even HD (720p) music videos I've ripped from YouTube playback OK once converted, however any of my 420p (DVD) rips don't want to playback properly. The video is 2-4 times faster than it should be. I've Googled, and even done some searching on these forums, but the threads regarding fast video playback didn't apply to the Eee Pad.
I'm still on stock ROM, but updated to the latest one (3.1 I think it is). I've tried the built in video player, as well as a couple of others (current one installed is mVideoPlayer).
My Handbrake settings are as follows:
Picture
Keep Aspect Ratio
Anamorphic: None
Modulus: 16
Video Filters
All off
Video
Video Coded: H.264 (x264)
Framerate (FPS): Same as source
(Video)Quality
Avg Bitrate (kbps): 2200
Audio
Audio Coded: AAC (faac)
Mixdown: Stereo
Sample Rate: Auto
Bitrate: 160
DRC: 0.0
Advanced
Encoding
Reference Frames: 1
Maximum B-Frames: 0
Analysis
Motion Estimation Method: Uneven Multi-Hexagon
Subpixel ME & Mode Decision: 6: RD in I/P-frames
Motion Estimation Range: Default (16)
If the video has a 1080 resolution, I usually bring it down to 720 as it plays back better. If its an SD film, I leave the resolution/aspect ratio to whatever the video is encoded as.
Any help is greatly appreciated!!

Some things to try:
Go here build.handbrake.fr and download the latest SVN Handbrake GUI (Not CLI) and install it. It's possible that it is a bug in the latest official version that has been fixed.
Second, rather than using your own settings which may have inadvertently switched some switch - use the High Profile preset and encode this way. It should be automatic, but use Constant Quality = 20 instead of average bit rate as well. These are settings that are known working on mine and other devices.
Try that and report back.
sassafras

How are you ripping the DVDs? If you're just re-converting the .VOB files, that might be the cause depending on if Handbrake can properly read the d2v info embed in VOB files and properly inverse-telecine the DVDs. This will explain why seems to play 2x faster as the timecode is not read properly by handbrake.

sassafras_ said:
Some things to try:
Go here build.handbrake.fr and download the latest SVN Handbrake GUI (Not CLI) and install it. It's possible that it is a bug in the latest official version that has been fixed.
Second, rather than using your own settings which may have inadvertently switched some switch - use the High Profile preset and encode this way. It should be automatic, but use Constant Quality = 20 instead of average bit rate as well. These are settings that are known working on mine and other devices.
Try that and report back.
sassafras
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I did 4 movies, one I ripped myself, the other 3 I've had for years which I downloaded. Aside from some granyness in the videos now (I'm going to re-try with the 2-pass encode) they played perfectly. Thank you!!
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How are you ripping the DVDs? If you're just re-converting the .VOB files, that might be the cause depending on if Handbrake can properly read the d2v info embed in VOB files and properly inverse-telecine the DVDs. This will explain why seems to play 2x faster as the timecode is not read properly by handbrake.
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Once I ripped the movie using AnyDVD, I'd throw it in to Handbrake and use the HighProfile setting. I'd set the aspect ratio to be the same as that of the movie, 2-pass encode with a turbo first pass, set the audio to be the 5.1 track as passthrough, no chapters, and the rest of the settings as the default for the profile. The original ripped videos play fine on my PC, and even the re-encoded ones played fine as well.