Has anyone here seen this phone?
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=PhKxpYRip18
Pretty awesome GUI. Would it be at all possible for someone to mimic it's interface on an android phone? Even if it were like say, a home replacement app?
The idea behind the interface is pretty cool, but this phone leaves something to be desired.
the zooom control looks like 100times better than pinch to zoom
feels more like the android cut thing for setting images... or like zoom on andwobble
but no big news.
don't fancy the ui. I can use my android phone single handedly just great
And I would miss kinetic scroling... If they don't include it, they are nuts
At 5:44 she actually did what I would fear the most - release her thumb too early, starting the wrong app
plus the phone is still to lame for everyday use...
But design looks very nice. and the idea is based on minority report xD
Yeah, I've posted about this phone in a few threads (X10). It looks prety tight. Hasn't been released yet. I'm gonna get one just to have it, when it comes out. Should be easy to port to android phones.
But I'm getting THIS one in a couple of months.
wcdisciple said:
Should be easy to port to android phones.
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nice to hear someone saying that
i have also known the first else for ... a long time? and always liked the gui. would be nice to have that for my android phone
i just noticed the first else device looks kind of like a complete black, even slightly flatter (backside) iphone 4g xD
Is that Apples new design this year? (The flat gray color, no more shiny chrome)? And also no more roundness? (How the bezel is like flat going to the top and bottom)
It certainly presents some interesting concepts, especially with one thumb use.
However I don't see their entire OS being a success in the near future.
Okay, first of all I am not a fan of android and wouldn't use it but I do work as a liason to some of Google's subsidiaries. I was speaking with some people on our end who were overseeing the latest update and whether or not it would finally step up to the plate and get a hardware accelerated UI like all of the other big competitors and word for word what he told me is "That's up to the boys at Samsung (he meant all other OEMs but we were talking about Samsung's devices at that point in time.) So, like the good little XDAer I am I went and did my research, android can not have a hardware accelerated UI built into the base OS because of the variation in hardware. It is entirely up to your OEM's to implement a GPU accelerated UI which would require a whole new branch to a development team and since it effects so few people it's highly unlikely that it will occur. They are more than willing to contract a third party to utilize an OS that was already in development or in HTC's case build from scratch but the prospect of hiring an individual development team for something so trivial has little to no chance of occurring. I never did expect much from the ugly duckling except for it to market well with people who either wanted an alternative to the iphone or people who couldn't afford an iphone but this is a real kick in the head to pretty much everyone. I now appreciate the way apple and even moreso microsoft are going about the mobile phone game even more.
I know I shouldn't feed the troll but I have some spare time.
Firstly, considering how smooth android is it becomes obvious that it doesn't need hardware acceleration (unlike WP7 for instance).
Should the day come when it is required, then it will be implemented.
There. Question answered.
Umm
isnt the Galaxy S II hardware accelerated
i think its the only android phone that is
qwerty warrior said:
Umm
isnt the Galaxy S II hardware accelerated
i think its the only android phone that is
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Actually you're right, the Tegra provides hardware acceleration, and there are several tablets and phones that use it.
qwerty warrior, the chipset available in the S2 is completely ready to go for a fully hardware accelerated UI and it is partially implemented but not fully.
xaccers, I see no reason to get into it with you regarding this matter again, android as an OS is just not up to par with the others, it's just another place for google to advertise. Trust me, the nice people here at google aren't going to prioritize adding features no one cares about. They'd much rather glorify a pallet swap and call it an update. It's slower than the rest and the only selling point is the market and the fact that you can get any app for free.
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android as an OS is just not up to par with the others
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Except it is, many of us accepted your challenge regarding the lack of smoothness with android, and found you were very wrong.
You can start as many threads as you like denying it, but the fact remains you are wrong.
This is the second thread I see you dissing android. What'd the point? Why don't you use winmo 7, which I like as well, and let us use whatever we want without you winning. I could go and complain abt winno too and how its not customizable, its market is way too small and all its devices are outdated.
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It's Windows Phone 7, nothing like winmo. I'm not dissing android, just stating the facts regarding a meeting I had with a Google representative in passing.
xaccers, your "tests" prove absolutely nothing, I'm sure all of you just busted out your iphone next to your high end android device and swiped side to side? First of all that's highly unlikely and secondly regardless of what you say anyone who has moved to another OS will tell you just how terribly laggy fragmented android is. We've had this debate before, if you want to have another back and forth spanning three days with nothing but your alleged tests as your foundation then have at it. I will do the same on my smooth and seamless Dell Venue Pro that will be recieving the next update just as it did the last one.
what do u mean partially ?
ive used it and there is no stutter what so ever
ie( playing 1080p video on youtube while pinch zooming and its buttery smooth)
i just cant see any stutter
even most people on the SG2 section dont bother with custom roms
some people install custom roms because of battery draining services
currently im running stock and my phone lasts about 3+ days
im not attacking anyone i like everything when it comes to software/hardware
I've used WP7, it sucks, and I use Android at the moment, and it doesn't.
Android is smooth as silk, it doesn't need any long winded transitions to hide the lag of loading an app, I just tap on a shortcut and it opens.
Of course Android can actually have icons, we're not stuck with duplo CGA tiles to bore ourselves to death with.
Once again Zee, you've made comments that can't be substantiated (ie there are many hardware accelerated android devices) and been left looking like a fool.
Maybe one day you'll actually find something genuine to pick holes in Android with, there's plenty of them.
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what do u mean partially ?
ive used it and there is no stutter what so ever
ie( playing 1080p video on youtube while pinch zooming and its buttery smooth)
i just cant see any stutter
even most people on the SG2 section dont bother with custom roms
some people install custom roms because of battery draining services
currently im running stock and my phone lasts about 3+ days
im not attacking anyone i like everything when it comes to software/hardware
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accidentally thanked you haha, enjoy .
I agree, it's the best android experience I've had and while my opinion may be jaded against android due to such a long history of lag and such I did get a bit of stutter exiting and entering apps, and while running angry birds and trying to check email it was not that great. :/ Also the browser and a few other aspects don't seem to be hardware accelerated but the apps I was running should not have been enough to cause such a definitive stutter. Perhaps I've been spoiled by windows phone 7 but I'm just used to everything being seamless.
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I've used WP7, it sucks, and I use Android at the moment, and it doesn't.
Android is smooth as silk, it doesn't need any long winded transitions to hide the lag of loading an app, I just tap on a shortcut and it opens.
Of course Android can actually have icons, we're not stuck with duplo CGA tiles to bore ourselves to death with.
Once again Zee, you've made comments that can't be substantiated (ie there are many hardware accelerated android devices) and been left looking like a fool.
Maybe one day you'll actually find something genuine to pick holes in Android with, there's plenty of them.
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There are many means of picking holes, I have no interest in doing so. I haven't even bothered with these forums as I don't need to mod my devices to make them better than any android device on the market. I just came on to verify that it was safe for me to utilize my developer account on multiple windows phone 7 devices. I am still looking forward to the day that I am so blinded by an OS that I can't see the obvious lag or lack of even moderately decent coding. Windows Phone has wowed me more than any other mobile OS in existence but even it can't leave me completely blind. I do wonder how a static icon to leave the page looking cluttered and generally ugly could possibly beat out a live tile constantly updating me with all the information I need. Perhaps I just like uniformity across an OS rather than clutter, that's my style.
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I am still looking forward to the day that I am so blinded by an OS that I can't see the obvious lag or lack of even moderately decent coding.
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You think WP7 is good, congratulations, you've been living that day for quite some while, apparently so blinded that you haven't noticed.
I have 4 icons on my home screen, icons I can choose the look of, and the placement, showing off the beautiful animated wallpaper I have.
As for poking holes, I'd be tempted to believe you, after all so far you've not managed to poke any holes, however you start a thread making false claims about Android and it tends to look like you're trying hard.
z33dev33l said:
accidentally thanked you haha, enjoy .
I agree, it's the best android experience I've had and while my opinion may be jaded against android due to such a long history of lag and such I did get a bit of stutter exiting and entering apps, and while running angry birds and trying to check email it was not that great. :/ Also the browser and a few other aspects don't seem to be hardware accelerated but the apps I was running should not have been enough to cause such a definitive stutter. Perhaps I've been spoiled by windows phone 7 but I'm just used to everything being seamless.
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thanks
i used nokia phones for a long time and i never made the switch to android because there was a lot of stutter even with custom roms
that small split second of " stutter " really used to piss me off thats why i used non touch screen phones like nokia
they were super fast for what i used it for
then bought a samsung i8910
was a great phone with Symbian ,it had copy paste and the opera browser was awesome .... the the screen cracked after it for 5 meters .... still worked and used it for another 4 months and i was still waiting for the "perfect " android phone and when i saw the SG2 in action i was amazed .personally i dont see the stutter and that enough for me
i never wanted wp7 or IOS because i felt like i was in a jail( coudnt change launchers or overhaul the UI) ... that was basically it ,i just wanted a fast phone that i could upgrade forever until the OS would be soo heavy for the duel core
peace
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You think WP7 is good, congratulations, you've been living that day for quite some while, apparently so blinded that you haven't noticed.
I have 4 icons on my home screen, icons I can choose the look of, and the placement, showing off the beautiful animated wallpaper I have.
As for poking holes, I'd be tempted to believe you, after all so far you've not managed to poke any holes, however you start a thread making false claims about Android and it tends to look like you're trying hard.
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What it does have is not due to Google or Icecream or whatever pallet swap they're pumping out now. It is due entirely to Samsung so Android itself does not and will not have a hardware accelerated UI and it will likely never be fully implemented on any android device. I have 12 tiles on my homescreen, once for my calls, constantly updating with any missd calls or voicemails, one with my people which constantly cycles up to 9 friends at a time over the icon, all my friends or people I know, a messaging tab which keeps me updated on any missed texts and has a cool little face that shows different emotions based on the number of tabs, my hotmail which just keeps me updated there, my maps which shows my current or most recent destination, my internet explorer... pretty inactive... my me tile which cycles between a picture of myself and my son and any facebook/MSN notifications I might have, an xbox live tile which actively has my live avatar popping in and out (he's wearing a scorpion outfit, it pretty much rocks) and leads to the greatest game hub ever. My calendar that is pretty much my lifeline with this new job, my pictures hub that cycles between 30+ pictures of my little boy, a zune tile that shows my most recent artist listened to and a marketplace hub which constantly informs me of updates. All of this information is readily available with one swipe of my finger and I don't have to worry about whether that unlock is going to go through, whether I'll meet lag on the way down, or anything else. I can also pin literally anything to my homescreen but I don't like clutter. Overall it is without a doubt the most user-friendly user interface and is lag and clutter free, iOS can claim lag free, android can claim neither.
qwerty warrior said:
thanks
i used nokia phones for a long time and i never made the switch to android because there was a lot of stutter even with custom roms
that small split second of " stutter " really used to piss me off thats why i used non touch screen phones like nokia
they were super fast for what i used it for
then bought a samsung i8910
was a great phone with Symbian ,it had copy paste and the opera browser was awesome .... the the screen cracked after it for 5 meters .... still worked and used it for another 4 months and i was still waiting for the "perfect " android phone and when i saw the SG2 in action i was amazed .personally i dont see the stutter and that enough for me
i never wanted wp7 or IOS because i felt like i was in a jail( coudnt change launchers or overhaul the UI) ... that was basically it ,i just wanted a fast phone that i could upgrade forever until the OS would be soo heavy for the duel core
peace
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Commendable enough, I do appreciate the ability to change launchers and such and force updates on your phone but neither of them are things I would've ever done if I hadn't needed them. That's why I swapped, the speed and functionality were just a plus... Plus no other mobile game can compare to ilomilo.
I had a nexus one since day one and there was never any lag on it. Seriously smooth on everything it did. I now have a sensation and there is some lag here and there because of sense (i used temp root to disable some bloatware and its much better now). I had an HD7 since launch and it was a great phone, really smooth but I missed some apps on my android and tethering so I gave the HD7 to my dad and moved back to android. Moral of the story, my dad loves his HD7 and I love my android phone.
Android is fine now as is. I use google everything so android just integrates better with that than any OS ever will. Google maps on android is amazing and free.
Seriously man, just let go.
For the record this is not the android general section and any post speaking of another OS as superior is not blasphemy, I am just repeating what was told to me by a high-ranking official working on the latest version of android. It is entirely up to the OEM to set up and always will be.
I notice significant lag on my Nexus One between the time I unlock the phone and when it becomes fully usable, that's using the stock Gingerbread 2.3.4 GRJ22. It's not a big deal though, I just have to wait a few seconds before things settle down before it becomes responsive.
I don't really notice hardly any lag on my Froyo Droid Incredible.
So, lack of UI acceleration... why should I care?
And actually, iOS is not as un-customizable as most would believe. There are plenty of themes and UI customization, I've even seen some emulating WP7 for whatever reason. All you need is to be jailbroken, a process easier than rooting many Android phones.
So far I have not found any way to jailbreak the latest version of WP7, it really is a phone for people who just want to use it the way Microsoft intended. I've read you can downgrade, install ChevronWP7, then re-upgrade and keep the jailbreak, but other than pirating apps, there's not really any benefit to doing that that I'm aware of as I don't believe the homebrew community has really taken off with WP7 (but I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong).
z33dev33l said:
What it does have is not due to Google or Icecream or whatever pallet swap they're pumping out now. It is due entirely to Samsung so Android itself does not and will not have a hardware accelerated UI and it will likely never be fully implemented on any android device. I have 12 tiles on my homescreen, once for my calls, constantly updating with any missd calls or voicemails, one with my people which constantly cycles up to 9 friends at a time over the icon, all my friends or people I know, a messaging tab which keeps me updated on any missed texts and has a cool little face that shows different emotions based on the number of tabs, my hotmail which just keeps me updated there, my maps which shows my current or most recent destination, my internet explorer... pretty inactive... my me tile which cycles between a picture of myself and my son and any facebook/MSN notifications I might have, an xbox live tile which actively has my live avatar popping in and out (he's wearing a scorpion outfit, it pretty much rocks) and leads to the greatest game hub ever. My calendar that is pretty much my lifeline with this new job, my pictures hub that cycles between 30+ pictures of my little boy, a zune tile that shows my most recent artist listened to and a marketplace hub which constantly informs me of updates. All of this information is readily available with one swipe of my finger and I don't have to worry about whether that unlock is going to go through, whether I'll meet lag on the way down, or anything else. I can also pin literally anything to my homescreen but I don't like clutter. Overall it is without a doubt the most user-friendly user interface and is lag and clutter free, iOS can claim lag free, android can claim neither.
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Except, once again, you're wrong about the lag, you always have been, you always will be.
I don't like clutter, hence only 4 icons, the lovely animated wallpaper, and a subtle slide down notification bar sould I recieve new emails, texts, missed calls, open wireless networks, etc (It's so good even apple have copied it, give it a few updates and Microsoft will probably copy it too).
I don't want anyone who's looking at my phone to just be able to see what my friends are up to, why would I? So I just slide to another page and get the updates as they happen (of course if I was a saddo I could have that on my home screen).
A flick the otherway and I'm listening to my music, again I can have that on my home page if I so wished, but I don't like clutter such as the WP7 tiles force upon you.
Rather than having a tiny photo of my loved ones trapped in a tile, I can of course have them as full wallpaper images, cycling through the photos, after all, if you want to see pictures of your loved ones, 480x800 (or 960x800) is so much better than 173x173.
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Found this yesterday and thought I'd share...
Supposedly its an android based lightswitch wifi enabled and programable (with smartphone). What do you think? Maybe some cool things could be done with IFTTT (if this then that) website. I was thinking a link to alert you via lights when security alarm is triggered...or even emails or anything really. I like the idea but not sure how practical it actually is. Anyways just thought someone smart could do some amazing things withit... and it could mean a smart home possibly.
Interesting
It seems like a very interesting thing...
This could be very handy for large houses I guess...
chuck_ said:
It seems like a very interesting thing...
This could be very handy for large houses I guess...
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I hope that even if this one doesn't reach its goal that someone will come out with something else more apt to make the smart home a possibility. The dream home of mine would have something similar to this in every room. I could just talk to it and it would pull up a holographic image for me. Like future web surfing. Ahh but that is neither here nor there. At least with this campaign if the budget is not met I get my 75 dollars back with how they set it up. That is a plus. It is the first time that I have ever contributed to one of this things and I like to be the person who gets things first so if it does or doesnt work I will be okay.
As far as large houses I think that you may be closing off the posibility of something else. The video shows that you can link switchs so I could turn on the light in my hallway and bathroom at the same time... or whatever combination I so chose/preferred. Also with the way the base thing is setup it makes future addons so much easier... although I hope it is not something that is so easilly removable that a child could do it. I would love to be able to just pull out my existing switch/outlet without having to turn off the power and just plug in a newly designed whatever may come next product. That much seems to be a little undersold if you ask me.
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I hope that even if this one doesn't reach its goal that someone will come out with something else more apt to make the smart home a possibility. The dream home of mine would have something similar to this in every room. I could just talk to it and it would pull up a holographic image for me. Like future web surfing. Ahh but that is neither here nor there. At least with this campaign if the budget is not met I get my 75 dollars back with how they set it up. That is a plus. It is the first time that I have ever contributed to one of this things and I like to be the person who gets things first so if it does or doesnt work I will be okay.
As far as large houses I think that you may be closing off the posibility of something else. The video shows that you can link switchs so I could turn on the light in my hallway and bathroom at the same time... or whatever combination I so chose/preferred. Also with the way the base thing is setup it makes future addons so much easier... although I hope it is not something that is so easilly removable that a child could do it. I would love to be able to just pull out my existing switch/outlet without having to turn off the power and just plug in a newly designed whatever may come next product. That much seems to be a little undersold if you ask me.
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I can picture what you say, about the holographic stuff, but i guess there's a long way (or maybe not so long) to go.
Yeah, the features they say are amazing, and that about the upgrading would be very neat.
Sorry if my answers seem vague, but i'm really tired and I have a lot of work to do...
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I can picture what you say, about the holographic stuff, but i guess there's a long way (or maybe not so long) to go.
Yeah, the features they say are amazing, and that about the upgrading would be very neat.
Sorry if my answers seem vague, but i'm really tired and I have a lot of work to do...
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Its all good. Get your work done and get some rest. I am starting to shutdown for the night my self.
I was really hoping that people would see this as something. Maybe its just me, but I see some great potential for future innovations from this starting point. I guess there is a lot of other things going on right now that maybe attention is focused on instead though so I get it.
Does anyone else use IFTTT? I saw a xda video on Youtube where a man teaches how to use it with a belkin wifi plug in. For nearly this same thing I am talking about, but without an android device.
Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpT6QryQn2w
The potential for wireless devices is greatness. We should be looking forward to many many more of these I hope.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=appinventor.ai_spinn360.Android_Smart_Home_Device
Made a fake nLine model based of from assumptions from app inventor. Check it out on the play store if you want!