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NVIDIA released Tegra ICS OS images

Not sure if this should be in the Dev section, but it looks like NVIDIA released the OS images for the Tegra development kit...
http://developer.nvidia.com/content/android-40-ics-os-images-tegra-android-available
Hopefully this helps the Devs working on the ICS port for the Gtab...

is for ventana
not for harmony

i believe that nvidia axed support for harmony but released a 2.3 image as last uptate for that platform
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So does this actually provide no support for the gtablet?

drizzt5 said:
So does this actually provide no support for the gtablet?
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Nope. Different platform, nvidia kinda screwed us on that front.

Actually this release does help us out a lot. Give it time, but this release enabled HD video decoding on Gtablet ICS. I know because I've tried it.

[23/05/12]Tegra 3 Vs A5 vs A5x

I've been looking at alot of material that suggests the Tegra 3 is weak compared to both the A5 as well as A5X,
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
this shows some benchmarks between the prime and the ipad 2
edit 23/05/12:
after much debate I finally got the One X and decided benchmarks are not at all accurate with the difference being in software, OS, hardware, etc. being hard to actually benchmark universal and accurately.
after playing shadowgun, riptide and running plenty of apps, watching the beautiful smooth graphics and tegra 3 technology; who's to say which phone is better or worse, all that matters is that the htc one x performs excellent! and I look forward to more tegra 3 optimized apps and games.

already a thread with lot of information in it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1544676

mox123 said:
I've been looking at alot of material that suggests the Tegra 3 is weak compared to both the A5 as well as A5X,
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
this shows some benchmarks between the prime and the ipad 2
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this was discussed till death on this thread
Discussing the performance of the Tegra 3 SoC
and on this thread
HTC One X and One S - HTC's New Hero Devices! Mega Information Thread
i dont see a need for a new thread....

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/16/ipad-a5x-cpu-vs-asus-transformer-prime-tegra-3-cpu-benchmarks/
this shows that the tegra 3 is seriously weak compared to the ipad 3,

This just out from Gizmodo
Transformer Prime VS New iPad

gwuhua1984 said:
This just out from Gizmodo
Transformer Prime VS New iPad
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At least we know that the A5x is not "4x better than" the Tegra chip.

Look more like 20% than 4x. How can they lie like that?

thats weird, because this video shows it is just over 3 x as powerful ???
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/16/ipad-a5x-cpu-vs-asus-transformer-prime-tegra-3-cpu-benchmarks/
this is a benchmark of fps between transformer prime vs ipad3 in the gpu arena? am i missing something here? not sure if the tuaw are using the old linpack test which is stated on gizmodo as not being accurate so they didnt carry that one out???
" (Note: We planned to use the age-old Linpack standard test to evaluate CPU performance, but the Linpack apps for iOS and Android are very different, and their results could not be accurately compared.) " gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
im not sure like i said above if tuaw are using the old linpack standard test which could be giving false readings and showing the benchmark for ipad to be just over 3x as powerful as the tegra 3 which might be false benchmark figures,

Ipad 3 -> all

Magnesus said:
Look more like 20% than 4x. How can they lie like that?
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Paid by apple I would assume.

stupid test IMO
i can agree that the a5x gpu is faster than the T3 but the numbers shown at the gl benchmark is totally biased !!
you need to remember that ANY app that is on the app store goes throgh an apple tech guy and is being optimized to the device before its published.
this is not the case with android market where anyone can put whatever they want , and most of the games/apps are not optimized for a single device (btw that is why apple devices are so good the software is optimized with that device)
i am an android dude myself but i do appreciate apple devices , but from a technological POV if the transformer prime were to be optimized with its os, gpu drivers, and games/apps it will be better than the """new ipad"""

d_brimer said:
i can agree that the a5x gpu is faster than the T3 but the numbers shown at the gl benchmark is totally biased !!
you need to remember that ANY app that is on the app store goes throgh an apple tech guy and is being optimized to the device before its published.
this is not the case with android market where anyone can put whatever they want , and most of the games/apps are not optimized for a single device (btw that is why apple devices are so good the software is optimized with that device)
i am an android dude myself but i do appreciate apple devices , but from a technological POV if the transformer prime were to be optimized with its os, gpu drivers, and games/apps it will be better than the """new ipad"""
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Bull****.
Apple goes through the apps and checks that they work like they should. Apple doesn't tweak or optimize the apps.
The fact is that iOS is better optimized for the hardware it runs on, and since Apple makes both, it's not shocking that their products runs better.

The latest tests shows that the A5X wins at graphical processing while the Tegra 3 wins in calcualtions and memory handling .. and lately they discovered the processing of the A5X and the retina display makes the new iPad get hotter than the iPad 2 by 10 degrees
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LordManhattan said:
The fact is that iOS is better optimized for the hardware it runs on, and since Apple makes both, it's not shocking that their products runs better.
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I thought Samsung made the hardware, well at least the processor?

ZDNet compared iPad3 and Transformer Prime
ZDNet is quite inconclusive, comparing two games, namely Shadowgun and riptide, in a Tegra3 and an A5X device. While the iPad3 has a little crispier colors and text display (thanks to its Retina display), the Prime displays some special graphics effects not to be seen on the iPad3 (yet). So in the end it depends on the other hardware components and the software optimization I guess..

Tegra needs to out do apple

sickorwuut said:
Tegra needs to out do apple
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Everyone needs something, doesn't mean they'll get it. Though I am on a G2x and believe the Tegra 2 out does the 4s, that iPad is powerful, if only we could slap android on that hoe.
And to people saying that iOS is better optimized for the hardware, you don't think companies just slap Android on these phones right? Some phones seem like it though which is what gives android a bad name for some. But then some custom ROMs come around and can fix a whole wave of problems for phones (especially my G2x).
Sadly though, I don't think NVidia will ever release Tegra 2 drivers for ICS G2x.
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LordManhattan said:
Bull****.
Apple goes through the apps and checks that they work like they should. Apple doesn't tweak or optimize the apps.
The fact is that iOS is better optimized for the hardware it runs on, and since Apple makes both, it's not shocking that their products runs better.
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They won't release apps that have accurate benchmarks though and will show that their products aren't so revolutionary. I mean seriously, I like apple, but hate their "Somebody did it first but since we did it months later it's revolutionary," mindset.
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lol wow....

Apple like to lie for customer

Good ~$200 tablet?

I'm an iOS/Java developer and I want to learn Android dev and port my apps to Android devices. I know there's simulators, but I'm a firm believer in "dogfooding," and want to "live" with the software running on real hardware for a few days, so, I'm looking at the ~$200 Android options... I can read the spec sheets and shoot-out comparisons as well as the next guy, but I was wondering what's the groupthink here?
What I'm considering (so far; open to other suggestions):
IdeaPad A1
Kindle Fire (rooted)
Waiting for the rumored Google ICS tablet
Thoughts? Capacitive touch screen (ideally with at least 1024x600 resolution), decent responsiveness (adequate CPU and RAM), reliable WiFi connectivity are must-haves. Anything from 2.3 on would be interesting.
I have a PRS-T1 I rooted and am happily running a mix of eReader apps on, and I had a Nook Color running CM7.1 but it was always flaky and inadvertently (unrelatedly) became a chew toy for my newest rescue dog...
Thanks!

Try the Asus MeMO Pad, it has high-end specs for $250.
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus-eee-pad-memo/4505-3126_7-35117824.html
However, I would suggest going for the Asus Padfone, as it represents the first step towards a future with modular computing, a paradigm shift on the level of having smartphones in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBTc3gn7jBE

hackintoshable said:
I'm an iOS/Java developer and I want to learn Android dev and port my apps to Android devices. I know there's simulators, but I'm a firm believer in "dogfooding," and want to "live" with the software running on real hardware for a few days, so, I'm looking at the ~$200 Android options... I can read the spec sheets and shoot-out comparisons as well as the next guy, but I was wondering what's the groupthink here?
What I'm considering (so far; open to other suggestions):
IdeaPad A1
Kindle Fire (rooted)
Waiting for the rumored Google ICS tablet
Thoughts? Capacitive touch screen (ideally with at least 1024x600 resolution), decent responsiveness (adequate CPU and RAM), reliable WiFi connectivity are must-haves. Anything from 2.3 on would be interesting.
I have a PRS-T1 I rooted and am happily running a mix of eReader apps on, and I had a Nook Color running CM7.1 but it was always flaky and inadvertently (unrelatedly) became a chew toy for my newest rescue dog...
Thanks!
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Being that Im guessing you would like to stay in the $200.00 price range I strongly suggest you check out swappa.com Its the "Ebay of Android" and I know of few here at XDA that have used it with much success. I think you will like what you find.

Galaxy tab 7 2 is 250 brand new so u might be able to get a used one for cheaper
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nook tablet with custom rom (cm7)
*almost same spec (same processor, etc) with kindle fire but nook has 16gb, micro sd slot and 1gb ram compared to kindle fire's no micro sd and 512mb ram
link - barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969
trust me, 512mb ram is just not enough

it seems samsung galaxy tab2 7 is 249$.

fisherwei said:
it seems samsung galaxy tab2 7 is 249$.
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I just got one last week and I am very pleased with it.

ICS Drivers from... SONY?

Just a thought seeing as how us G2X and O2X folks are waiting patiently for ICS drivers to arrive if ever from LG. Article hitting a few Android sites has Sony releasing a PMP w/ a Tegra 2. Now there is no mention if this Tegra 2 is the same as our devices but hey here's hoping. Thoughts?
http://phandroid.com/2012/07/18/sony-introduces-walkman-f800-with-android-4-0-launching-in-august/

I read somewhere that this will be the Ventana (same as the G2x) and not the Harmony chip. This makes sense, since the Harmony chip is used almost exclusively in tablets. I can't find the article, so I don't know if this was speculation by the blogger or something official.

RobBull69 said:
I read somewhere that this will be the Ventana (same as the G2x) and not the Harmony chip. This makes sense, since the Harmony chip is used almost exclusively in tablets. I can't find the article, so I don't know if this was speculation by the blogger or something official.
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very unlikely to be ventana as that is a development board that lost support from nvidia a while back. thats why you havent seen many, if any at all, ventana based device released since harmony became available. think of ventana as the beta version and harmony as production release. there are no distinction of which version to use for tablet vs phone

atb1183 said:
very unlikely to be ventana as that is a development board that lost support from nvidia a while back. thats why you havent seen many, if any at all, ventana based device released since harmony became available. think of ventana as the beta version and harmony as production release. there are no distinction of which version to use for tablet vs phone
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I don't get it, what exactly is the difference between the two? Is Harmony faster or use less power or something? Because doesn't it have all the same clock speeds, cache, RAM, etc...??

The problem will probably be in the fact that we don't have the driver source. If the driver is compiled for ICS it may work but I'm pretty sure we'll still need the driver source code or a driver compiled specifically for the G2x/O2x. Here's to hoping though.

userno69 said:
I don't get it, what exactly is the difference between the two? Is Harmony faster or use less power or something? Because doesn't it have all the same clock speeds, cache, RAM, etc...??
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As far as I know, the ONLY difference is the GPU. Ventana is clocked at 300Mhz for the GPU and Harmony at 333Mhz.

Never will these drivers be released for this device. Those numb nuts at NVIDIA are waiting for this device to die.

http://www.androidcentral.com/zte-grand-x-hands
This is the closet you're going to get to the G2X/O2X interms of GPU wise.

I hope the devs can cook something up. There are a few devices that are coming out with Tegra 2 and Ics. Keeps fingers crossed . If not then on to HTC and lg never again
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NVIDIA Tegra 2 and ICS

This weekend, my mother in law purchased a used Acer Iconia A100 from her son. She asked me to give her a crash course on it.
So I'm looking, at it, not bad. I'm like this thing has ICS 4.0.3... Cool... I decided to look at the specs... Yep, it has the Tegra 2... I'm telling myself there is no way this thing works in the video camera... Well, shockingly it works perfectly!
So why in hell does the Acer Iconia A100 vid cam works with ICS and not our phones? I verified the Acer site and they only have Honeycomb in terms of OS. So I guess my bro in law updated it himself but what I'm really pissed off at is why the video camera works like a charm on his...
WTF?

No!
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What I'm guessing is ics isn't that much of a big leap from honeycomb, or he just changed the build.prop to 4.0.3 to make him feel good about himself.
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That table got an official ICS update last April:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...rly-to-some-lucky-users-download-link-inside/
Which puts LG to shame regarding its lack of ICS updates for existing devices.

OK must of been Acer Canada that's behind in their updates!
But with that said... That means the basic drivers and code are probably available for the Tegra 2 for ICS if Acer was able to get it running... Sorry, far from being any type of programmer but do we really LG to do anything here or can any Dev pic off some code from the ROM on the Acer and work some magic.

NVIDIA just supplies the chip, the Tegra 2. It's up to the phone manufacturer to design the phone with a chipset and software. Every phone manufacturer is different so they must write different drivers.
The phone manufacturer is responsible for the drivers. It's not NVIDIA, it's up to LG and Acer to provide drivers for their chipset. Understand?

Bigs73 said:
OK must of been Acer Canada that's behind in their updates!
But with that said... That means the basic drivers and code are probably available for the Tegra 2 for ICS if Acer was able to get it running... Sorry, far from being any type of programmer but do we really LG to do anything here or can any Dev pic off some code from the ROM on the Acer and work some magic.
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NVIDIA provides full-featured drivers for their SOC which the original equipment manufacturers (OEM) apply to their devices. The OEM enables/disables various driver features and tests their operation. If bugs/problems are revealed with the drivers, the OEM consults with NVIDIA which may cause NVIDIA to generate another driver. It is an iterative process. Even the latest NVIDIA driver for ICS for the Tegra2 AP20H has known bugs. I think the NVIDIA driver problems is what's partly to blame for the delayed release of ICS for phones with that SOC.

Just a reminder that people are forgetting that the Tegra 2 in our phones is a completely different chip than a Tegra 2 elsewhere. Numerous phones have ICS with a Tegra 2 chip working fine, but those are not ones that use the same chip as ours.

Thanks for that clarification guys! Makes more sense now! :good:
Well sucks for LG then because this doesn't really encourage me to purchase another LG device in the future.