I use my HD2 to bring files to and from work. I really want a WP7 but I wanted to make sure I could still utilize it this way. I saw that Microsoft and PocketNow do not recommend using the registry hack that allows the USB Mass Storage mode on your PC, but I wanted to find out a little more info about it. All references to the USB Mass Storage registry hack talk about being able to move your Music, Videos, etc., but none say whether or not you can move other files types and how the Zune PC software reacts to those unexpected file types.
So before I go and buy a device that I can't use how I need to, I have a few questions for someone who has a WP7 that could test it out for me. My questions are:
1. My work PC does not have (and will not allow me to install) Zune software on it. Will this hack work on a PC that does not have the Zune PC software?
2. Can you put any type of file onto the storage device, meaning not just Zune recognized media files? If so, what happens to those files the next time you sync with the Zune PC software?
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
Check this post out. The thing I have to warn you about is that you will still need Zune to be installed as it most likely loads most of the drivers and automated installation necessary for your phone to be recognized by your machine. This hack simply lets you view your phone as more than a sync-able Zune device.
agreed with vetvito. i think the best thing to do is merely just to buy a usb stick. they're reasonably cheap and tend to be attachable to keys. if not that, a portable harddrive.
vetvito said:
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
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I know it is not a Mass Storage device, but the registry hack enables it to be. I am asking if you could put a non-media file on the phone using a PC, then pick it back up on a different PC.
denizen08 said:
Check this post out.
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This just references the same registry hack that ny original post references.
The Gate Keeper said:
agreed with vetvito. i think the best thing to do is merely just to buy a usb stick. they're reasonably cheap and tend to be attachable to keys. if not that, a portable harddrive.
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I own a USB drive. That is not the solution I am looking for. I do not want to carry around two devices.
vetvito said:
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
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Actually it's no and yes.
Zune must be installed, but you can use the hack to transport on the phone any files you want. Zune will simply ignore files that are not in the expected directories or which it doesn't understand.
tai4de2 said:
Actually it's no and yes.
Zune must be installed, but you can use the hack to transport on the phone any files you want. Zune will simply ignore files that are not in the expected directories or which it doesn't understand.
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Okay so I'm halfway there. What does Zune PC software provide that enables the ability to use Mass Storage? Is there a way to bypass it? Possibly some registry entries and/or drivers?
“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.” -Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
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“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.” -Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore
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Most everyone here at XDA who is interested in WP7 has already read that quote from Microsoft. You keep saying it's not a mass storage device... I know that. There is a Windows registry edit that allow the phone to become mass storage which has direct access to the media folders in the phone.
truffle1234 said:
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
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The point you're missing is that I would like to have a WP7 device... and I don't want to have to carry around an extra piece of hardware in order to move files to and from work. My work blocks Skydrive so using the cloud is not a viable solution for me. I can't keep emailing files to and from my phone in order to get files to and from it.
I can't get a WP7 until I can figure out how to give me access to use it as Mass Storage. I don't want to put files on there and then use them in WP7... I just need a way to transport files from one computer to another without using the cloud.
Saying, "just get a flash drive" is not a solution. And by the way, I'm going to get 2 for 1 on contract with T-Mobile and it'll be $199.99 for two phones. It will not cost me $500.
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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Most everyone here at XDA who is interested in WP7 has already read that quote from Microsoft. You keep saying it's not a mass storage device... I know that. There is a Windows registry edit that allow the phone to become mass storage which has direct access to the media folders in the phone.
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Mass Storage implies storing any type of file, that is not safe on WP7, and thus why its not allowed. This mode you are referring to is only for media files, and no it is not allowing the phone to become mass storage. You are making the PC think a mass storage device is connected.
Why do the reg trick if you need Zune, that defeats the purpose.
001mic said:
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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Wow. Just... wow. Ever heard of owning more than one USB cable? Don't know about you but I'm willing to spend $3.00 to make this not a problem.
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Mass Storage implies storing any type of file, that is not safe on WP7, and thus why its not allowed. This mode you are referring to is only for media files, and no it is not allowing the phone to become mass storage. You are making the PC think a mass storage device is connected.
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This is why I am asking the question. I want to find out if it's safe, what the implications are, etc. Can you tell me why it's not safe?
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Why do the reg trick if you need Zune, that defeats the purpose.
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Precisely why I asked what Zune does to the system to make Windows recognize it as Mass Storage, meaning what drivers and/or registry edits does it perform to get it to see the device as storage. Since I can't install Zune at work, I'd like to know if it's possible to get it to do it with just some driver patches and registry edits.
I still don't get it. I have a micro sd usb stick that is about the size of a pencil eraser. Why is this hard to carry?
But, no, right now, there is no way to use a wp7 device as a mass storage device without the help of zune installation, so I guess you are stuck on 6.5
Guys, why are you offensive again?
He asks about something, and you're only answer is "but why do you want it?"
Is it the only thing you can say?
The "safe" argument is pretty bull****, it's basically MS which wants you to use MS software and stuff, rather than just be completely free.
There's no "danger". It's rather a strategy more than anything else.
There was never any "unsafe" file which would do any harm to my device.
And about a device = mass storage:
Mass storage has many great implications, and this is the reason to have it.
Mass deleting/applying files of different types PC - Device.
Drag and drop is the best way to do it.
Today if I buy a new phone and want to simply transfer all data to this one from my previous one, I SIMPLY put it there. Done.
Instead, Zune will deal with your media but documents NO, you have to download them from Skydrive, where you UPLOADED them before. And once you get another WP7 device you download them AGAIN.
So mass storage is NOT about replacing memory stick.
It's about simple way of transferring data.
That is so simple. Why don't you get it?
001mic said:
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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I'm with this guy, just get the USB drive. Yea it's more convenient, but there nothing like a cheap USB stick. I have one my keychain and never notice it and don't seem to understand the problem you have about not wanting two devices. Plus, using a USB stick is more professional than plugging a cable to the computer from the phone.
-Just my opinion
doministry said:
Guys, why are you offensive again?
He asks about something, and you're only answer is "but why do you want it?"
Is it the only thing you can say?
The "safe" argument is pretty bull****, it's basically MS which wants you to use MS software and stuff, rather than just be completely free.
There's no "danger". It's rather a strategy more than anything else.
There was never any "unsafe" file which would do any harm to my device.
And about a device = mass storage:
Mass storage has many great implications, and this is the reason to have it.
Mass deleting/applying files of different types PC - Device.
Drag and drop is the best way to do it.
Today if I buy a new phone and want to simply transfer all data to this one from my previous one, I SIMPLY put it there. Done.
Instead, Zune will deal with your media but documents NO, you have to download them from Skydrive, where you UPLOADED them before. And once you get another WP7 device you download them AGAIN.
So mass storage is NOT about replacing memory stick.
It's about simple way of transferring data.
That is so simple. Why don't you get it?
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In this case tough, he just wants it for the memory stick replacement.
I'm right with you that, if it were up to me to choose, I would probably implement it, but to not buy the device because you have to carry around the stick - this I can not understand.
That's of course just my opinion. Maybe he should buy a Android than.
I don't see why anyone would want to use a WP7 phone to transfer files instead of using a tiny USB stick on your keychain. For a start, you would have to sacrifice a bunch of space on your phone so you have room for the files you want to transport. With plenty of people moaning about the lack of space on WP7 phones, why would you want to keep Gigabytes of storage unused just in case you want to move some files around? It makes no sense.
You should be filling your phone up with media, games etc. USE THE SPACE!
I've had a 32GB USB memory stick hanging off my keychain for a while now and it's no bother at all. I can just plug it into the work PC and hey presto I can copy files around to my heart's content. Why on Earth would I want to bother with a bloody great USB cable? What a pain!
This obsession with using a WP7 phone as a memory stick is absolutely baffling! I get the impression it's a case of "I wanna do it 'cos I can" which isn't really a reason at all, is it?
And saying you can't be bothered to "carry two devices" is ridiculous - your choice is;
A) Carry your WP7 phone and a tiny keyfob on your house keys
B) Carry your WP7 phone and a bloody great USB cable
And you're saying choice A is more hassle? Eh?!
Incidentally I have several USB keyfobs lying around doing nothing - let me have your address and I'll bung you one in the post. They were all sent to me by mates who used them to send me wedding photos.
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Hello,
I have a HTC G1 and I couldn't get the windows recognize the device. Guess it needs a driver before I can install apps to test it on the phone. I was referred to this forum by someone in the Android Developers forum. Do you guys have any insight?
Thanks,
mdashali
mdashali said:
Hello,
I have a HTC G1 and I couldn't get the windows recognize the device. Guess it needs a driver before I can install apps to test it on the phone. I was referred to this forum by someone in the Android Developers forum. Do you guys have any insight?
Thanks,
mdashali
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you have one? like sitting in front of you and you can touch it? and to answer question it doesnt sync with computer it syncs with google over the air...
Yes, it was right in front of me a few minutes go. It has gone for a walk around other cubes.
Won't you need to have some connectivity with the PC to use the ADB?
If by "ADB" you mean contacts, all that is sync'd with Google online. Nothing has really been said about connectivity with any desktop PCs yet.
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If by "ADB" you mean contacts, all that is sync'd with Google online. Nothing has really been said about connectivity with any desktop PCs yet.
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I have developed an application using the emulator and now wanted to test on the device. How can I load it on the phone? Could you explain the process?
Thanks.
You already have a jump on most of us by actually *having* the phone. A micro-SD card would probably be your best bet.
I have one too, and am having the same USB connectivity problems. The SD card shows up as a USB Mass Storage Device. It wants another driver for what it says is "Android Device".
According to what we've heard so far (here and on tmonews) that's exactly what's expected to happen.
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Yes, it was right in front of me a few minutes go. It has gone for a walk around other cubes.
Won't you need to have some connectivity with the PC to use the ADB?
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how is it possible if g1 release is on oct 22nd?
from all the press releasinfo and various blogs, its beenreported a fe hundred times that the G1 will not sync in any way, shape, or form ith a pc. This also means that youcan not try to install any app on the device through a pc like you can with a pocket pc. You will been to dr the instal file over to the storage card on the G1 and install it from there.
Also, if you actually have the devi, I'm sure all of us here on the site would love to see a detailed video of it. I know we've all seen the dozen from a few weeks ago, but there's still a lot tt was not shown.
nickmgray said:
from all the press releasinfo and various blogs, its beenreported a fe hundred times that the G1 will not sync in any way, shape, or form ith a pc. This also means that youcan not try to install any app on the device through a pc like you can with a pocket pc. You will been to dr the instal file over to the storage card on the G1 and install it from there.
Also, if you actually have the devi, I'm sure all of us here on the site would love to see a detailed video of it. I know we've all seen the dozen from a few weeks ago, but there's still a lot tt was not shown.
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yes vid please!! also nick is right your best bet is to probably upload it to your sd card and then put it back into the phone and install from there...if not we should start working on a sync program or something such as this
If i had mine already i would have posted all kinds of info and pictures on it. If you truely have one which i don't see how you could then put us out of our misery and share the wealth lol.
USB mass storage ?
I thought that the phone shows up as a usb mass storage device when plugged into win, mac or linux boxes via USB. Is that not true?
According to the user manual, the SD card shows up as a mass-storage device via USB. It doesn't say anything about the phone's memory.
Stop thinking winmo, guys Why write a sync application when it's drag-and-drop in the first place?
this is true....as far as adding music and whatever else you like you should be able to just drop in onto the sd card right? the only thing that people are needing a sync if for the exchange?
stats555 said:
If i had mine already i would have posted all kinds of info and pictures on it. If you truely have one which i don't see how you could then put us out of our misery and share the wealth lol.
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I have one because of some GOOG connection. I will post a video in a few minutes. I will be glad to give you what ever information you need on the phone that I can access. For those skeptics, here is a picture with the current time showing... http://www.shakechillis.com-a.googlepages.com/
beartard said:
According to the user manual, the SD card shows up as a mass-storage device via USB. It doesn't say anything about the phone's memory.
Stop thinking winmo, guys Why write a sync application when it's drag-and-drop in the first place?
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I found this post in google http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/b9f5ddc77af39239
I put the binary folder into the SD card under /download. Now I don't know how to access the SD card and launch the application.
If i could only have it for just 3 hours. I would love to open up the phone dissect it, and later see if we can get it into bootloader, maybe mtty.
that "android device"
I *think* that is the debug CLI (not a linux shell) called the Android Debug Bridge.
Interesting that it is client/server and runs on odd port numbers between 5555 and 5585.
http://code.google.com/android/reference/adb.html
Check out the parts about PPP over usb and SHELL under ADB commands.
mdashali said:
I have one because of some GOOG connection. I will post a video in a few minutes. I will be glad to give you what ever information you need on the phone that I can access. For those skeptics, here is a picture with the current time showing... http://www.shakechillis.com-a.googlepages.com/
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Right on man, sorry i didn't mean any disrespect i didn't think it was possible to get one early. Looks sweet, are you happy with it so far? Was wondering what kind of material the outer shell was made out of, is it rubberized or more like a plastic type material? I love the dash shell, it has a rubberized shell.
I know this should be alot easier said than done.
Basically I took a video on my phone last night of this drunk girl dancing and falling.
I want to post it to my face book.
I can't "share" it over my phone directliy to you tube
HOW do I send the file from my phone to my PC ?
This is really bugging me that I can't figure it out -- it should be alot easier, no ?
Please help.
Use the cable that came with the phone
and use the General section please..
your question is totally not about development.
Either plug your phone in using the supplied USB cable.
Use bluetooth (if your PC has it)
Or try using Dropbox, you install the Android app and the PC app and any file you place in the dropbox folder automatically gets synced with your online account.
You get 2 GB storage for free and if you use the link below you get an extra 250mb
http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTcyNTQwNTI5
drop box sends from phone to computer and vice versa ?
when i plug my phone in -- what option do I select? mass storage?
Yes, dropbox syncs both ways i use it all the time
I'm using ESTrongs FIle Manager wich add support for LAN, over Wi-Fi. You can simply add your folders in PC to share with your phone (or another PC).
When I connect the USB cable, what do I select ?
I selected USB storage -- but nothing came up in my "my computer" box
why not?
Funkadelick said:
Go **** yourself you piece of ****. Ill ask what i want where I want and I could give two ****s if you want to help me or not.
****ing ****.
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I'm wondering if ppl here still want to help a funny dumb like him =)
i think this douche bag should be banned he said Please and hes right this isnt Development like some one eles said keep the forums clean but ur an ass right and ur gonna think your crazy cuz ur behind a monitor.
LoL this thread gained me 750mb in free dropbox storage from my link.
Thanks guys
I did consider closing this thread for falling foul of the rules; however I have cleaned it up and moved it to general where the OP should get the help he seeks.
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wacky.banana said:
I did consider closing this thread for falling foul of the rules; however I have cleaned it up and moved it to general where the OP should get the help he seeks.
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Anger management apk?
use the cable or the sd card from the phone with a reader or sync software you choose
it is simple use phone cable direct OR use Bluetooth......
I wonder if that guy ever figured out he needed to install his drivers first?
First you need to plug your running Phone to your PC via Cable. Then you select "mass storage mode" and you open it in your explorer. Now you have to search a directory which is either called "media" or "videos" or "DCIM" or something similar. there you should find the video
Ok now I am about smart enough to turn my gtab on so lets start with no pretenses.
I bought the gtab because I used to use my blackberry storm as a mass storage/emailing device that my clients and customers could send me files I would use docs to go on them and then send them back out. When I was at my computer not wanting 2 sets of files I would use the bb as my mass storage seems simple worked great. Well the it department of my company took over the phone service and shut off the mass storage along in internet and well its a brick now that gets email and dials hone numbers.
I bout the gtab because I wanted to get there again. I plug the gtab in and i can see the 16gb of internal storage and can access it BUT the micro sd I can not. I know this is long winded but can anyone help me? I know I read these things and I just dont get it you say just use vegan well to me I like meet is all i can say I just do not know what your talking about! I am reading that I should "root" it? but it works for me (minus this) with out worrying about crashing and putting new patches on and this and that I tried it with a blackjack and a fuse from At&t I do not have the time i used to have when I was writing batch files in dos! The tech train has passed me by.
lil97jeeptjj said:
Ok now I am about smart enough to turn my gtab on so lets start with no pretenses.
I bought the gtab because I used to use my blackberry storm as a mass storage/emailing device that my clients and customers could send me files I would use docs to go on them and then send them back out. When I was at my computer not wanting 2 sets of files I would use the bb as my mass storage seems simple worked great. Well the it department of my company took over the phone service and shut off the mass storage along in internet and well its a brick now that gets email and dials hone numbers.
I bout the gtab because I wanted to get there again. I plug the gtab in and i can see the 16gb of internal storage and can access it BUT the micro sd I can not. I know this is long winded but can anyone help me? I know I read these things and I just dont get it you say just use vegan well to me I like meet is all i can say I just do not know what your talking about! I am reading that I should "root" it? but it works for me (minus this) with out worrying about crashing and putting new patches on and this and that I tried it with a blackjack and a fuse from At&t I do not have the time i used to have when I was writing batch files in dos! The tech train has passed me by.
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You do know that it doesn't come with a micro SD card, right?
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You do know that it doesn't come with a micro SD card, right?
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Yes I took the 16gb out of the bb and put it into the gtab. i can open all my files on the tab using the file explorer thing i figured out how to find the folder rather then it being a "drive"
lil97jeeptjj said:
Yes I took the 16gb out of the bb and put it into the gtab. i can open all my files on the tab using the file explorer thing i figured out how to find the folder rather then it being a "drive"
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I think you were originally asking if you'd be able to see the external microsd card from your pc over usb? I think you can't at least not w stock TNT, not yet. I'm not sure if any of the other ROMs do either.
As an alternative, ESFileExplorer can see Windows and smb/samba shares over network, so you can move files to/from /sdcard2 that way.
HTH...
Jim
jimcpl said:
I think you were originally asking if you'd be able to see the external microsd card from your pc over usb? I think you can't at least not w stock TNT, not yet. I'm not sure if any of the other ROMs do either.
As an alternative, ESFileExplorer can see Windows and smb/samba shares over network, so you can move files to/from /sdcard2 that way.
HTH...
Jim
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Thanks Jim that is what i was asking...while i dont understand alot of what you said i think the gist is that i would have to use my computer to store the files and then send them to the gtab from the computer not be able to use the gtab as a thumbdrive with the bonus of emailing...i hope that someone will figure this out soon! I want to buy the case with a keyboard and dump the laptop traveling every week it would be great to only carry my gtab! then plug into any computer hotel/client/contractor any and have a full comp if i need it.
lil97jeeptjj said:
Thanks Jim that is what i was asking...while i dont understand alot of what you said i think the gist is that i would have to use my computer to store the files and then send them to the gtab from the computer not be able to use the gtab as a thumbdrive with the bonus of emailing...i hope that someone will figure this out soon! I want to buy the case with a keyboard and dump the laptop traveling every week it would be great to only carry my gtab! then plug into any computer hotel/client/contractor any and have a full comp if i need it.
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No. What I was suggesting is kind of the reverse of what you said.
Try this:
- on a windows machine share one of the drives
- on gtab, start es file explorer
- on upper right, press local button, and select LAN
- you get empty page
- press menu
- press New--> Server
- enter hostname or ip, etc
-after that press on icon for server
You would see the drive you shared earlier. Now you can move files from you gtab to the shared drive or from the shared drive to you gtab, but you have to do it by operating the gtab.
Jim
jimcpl said:
No. What I was suggesting is kind of the reverse of what you said.
Try this:
- on a windows machine share one of the drives
- on gtab, start es file explorer
- on upper right, press local button, and select LAN
- you get empty page
- press menu
- press New--> Server
- enter hostname or ip, etc
-after that press on icon for server
You would see the drive you shared earlier. Now you can move files from you gtab to the shared drive or from the shared drive to you gtab, but you have to do it by operating the gtab.
Jim
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Thanks again Jim but it seems with this method I would have to send the file to my comp open it with say word or excel and edit it and send it back to Gtab. I will eventually screw this up lol. AND I still have to carry my laptop or netbook. what about putting a thumbdrive on the gtab would that work? I dont even have one to try tonight. I would then I guess be able to use that on all computers would I be able to get a file from my webmail sever and download it direct to the thumbdrive? I really appreciate the help here.
lil97jeeptjj said:
Thanks again Jim but it seems with this method I would have to send the file to my comp open it with say word or excel and edit it and send it back to Gtab. I will eventually screw this up lol. AND I still have to carry my laptop or netbook. what about putting a thumbdrive on the gtab would that work? I dont even have one to try tonight. I would then I guess be able to use that on all computers would I be able to get a file from my webmail sever and download it direct to the thumbdrive? I really appreciate the help here.
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Yes, flash or even USB harddrives work, but only FAT32, and have to be only 1 partition (think).
It'll show up as /usbdisk on gtab.
Jim
P.s. there are Apps in market that can view and/or edit office docs, spreadsheets, and even ppts.
Jim
jimcpl said:
P.s. there are Apps in market that can view and/or edit office docs, spreadsheets, and even ppts.
Jim
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I dont have market because i havent "rooted" it i think thats what i would have to do BUT i do have docs to go from datav so I can edit them.
Currently when connected to your PC, you can only access the internal storage. The G Tab has 16gb of internal storage, why not use that for storage? If you want to put it into your microsd you could always use USB microsd card adapter. Current software does not mount the microsd but hopefully this can be fixed in a software update.
You can always transfer from internal storage to microsd from within the tablet also using ES File Explorer.
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Currently when connected to your PC, you can only access the internal storage. The G Tab has 16gb of internal storage, why not use that for storage? If you want to put it into your microsd you could always use USB microsd card adapter. Current software does not mount the microsd but hopefully this can be fixed in a software update.
You can always transfer from internal storage to microsd from within the tablet also using ES File Explorer.
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And sometimes we miss the forest for the trees....I dont know how I missed that lol.
However does this effect performance at all if say I fill up 14gb with documents and scans?
Hi there!
I'm a long-time Android user (since December 2009) and have watched some videos / read about Windows Phone 7 and found it pretty interesting at first glance. More than anything else, it's UI speed and smoothness right out of the box, it's minimalism and integration. The thing is, after I dug deeper, found some information in some sites/threads of XDA that kept me thinking if the OS is right for me.
I have had a Motorola Milestone and after it, a Samsung Galaxy S which is the one that I'm using right now (with an Android 2.3.5 custom rom).
I was decided to sell my SGS and buy a Motorola Atrix, most of all because of it's dual-core processor (and apparent nice smoothness right out of the box), resolution and HDMI-out with the bundled cable. Now I wanted to try the Samsung Focus, which is almost the same as my SGS hardware wise, but the apparently more optimized OS would make it's use a nicer experience.
The thing is, I've read quite a lot and made a list of some things and doubts about WP7 and Mango, and would like to know if after getting some answers I could finally decide what to do with my money. The Atrix is almost 200usd over the Focus, at least from what I have seen (have to buy it unlocked to use it in Argentina).
That was a WAY TOO LONG introduction, so now, the questions:
1) Is it true that there's no mass-storage mode when you plug it into a PC? You depend exclusively on the Zune app?
2) And linked to the previous one: I use linux (more precisely Ubuntu) on my main computer. Is that going to be a problem with file transfer and other stuff? I am forced to use a Windows PC?
3) Is there a way to stop the data transfer from my carrier? I don't want it to connect to internet other than by Wi-Fi when I don't ask for it.
4) Can the OS be set in a language and the keyboard prediction in a different one? Does the keyboard vibrate on keypress?
5) Can the contacts be synchronized with the GMail contacts as you do it on Android?
6) Can you make visible in contacts only the ones with a phone number added?
7) Since there's no notification light and the screen is a Super Amoled as the one in the SGS, is there an application like NoLED in Android, which allows you to use the screen as notification light?
8) Is there a free GPS app that uses offline maps? (I would prefer the ones of Garmin or Tomtom, but I'm open to alternatives)
9) Is it true that when you change the SD Card you have to format everything/hard reset the phone? Or just the memory? And if you happen to know, why is that requiered?
10) Are you forced to reduce quality of the videos you transfer to the phone because it doesn't support many formats? It's because of the "tie-ness" to Zune/lack of mass storage? Is there something similar happening with music?
11) Vibrate and ring at the same time, is it possible? (Read somewhere it wasn't). And what about adding custom ringtones?
12) I come from Android and know how easy it is to root the phone and expand your possibilities. Is there something similar in WP7? Is it worth the effort or it's still not widely used? I read something about lock/relock, has it something to do with this matter? Or with the use of downloaded paid apps?
I guess that's it for now. The thing is, the first 3 or 4 questions are deal-breakers to me if the answer is negative. I have read some stuff but I got confused between the release info, the post-NoDo and the post-Mango info, so I really don't get where are things at the moment. I really appreciate the time you spent reading all this and thank you for just doing it (and I'm sorry if some things aren't clear enough since english is not my native language). If you can help me by answering at least one of the questions, I'm already grateful
Thanks in advance.
Cheers!
jmtast said:
1) Is it true that there's no mass-storage mode when you plug it into a PC? You depend exclusively on the Zune app?
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More or less: There are some tricks how you can use your phone as mass stroage but not offically. So Zune is nearly a must-have
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2) And linked to the previous one: I use linux (more precisely Ubuntu) on my main computer. Is that going to be a problem with file transfer and other stuff? I am forced to use a Windows PC?
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I guess so.
But you will maybe able to get a VM running that bridges the usb port...
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3) Is there a way to stop the data transfer from my carrier? I don't want it to connect to internet other than by Wi-Fi when I don't ask for it.
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Yeah, easy to stop it. It's a option in the settings.
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4) Can the OS be set in a language and the keyboard prediction in a different one? Does the keyboard vibrate on keypress?
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You can switch between selected languages every time! Without going to the settings... It doesn't vibrate on mine, Dunno if you can enable it...
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5) Can the contacts be synchronized with the GMail contacts as you do it on Android?
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I think it's possible cuz there's a special option for adding a gmail account (but don't be angry if it's not possible cuz I nver tried it)
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6) Can you make visible in contacts only the ones with a phone number added?
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You can filter them by account (so hide all facebook accounts would maybe do the trick or so) but I think it's not possible the other way round
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7) Since there's no notification light and the screen is a Super Amoled as the one in the SGS, is there an application like NoLED in Android, which allows you to use the screen as notification light?
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Never seen anything like that...
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8) Is there a free GPS app that uses offline maps? (I would prefer the ones of Garmin or Tomtom, but I'm open to alternatives)
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There are some... Most of them use OSM/Google/Bing...
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9) Is it true that when you change the SD Card you have to format everything/hard reset the phone? Or just the memory? And if you happen to know, why is that requiered?
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Yes, it's true cuz wp7 has a raid 0 with the internal memory and the sd...
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10) Are you forced to reduce quality of the videos you transfer to the phone because it doesn't support many formats? It's because of the "tie-ness" to Zune/lack of mass storage? Is there something similar happening with music?
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You can set the music quality (kbit/s). And I never noticed any loss when I transfer a video via zune...
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11) Vibrate and ring at the same time, is it possible? (Read somewhere it wasn't). And what about adding custom ringtones?
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Yes, that's all possible...
jmtast said:
12) I come from Android and know how easy it is to root the phone and expand your possibilities. Is there something similar in WP7? Is it worth the effort or it's still not widely used? I read something about lock/relock, has it something to do with this matter? Or with the use of downloaded paid apps?
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Yes, you need a dev unlock to send apps from your pc to your phone for example... And there various other possibilities like Registry Editor, Apps with Interop etc. So it's quite useful to "root" your device...
Hope that helps you....
Just for info: I'm using an HD2 with Mango... So all the info is for mango only
based on your first 2 questions, I really suggest you stick with android.
WP7 is relying on the Zune Software and there's no Linux sollution. There's a mac sollution by MS, but not sure if it'll work in linux.
If your main PC is running Linux, you'd either have to always reboot into windows or try finding a VM sollution, which could easily introduce new problems.
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based on your first 2 questions, I really suggest you stick with android.
WP7 is relying on the Zune Software and there's no Linux sollution. There's a mac sollution by MS, but not sure if it'll work in linux.
If your main PC is running Linux, you'd either have to always reboot into windows or try finding a VM sollution, which could easily introduce new problems.
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Agree with this. Windows Phone is great but not for a linux guy like you and the extent of customization available on Android is NOT available on wp7.
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Yes, it's true cuz wp7 has a raid 0 with the internal memory and the sd...
99% sure this is incorrect? Yes you cant just hot-swap cards like you can in Andriod, but this being due to WP7 doing RAID 0 (or any RAID for that matter) must be incorrect???....
I use RAID 0, 1 and 5 on various computers but I cant see ANY phone having RAID capabilities?...Someone correct me if I am wrong as this would be big news to me. Not that I can see it being usefull on any mobile device.
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Thanks a lot for the fast, kind and useful answers guys.
I guess that, as Localhorst86 said, the OS has some limitations that I simply cannot avoid. It's a pity because I was really interested in trying this UI's approach, but gonna have to wait a bit more to see if they support Linux and evolve in some other areas.
Will start looking for the Atrix as I originally planned then.
Best regards.
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I use RAID 0, 1 and 5 on various computers but I cant see ANY phone having RAID capabilities?...Someone correct me if I am wrong as this would be big news to me. Not that I can see it being usefull on any mobile device.
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I think it's actually more akin to an NTFS spanned volume than a hardware-based RAID 0, but practically speaking, yes, it does create a single logical volume that spans the internal + SD card memory, which is why it needs to be reformatted if you swap a card in/out.
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I think it's actually more akin to an NTFS spanned volume than a hardware-based RAID 0, but practically speaking, yes, it does create a single logical volume that spans the internal + SD card memory, which is why it needs to be reformatted if you swap a card in/out.
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more of a JBOD than a RAID, then.
Anway, I don't know how ms achieved the link between the sd card and the nand memory. And I do know that's not hardware raid 'cause the hd2 has no such controller on board
And yes it's JBOD but I can't tell you how the software layer controls them....
I have two things I need to be able to do: mount as mass storage and use ad hoc WiFi. Does anyone have an idea how to do either of these things?
Pretty sure the first one isn't going to happen since this device uses media transfer protocol.
I know that, but it is a standard Android feature, I believe, and there is a hidden setting for it (albeit that does nothing), so it seems there should be some way, root or hack or whatever, to make it work.
You'll probably have to wait and see what developers are able to do with the tab. I'd also like move to SD to be enabled somehow/.
In the meantime, I've been using FTPDroid instead of connecting MTP. So, I have another question: does anyone know how to mount (on Win7) an FTP folder as a local disk drive? That would serve my purposes for now.
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In the meantime, I've been using FTPDroid instead of connecting MTP. So, I have another question: does anyone know how to mount (on Win7) an FTP folder as a local disk drive? That would serve my purposes for now.
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Off the top of my head best thing I can think of is a shortcut to your ftp folder?
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Better than MTP, but not fully functional. I can't always freely open/save files in all applications, and I can't run portable apps.
Does anyone know if this is available on any other ROM's out there or is this just something that's not going to happen because if so I'm just going to return it.
This is just absolutely ridiculous. Why would they take this basic functionality away? What the heck? The only tablet i've been happy with on battery life and now I can't sync crap how I used to. Now I have to install the clunky unorganized CRAP software Kies? NOT going to happen.
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Inferiorates me how they built such a nice piece of hardware with such a stupid limitation.
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Does anyone know if this is available on any other ROM's out there or is this just something that's not going to happen because if so I'm just going to return it.
This is just absolutely ridiculous. Why would they take this basic functionality away? What the heck? The only tablet i've been happy with on battery life and now I can't sync crap how I used to. Now I have to install the clunky unorganized CRAP software Kies? NOT going to happen.
/rant
Inferiorates me how they built such a nice piece of hardware with such a stupid limitation.
/rant #2
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USB mass storage is impossible with the newest version of android. Previously, Android devices would partition it's flash memory (or have separate memory altogether) to organize its file system. This allowed one partition to be unmounted so it could be controlled by another device. The downside to this was that some andriod devices would indicate they were full before actually reaching the storage limit. To remedy this problem 4.0 treats the entire memory as a unified partition and under the control of the andriod OS. As long as the system is running the storage cannot be unmounted.
Since the memory cannot be unmounted the USB mass storage protocol will not work. MTP was introduced as the new file transfer protocol.
So the short answer is no; it will never be "fixed" because MTP is an improvement on the old andriod file system.