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Hi again guys!
Ever since the ATT update usb connecting to the phone in ubuntu is sporadic and unreliable. I can usually get my photos off of it. Sometime I can even get into a non-root basic filesystem as well
However this isn't my main problem. I want to root the phone and install custom ROM's etc... Tried the VMware and a version of windows and installed the samsung drivers to XP but have trouble (again) with the usb and VMware.
Any help would be appreciated.
Additionally I'm pretty pissed off about the update thing. I don't care about tethering per se but that underhanded **** is why I dumped microsoft in the first place. I'll dump ATT too and spend my money elsewhere.
maskvp said:
Hi again guys!
Ever since the ATT update usb connecting to the phone in ubuntu is sporadic and unreliable. I can usually get my photos off of it. Sometime I can even get into a non-root basic filesystem as well
However this isn't my main problem. I want to root the phone and install custom ROM's etc... Tried the VMware and a version of windows and installed the samsung drivers to XP but have trouble (again) with the usb and VMware.
Any help would be appreciated.
Additionally I'm pretty pissed off about the update thing. I don't care about tethering per se but that underhanded **** is why I dumped microsoft in the first place. I'll dump ATT too and spend my money elsewhere.
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Linux user here. I haven't had the problems you describe. I have lately been using ES File Explorer to copy to and from a shared folder on my desktop. avoiding the USB for file transfers all together. when I do connect via USB I usually use ' adb push' and 'adb pull' to move files around.
To Root your phone there is an 'update.zip' method that I used (no computer needed)
There is also a tool called ClockworkMod Recovery that you can use to install custom rom's and create nandroid backups. (no computer needed)
And finally if you manage to screw up and can not boot, you can use Heimdall on linux like you would use Odin on Windows.
enjoy your phone...
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Thank-you so much!!!
I was thinking about exactly what you wrote. Why not do it the linux way? Admittedly my skills are weak.
Had a little trouble with the update.zip but went to the wiki (again) and the info on how to do it from the phone was there. BTW the wiki has improved since last week.
Rooted phone and installed Titanium Backup and Clockwork Recovery. In my excitement I deleted all the ATT bloatware before backing them up and the ROM. Oh well... Too bad.
Now I just feel great about my phone. Needs some customization but no hurry. Only thing was that TB prompted me to go to settings/applications/ and tick "unknown sources". Doesn't exist.
Thanks again! If you have anymore nuggets of info...?
linux newb here but i try
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the phone can mount to a vm in dowload mode for use with odin or in kies mtp mode as long as debugging is off, otherwise it likes to mount to the host pc as a drive, i dont know a work around but you can make the phone a shared folder with the vm client so you can see the files in the vm, it'll be seen as a network location in that case.
it can mount as a drive in linux but you need to select to mount from the phone. i was having problems with it in eclair in windows and didnt try it in linux but froyo is working great. in eclair it may help to try with debugging on then you can mount from the notification bar.
maskvp said:
Rooted phone and installed Titanium Backup and Clockwork Recovery. In my excitement I deleted all the ATT bloatware before backing them up and the ROM. Oh well... Too bad.
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I did that also...
maskvp said:
Now I just feel great about my phone. Needs some customization but no hurry. Only thing was that TB prompted me to go to settings/applications/ and tick "unknown sources". Doesn't exist.
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To enable side loading(unknown sources). I used method 5 from this post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738376
and here is a link to my comments on the method later in the thread regarding some punctuation corrections.
This method uses adb from the SDK to pull the settings.db file off and edit it using sqlite3 before pushing it back on.
I believe you can edit the file directly on your phone once you have root and install a terminal app from the marketplace.
The above forum post is also in the wiki you referenced previously. basically you want to look for methods to "enable side loading"
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I'm using Ubuntu and have had no problems. Rooted and removed market restrictions without a hitch.
In progress upgrading to 10.10 64bit. Will see, but right now my machine sees my phone but it won't mount. Though I haven't tried to force it.
maskvp said:
In progress upgrading to 10.10 64bit. Will see, but right now my machine sees my phone but it won't mount. Though I haven't tried to force it.
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On the phone I leave my usb settings set to ask on connection. And then chose 'mass storage' when it asks. It then mounts /sdcard as an external drive. (make sure you haven't left usb debuging on)
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On the phone I leave my usb settings set to ask on connection. And then chose 'mass storage' when it asks. It then mounts /sdcard as an external drive. (make sure you haven't left usb debuging on)
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Oh I've tried it all-wichaways! That hasn't worked either. The card(s) are seen but no longer mount like they used to. When I choose media player I get this message on the phone: PC connection only available in idle screen. Close all running applications. I think something may be corrupted on the phone.
Before I start flashing anything I'm going to give 10.10 a go. Ubuntu specifies that 10.10 plays nice with Android. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble with my startup disks and have wasted three of them on three different downloads. Won't fully boot. Unfortunately, I've had this experience before with other releases, and it almost always was something being wrong with the .iso that was downloaded. Even tried a usb startup and same experience.
Woes. PITA!
maskvp said:
I've had this experience before with other releases, and it almost always was something being wrong with the .iso that was downloaded. Even tried a usb startup and same experience.
Woes. PITA!
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Make sure you burn your disks at a slow speed. Like 4x. Also try downloading over a stable wired connection. Use the md5 tool to check your download and your burn. If you can figure out when it is getting corrupt you have a fighting chance.
Reporting back. Finally got 10.10 to boot from a usb flashdrive by disabling the BootParameters. I guess 10.10 is so cutting edge my 2.5 yo toshiba can't boot it easily.
Reinstalled 10.04 without a hitch and since I didn't format my /home still kept everything. But I tried connecting by usb before any updates. No worky. And not after the 256M of updates either.
It's the phone I'm sure. Not really keen on flashing the ROM yet just to fix this. Recollection is that Samsung didn't put a good effort into this part of the phone. But I think again..
Why not eschew the usb for file transfers? I've got Bluetooth and wifi right here. Who needs clunky old usb? Adhoc network?
Ideas? Wifi would be easiest since my laptop doesn't have Bluetooth.
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Ideas? Wifi would be easiest since my laptop doesn't have Bluetooth.
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I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I use an app called ES File Explorer (free in the market) to navagate to a shared folder on my desktop.
My (samba) shared folder has no restrictions and works well. Only issue is I have to fix ownership and permissions on things copied over to the computer from the phone. If you choose to password protect yours let me know how that works out for you.
pietro_spina said:
I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I use an app called ES File Explorer (free in the market) to navagate to a shared folder on my desktop.
My (samba) shared folder has no restrictions and works well. Only issue is I have to fix ownership and permissions on things copied over to the computer from the phone. If you choose to password protect yours let me know how that works out for you.
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OK thanks. I'm going to investigate this. I take it ESFE works over the 3g connection as long as the host (my laptop) is connected to the internet?
maskvp said:
OK thanks. I'm going to investigate this. I take it ESFE works over the 3g connection as long as the host (my laptop) is connected to the internet?
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It supports FTP for sure. I'm no security expert but I doubt its a good idea to share a samba share over the internet.
If you want remote access to you desktop there are secure methods for that. The method I would choose would depend on my desire/need for a remote connection.
If I just want to access my shared folder I would probably set up a VPN connection and then use ES FileExplorer.
To fully control the computer, use VNC or other "remote desktop" application.
Been reading up on Samba. It is the linux way lol. Also, I went and got a Bluetooth micro-adapter. Installed drivers from the repository.
Transferred some pics and music back and forth. All GUI based. Worked first time. I'm still this side of the learning curve but my base needs are met.
The Bluetooth works great but I'd like to learn a bit more about the wifi. Seems to me one should be able to move files with a VPN via the wireless adapters and no router. I just lack the knowledge and skill to do it.
But thanks for reminding me about the ES FileExplorer! As far as the permissions in Ubuntu for the shared folder I just checked the box under right-click- sharing options allow others to create and delete files from this folder. I think that works.
I use my HD2 to bring files to and from work. I really want a WP7 but I wanted to make sure I could still utilize it this way. I saw that Microsoft and PocketNow do not recommend using the registry hack that allows the USB Mass Storage mode on your PC, but I wanted to find out a little more info about it. All references to the USB Mass Storage registry hack talk about being able to move your Music, Videos, etc., but none say whether or not you can move other files types and how the Zune PC software reacts to those unexpected file types.
So before I go and buy a device that I can't use how I need to, I have a few questions for someone who has a WP7 that could test it out for me. My questions are:
1. My work PC does not have (and will not allow me to install) Zune software on it. Will this hack work on a PC that does not have the Zune PC software?
2. Can you put any type of file onto the storage device, meaning not just Zune recognized media files? If so, what happens to those files the next time you sync with the Zune PC software?
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
Check this post out. The thing I have to warn you about is that you will still need Zune to be installed as it most likely loads most of the drivers and automated installation necessary for your phone to be recognized by your machine. This hack simply lets you view your phone as more than a sync-able Zune device.
agreed with vetvito. i think the best thing to do is merely just to buy a usb stick. they're reasonably cheap and tend to be attachable to keys. if not that, a portable harddrive.
vetvito said:
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
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I know it is not a Mass Storage device, but the registry hack enables it to be. I am asking if you could put a non-media file on the phone using a PC, then pick it back up on a different PC.
denizen08 said:
Check this post out.
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This just references the same registry hack that ny original post references.
The Gate Keeper said:
agreed with vetvito. i think the best thing to do is merely just to buy a usb stick. they're reasonably cheap and tend to be attachable to keys. if not that, a portable harddrive.
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I own a USB drive. That is not the solution I am looking for. I do not want to carry around two devices.
vetvito said:
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
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Actually it's no and yes.
Zune must be installed, but you can use the hack to transport on the phone any files you want. Zune will simply ignore files that are not in the expected directories or which it doesn't understand.
tai4de2 said:
Actually it's no and yes.
Zune must be installed, but you can use the hack to transport on the phone any files you want. Zune will simply ignore files that are not in the expected directories or which it doesn't understand.
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Okay so I'm halfway there. What does Zune PC software provide that enables the ability to use Mass Storage? Is there a way to bypass it? Possibly some registry entries and/or drivers?
“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.” -Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
vetvito said:
“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.” -Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore
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Most everyone here at XDA who is interested in WP7 has already read that quote from Microsoft. You keep saying it's not a mass storage device... I know that. There is a Windows registry edit that allow the phone to become mass storage which has direct access to the media folders in the phone.
truffle1234 said:
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
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The point you're missing is that I would like to have a WP7 device... and I don't want to have to carry around an extra piece of hardware in order to move files to and from work. My work blocks Skydrive so using the cloud is not a viable solution for me. I can't keep emailing files to and from my phone in order to get files to and from it.
I can't get a WP7 until I can figure out how to give me access to use it as Mass Storage. I don't want to put files on there and then use them in WP7... I just need a way to transport files from one computer to another without using the cloud.
Saying, "just get a flash drive" is not a solution. And by the way, I'm going to get 2 for 1 on contract with T-Mobile and it'll be $199.99 for two phones. It will not cost me $500.
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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Most everyone here at XDA who is interested in WP7 has already read that quote from Microsoft. You keep saying it's not a mass storage device... I know that. There is a Windows registry edit that allow the phone to become mass storage which has direct access to the media folders in the phone.
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Mass Storage implies storing any type of file, that is not safe on WP7, and thus why its not allowed. This mode you are referring to is only for media files, and no it is not allowing the phone to become mass storage. You are making the PC think a mass storage device is connected.
Why do the reg trick if you need Zune, that defeats the purpose.
001mic said:
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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Wow. Just... wow. Ever heard of owning more than one USB cable? Don't know about you but I'm willing to spend $3.00 to make this not a problem.
vetvito said:
Mass Storage implies storing any type of file, that is not safe on WP7, and thus why its not allowed. This mode you are referring to is only for media files, and no it is not allowing the phone to become mass storage. You are making the PC think a mass storage device is connected.
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This is why I am asking the question. I want to find out if it's safe, what the implications are, etc. Can you tell me why it's not safe?
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Why do the reg trick if you need Zune, that defeats the purpose.
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Precisely why I asked what Zune does to the system to make Windows recognize it as Mass Storage, meaning what drivers and/or registry edits does it perform to get it to see the device as storage. Since I can't install Zune at work, I'd like to know if it's possible to get it to do it with just some driver patches and registry edits.
I still don't get it. I have a micro sd usb stick that is about the size of a pencil eraser. Why is this hard to carry?
But, no, right now, there is no way to use a wp7 device as a mass storage device without the help of zune installation, so I guess you are stuck on 6.5
Guys, why are you offensive again?
He asks about something, and you're only answer is "but why do you want it?"
Is it the only thing you can say?
The "safe" argument is pretty bull****, it's basically MS which wants you to use MS software and stuff, rather than just be completely free.
There's no "danger". It's rather a strategy more than anything else.
There was never any "unsafe" file which would do any harm to my device.
And about a device = mass storage:
Mass storage has many great implications, and this is the reason to have it.
Mass deleting/applying files of different types PC - Device.
Drag and drop is the best way to do it.
Today if I buy a new phone and want to simply transfer all data to this one from my previous one, I SIMPLY put it there. Done.
Instead, Zune will deal with your media but documents NO, you have to download them from Skydrive, where you UPLOADED them before. And once you get another WP7 device you download them AGAIN.
So mass storage is NOT about replacing memory stick.
It's about simple way of transferring data.
That is so simple. Why don't you get it?
001mic said:
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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I'm with this guy, just get the USB drive. Yea it's more convenient, but there nothing like a cheap USB stick. I have one my keychain and never notice it and don't seem to understand the problem you have about not wanting two devices. Plus, using a USB stick is more professional than plugging a cable to the computer from the phone.
-Just my opinion
doministry said:
Guys, why are you offensive again?
He asks about something, and you're only answer is "but why do you want it?"
Is it the only thing you can say?
The "safe" argument is pretty bull****, it's basically MS which wants you to use MS software and stuff, rather than just be completely free.
There's no "danger". It's rather a strategy more than anything else.
There was never any "unsafe" file which would do any harm to my device.
And about a device = mass storage:
Mass storage has many great implications, and this is the reason to have it.
Mass deleting/applying files of different types PC - Device.
Drag and drop is the best way to do it.
Today if I buy a new phone and want to simply transfer all data to this one from my previous one, I SIMPLY put it there. Done.
Instead, Zune will deal with your media but documents NO, you have to download them from Skydrive, where you UPLOADED them before. And once you get another WP7 device you download them AGAIN.
So mass storage is NOT about replacing memory stick.
It's about simple way of transferring data.
That is so simple. Why don't you get it?
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In this case tough, he just wants it for the memory stick replacement.
I'm right with you that, if it were up to me to choose, I would probably implement it, but to not buy the device because you have to carry around the stick - this I can not understand.
That's of course just my opinion. Maybe he should buy a Android than.
I don't see why anyone would want to use a WP7 phone to transfer files instead of using a tiny USB stick on your keychain. For a start, you would have to sacrifice a bunch of space on your phone so you have room for the files you want to transport. With plenty of people moaning about the lack of space on WP7 phones, why would you want to keep Gigabytes of storage unused just in case you want to move some files around? It makes no sense.
You should be filling your phone up with media, games etc. USE THE SPACE!
I've had a 32GB USB memory stick hanging off my keychain for a while now and it's no bother at all. I can just plug it into the work PC and hey presto I can copy files around to my heart's content. Why on Earth would I want to bother with a bloody great USB cable? What a pain!
This obsession with using a WP7 phone as a memory stick is absolutely baffling! I get the impression it's a case of "I wanna do it 'cos I can" which isn't really a reason at all, is it?
And saying you can't be bothered to "carry two devices" is ridiculous - your choice is;
A) Carry your WP7 phone and a tiny keyfob on your house keys
B) Carry your WP7 phone and a bloody great USB cable
And you're saying choice A is more hassle? Eh?!
Incidentally I have several USB keyfobs lying around doing nothing - let me have your address and I'll bung you one in the post. They were all sent to me by mates who used them to send me wedding photos.
Hi there!
I'm a long-time Android user (since December 2009) and have watched some videos / read about Windows Phone 7 and found it pretty interesting at first glance. More than anything else, it's UI speed and smoothness right out of the box, it's minimalism and integration. The thing is, after I dug deeper, found some information in some sites/threads of XDA that kept me thinking if the OS is right for me.
I have had a Motorola Milestone and after it, a Samsung Galaxy S which is the one that I'm using right now (with an Android 2.3.5 custom rom).
I was decided to sell my SGS and buy a Motorola Atrix, most of all because of it's dual-core processor (and apparent nice smoothness right out of the box), resolution and HDMI-out with the bundled cable. Now I wanted to try the Samsung Focus, which is almost the same as my SGS hardware wise, but the apparently more optimized OS would make it's use a nicer experience.
The thing is, I've read quite a lot and made a list of some things and doubts about WP7 and Mango, and would like to know if after getting some answers I could finally decide what to do with my money. The Atrix is almost 200usd over the Focus, at least from what I have seen (have to buy it unlocked to use it in Argentina).
That was a WAY TOO LONG introduction, so now, the questions:
1) Is it true that there's no mass-storage mode when you plug it into a PC? You depend exclusively on the Zune app?
2) And linked to the previous one: I use linux (more precisely Ubuntu) on my main computer. Is that going to be a problem with file transfer and other stuff? I am forced to use a Windows PC?
3) Is there a way to stop the data transfer from my carrier? I don't want it to connect to internet other than by Wi-Fi when I don't ask for it.
4) Can the OS be set in a language and the keyboard prediction in a different one? Does the keyboard vibrate on keypress?
5) Can the contacts be synchronized with the GMail contacts as you do it on Android?
6) Can you make visible in contacts only the ones with a phone number added?
7) Since there's no notification light and the screen is a Super Amoled as the one in the SGS, is there an application like NoLED in Android, which allows you to use the screen as notification light?
8) Is there a free GPS app that uses offline maps? (I would prefer the ones of Garmin or Tomtom, but I'm open to alternatives)
9) Is it true that when you change the SD Card you have to format everything/hard reset the phone? Or just the memory? And if you happen to know, why is that requiered?
10) Are you forced to reduce quality of the videos you transfer to the phone because it doesn't support many formats? It's because of the "tie-ness" to Zune/lack of mass storage? Is there something similar happening with music?
11) Vibrate and ring at the same time, is it possible? (Read somewhere it wasn't). And what about adding custom ringtones?
12) I come from Android and know how easy it is to root the phone and expand your possibilities. Is there something similar in WP7? Is it worth the effort or it's still not widely used? I read something about lock/relock, has it something to do with this matter? Or with the use of downloaded paid apps?
I guess that's it for now. The thing is, the first 3 or 4 questions are deal-breakers to me if the answer is negative. I have read some stuff but I got confused between the release info, the post-NoDo and the post-Mango info, so I really don't get where are things at the moment. I really appreciate the time you spent reading all this and thank you for just doing it (and I'm sorry if some things aren't clear enough since english is not my native language). If you can help me by answering at least one of the questions, I'm already grateful
Thanks in advance.
Cheers!
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1) Is it true that there's no mass-storage mode when you plug it into a PC? You depend exclusively on the Zune app?
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More or less: There are some tricks how you can use your phone as mass stroage but not offically. So Zune is nearly a must-have
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2) And linked to the previous one: I use linux (more precisely Ubuntu) on my main computer. Is that going to be a problem with file transfer and other stuff? I am forced to use a Windows PC?
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I guess so.
But you will maybe able to get a VM running that bridges the usb port...
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3) Is there a way to stop the data transfer from my carrier? I don't want it to connect to internet other than by Wi-Fi when I don't ask for it.
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Yeah, easy to stop it. It's a option in the settings.
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4) Can the OS be set in a language and the keyboard prediction in a different one? Does the keyboard vibrate on keypress?
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You can switch between selected languages every time! Without going to the settings... It doesn't vibrate on mine, Dunno if you can enable it...
jmtast said:
5) Can the contacts be synchronized with the GMail contacts as you do it on Android?
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I think it's possible cuz there's a special option for adding a gmail account (but don't be angry if it's not possible cuz I nver tried it)
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6) Can you make visible in contacts only the ones with a phone number added?
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You can filter them by account (so hide all facebook accounts would maybe do the trick or so) but I think it's not possible the other way round
jmtast said:
7) Since there's no notification light and the screen is a Super Amoled as the one in the SGS, is there an application like NoLED in Android, which allows you to use the screen as notification light?
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Never seen anything like that...
jmtast said:
8) Is there a free GPS app that uses offline maps? (I would prefer the ones of Garmin or Tomtom, but I'm open to alternatives)
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There are some... Most of them use OSM/Google/Bing...
jmtast said:
9) Is it true that when you change the SD Card you have to format everything/hard reset the phone? Or just the memory? And if you happen to know, why is that requiered?
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Yes, it's true cuz wp7 has a raid 0 with the internal memory and the sd...
jmtast said:
10) Are you forced to reduce quality of the videos you transfer to the phone because it doesn't support many formats? It's because of the "tie-ness" to Zune/lack of mass storage? Is there something similar happening with music?
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You can set the music quality (kbit/s). And I never noticed any loss when I transfer a video via zune...
jmtast said:
11) Vibrate and ring at the same time, is it possible? (Read somewhere it wasn't). And what about adding custom ringtones?
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Yes, that's all possible...
jmtast said:
12) I come from Android and know how easy it is to root the phone and expand your possibilities. Is there something similar in WP7? Is it worth the effort or it's still not widely used? I read something about lock/relock, has it something to do with this matter? Or with the use of downloaded paid apps?
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Yes, you need a dev unlock to send apps from your pc to your phone for example... And there various other possibilities like Registry Editor, Apps with Interop etc. So it's quite useful to "root" your device...
Hope that helps you....
Just for info: I'm using an HD2 with Mango... So all the info is for mango only
based on your first 2 questions, I really suggest you stick with android.
WP7 is relying on the Zune Software and there's no Linux sollution. There's a mac sollution by MS, but not sure if it'll work in linux.
If your main PC is running Linux, you'd either have to always reboot into windows or try finding a VM sollution, which could easily introduce new problems.
Localhorst86 said:
based on your first 2 questions, I really suggest you stick with android.
WP7 is relying on the Zune Software and there's no Linux sollution. There's a mac sollution by MS, but not sure if it'll work in linux.
If your main PC is running Linux, you'd either have to always reboot into windows or try finding a VM sollution, which could easily introduce new problems.
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Agree with this. Windows Phone is great but not for a linux guy like you and the extent of customization available on Android is NOT available on wp7.
chabun said:
Yes, it's true cuz wp7 has a raid 0 with the internal memory and the sd...
99% sure this is incorrect? Yes you cant just hot-swap cards like you can in Andriod, but this being due to WP7 doing RAID 0 (or any RAID for that matter) must be incorrect???....
I use RAID 0, 1 and 5 on various computers but I cant see ANY phone having RAID capabilities?...Someone correct me if I am wrong as this would be big news to me. Not that I can see it being usefull on any mobile device.
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Thanks a lot for the fast, kind and useful answers guys.
I guess that, as Localhorst86 said, the OS has some limitations that I simply cannot avoid. It's a pity because I was really interested in trying this UI's approach, but gonna have to wait a bit more to see if they support Linux and evolve in some other areas.
Will start looking for the Atrix as I originally planned then.
Best regards.
Jdixon85 said:
I use RAID 0, 1 and 5 on various computers but I cant see ANY phone having RAID capabilities?...Someone correct me if I am wrong as this would be big news to me. Not that I can see it being usefull on any mobile device.
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I think it's actually more akin to an NTFS spanned volume than a hardware-based RAID 0, but practically speaking, yes, it does create a single logical volume that spans the internal + SD card memory, which is why it needs to be reformatted if you swap a card in/out.
bkaul said:
I think it's actually more akin to an NTFS spanned volume than a hardware-based RAID 0, but practically speaking, yes, it does create a single logical volume that spans the internal + SD card memory, which is why it needs to be reformatted if you swap a card in/out.
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more of a JBOD than a RAID, then.
Anway, I don't know how ms achieved the link between the sd card and the nand memory. And I do know that's not hardware raid 'cause the hd2 has no such controller on board
And yes it's JBOD but I can't tell you how the software layer controls them....
hi,
I have been really frustrated with attempts to transfer media to my phone over MTP. On Ubuntu Linux - none of the methods work very well - including mtpfs, go-mtpfs, etc.
So I figured to use the method that Apple uses (tunneling TCP over USB) by way of ADB.
So I ran a ssh server on my phone (sshdroid, but anything should work), made sure that
Code:
adb devices
showed up my device, setup a port forward on my laptop using
Code:
adb forward tcp:2222 tcp:2222
, ran filezilla and connected to localhost on port 2222 and transferred all my media.
I got a 1.2 mbps transfer rate using my 2008 laptop. I am now planning to setup rsync over ssh to sync my music.
Here lies my frustration - Apple figured out the TCP over USB method almost a decade back, adb and ssh works well beautifully. Why did Google make the decision of going with MTP, as opposed to building something around SSH - which already has solved most of the problems around file transfer, mounting drives and sync.
Really frustrating.
EDIT: forgot to add that this should work for other devices like Samsung S3, Nexus 7 , etc. - but I personally have only my HOXL to test with.
- Sandeep
P.S. a longer rant on this topic here
sandys1 said:
hi,
I have been really frustrated with attempts to transfer media to my phone over MTP. On Ubuntu Linux - none of the methods work very well - including mtpfs, go-mtpfs, etc.
So I figured to use the method that Apple uses (tunneling TCP over USB) by way of ADB.
So I ran a ssh server on my phone (sshdroid, but anything should work), made sure that
Code:
adb devices
showed up my device, setup a port forward on my laptop using
Code:
adb forward tcp:2222 tcp:2222
, ran filezilla and connected to localhost on port 2222 and transferred all my media.
I got a 1.2 mbps transfer rate using my 2008 laptop. I am now planning to setup rsync over ssh to sync my music.
Here lies my frustration - Apple figured out the TCP over USB method almost a decade back, adb and ssh works well beautifully. Why did Google make the decision of going with MTP, as opposed to building something around SSH - which already has solved most of the problems around file transfer, mounting drives and sync.
Really frustrating.
EDIT: forgot to add that this should work for other devices like Samsung S3, Nexus 7 , etc. - but I personally have only my HOXL to test with.
- Sandeep
P.S. a longer rant on this topic here
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So you are essentially frustrated with the fact that you have the flexibility to discover your own solutions and that google facilitates this by providing you both a working file transfer method but the option to do it better? Honestly, I'm not sure that I would want to carry around not only my device but a USB stick with portable versions of a FTP client/adb for linux/windows/OS X just to be able to transfer files to/from in a pinch. Most OSs will be able to deal with an MTP device and this allows google to both not need to separate the space into space for your data/apps and allows for google to use ext file systems. There was some thought put into that decision believe it or not.
I just use FTP though my file browser.
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So you are essentially frustrated with the fact that you have the flexibility to discover your own solutions and that google facilitates this by providing you both a working file transfer method but the option to do it better? Honestly, I'm not sure that I would want to carry around not only my device but a USB stick with portable versions of a FTP client/adb for linux/windows/OS X just to be able to transfer files to/from in a pinch. Most OSs will be able to deal with an MTP device and this allows google to both not need to separate the space into space for your data/apps and allows for google to use ext file systems. There was some thought put into that decision believe it or not.
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Actually you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I completely understand the rationale for Google wanting to do away with MSC (yes - I have read the Dan Morrill interview as well). And I'm not proposing that you carry around ADB.
what I am fundamentally asking is the rationale to choose MTP as a protocol, when a viable and far superior alternative exists. OSes are NOT able to work with MTP effectively, because it was never intended to do what we need from our devices today.
On the other hand, most OSes already work with TCP and SSH very effectively and in an extremely highly performant way. It would have been trivial for Google to build a TCP/SSH service inside the Android core and make available client services (similar to usbmux) that would have worked seamlessly across all platforms.
I am seriously questioning the choice of MTP as a protocol, because it is not too efficient.
I don't get it, why not just mount your SD and drag and drop your files? Am I missing something here?
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sandys1 said:
Actually you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I completely understand the rationale for Google wanting to do away with MSC (yes - I have read the Dan Morrill interview as well). And I'm not proposing that you carry around ADB.
what I am fundamentally asking is the rationale to choose MTP as a protocol, when a viable and far superior alternative exists. OSes are NOT able to work with MTP effectively, because it was never intended to do what we need from our devices today.
On the other hand, most OSes already work with TCP and SSH very effectively and in an extremely highly performant way. It would have been trivial for Google to build a TCP/SSH service inside the Android core and make available client services (similar to usbmux) that would have worked seamlessly across all platforms.
I am seriously questioning the choice of MTP as a protocol, because it is not too efficient.
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I hear you. You will probably have a hard time convincing windows users that MTP is broken for them.
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z28james said:
I hear you. You will probably have a hard time convincing windows users that MTP is broken for them.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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I'm on windows and think mtp is horrible. That's why I just use ftp now if a rom opts for mtp (JB).
qwertyaas said:
I'm on windows and think mtp is horrible. That's why I just use ftp now if a rom opts for mtp (JB).
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Why not just mount as disk drive and get 5MB/sec file transfers? I don't get it?
beaups said:
Why not just mount as disk drive and get 5MB/sec file transfers? I don't get it?
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The One X does not allow you to mount your internal memory as a USB drive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Samsung S3 (even though it has a microsd ) does not allow the same.
The only way you can access data is through the phone using a protocol called MTP - it sort of pretends to mount your phone as a USB drive, but that's not what it is actually doing.
the USB drive mode is called MSC - the reason why Google decided to move away is written here
FTP and SFTP are good - You can do exactly that using the USB as the carrier (using my method) instead of the wireless network. So what you said does not make my proposal useless.
What I wanted to show was that there is a perfectly alternative way in which you can transfer files without using the wireless network (basically using the USB as a network). I am willing to stand my ground that that allows for a far superior (and much more omnipresent) protocol to transfer files. What you use on top of TCP-over-USB is upto you : SSH, SCP, FTP - all are viable.
Secondly, I like the fact that when I'm transferring all these files, my regular wifi/3g network is unthrottled.
sandys1 said:
The One X does not allow you to mount your internal memory as a USB drive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Samsung S3 (even though it has a microsd ) does not allow the same.
The only way you can access data is through the phone using a protocol called MTP - it sort of pretends to mount your phone as a USB drive, but that's not what it is actually doing.
the USB drive mode is called MSC - the reason why Google decided to move away is written here
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We all have the the One XL which does allow for our storage to be presented as a block device. The One X might be different?
z28james said:
We all have the the One XL which does allow for our storage to be presented as a block device. The One X might be different?
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I'm assuming you are on Windows.
What you are seeing is your computer talking to the phone over MTP and presenting it as a block device. If you are able to use your phone's storage (both main as well as the "/sdcard") while you are transferring content on your phone, then it is the MTP mode.
MTP not only brings bad performance, but it also doesnt work across all platforms and screws with fundamental things like timestamps.
Phones prior to the Galaxy Nexus used the MSC mode - a true block level mounting. There are some tradeoffs to that, which is why Google gave up on that.
The iPhone talks to the iTunes using a similar protocol to what I talked about in my OP - TCP over USB.
sandys1 said:
I'm assuming you are on Windows.
What you are seeing is your computer talking to the phone over MTP and presenting it as a block device. If you are able to use your phone's storage (both main as well as the "/sdcard") while you are transferring content on your phone, then it is the MTP mode.
MTP not only brings bad performance, but it also doesnt work across all platforms and screws with fundamental things like timestamps.
Phones prior to the Galaxy Nexus used the MSC mode - a true block level mounting. There are some tradeoffs to that, which is why Google gave up on that.
The iPhone talks to the iTunes using a similar protocol to what I talked about in my OP - TCP over USB.
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No, I'm not seeing that at all in windows. When I plug my phone into any linux box as well it is enumerated as a "sd" device. I'm also not able to use the storage as it is mounted. The One XL divides its internal SD card into useable space and space for apps.
This is why people are not able to understand why you have posted this here and why I'm asking if the Tegra 3 One X is perhaps different.
EDIT: It looks like the SGS 3 uses MTP.
It is enumerated as a sd device, but it is not mounted as one.
Please double check - I'm on an AT&T One XL.
MTP is the only access path.
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sandys1 said:
It is enumerated as a sd device, but it is not mounted as one.
Please double check - I'm on an AT&T One XL.
MTP is the only access path.
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I just mounted my phone's storage on my laptop running Slackware 14.
Showed up as a SCSI attached storage disk.
fdisk shows it as a block device. In my case sdc.
sdc mounted as vfat.
No fuse, no MTP.
On windows my Nexus 7 uses MTP. My One X shows up as an actual block device. The disk manager even sees it as a block device.
z28james said:
I just mounted my phone's storage on my laptop running Slackware 14.
Showed up as a SCSI attached storage disk.
fdisk shows it as a block device. In my case sdc.
sdc mounted as vfat.
No fuse, no MTP.
On windows my Nexus 7 uses MTP. My One X shows up as an actual block device. The disk manager even sees it as a block device.
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Oh - now I see what the confusion was. The HTC spoofs the MSC mode using a partition on a single disk. Read about it here. And these are some of the problems that may occur if you continue to use it as mass storage.
I would recommend that you transfer using MTP or over the network using FTP or through my method. I'm really unsure about the mass storage path.
However, what I talked about still stands - Google has moved away from mass storage completely and switched to MTP (HTC is doing a few tricks to make this easy for us)
MTP sucks.
One word: AirDroid.
Why even bother physically connecting your phone to USB anymore when you can use apps such as AirDroid (and many other apps) to get great speeds wirelessly regardless of platform? All you need is the App installed and any browser.
sandys1 said:
Oh - now I see what the confusion was. The HTC spoofs the MSC mode using a partition on a single disk. Read about it here. And these are some of the problems that may occur if you continue to use it as mass storage.
I would recommend that you transfer using MTP or over the network using FTP or through my method. I'm really unsure about the mass storage path.
However, what I talked about still stands - Google has moved away from mass storage completely and switched to MTP (HTC is doing a few tricks to make this easy for us)
MTP sucks.
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Why can you not just accept the fact that htc includes an excellent usb interface. It's fast and stable in "disk drive" mode. Whether it's "spoofed", "faked" or whatever you want to call it, it works great, and across all platforms.
Actually I don't think it's spoofed at all considering I can write to it in direct disk access mode in WinHex.
Anyhow, they actually did quite a bit with the usb stack. USB tethering, USB network pass-through, and Disk-Drive mode are all HTC features that I sorely miss on my MTP SGS3.
I have not seen a single user complain about Disk Drive mode. It works great.
Nothing to see here, move along....
I hate mtp and miss mass storage mode from the hox
You can.
We can't. Truly.
This thread is for all of those users like me on Linux or OSX who are having trouble with transferring content.
I wouldn't have made this thread if it didn't affect us.
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I'm aware, that only a few of my comrades in
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Y may be aware of this issue, and change since the migration to android 11. To help illustrate to you I recently, thru google takeout, downloaded my 45+gb gp music library, all to which it's destiny was sd card storage (as chosen thru my Chrome Browser settings). After all files were unzipped and transferred , the available storage space on my sd card hadn't charged! So yes, my sd card is OK too, as affirmation to one of the replies I received earlier stating since gaining Android 11 rhey hadn't seen any changes. And by ok, you nust mean the sd card doesn't unmount itself at will, or randomly throw-up an error msg like, "sd file corruption detected," just for giggles!
As stated earlier, only a handful of folks I know over on discord's SamCentral are aware of this change, so there's been little discussion of file allocation tables & tweaks, i.e., formatting FAT 32(or that's the current default)idk...this isn't my field but imo, I think they're saying currently everything is being shifted to external stg. '0' which is the common ground for all or most of Android O/S's, thus "arming" their decision with the "no purchase necessary" routine. Fact is, most folks don't require more than half-a-gig or more of on-board mobile device storage. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."(RIP Mr. Spock, Leonard Nimoy). So,, if this smells like a patch of sorts to you, why haven't we heard anything, and when can some of us expect to get our money's worth for our sd card purchase(mine, 256gb = $100, in Spring of '19). Some of the "fake-news" spreaders over there(lol) are saying the most recent samsung shifts to Microsoft based apps/services & cross-syncing is the root of the cause, and they're probably getting closer to plotting a solution now that the big hill has been championed(ref. to And. 11 + One UI 3.0-no project completion)! I miss the functionality of not being able to use an interface I paid for!
(If any of this I've shared here fact-cks.out to be valid, and I become a hero of sorts, does this mean I may gain some of that XDA "street-cred" and snag a couple of likes)?!
tarHeel71 said:
This actually was a thought of mine shortly after being sworn-in as a beta-tester for Samsung's One UI 3.0h-no, last fall.
Is there a different format process for my sd card now with Android 11(and if so, why was I not consulted)?
Any guidance or insight on my query would be great. Carry on!
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I updated to 11 and UI 3.0 about a week ago and not having any issues with my sdcard. Only problem I have is that my battery usage as more than doubled even after a FDR.
tarHeel71 said:
This actually was a thought of mine shortly after being sworn-in as a beta-tester for Samsung's One UI 3.0h-no, last fall.
Is there a different format process for my sd card now with Android 11(and if so, why was I not consulted)?
Any guidance or insight on my query would be great. Carry on!
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What exactly is the issue here? Not formatted? Can't see specific data? I went through the whole beta and now on release and my SD card is "exactly" the same as before with the exception that some apps can't see other apps' directories which is a "feature" from Google.
Compusmurf said:
What exactly is the issue here? Not formatted? Can't see specific data? I went through the whole beta and now on release and my SD card is "exactly" the same as before with the exception that some apps can't see other apps' directories which is a "feature" from Google.
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The real obvious missing link to me was, for instance, when I'm signed in and surfin on my browser(Chrome, Samsung Internet, etc) and I save/download a file, it doesn't actually get saved on the physical sd card like it did before, rather, the o/s leaves the file in a limbo state of sorts, with whatever browser app!? I got my n20u1_5G back in 9/20, so while on Q if I saved, d/led a file i.e., using Chrome, I would go thru my Files then sd, then Android, then data, then find chrome(com.google.shrome), and there she is!
But, since beta school, whilst on 11, I do my Lil routine(as b-4), and when I goto Android then data, there's nothing, no app files(google or Samsung, as there were b-4)!? I hope I'm explaining the deal well enough here, as I couldn't be alone with this issue! Anyone using a stg card knows what I'm saying that isn't to be seen anymore! I'm using the same 250gb (high-end) Samsung card as b4, when I purchased my handset thru b-buy.com last fall(see jpg).
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"Android, then data, then find chrome(com.google.shrome), and there she is!"
BINGO. Yeah, that's NOT happening any more. Those folders are now SECURED from any other apps viewing them. Only the owning app can view. The files are probably there, nice and safe.
Right now I know of 3 ways to view them. Total commander file manager in the app store filed the appropriate request to google for "total access" and you can view them if you hook your phone up to a computer. The 3rd way is quite a bit uglier requiring you to make an activity to a legacy file manager that google accidentally left in android 11 but hid. I'd have to dig around a lot to find those instructions again.
It's called "SCOPED STORAGE"... Go read about it and cry.... I know I did.
So, NO, you aren't going nutz based on this. However, that doesn't preclude other ways to go nutz!!!!
Compusmurf said:
"Android, then data, then find chrome(com.google.shrome), and there she is!"
BINGO. Yeah, that's NOT happening any more. Those folders are now SECURED from any other apps viewing them. Only the owning app can view. The files are probably there, nice and safe.
Right now I know of 3 ways to view them. Total commander file manager in the app store filed the appropriate request to google for "total access" and you can view them if you hook your phone up to a computer. The 3rd way is quite a bit uglier requiring you to make an activity to a legacy file manager that google accidentally left in android 11 but hid. I'd have to dig around a lot to find those instructions again.
It's called "SCOPED STORAGE"... Go read about it and cry.... I know I did.
So, NO, you aren't going nutz based on this. However, that doesn't preclude other ways to go nutz!!!!
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Thanks for the reply...I've heard bits/pieces in talks with geek friends, and I appreciate your expertise here on this topic! But, why aren't the bytes getting gobbled -up(like when viewing sd card stg. available from the pull--down menu or from device care app)? I downloaded nearly 45 gb of audio files to my sd card, with absolutely no change there, but you see the stg reduction to internal storage. For what benefit, to them , google? Or just more of the ongoing sparing the two of 'em are constantly a part of! lol/smh