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I decided to write this review to warn others from dealing with paypal, they have charged me before completing the registration process, and after charging me they have asked for me to fax them extra documents that I don't have, I told them that I don't have that documents, and I asked them to find an alternative way, they replied stupidly asking the same question, I called them and wasted my money on international calls, every one of their rude employees gave me different answers. at the end I asked them to close my account, they refused, they said that the cannot close the account neither they can activate it if I don't send them the faxed papers. Simply they are either stupid or they were stealing me. I still couldn’t get my money back, but I had to cancel my credit card because they had a continuous access on it, and that cost me allot also. There should be a law to watch such companies...
You watch your money, and don't trust those companies that call themselves as a company for your own security; it is a company that will have a full access to your credit card... I lost much with my registration trial with Paypal (www.paypal.com) be careful from this company.
Not my experience. I had to fax them papers on my credit card, if I remember correctly. But that wasn't a problem after that. I think it was a bank statement. I use PayPal almost every week to buy from eBay.
perhaps its because you live in what is considered quite a dodgy country by many others?
all ive had to do with paypal, and ive been using them for years, is enter my card and bank details online, they performed a chargeback on my account of $1 and i had to enter the reference that showed on my bank statement
Paypal has always worked very well for me. From what I remember, I gave them my bank account information and then they made three small deposits. To verify, I had to let them know the amounts of those three deposits. Now, 100's of transactions later, I am a veteran and still highly satisfied. Sorry you had an unfavorable experience.
Ok... Maybe you had some good experience there, but I advice you all to have a look on this site (www.nopaypal.com) and also you may search Google for other peoples reviews on this issue... in the site I gave here, you will find too many stories that are simillar to mine..
they also say that with paypal things goes fine until you face a small silly problem, then you start to suffer, one of them says, that he sold an item for a specific amount of money and after he recieved the payment to paypal they have limited his account and he cannot get him money from them until now !!
read and see how they deal with people,
if you think that they read those fax papers then you are mistaken, someone says that he faked the papers and faxed them and things went fine, where is the security in that? you can steal a card number and fake the fax paper, the more secure way was the $1.95 decuction and verifying it by the 4 pin number, I did that but they didn't satisfy with it, they are like machines, they Don't have minds to use and think, when I be honest with them and tell them that I don't have such a paper, they reply saying: "we are still waiting for the fax" like robots....
the main problem there is that they are not trained to handle problems, when you have a problem then you are stuck there....
one more important issue that i have mentioned: how come they have charged me before verifying my card, they claim that they limited my account because they cannot verify my account, then what if I stole that card, why did they charge the real owner then? they should have asked for all of the papers they needed then they could start charging, that is really silly, common people search google and have a look on www.nopaypal.com, there are books talking about paypal's cheating, you can read everyday a new story there... if you had a good experience with them then this is not meaning that they are good, it is just you are lucky that you didn't face any problem yet!
Okay, let's get real here.
What documents would they ask for that a card owner wouldn't have? Why don't you have the documents?
The domain name, NoPaypal.com, was registered back in 2001 in order to drum up support for a class action lawsuit. Yep, that person had a bad experience when Paypal was new. The "Bash Paypal Bandwagon" was in full force several years ago. You are a little late.
If I stopped using every service/vendor that someone had a bad experience with, I'd have to stop using everything.
If I go to a restaurant that sucks, I don't go back. Don't run around like chicken little yelling "the sky is falling".
they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name, so this is realistic, if you don't like to believe that they are theievs then you are free, keep dealing with them , everyone is free in this life, I just liked to warn the other people and give an advice, so take my advice or leave it, but don't regret later!!
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they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name
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so you have a bank in a country were you dont live, no way you can confirm your current and previous addresses and you are complaining that paypal wont deal with you!!!!!
good! im glad paypal wont deal with you, if you were to rip me off, what could i do about it? i couldnt find out where you live or where you bank.
wake up, smell the coffee, get yourself a bank and a real address that you own and pay your way in, then maybe, just maybe youll have some financial credibility
jeesh!
dont tell me... you are nigerian and you have $1 200 419 that you need to invest, but your governmnt charges too much tax.........................
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you people thing yourself something?? huh..
work your mind a little bit, I dont have to give you all the details, dump yourself and deal whoever you like to, I just wrote my experience, and as I said before you are free to get the advice or leave it,
are you working for paypal guys? you appear to be from UK? by the way I am not nigerean and I do not care about you or the companies in your country, if you want to realy talk about ropping people, then read carefully my story and see how paypal took the money before even getting the fax, then what if really I was ropping someone's card? why did they charge him before getting sure? I was ropped by paypal and didn't get my money back yet.... maybe you cannot think wide.. it is your problem, that is why in your country we always hear such stories, but thanks God we don't have much like those stories from local companies, you even didn't use your mind to look at the flag near my name and your wide imagination lead you to nigeria, cool
for your information, my bank is now handling the case with this stupid paypal company, I respect my bank and I am very happy of their fast reaction against what paypal did, I wont be posting any further details about this topic in this forum cuz it looks like the people here are to fight not to get advices and advice others, you could have read it and either propose me a solution for my problem like someone who did in other forum, or you could just close that page, but you prefer to defend paypal, they probably from your way of defending, you are one of them !
Good luck for the good people..
the reference to nigeria was a joke, the clue was in the monetary amount, for someone so concerned about scams, im surprised youve never heard of the "nigerian 419" scam
google it
btw, i know what country your flag is from, i said as much in my first reply when i politely commented on the fact that many businesses in the world may not trust doing business with people from that country, hence the requests for additional verification of who you are.
the fact that you bank in another country and have no id relating to where you live really makes it of no surprise that they dont want to deal with you.
they charged US$1.95....... not exactly fraud of the century is it?
after sending one item paypal says..international shipment
We are sorry for the delay in transferring the money that was paid by Katrina Baral into your PayPal account. We hereby inform you that the money that we are ordered to transfer into your PayPal account (€180.00 EUR) is too Small for us to transfer into your PayPal account due to International Transfer Limit from our PayPal Transfer Department Unit and the new Policy of our PayPal. So the real amount that can reach your account from our PayPal Transfer Desk start from €400.00 EUR upward. we contacted Katrina Baral about this situation to make an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account.
We are happy to tell you that Katrina Baral have made an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account which is already deducted from the buyer account. It's already confirmed and approved by us which means the total amount of €400.00 EUR is approved and it is ready to be credited into your PayPal account TODAY. So we think we can sort the problem out by you sending the Excess Fund. Katrina Baral ask us to tell you to help him send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and use the extra €20.00 EUR for the western union charges and for your transportation.
You are advised now to go to any western union Outlet/Office and send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and get back to us with the western union details so we can verify and get your account credited without any further delay.
Ok, so the problem I'm having is that EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to buy an app that's not in the USA, my bank blocks the transaction because it's foreign. As the majority of the apps I'm interested in are European, this presents a MAJOR problem. Why is it so hard to buy apps, and why hasn't Google thought of a solution to this by now? On the ios appstore, I've never had a transaction blocked even once.
Is there a solution to this? Apparently my bank isn't willing to do some sort of "If it's under $10, we'll allow the transaction regardless" agreement. -_-
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Ok, so the problem I'm having is that EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to buy an app that's not in the USA, my bank blocks the transaction because it's foreign. As the majority of the apps I'm interested in are European, this presents a MAJOR problem. Why is it so hard to buy apps, and why hasn't Google thought of a solution to this by now? On the ios appstore, I've never had a transaction blocked even once.
Is there a solution to this? Apparently my bank isn't willing to do some sort of "If it's under $10, we'll allow the transaction regardless" agreement. -_-
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The problem is with your bank, get foreign transactions authorised.
until you get the problem sorted why not use applanet? Then when the problem is sorted you can just buy them from the market
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The problem is with your bank, get foreign transactions authorised.
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He is right...and it is a very simple phone call to your bank. When I say simple, I mean a maze of queues that never end and when you finally get to talk to a real human, they need to transfer you. But once you get to the right person, simple.
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He is right...and it is a very simple phone call to your bank. When I say simple, I mean a maze of queues that never end and when you finally get to talk to a real human, they need to transfer you. But once you get to the right person, simple.
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Y'alls banks must be great because, as I have already said, my bank won't do something like that. I've asked and suggested, and nothing.
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Y'alls banks must be great because, as I have already said, my bank won't do something like that. I've asked and suggested, and nothing.
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They won't allow you to make international purchases at all? What if you went on holiday?
Time to change banks.
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They won't allow you to make international purchases at all? What if you went on holiday?
Time to change banks.
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Well, they have "traveling mode", but that just unblocks everything and basically opens you up to all sorts of fraud.
Two things seem extremely stupid to me:
1) Google doesn't centralize payments -- this would eliminate the problem altogether. Apple does this, so Google should be able to as well. It's not like this is a 3rd-party market.
2) My bank doesn't have some sort of "under $5" note that they can put on my account to allow any small-amount foreign transactions with no problem. If I had to travel and didn't have time to notify my bank, I'd be completely screwed whenever I got to my destination.
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Well, they have "traveling mode", but that just unblocks everything and basically opens you up to all sorts of fraud.
Two things seem extremely stupid to me:
1) Google doesn't centralize payments -- this would eliminate the problem altogether. Apple does this, so Google should be able to as well. It's not like this is a 3rd-party market.
2) My bank doesn't have some sort of "under $5" note that they can put on my account to allow any small-amount foreign transactions with no problem. If I had to travel and didn't have time to notify my bank, I'd be completely screwed whenever I got to my destination.
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I can find loads of posts relating to restrictions on apple's appstore, where people aren't actually able to buy apps from other countries, even if they're both in Europe.
Don't you have fraud protection?
If I noticed that there was a dubious transaction on my account I'm able to call the bank and have them investigate.
Chances are they'll phone me up regarding it as soon as it happens (had that the first time I bought a € app from the appstore), and if it's fraud and I hadn't been irresponsible with my pin number, they'll refund the money.
What about using prepay CC ?
I can get prepay CC $10,$20,.... etc. at my PostOffice and use that.
I was trying to purchase game. Cytus to be exact. It's a cool music game and I wanted the full version for lyk $2. Now here's my problem. I have to use my debit/credit card to purchase it. My Google Play Credit has been declined. Or at least that's what it says when I try to purchase the game. It's just this game I'm seeing it with too.
I'm guessing the developer has blocked that payment method. If this is true, then what's the point of Google Play Cards if developers can block that form of payment?
Granted, I'll buy the game later this week. It's just it was bill paying week for me last week, so this college kid don't have an extra $2. That's lunch money. LoL!!
But that's all. I want to know why a developer would block Google Credit as a form of payment... Should I upload a picture?
Here's an image of my Google Credit being declined. If this is possible, then this will render Google Play Cards useless.
Thing's I've checked:
1) Made sure it was under my primary email address since I have multiple email addresses
2)Checked to see if it was the credit itself, but I can use my Google Credit to purchase other apps.
Bump. I am running into the exact same issue. I can't figure out for the life of me why it has crapped out.
The OP already stated why it was happening. Developers on the Play Store have the option to decline certain types of payments - one of which is the Google Credits. I guess there must be a reason for it - maybe a Google Credit isn't actually worth a full Dollar to the developer due to transaction fees or something?
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I'm guessing the developer has blocked that payment method. If this is true, then what's the point of Google Play Cards if developers can block that form of payment?
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The OP already stated why it was happening. Developers on the Play Store have the option to decline certain types of payments - one of which is the Google Credits.
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At no point did the OP definitively state why it was happening. He/she merely guessed at why it is happening. I'm trying to find if there's an actual reason so we can see if it can be solved or not.
Anyways, a guy on reddit was talking about his app and I was trying to buy it. Ran into the same error message. I asked him if he knew why it was happening and this is his response:
"Thanks for the feedback, as far as I read it's because Google just support multiple currencies for developers based in some countries, it doesn't support for my country yet, that makes impossible to people pay with carriers and with gift cards ... Hope they fix it soon !"
So maybe this only happens when the app's dev team is based out of certain countries that Google hasn't established all of its services/support yet. I looked the dev up on Facebook and he's in Barcelona, Spain, FWIW. It's still a guess but hey at least we have some more info.
Obviously many people have serious suspicions if this website is legit or it is just a scam, so i decided to start this thread where everyone can share his experience with this seller.
Nice!
Hopefully this site is legit and everyone can get their beloved phones on their hands...
Maybe the buyers can post something like this:
Purchase date:
Order number:
Tracking number: yes/no (no need to post the real tracking number)
Shipment status:
Purchase date:Friday 27 February, 2015
Order number:????
Tracking number: yes
Shipment status:27-02-2015 Information Received (This is not an acknowledgment of the physical receipt of the stated Registered Article)
02-03-2015 Despatched to overseas (Country code: IE)
Will add a bit more here later, watch this space
Did a bit of googling last night and found these webpages that appear to have been copied, the focalprice and everbuying pages are slow to open this morning for some reason, unless its my pc
warranty and return club http://www.club1941.com/-ezp-25.html
warranty and return Everbuying http://www.everbuying.net/m-article-id-16.html
Wholesale club http://www.club1941.com/-ezp-22.html
wholesale Focalprice http://dynamic.focalprice.com/helpinfo?currentCategoryID=31
Terms of use club club http://www.club1941.com/-ezp-21.html
Terms of use Focalprice http://dynamic.focalprice.com/helpinfo?currentCategoryID=12
RMA request club http://www.club1941.com/-ezp-18.html
Return Policy Focalprice http://dynamic.focalprice.com/helpinfo?currentCategoryID=11
About us club http://www.club1941.com/about-us-ezp-8.html
About us Everbuying http://www.everbuying.net/m-article-id-11.html
Legal window club http://www.club1941.com/-ezp-19.html
Legal window Focalprice http://dynamic.focalprice.com/helpinfo?currentCategoryID=45
General webpage construction from here?? I'm no webmaster so not sure how thats done http://www.new-supplier.com/
Re the above apparently the seller has apologized on facebook for copying some webpages so I guess thats ok then, if you say sorry then your not guilty of copyright infringement, But tell me this if they are genuine, why, after spending enormous amounts on their stock over 600 items, all apparently in stock, yet they skimp on their website and pinch other sites copyright material?
How have they come by all this stock?? the bigger established sites seem to have problems getting stocks of the Jiayu S3 3Gb version, but apparently they still hve stocks and still sending them out, and at an amazing price too, and by the way its not just this forum involved theres a couple more HERE and Here from Russia and Poland and I'm sure their are many more around the world where forum users have ordered from this site, and do you know why?? because if you google 'club1941 review' see which result comes at the top of the pile.
XDA is probably the most well known site of its kind in the world it is trusted and has an excellent reputation, and I will wager that many people have seen that review and taken it as gospel, I don't doubt the reviewer's honesty and the review of the phone seems unbiased and detailed, however the glowing review he gives of the website, without any knowledge of their history and integrity I believed has caused many to order from this site, how many of you ordered from club1941 before you saw that members posts on here? and that reviewer has admitted he received payment for that review in the form of a refund of his payment for the Jiayu S3 3 gb that he purchased from clu1941.
I realise that I'm probably p**sing into the wind and most of you will just wait and see what comes in the post, and more will probably order, tempted by the unrealistic prices, as I was.
And I wouldnt be at all surprised if the first few packages to arrive are genuine, that's not unheard of.
I'm not an expert on paypal and their ways, so if you have any queries paypal related please ring them up and ask advice if you go to the contact page in your paypal account there is a free phone number there, that's in the uk anyway.
Some of you probably think I have a chip on my shoulder regarding this site, and you're probably right, I dont like people who try to steal from me, or anybody else, and I'm old enough and ugly enough not to care what people think.
Why have I only put negative stuff here?? because I cant find anything positive, prove me wrong show me something positive about this site that will give me confidence in it
Purchase 26th Feb
Order no 2339
Tracking no RF319086806SG
dispute opened 27th full refund received immediately
Shipment Status 2nd March Despatched to overseas (Country code: GB)
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Will add a bit more here later, watch this space
Purchase 26th Feb
Order no 2339
Tracking no RF319086806SG
dispute opened 27th full refund received immediately
Shipment Status 2nd March Despatched to overseas (Country code: GB)
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Despatched , but full refund? More information, please!
My package sent via nl post just got its status updated to "the item is pre-advised" which means something is flying from China to Netherlands
Yeah. Something is flying for sure an that something may be many,many things.
Seems like they do ship the items.
Judging from the tracking number most likely it's from Singapore.
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Despatched , but full refund? More information, please!
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He opened a dispute because he felt it was dodgy, even after he got a tracking number
If it isn't a scam, why would the seller accepted dispute immidiatelly without canceling the shippment?
They are so rich that they give Jiayu S3 3GB for free?
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Yeah. Something is flying for sure an that something may be many,many things.
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That reminds me to this:
The guy ordered 3 umi zeros and this was what came in the mail.
That immediate refund although item has been dispatched is really suspicious
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Will add a bit more here later, watch this space
Purchase 26th Feb
Order no 2339
Tracking no RF319086806SG
dispute opened 27th full refund received immediately
Shipment Status 2nd March Despatched to overseas (Country code: GB)
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What happens if/when you receive phone? Should we all start disputes once dispatched?
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He opened a dispute because he felt it was dodgy, even after he got a tracking number
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Making refund when there is clear proof that something is already sent sounds to me like pure confession of a scam by the seller?
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If it isn't a scam, why would the seller accepted dispute immidiatelly without canceling the shippment?
They are so rich that they give Jiayu S3 3GB for free?
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Why would the buyer open a dispute after he received a tracking number if the buyer isn't trying to scam the shop?
Have you ever tried going through the Paypal dispute process as a seller? It's a long and painfully drawn out process. The whole thing is completely biased towards buyers. If it was a proper and fair system theres no way oscarblue48 should have been able to open up a dispute after the tracking number was provided. This gives the seller a chance to actually send the goods, and the buyer to assess the goods before any action is taking.
Obviously these guys are new so maybe the shipping guys didn't notify the ordering guys. Hopefully they pick up the error soon enough and oscarblue48 doesn't end up scamming the shop.
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That reminds me to this:
The guy ordered 3 umi zeros and this was what came in the mail.
That immediate refund although item has been dispatched is really suspicious
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3 Umi Zero and they sent him that thing? Oh God that's so sad [emoji27]
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My package sent via nl post just got its status updated to "the item is pre-advised" which means something is flying from China to Netherlands
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can you please tell us the order date, sending date
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Why would the buyer open a dispute after he received a tracking number if the buyer isn't trying to scam the shop?
Have you ever tried going through the Paypal dispute process as a seller? It's a long and painfully drawn out process. The whole thing is completely biased towards buyers. If it was a proper and fair system theres no way oscarblue48 should have been able to open up a dispute after the tracking number was provided. This gives the seller a chance to actually send the goods, and the buyer to assess the goods before any action is taking.
Obviously these guys are new so maybe the shipping guys didn't notify the ordering guys. Hopefully they pick up the error soon enough and oscarblue48 doesn't end up scamming the shop.
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Seller had number of days to reply his dispute..they didn't do it, they didn't wait, they refunded immidiatelly as they do not care about the "picture" of Jiayu coming @oscarblue48 way. Picture with proper SG track.
IMHO
Because he wants to make money If there are any problems out there, less people will order it...
Guys, there is already the same thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3042199 Let's use it instead of this one.
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Guys, there is already the same thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3042199 Let's use it instead of this one.
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This one was specifically made to discuss how legit or not legit club1941 is. Also I don't find the price surprising since the official price from Jiayu's weibo account is 899 CNY for Basic and 999 CNY for Advanced http://www.weibo.com/jiayuyt, which would be just under $160 USD for the Advanced
we got email from google today
Important tax changes for Google Play purchases in India
Hello Google Play Developer,
Beginning July 1, 2017, due to new laws in India, Google Play will apply a Goods & Services tax (GST) to paid apps and in-app purchases made by customers in India. The tax amount will be collected and passed on to you for you to remit.
Action required: To comply with the GST law, you need to update your Settings page in the Google payments center with your Goods & Services Tax identification number (GSTIN) and other relevant information. You therefore declare that the details provided are correct, and the address and GSTIN provided are in the location where the services would be received. Additionally, you agree to reimburse Google for any GST liability (including interest and penalty) in case of any misdeclaration.
Pricing in India will be GST-inclusive. In countries with GST-inclusive pricing, prices shown on Google Play must be equal to the amount paid during payment - all taxes (including GST) must be included in the price. If you have apps targeted to India, you can sign in to your Google Play Console to review your prices for paid apps and in-app purchases in India.
To learn more, visit the Google Play Console Help Center. If you have any other questions, please consult your tax advisor. You can also reach out to [email protected].
Thanks for your continued support of Google Play,
The Google Play Team
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Email preferences: You have received this mandatory email service announcement to update you about important changes to your Google Play Developer account.
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is anybody from india got GSTIN ? how can we get it ? it is required now by google
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we got email from google today
Important tax changes for Google Play purchases in India
is anybody from india got GSTIN ? how can we get it ? it is required now by google
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Hey I am also an app developer about to release my app on Google Play & now stuck with this.
Please share, if you have any more leads on this.
Thanks
Well this is a serious issue now. I also received the same mail from Google.
I emailed Google at ([email protected]) and asked for clarification on this, but did not got the reply.
I researched a bit on GST and here are my findings:
-> If you have a business, having annual revenue of 20 Lakh per annum or above, then you need to be registered under GST.
-> Every form of online business needs to be registered under GST, irrespective of the amount of revenues generated.
The second point is worth noting. The confusion here is that whether selling apps & games on Google Play comes under "online business".
Also check out the Google Play support article https://support.google.com/payments/merchant/answer/7421525
In that article, it says
GST must be paid on Google Play Store apps and games sold to customers in India.
App or game developers based in India must pay GST
Google collects and pays GST on sales of apps and games by developers located outside India
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So as far as i understand this, we are required to get GST number. But wont need to pay GST tax because most developers in India does not make more than 20 Lakhs annually.
Anybody reading this please contribute your findings.
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Well this is a serious issue now. I also received the same mail from Google.
I emailed Google at (india-gst-questio[email protected]) and asked for clarification on this, but did not got the reply.
I researched a bit on GST and here are my findings:
-> If you have a business, having annual revenue of 20 Lakh per annum or above, then you need to be registered under GST.
-> Every form of online business needs to be registered under GST, irrespective of the amount of revenues generated.
The second point is worth noting. The confusion here is that whether selling apps & games on Google Play comes under "online business".
Also check out the Google Play support article https://support.google.com/payments/merchant/answer/7421525
In that article, it says
So as far as i understand this, we are required to get GST number. But wont need to pay GST tax because most developers in India does not make more than 20 Lakhs annually.
Anybody reading this please contribute your findings.
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I am giving links https://www.hubco.in/articles/how-g...-india-impact-of-gst-registration-on-blogging , https://blog.cleartax.in/gst-bloggers-register, which say that blogging will be considered a service & income generated through Google ads etc. will come under GST. And exemption limit of Rs. 20 lakh is not applicable for blogging services.
It certainly looks now that paid apps will come under GST as well, without Rs. 20 lakhs exemption limit.
What worries me even more is, from what I have understood is a service provider providing services outside his state will have to file seperate GST returns for each state on 10th, 15th & 20th of every month. If this is true, then we have dark times ahead for paid apps with potential users from different states in India.
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I am giving links https://www.hubco.in/articles/how-g...-india-impact-of-gst-registration-on-blogging , https://blog.cleartax.in/gst-bloggers-register, which say that blogging will be considered a service & income generated through Google ads etc. will come under GST. And exemption limit of Rs. 20 lakh is not applicable for blogging services.
It certainly looks now that paid apps will come under GST as well, without Rs. 20 lakhs exemption limit.
What worries me even more is, from what I have understood is a service provider providing services outside his state will have to file seperate GST returns for each state on 10th, 15th & 20th of every month. If this is true, then we have dark times ahead for paid apps with potential users from different states in India.
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This link https://blog.cleartax.in/gst-bloggers-register/ i found in comments section of article you posted.
ClearTax says the whole scenario for online income like Adsense and GST is unclear and does not believe GST registration is immediately required.
This is getting confusing
Wow sounds like a lot of what is going on everywhere. There are discussions right now in the states about making people need business license and pat business taxes for apps they put in the Play store.
AmJay1985 said:
Well this is a serious issue now. I also received the same mail from Google.
I emailed Google at ([email protected]) and asked for clarification on this, but did not got the reply.
I researched a bit on GST and here are my findings:
-> If you have a business, having annual revenue of 20 Lakh per annum or above, then you need to be registered under GST.
-> Every form of online business needs to be registered under GST, irrespective of the amount of revenues generated.
The second point is worth noting. The confusion here is that whether selling apps & games on Google Play comes under "online business".
Also check out the Google Play support article https://support.google.com/payments/merchant/answer/7421525
In that article, it says
So as far as i understand this, we are required to get GST number. But wont need to pay GST tax because most developers in India does not make more than 20 Lakhs annually.
Anybody reading this please contribute your findings.
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AmJay1985 said:
This link https://blog.cleartax.in/gst-bloggers-register/ i found in comments section of article you posted.
ClearTax says the whole scenario for online income like Adsense and GST is unclear and does not believe GST registration is immediately required.
This is getting confusing
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Yes, you are correct. I did not go through this properly.
I now wonder if GST authorities are themselves clear on how to approach this scenario
I received response for a query raised to Google & Google itself has no idea whether GSTIN is required or not :
"It is also important to know that due to recent changes in the GST law in India, if you are a developer in India, you will need to determine if you need to charge tax on sales to buyers in India or not.
In this regard, we highly recommend for you to reach out to a qualified tax specialist to determine if you are legally required to obtain GSTIN or not. Hence, if you are required to obtain GSTIN, you must input your GSTIN in your merchant account so that Google can collect taxes for you, and then, we will remit the collected taxes back to you so that you can submit it to the tax authority.
On the other hand, if you do not have a GSTIN number, you would qualify as an unregistered person. If you are not qualified to obtain GSTIN, Google would not be responsible for levy and/or collection of GST on your behalf, as per the GST Law. This means that you won't be collecting taxes from Indian customers. "
gaurav.28ch said:
Yes, you are correct. I did not go through this properly.
I now wonder if GST authorities are themselves clear on how to approach this scenario
I received response for a query raised to Google & Google itself has no idea whether GSTIN is required or not :
"It is also important to know that due to recent changes in the GST law in India, if you are a developer in India, you will need to determine if you need to charge tax on sales to buyers in India or not.
In this regard, we highly recommend for you to reach out to a qualified tax specialist to determine if you are legally required to obtain GSTIN or not. Hence, if you are required to obtain GSTIN, you must input your GSTIN in your merchant account so that Google can collect taxes for you, and then, we will remit the collected taxes back to you so that you can submit it to the tax authority.
On the other hand, if you do not have a GSTIN number, you would qualify as an unregistered person. If you are not qualified to obtain GSTIN, Google would not be responsible for levy and/or collection of GST on your behalf, as per the GST Law. This means that you won't be collecting taxes from Indian customers. "
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Well this is getting funny ...
I guess we should wait till 1st July and see what turns out.
i called toll free they dont even know about it for apps on play store on 19 june now they are not even picking call from last 5 days and they changed the toll free no. as well
there should be clear cut statements
anyway you can register for gst tax payer
https://reg.gst.gov.in/registration/
right now i am not doing till google do not send me any payment,if google says gstin is required for payment to get cashed only then i will register till then let it goes the way it is.
govt is going to implement from july 1 there toll free no keeping u online fore more than 30min then u disconnect urself
poor implementation like demonetization
i am confused is we have to register as taxpayer not practitioner on page ,there support is off
if any problem comes i will put case on government cus they did not made anything clear and i have all call recorded which keeping me lying online to wait for support and no one is picking call anymore
so chill,govt is not bigger then court
if does anyone have any info can let us know
Some more stuff on this issue on this tech website - https://factordaily.com/gst-bloggers-app-developers-no-exemption/?utm_content=buffera1c45&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer. They are also trying to keep in touch with related authorities to get more clarification.
Check this out .. https://forum.fiverr.com/t/on-gst-all-the-best-to-all-indians/159688
What a drag :/
The gst registration requires us to provide a pan id for business, which as an individual app developer, I don't have!
This makes it difficult even if we want to register. I don't think it is currently possible unless we have a registered company under which we sell apps.
Do any of you people have a registered business for publishing your apps?
craterib said:
The gst registration requires us to provide a pan id for business, which as an individual app developer, I don't have!
This makes it difficult even if we want to register. I don't think it is currently possible unless we have a registered company under which we sell apps.
Do any of you people have a registered business for publishing your apps?
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Ya its crazy that their asking for PAN number of the business. How will individual developers have a registered company???
https://plus.google.com/+DickenChristianMe/posts/239Yrq7ZN8m
There's a discussion here if you're interested...
i just want to let you know guys if you are already registered as developer before GST you are good to go,there is no need to add GSTIN number and money will come to your bank wire transfer
GST and pan is mandatory now for new registrations
GSTIN number is optional
Indian government mandates all online businesses irrespective of their net income (Rs.20 lakhs threshold doesn't suit for us). If you are selling apps through Google Play Store or Apple App Store, you need to register for GST. Once you are registered for GST, you should start collecting the tax from your customers and pay it to government. For Google Play and Apple App Store apps, we should show the price which is inclusive of the GST and then pay the GST to government. NO EXCEPTION WHATSO EVER!
Regarding the ads revenue from Google AdMob, We aren't liable to pay GST on the revenue. Since our contracting entity is Google Ireland for AdMob, the revenue is considered as export. We are doing business with just AdMob, not to its advertisers. Since we shouldn't bother about the ads that are shown in India by AdMob advertisers. GST is applicable only to the sales occurs inside India. GST is not applicable to the sales outside of India. Since we are selling the ad-spaces to Google Ireland (AdMob) which is not located in India, the revenue from AdMob is not taxable under GST even if it is more than Rs.20 lakhs.
Did any app developer register for GSTIN? If yes, what to fill in "PAN number for Business"? No leads whatsoever
siju2012 said:
Did any app developer register for GSTIN? If yes, what to fill in "PAN number for Business"? No leads whatsoever
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contact your CA he will do the job just you have to give him documents and pay some fees
BytesReverser said:
contact your CA he will do the job just you have to give him documents and pay some fees
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Thanks but I want to know what procedure he will be following? So that I can do it myself if needed. Will he be creating a business PAN?
siju2012 said:
Thanks but I want to know what procedure he will be following? So that I can do it myself if needed. Will he be creating a business PAN?
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He would've told you the procedure if he knew, instead of suggesting to contact a CA.
Don't do anything for now. There is too much confusion. Wait some more