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I know a lot of people are using quadrant to get an idea of system performance, and I did some playing the other day so I wanted to discuss what I noticed.
On monday I went into the verizon store to use my upgrade to get a new phone. Coming from the droid incredible, I was going to stay with HTC as I love sense and I love HTC phones.
so i started installing quadrant on all the phones I was interested in, the Dinc2, thunderbolt, and charge. This store also sells att phones as well, so i installed quadrant on the HTC desire and the sansung infuse.
the HTC phones all scored almost 2x as high as the samsung phones. the thunderbolt hit 1980 or some craziness, while the DCharge and the Dinfuse got about 950.
so initially i thought "wow those are slow im getting an HTC"
but then i WATCHED the quadrant run on the phones.
when pressing start at the same time on the HTC thunderbolt and the Charge, the Thunderbolt got into the graphical part of the test about 2 seconds faster. however, when you watch the framerates on the renderings, the charge is easily 2x faster. during the "walk down the hallway" part the thunderbolt was getting 15-17fps while the charge was getting 30-40, during the "dna" rendering, the thunderbolt was again about 12-15 while the samsung was in the 30s.
so.. what did that mean? I wanted to find out. I installed several live wall papers on each phone, and yup... the samsung was able to run the live wallpapers without bogging down the UI, the same live wallpaper on the thunderbolt cause sense to skip a little when switching screens.
however, i noticed that when the samsung is downloading and installing apps, it starts to become pretty laggy until the install is over.
Overall thoughts:
i think quadrant is ONLY measuring the CPU power of the device. The thundebolt seems to have better processing ability when it comes to CPU intensive tasks, like installing programs or unzipping files, but it seems to severely lack behind in GPU rendering. While the Samsung is lagging behind in the CPU department and doing very well on the GPU end.
All in all i would say that the difference between processing power is less drastic between the 2 than the GPU performance between the 2.
I hope this helps some of you out there when trying to interpret Quadrant scores and what they actually mean.
Even with a quadrant score of nearly double the droid charge, it still struggles to run a simple live wallpaper as easily as the charge can.
The Thunderbolt and other HTC phones use the Snapdragon processor, which is a great CPU, but not so great GPU, hence the bad frame rates. The reason that the Samsung phones bog down when installing stuff is more from the fact that Samsung created a proprietary file system based on FAT to use for everything, and the IO performance isn't so great. Voodoo Lagfix can really speed up the IO of the phone, reducing the lag you see and also bringing the Quadrant numbers up closer to that of the Thunderbolt, etc. I'm getting 1700-1800 in Quadrant on my Charge, not that the scores mean anything.
imnuts said:
The Thunderbolt and other HTC phones use the Snapdragon processor, which is a great CPU, but not so great GPU, hence the bad frame rates. The reason that the Samsung phones bog down when installing stuff is more from the fact that Samsung created a proprietary file system based on FAT to use for everything, and the IO performance isn't so great. Voodoo Lagfix can really speed up the IO of the phone, reducing the lag you see and also bringing the Quadrant numbers up closer to that of the Thunderbolt, etc. I'm getting 1700-1800 in Quadrant on my Charge, not that the scores mean anything.
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that's interesting, I had been reading about the voodoolagfix but wasn't entirely sure what was going on with that.
What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol.
So what causes Iphone to be soo incredible smooth? I hate apple, but i have to admit that their UI is incredible smooth and damn near flawless on screen transitions and GPU rendering. It seems like almost all android phones are more powerful hardware wise, yet even the smoothest UIs out there still stutter compared to Apples UI
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... What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol ...
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I think when they release that chipset, they should call it "Tegra2".
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that's interesting, I had been reading about the voodoolagfix but wasn't entirely sure what was going on with that.
What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol.
So what causes Iphone to be soo incredible smooth? I hate apple, but i have to admit that their UI is incredible smooth and damn near flawless on screen transitions and GPU rendering. It seems like almost all android phones are more powerful hardware wise, yet even the smoothest UIs out there still stutter compared to Apples UI
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Probably like you noted during the Quadrant tests, Apple's GUI takes full/more advantage of the GPU since they control both the hardware and software. There aren't multiple chipsets out there to cater, so all the programming efforts can be concentrated to just one setup.
IIRC, that's the job of Android GB/ICS. The base OS is there, now little tweaks need to be made to optimize for the various hardware. Well get there soon enough, I hope.
Rooting instructions:
Type into google:
HTML:
site:pipo.cn upgrading procedure
Design and feel:
The tablet feels great, its one of the lightest tablets out on the market, only being beaten by the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, the build quality is great despite the weight, it feels solid, doesn’t bend under tension and is in my opinion one of the best Chinese tablets build quality wise.
One negative note is that the speakers are on the back and sometimes you can accidently put your hands over them, or have them facing down on a table and therefore sound isn’t as loud, but once the speakers aren’t covered they are one of the best quality speakers on the market.
In my opinion I don’t really like the design on the back, though my PiPo M9 will be in a fulltime case when it arrives. Its just a personal opinion as I’m not a fan of the Toshiba like backing.
Gaming:
Gaming is great overall, I tested apps such as Citadel, Real Racing 3, Bejeweled, Temple run 2 etc. I didn’t notice any lag in the actual gameplay while playing, but I did notice some lag which wasn’t noticeable to the normal person on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3, which only lasted about half a second, and were fixed once I rooted the device and overclocked it a bit.
Web browsing / PDF browsing:
Web browsing is pretty fast and snappy, but most of it is dependent on your internet speeds. Websites such as cnn.com loaded fine, zooming in and out there was no lag, watching online videos no lag, but some poorly coded websites like perthnow.com struggled, but this would have been the same on every single tablet.
PDF browsing is also lag free apart from zooming in really far, where it takes a second to focus the text so it looks crisp. This wouldn’t be an issue on a high resolution screen like the Nexus 10 or iPad 4, but for the price is pretty good. I’m not sure why you would be zooming in that much in real life though.
Battery life:
Generally the battery has been one of the impressive sides of this tablet. With wifi off, it loses about 1% every 8 hours on standby, with wireless on while in standby it loses about 5-10% every 8 hours. My first day with the tablet doing benchmarks and other stuff, after about 4-6 hours it was only down to about 45% which is pretty impressive. There was no issue with drainage etc. but bare in mind I’m on the newer March 19 firmware.
Android Experience:
Its snappy, works great. I used the Nova Launcher on mine as I was sick of clicking the top right corner to get to the list of apps. Most apps work great, I rooted the device so I could download mobile apps, as there still isn’t much tablet made apps or websites in general.
Price:
$250 for a quad core, 2GB ram, semi high resolution screen? This tablet is defiantly a good buy, and beats most tablets out there on the market. It will shine past high resolution tablets such as the Onda V972 which lags in HD mode and its only real competition is past the $300 mark.
Overall:
8/10 – A great buy for the price. A 10.1 inch quad core 2Gb tablet, what more could you ask for? Though 1 wish is that I hope 4.2 Android comes out with the new tablet features. Camera shouldn’t be an issue as most phone camera beat the tablets out there anyways.
It’s a great buy for almost everyone, but I wouldn’t recommend buying it for a geek or a tech savvy person as they will quickly pick up the small amounts of lag which might happen, which isn’t just isolated to this device.
Good points:
Minimalistic design
Great speakers
Android 4.1.1 Jellybean
Fast and responsive
Bad points:
Poor camera quality
Speakers on the back
If you're interested in where I bought my tablet from its from spemall
If you have any questions, or tests you would like me to do, please don't hesitate to ask and when I have time I will do those tests.
Hi. What speed do you overclock it to and what app do you use to overclock it? Are you using the stock firmware, only rooted?
I've seen some video showing it lagging in Real Racing 3, worse than the Onda V972 which has a larger resolution albeit with more powerful GPU. You said you do not experience any lag in gameplay?
If you have the time, maybe post some benchmark score of Antutu and 3DMark
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Hi. What speed do you overclock it to and what app do you use to overclock it? Are you using the stock firmware, only rooted?
I've seen some video showing it lagging in Real Racing 3, worse than the Onda V972 which has a larger resolution albeit with more powerful GPU. You said you do not experience any lag in gameplay?
If you have the time, maybe post some benchmark score of Antutu and 3DMark
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I actually have it on 1.6ghz using rom toolbox or something. I'm using the 19th of March firmware.
I noticed lag on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3 which wasn't an issue when I changed the CPU to performance instead of on demand. But the actual driving gameplay is no lag, but sometimes the cutscenes have lag... but thats mainly because real racing 3 is badly coded.
thlmobile said:
A little expensive, I in this site bicgate.com buy a quad-core tablet, spent only $ 120, up to now have not any problems,I am very satisfied.
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Strong advertising your website blatantly.
Jerry158 said:
I actually have it on 1.6ghz using rom toolbox or something. I'm using the 19th of March firmware.
I noticed lag on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3 which wasn't an issue when I changed the CPU to performance instead of on demand. But the actual driving gameplay is no lag, but sometimes the cutscenes have lag... but thats mainly because real racing 3 is badly coded.
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Thanks for the info. So changing the governor to performance is enough to make it run smoother. Have you tried actually overclocking it just for kicks? . IIRC, the RK3188 is initially rated at 1.8 GHz
I'm very interested in buying this tablet, but rather concerned about the initial performance review. I realize RR3 is not a good benchmark, but seeing some tablets using the Exynos 4412, which use the same Mali GPU with lower clock can run RR3 better makes me a bit worried. Hopefully it'll get better as the firmware matures.
Anyway, just saw that JB 4.2 update is in the works at http://blog.geekbuying.com/, interesting
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Thanks for the info. So changing the governor to performance is enough to make it run smoother. Have you tried actually overclocking it just for kicks? . IIRC, the RK3188 is initially rated at 1.8 GHz
I'm very interested in buying this tablet, but rather concerned about the initial performance review. I realize RR3 is not a good benchmark, but seeing some tablets using the Exynos 4412, which use the same Mali GPU with lower clock can run RR3 better makes me a bit worried. Hopefully it'll get better as the firmware matures.
Anyway, just saw that JB 4.2 update is in the works at
Great news about 4.2! Yeh, RR3 is poorly optimized and coded for MOST devices... the Exynos 4412 is a popular Samsung CPU used in its tablets which is why RR3 runs better on that... because its optmized for it... (the amount of Samsung users who would be mad - haha). So yeh, its not because its a bad CPU, its bad relative to the popular ones which most games are optimized for.
Waiting for a custom kernel to come out before overclocking.
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Great news about 4.2! Yeh, RR3 is poorly optimized and coded for MOST devices... the Exynos 4412 is a popular Samsung CPU used in its tablets which is why RR3 runs better on that... because its optmized for it... (the amount of Samsung users who would be mad - haha). So yeh, its not because its a bad CPU, its bad relative to the popular ones which most games are optimized for.
Waiting for a custom kernel to come out before overclocking.
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What's strange to me is, the RK3188 beats the Exynos hands down in both CPU and GPU department. I'm no expert on this but, just by comparing raw power, the RK3188 should beat the exynos in every apps. I think Samsung just got a much more mature and solid firmware at this point
I'm waiting for a group buy to end to acquire one of these tablets.
I have a question regarding the screen performance while in the street with day light. How does it behave?
Is it like most smartphones that when we step outside we can see a thing?
I have seen many reviews but non speaks about this...
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I'm waiting for a group buy to end to acquire one of these tablets.
I have a question regarding the screen performance while in the street with day light. How does it behave?
Is it like most smartphones that when we step outside we can see a thing?
I have seen many reviews but non speaks about this...
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Its pretty standard with mobiles... on brightest setting, in direct sunlight, like every other device you won't be able to see much.
With Samsung's and HTC's mobiles this doesn't happen...
I'm a bit disappointed with these Android compilation they install in Pipo M9.
It’s missing a ton of features that are native of Android ICS and JB.
For example:
1. Shortcut widgets from pull down menu should work to turn on/off the respective features.
Instead when clicked they take us to settings.
2. We should also be able to select, add or remove which widgets to show in that “pull down” menu.
We don't have this option
3. No Auto rotation on home screens with native launcher.
With 3rd party launcher this is possible....
4. Using the native launcher, not possible do we add/remove home screens?
Actually the native launcher does not allow a single customization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Native camera app is extremely poor and almost don't have any options.
Also, no option to choose where to save the photos and videos, such as on External SD Card.
6. No battery percentage icon as alternative as we have natively in ICS and JB roms.
7. On look screen the slide to unlock feature only allow the option to unlock.
In ICS and JB this "circle" has more options and in some cases we can also customize it. Here is just to unlock.
8. Honestly I just can't understand the system folder hierarchy nor the files and their settings, therefore I tried to do some changes and just don't know what to do. I do some MOD and DEV with Huawei and Samsung but this **** I never see!!
And so on and so on and so on....
Overall I'm extremely happy with the tablet but completely disappointed with this ****y and completely Android firmware they have INVENTED to install in this tablet.
This screems for real Dev works
Good for the girls
thlmobile said:
There have been reports PiPo M9 launch the white version.
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Can you send a picture?
Augustine02 said:
Can you send a picture?
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Just found it here
I've had this tablet for a good 3+ months now and so far no issues. I have rooted the phone following the process the OP mentioned above (Pipo instructions on how to upgrade firmware) and used this firmware (JB 4.2.2) ---> M9 software_english version_20130529（no need key); it's actually the third link posted.
I also have Nova Launcher and I will have to say the price I paid for it is very much well worth it. It's actually bang for the buck one of the best out there. It's one of the few Chinese tablets with (as of now) with bluetooth and a pseudo GPS (E-Compass). The OTG function also gives it 3G capability among other things.
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Here's the instructions on how to upgrade the firmware straight from the Pipo Website:
Upgrading Procedure
I personally used moborobo to download and install all the drivers you need in order to root it properly, then I followed the instructions given above.
looks good but for a 10" would like a higher resolution screen, although that brings other issues like higher power consumption for the screen, and requiring a faster GPU which again uses more power.
Berties123 said:
looks good but for a 10" would like a higher resolution screen, although that brings other issues like higher power consumption for the screen, and requiring a faster GPU which again uses more power.
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I use my Pipo M9 a lot for reading e-books and watching videos and it's actually very good. I was on the fence for the same reasons you bring up; but seriously for the size, the resolution is good enough. Technically a 10" screen with a 720p resolution is good enough since I also game and I know that a 1080p screen on a 24" is good enough as well. I also know that anything higher than 24"; 1200p and 1440p are the best options, but that's another topic all together.
Of course, this is just my opinion and everyone will have their preference.
DOVahFeyN said:
I've had this tablet for a good 3+ months now and so far no issues. I have rooted the phone following the process the OP mentioned above (Pipo instructions on how to upgrade firmware) and used this firmware (JB 4.2.2) ---> M9 software_english version_20130529（no need key); it's actually the third link posted.
I also have Nova Launcher and I will have to say the price I paid for it is very much well worth it. It's actually bang for the buck one of the best out there. It's one of the few Chinese tablets with (as of now) with bluetooth and a pseudo GPS (E-Compass). The OTG function also gives it 3G capability among other things.
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Here's the instructions on how to upgrade the firmware straight from the Pipo Website:
Upgrading Procedure
I personally used moborobo to download and install all the drivers you need in order to root it properly, then I followed the instructions given above.
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What is the e-compass that pipo so much talk about it?
Because gps= zero
I've a 3g Pipo M9 ,32gig and would love to know how to root it.
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Jerry158 said:
I actually have it on 1.6ghz using rom toolbox or something. I'm using the 19th of March firmware.
I noticed lag on the cut scenes of Real Racing 3 which wasn't an issue when I changed the CPU to performance instead of on demand. But the actual driving gameplay is no lag, but sometimes the cutscenes have lag... but thats mainly because real racing 3 is badly coded.
Strong advertising your website blatantly.
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You can't get a 2gig ram 32 gig rom tab with 3g sum card slot on your crappy site. BTW your add should be removed and a 2 week bar for your freaking abuse of the site
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howard bamber said:
I've a 3g Pipo M9 ,32gig and would love to know how to root it.
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They way I did it was by flashing a pre-rooted rom (riley rom 1.7 with sdk 2.0). In the meantime, I had to ditch riley rom 1.7 and flashed riley rom 1.6 cause I had an annoying flickering display issue. With this rom, the issue is still there, but only occurs if I set brightness lower than 20 or 25%.
I honestly didn't keep the tablet with stock rom long enough to see if the flickering was already there... anyone else having flickering?
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santini069 said:
howard bamber said:
I've a 3g Pipo M9 ,32gig and would love to know how to root it.
Sent from my N9500 using xda app-developers app
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They way I did it was by flashing a pre-rooted rom (riley rom 1.7 with sdk 2.0). In the meantime, I had to ditch riley rom 1.7 and flashed riley rom 1.6 cause I had an annoying flickering display issue. With this rom, the issue is still there, but only occurs if I set brightness lower than 20 or 25%.
I honestly didn't keep the tablet with stock rom long enough to see if the flickering was already there... anyone else having flickering?
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I use Sumvision Cyclone Voyager 2 4.2 v1 (GB, Incl. Root) by Hejira , and the flickering issue is in alot of roms to be honest, at moment anything lower than 50% causes the flickering for me, but that aside , this is a fantastic tablet.
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I just bought a Korean variant Galaxy S4, KT's SHV-E300K(32GB). As far as I know, this is somewhat rare variant because it's an Exynos-powered S4 with LTE support.
With 2-year contract, I just picked it up without paying any money at the shop. The device costs me 899,000 Won actually and it's approximately $809.55 as of today. Monthly bill from KT will be about $72+ for 30 months, I guess. The guy gave me toilet paper rolls, lol. It's official KT promotion merchandise. Also he promised the shop will provide 3rd party cover/case and the protective film when they get those accessories in stock.
It's pity that I can't test its LTE capability at the moment. Being Saturday, I couldn't activate my new S4 right away. The KT rep said my new S4 will be activated at 10AM in the morning, next Monday. For the weekend till Monday morning, my official phone would be my old iPhone 4.
Cause this is the 1st time for me to use Android device, I'm frankly in panic now. iOS and Android(maybe Touchwiz) are too much different. I think I will have a hard time to get myself accustomed to this Android device.
The device itself is pretty nice. It's so much lighter and thinner compared to my old iPhone 4. The display is just incredible. I have seen lots of S3 and Note 2 around but this phone's screen was just beyond my expectation.
I had purchased Samsung 64GB microSD card(SDXC Pro class 10) before I bought the phone. The 1st work I did was copying iTunes music library from my MBP to the microSD card. It took about 30+ GB already. What I figured out is Apple's bundle earbuds I bought after the launch of iPhone 5 is not fully compatible with S4. Though stop/play button works, volume control button doesn't.
Antutu score was 29108 at my 1st try. Oddly, every time I repeat the test the score keeps going down. I don't know why. Because this is a Korean variant, it has DMB antenna allowing me to watch some TV channels as well as audio-only channel like radios for free.
If you have any question, feel free to ask. Though I'm a newbie to Android.
(I don't know why I can't upload images. Maybe I'm too newbie to upload images, lol. I put some images on picture board of Korean site I frequent and used the hot links.)
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Benchmark Test Results/Scores
I'm not a professional device tester. Some scores below include what are from non-best condition like consecutive tests, non-airplane mode, other apps in execution, etc. Take that into consideration.
For screenshot images, check my replies in the thread.
Antutu benchmark v3.3 test : 29,108
SunSpider test Samsung stock browser : total 1026.3ms +/- 7.4%
SunSpider test Chrome browser : total 980.5ms +/- 4.6%
3DMark test Icestrom : 10,207
3DMark test Icestorm Extreme : 6,248
GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex HD offscreen 699 frames 12 fps
GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex HD onscreen 695 frames 12 fps
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD offscreen 4853 frames 43 fps
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD onscreen 4549* frames 40 fps
Fill rate offscreen 1158812800 texels/sec
Fill rate onscreen 1061263872 texels/sec
Triangle throughput: Textured offscreen 40577880 triangles/sec
Triangle throughput: Textured onscreen 77569432 triangles/sec
Vellamo HTML5 score 2025
Vellamo Metal score 1062
BaseMark X On-Screen score 9.221 FPS
BaseMark X Off-Screen score 8.898 FPS
Wow, 29108 score on Antutu is amazing.
That's ridiculously faster than the Snapdragon variant.
MaKTaiL said:
Wow, 29108 score on Antutu is amazing.
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Is it? I never cared about benchmark scores much before I started to consider buying new phone.
congratulation dude
so the Korean version runinng @1.6 too
Korean version is 1.8 octa...
The only downside is the carrier bloat and the yamaha audio codec
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Korean version is 1.8 octa...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40769632&postcount=4
Strange, was meant to be 1.8 on gsm arena
Seanambers said:
That's ridiculously faster than the Snapdragon variant.
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Not "ridiculously" faster. This is the Snapdragon variant below.
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Strange, was meant to be 1.8 on gsm arena
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It was rumored as such before the actual release but it seems not. I attached the system info screenshots from Antutu app(I changed the language setting that you could read.)
can u please do Sunspider test
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/...k.dmandroid.application&feature=search_result
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazI3Il0.
(T-Rex HD on screen + T-Rex HD offscreen + Egypt HD onscreen and offscreen + fill rate onscreen and off screen + triangle throughout onscreen and offscreen )
if your device get hot, the score will go down.
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can u please do Sunspider test
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/...k.dmandroid.application&feature=search_result
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5nbGJlbmNobWFyay5nbGJlbmNobWFyazI3Il0.
(T-Rex HD on screen + T-Rex HD offscreen + Egypt HD onscreen and offscreen + fill rate onscreen and off screen + triangle throughout onscreen and offscreen )
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I did SunSpider test on default browser(Samsung) and Chrome. I'm not sure this is the test you wanted. Also, I've done 3DMarks test. Both Icestrom and Icestrom extreme. Check the attached images.
1st image - Sunspider test result on Samsung browser : total 1026.3ms +/- 7.4%
2nd image - Sunspider test result on Chrome browser : total 980.5ms +/- 4.6%
3rd image - 3DMark test Icestrom : 10207
4th image - 3DMark test Icestorm Extreme : 6248
I'll try the other test after cooling my device down to some degree, lol.
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if your device get hot, the score will go down.
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I didn't know that the heat can affect the Antutu score. That was why the scores kept decreasing. Thanks you for letting me know!
I've done the GLBenchmark test.
GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex HD offscreen 699 frames 12 fps
GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex HD onscreen 695 frames 12 fps
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD offscreen 4853 frames 43 fps
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD onscreen 4549* frames 40 fps
Fill rate offscreen 1158812800 texels/sec
Fill rate onscreen 1061263872 texels/sec
Triangle throughput: Textured offscreen 40577880 triangles/sec
Triangle throughput: Textured onscreen 77569432 triangles/sec
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I've done the GLBenchmark test.
Fill rate offscreen 1158812800 texels/sec
Fill rate onscreen 1061263872 texels/sec
Triangle throughput: Textured offscreen 40577880 triangles/sec
Triangle throughput: Textured onscreen 77569432 triangles/sec
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Thanks for the tests.
I think that something is not right with these numbers.
Either the firmware is still not optimized, or it's throttling for some reason.
http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?cols=2&D1=Samsung+GT-I9500+Galaxy+S4&D2=Apple+iPhone+5
If I compare against iPhone 5, the Triangle throughput is clearly so bad.
I don't know the explanation for this. But I think there is still some room for improvement with the low-level results.
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I did SunSpider test on default browser(Samsung) and Chrome. I'm not sure this is the test you wanted. Also, I've done 3DMarks test. Both Icestrom and Icestrom extreme. Check the attached images.
1st image - Sunspider test result on Samsung browser : total 1026.3ms +/- 7.4%
2nd image - Sunspider test result on Chrome browser : total 980.5ms +/- 4.6%
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The results looks much different from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40772427&postcount=10
Maybe the phone was throttling during the test.
@procol: hi, when you do some benchs, you should close all apps and go in planemode. No WiFi, GPS and so too.
3dmark is not so high in your example. My one reaches more then your S4, but it should be atm s4>one, cuz of driver.
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Can you please post the Velamo benchmark results? For both, 3D y cpu. Try to keep the phone cold between tests, if gets hot, leave it a while.
Btw, toilet paper ftw lol
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CLARiiON said:
Thanks for the tests.
I think that something is not right with these numbers.
Either the firmware is still not optimized, or it's throttling for some reason.
http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?cols=2&D1=Samsung+GT-I9500+Galaxy+S4&D2=Apple+iPhone+5
If I compare against iPhone 5, the Triangle throughput is clearly so bad.
I don't know the explanation for this. But I think there is still some room for improvement with the low-level results.
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The results looks much different from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40772427&postcount=10
Maybe the phone was throttling during the test.
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Maybe I'm not a good tester, haha. I think the other results will surface soon from the Korean variants.
RoachPapa said:
@procol: hi, when you do some benchs, you should close all apps and go in planemode. No WiFi, GPS and so too.
3dmark is not so high in your example. My one reaches more then your S4, but it should be atm s4>one, cuz of driver.
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Hmm, maybe that's another points I failed to catch maybe.
demlasjr said:
Can you please post the Velamo benchmark results? For both, 3D y cpu. Try to keep the phone cold between tests, if gets hot, leave it a while.
Btw, toilet paper ftw lol
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I'm not sure I've done the test you spoke of exactly, but I attached the screenshot image. 2 tests from HTML 5 category wanted me to turn on wifi so I did it on. Yeah, toilet paper is really odd.
Vellamo HTML5 score 2025
Vellamo Metal score 1062
procol said:
Maybe I'm not a good tester, haha. I think the other results will surface soon from the Korean variants.
Hmm, maybe that's another points I failed to catch maybe.
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A small tip -- allow few mins between the tests to let the phone cool-off.
Maybe a reboot will also help between the tests.
Also try a BaseMark X test!
procol said:
It was rumored as such before the actual release but it seems not. I attached the system info screenshots from Antutu app(I changed the language setting that you could read.)
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Piece of advice : hide your IMEI number in those screenshots, that's something you don't want to show to everyone.
Really disappointed weak glass,speaker and cheating in benchmark
i want to upgrade from note 1 to note 3
after reading alot of reviews i found some issues
1- The video of an "androidauthority" that show drop test of Note 3 and its glass was broken , despite my note 1 fall from me many times and nothing was happen (gorilla glass 1) and till now non of any sites ( Samsung - Gsmarena - Phonearena .........) talked about screen protection and this was scary to me
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=note+3+drop+test
2-some reviews talked about the speaker of note 3 and all of them talked about its bad quality but it is loud enough . yesterday i read review http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/7
show that the loudness of speaker is only 71.92 db lower than note 2 and my note 1 :crying:
3-today i choked when reading the cheating in benchmark of note 3 at all phone sites
4-most of reviews done 4g version and i was planning to buy the 3g version
Waiting for more reviews and for comparing with its rivals ( LG G2 - Xperia Z1 - Acer Liquid S2 - Alcatel One Touch Hero -HTC Onemax - Lenovo Vibe Z)
Good for you. Take someone else at their word. For every bad review there are a 100 good ones. If you choose to focus on the bad ones then maybe the new iPhone is more your style. To each his own.
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dkb218 said:
Good for you. Take someone else at their word. For every bad review there are a 100 good ones. If you choose to focus on the bad ones then maybe the new iPhone is more your style. To each his own.
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LOL I hate iPhone series and i think they aren't rivals with note3 at all , but there are rivals still in same line and don't forget i ve note 1 from 2 years and it is still my little baby
Don't believe on every bullS**t that comes in front of you. If you liked note 1, you will love note 3 too. It is far better than even note 2 and people are loving it so note 1 doesn't even come closer. There is not even a single phone which is 100% perfect.
Hi,
I have upgraded from a Note 2 with custom rom (omega) and audio mods (Neak) to Note 3 Simfree quad core version.
My note 3 has all my apps inc Apex Pro Launcher.
1) The audio quality on the note 3 is defiantly better than my note 2, the call quality is amazingly clear, the music sounds better.
yes the speaker is not that loud compared to my modified note 2 but that some that a custom mod when released can fix.
2) i have not read the review but i have just done a AnTUTU Benchmark and my score is 35613
AnTUTU score 35613 (custom test with all options selected)
Quadrant Standard with score of 22279
Geekbench 2 Score 4095
The screen is amazing compared to my note two and the pictures quality is sharp, I will compare this with my sisters Samsung S4 when i get chance.
Edit: I did not like the S-Pen on the note 2 much on on Note 3 it feels much more natural when writing with the pen and the air view is brilliant when using S-Pen makes this much easier.
Thanks
Thanks
a5ian300zx said:
Hi,
I have upgraded from a Note 2 with custom rom (omega) and audio mods (Neak) to Note 3 Simfree quad core version.
My note 3 has all my apps inc Apex Pro Launcher.
1) The audio quality on the note 3 is defiantly better than my note 2, the call quality is amazingly clear, the music sounds better.
yes the speaker is not that loud compared to my modified note 2 but that some that a custom mod when released can fix.
2) i have not read the review but i have just done a AnTUTU Benchmark and my score is 35613
AnTUTU score 35613 (custom test with all options selected)
Quadrant Standard with score of 22279
Geekbench 2 Score 4095
The screen is amazing compared to my note two and the pictures quality is sharp, I will compare this with my sisters Samsung S4 when i get chance.
Edit: I did not like the S-Pen on the note 2 much on on Note 3 it feels much more natural when writing with the pen and the air view is brilliant when using S-Pen makes this much easier.
Thanks
Thanks
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about the speaker i hope that will be better but about the review of benchmark you should read it as your test on benchmark is faked by samsung
Reviews are the opinion of the reviewer only try get one of your own and I guarantee you this device is definetly better than your note 1
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sehooo said:
about the speaker i hope that will be better but about the review of benchmark you should read it as your test on benchmark is faked by samsung
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Hi,
How is it faked? when i using 3rd benchmark tools to run some tests based on the CPU/RAM/GPU etc.. from the application itself, unless the application is picking up that is note 3 and then faking the result?
It does feel more responsive and faster than my note 2, I want to root it with custom rom and take out this samsung bloatware etc.
PS: I have just tested MX Player with DTS codec pack - I can playback full bluray with DTS-HD MA audio sample file m2ts and also 10bit MKV files.
Thanks
Why do you give much thought to drop tests? There is no scientific procedure with which these tests are carried out; basically, they are all luck based. But since it seems you put weight to them, maybe these two tests will put your mind more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXX_35xy8Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLea3KYD58
- As for the benchmark "cheating", basically what has been confirmed is that the phone preps all the four cores to 2.3GHz before the benchmarks begins (like revving the engine of a car before racing). it's worth noting that the Note3 still measures the highest scores even with this "booster" disabled. This is not the first time that manufacturers were caught trying to do this and it won't be the last.
- Why are you planning to buy the 3g version? The only reason you should get the 3g version is if you don't have another choice (i.e: they don't sell the 4g model in your country)
- As for the speakers, I honestly can't tell you as admittedly I'm not the best judge when it comes to audio. I sold my Note2 so I can't compare. What I can say is that I leave the volume at 13/15 when watching my videos and I have no problem hearing it in a quiet environment.
MohJee said:
Why do you give much thought to drop tests? There is no scientific procedure with which these tests are carried out; basically, they are all luck based. But since it seems you put weight to them, maybe these two tests will put your mind more at ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXX_35xy8Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLea3KYD58
- As for the benchmark "cheating", basically what has been confirmed is that the phone preps all the four cores to 2.3GHz before the benchmarks begins (like revving the engine of a car before racing). it's worth noting that the Note3 still measures the highest scores even with this "booster" disabled. This is not the first time that manufacturers were caught trying to do this and it won't be the last.
- Why are you planning to buy the 3g version? The only reason you should get the 3g version is if you don't have another choice (i.e: they don't sell the 4g model in your country)
- As for the speakers, I honestly can't tell you as admittedly I'm not the best judge when it comes to audio. I sold my Note2 so I can't compare. What I can say is that I leave the volume at 13/15 when watching my videos and I have no problem hearing it in a quiet environment.
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thx for videos
and about 3g version in our country data through 4g is very expensive and not practical for us and also the 4k video need more storage + highend tv ,so i preferred the octa core ver as i heard it use less power consumption by choosing the lowest core for idle and for small process and maybe after update from Samsung it can use the 8 core simultaneously and make higher performance than snapdragon after that update.That only what i think
a5ian300zx said:
Hi,
How is it faked? when i using 3rd benchmark tools to run some tests based on the CPU/RAM/GPU etc.. from the application itself, unless the application is picking up that is note 3 and then faking the result?
It does feel more responsive and faster than my note 2, I want to root it with custom rom and take out this samsung bloatware etc.
PS: I have just tested MX Player with DTS codec pack - I can playback full bluray with DTS-HD MA audio sample file m2ts and also 10bit MKV files.
Thanks
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When people say "faked" what they really mean is that the CPU and GPU are set to a speed which is not otherwise available for general use. So (making up numbers) in normal use the GPU can only go 450mhz, if it detects that a benchmark app is running, it'll ramp it immediately up to 475mhz and keep it there so there's no ramping up and down and the speed is higher.
So it's a bit dirty, but it's not like they're dropping frames and getting a "higher FPS" or something.
khaytsus said:
When people say "faked" what they really mean is that the CPU and GPU are set to a speed which is not otherwise available for general use. So (making up numbers) in normal use the GPU can only go 450mhz, if it detects that a benchmark app is running, it'll ramp it immediately up to 475mhz and keep it there so there's no ramping up and down and the speed is higher.
So it's a bit dirty, but it's not like they're dropping frames and getting a "higher FPS" or something.
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Actually that's not what's happening here (though it was with the S4). Samsung is apparently setting everything to run at 100% during popular benchmark programs.
1. The benchmark programs really should be doing this anyway which concerns me
2. Even without this preset, the N3 still won pretty much all benchmark tests. So not a big deal in the end, making this unnecessary from Samsung.
BMW does any naked phone screen survive a direct drop on its face onto concrete? Don't think I've ever seen that.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
Samsung did the same thing with the GS4, it's not just benchmark software it's any app that is native fullscreen that gets a CPU boost for max performance. Call that cheating if you want, the phone still created the results.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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This is not cheating, the processor is not running outside of its designed limits. All it did was make sure it was running a full power for the whole test... The clock speeds were still 2.3 ghz,
as for the speaker, that's subjective and the glass is gorilla glass 3, it's the strongest on the market... But if you think it won't break if you smash your phone on concrete, you're kidding yourself
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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Most people don’t care about benchmarks, and I’m still going to buy the phone and not lose any sleep over this.
Are they going to get fined/punished /banned by the benchmark committee?
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
It was arstechnica that caught them cheating on benchmarks this time. I think it's safe to say most people would see that as shady.
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ArsTechnica also failed to "discover" that the very LG G2 that they compare in the very same article has the same CPU optimizations, only that they by luck it didn't apply to GeekBench 3.
Samsung does it, HTC does it, LG does it.
To the op about the drop test. I don't care what phone you have it will always break out shatter if you drop it on its face. There is a thing called a case. If you don't use it you deserve to have your screen smashed.
Don't get it. Stay with your note 1 and no complaining. Enough said.
I want a fancy new ferrari but the cost of maintenance is a lot more than my current car.... That's how you sound.
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unfortunately for me a few days ago my note 2 fell face first on concrete and naturally it cracked.
all smartphones will get this terrible fate if dropped face first on solid concrete unless the flexible screens with what ever will cover it finds a solution to that problem.
samsung should invest in wearable technology that senses and "magnetizes back" whenever your phone is about to get dropped or snatched (i know far out but one can dream lol)
Just installed Dolphin on one of the Target demo units, and I am beyond surprised at how well it performs. The S7 didn't even come close to this. Not by a long shot. Check it out!
mrcobra92 said:
Just installed Dolphin on one of the Target demo units, and I am beyond surprised at how well it performs. The S7 didn't even come close to this. Not by a long shot. Check it out!
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Video doesn't work.
pedodroid said:
Video doesn't work.
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Had an issue with the first video, link is fixed but it will take about an hour for the video to finish re-uploading.
mrcobra92 said:
Had an issue with the first video, link is fixed but it will take about an hour for the video to finish re-uploading.
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:good:
Cool! Dolphin has been my daily driver for a long time...
The video still isn't working...
You can watch the video on youtube. just search for S8 dolphin emulator. It runs realy good on the S8!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu1oDLTuL-k
Side note: How old does that S7 look already?
Pretty cool! Thanks for the share.
hey great vid. I tried running dolphin 5.0-3609 on my s8+ international but its super slow. any particular setting changes? or is it because its not using snapdragon? Thanks
Exynos version doesn't have driver support. Look at Dolphin's twitter account, they explained why it doesn't work.
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So am I reading this correct and seeing that snapdragon on THIS emulator will perform better then Exynos?
I don't know, I have the snapdragon version and it's incredibly glitchy on the few games I've tried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7PsfCsi_Yk
Mali G71 is very powerful but not optimized enough
I hope future custom rom can do something regarding that issue.
MaTiCeK- said:
Exynos version doesn't have driver support. Look at Dolphin's twitter account, they explained why it doesn't work.
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thanks for the heads up. do you have a link? thank you
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https://twitter.com/Dolphin_Emu/status/855366890276794369 twitter link if anybody wanted to read
I think the OP of this was excited and exaggerated the results, or jumping to conclusions. I have tested Dolphin with different settings on two S8+ devices with same results. Games start out playing smooth and then a few minutes to ten minutes later, stutter starts due to throttling. I would LOVE the 835 chipset in the Shield TV, since blows the X1 away for performance. Just needs the fan and better heat dissipation a set-top box provides. I tested Mario Kart, Need For Speed, Mario Galaxy, Mortal Kombat Deception, Soul Calibur 2, Smugglers Road, ATV 2, Crash Racing, F-Zero, Burn Out Racing 2, etc. Same result: Starts out playing smooth and then stuttering shortly afterwards. Did not matter with newer versions, resolution settings, clock, etc. I have been testing since launch of the 8+, so a lot of time (too much really).
The S8 / 835 with Dolphin is basically a five to ten minute wonder. Would have been cool if smoothness lasted longer. The good news is intense games that are stuttery messes on the 820/821 are smooth on the 835 in MAME 139. Dead Or Alive + and Plasma Sword are examples. Smooth with no throttling like with Dolphin.
rushless said:
I think the OP of this was excited and exaggerated the results, or jumping to conclusions. I have tested Dolphin with different settings on two S8+ devices with same results. Games start out playing smooth and then a few minutes to ten minutes later, stutter starts due to throttling. I would LOVE the 835 chipset in the Shield TV, since blows the X1 away for performance. Just needs the fan and better heat dissipation a set-top box provides. I tested Mario Kart, Need For Speed, Mario Galaxy, Mortal Kombat Deception, Soul Calibur 2, Smugglers Road, ATV 2, Crash Racing, F-Zero, Burn Out Racing 2, etc. Same result: Starts out playing smooth and then stuttering shortly afterwards. Did not matter with newer versions, resolution settings, clock, etc. I have been testing since launch of the 8+, so a lot of time (too much really).
The S8 / 835 with Dolphin is basically a five to ten minute wonder. Would have been cool if smoothness lasted longer. The good news is intense games that are stuttery messes on the 820/821 are smooth on the 835 in MAME 139. Dead Or Alive + and Plasma Sword are examples. Smooth with no throttling like with Dolphin.
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Is this still true in July 2017? Saw a bunch of videos where it appears it is working, but they might also be just "5-10 minutes" wonder. Just checking to see if anything has changed in nearly 2 months.
Thanks!