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While at the store a Viewsonic showed up and was asking me what I though about the unit, he assured me that Dec 16th would be a turning point for the device and joked that they rushed the unit to the market with the firmware being horrible. In fact he said it was a -2 on a scale 1-100, Lol, I agreed and told him the update was better but still not worth the 379.00, he then told me to root it or wait till Dec 16th that the update will add flash and several other features but will make the unit run optimizing both cores and currently it was only running on 1.
I am getting closer to thinking about buying it, I overall like the unit and I am not disappointed with the display it is decent.
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While at the store a Viewsonic showed up and was asking me what I though about the unit, he assured me that Dec 16th would be a turning point for the device and joked that they rushed the unit to the market with the firmware being horrible. In fact he said it was a -2 on a scale 1-100, Lol, I agreed and told him the update was better but still not worth the 379.00, he then told me to root it or wait till Dec 16th that the update will add flash and several other features but will make the unit run optimizing both cores and currently it was only running on 1.
I am getting closer to thinking about buying it, I overall like the unit and I am not disappointed with the display it is decent.
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It's funny how that's the same day the Nexus S with Gingerbread will be available from Best Buy lol
I doubt this update will be 2.3 though
I hope this is true. I love this tablet, and if viewsonic keeps pace with what Google is developing it could prove to be a good investment.
This is definitely good news. Hopefully whatever software upgrade this thing gets, the screen sensitivity issue is addressed. While flash is great, it means nothing if I can barely type the web address to get to the flash-based site.
Looking forward to December 16- at least it'll be in my 30 day window for a return.
but even with an update from viewsonic the custom roms mean nothing right? ... ok say they release a update that fixes the screen touching issue and optimizes it for both cores unless your running the stock software viewsonic released it with your not going to see any of those benefits right?
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but even with an update from viewsonic the custom roms mean nothing right? ... ok say they release a update that fixes the screen touching issue and optimizes it for both cores unless your running the stock software viewsonic released it with your not going to see any of those benefits right?
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What the hell are you talking about? The point of my post was pointing out that they should worry less about flash and more about making the touchscreen work.
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but even with an update from viewsonic the custom roms mean nothing right? ... ok say they release a update that fixes the screen touching issue and optimizes it for both cores unless your running the stock software viewsonic released it with your not going to see any of those benefits right?
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You can return the device to stock if you wish.
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What the hell are you talking about? The point of my post was pointing out that they should worry less about flash and more about making the touchscreen work.
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actually i wasn't posting in reference to what you said i was asking a genral question im kinda new at this i was wonder if the update was saved in a different partition of the device so that the fixes would work on custom rom i wasnt trying to counteract anyones post!! sorry if you misunderstood stood
what it will mean is that the guys who build the rom will port over the changes to the custom rom So if something addresses speed or touchscreen issues then it will make the custom roms even better
gotcha thank you so much for your replie i was seriously unclear thats all every one is a noob at some point
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actually i wasn't posting in reference to what you said i was asking a genral question im kinda new at this i was wonder if the update was saved in a different partition of the device so that the fixes would work on custom rom i wasnt trying to counteract anyones post!! sorry if you misunderstood stood
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Sorry for the wording of my post- I really didn't know what you were talking about which is why I explained the point of my post since you referenced the touchscreen issue I brought up.
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but even with an update from viewsonic the custom roms mean nothing right? ... ok say they release a update that fixes the screen touching issue and optimizes it for both cores unless your running the stock software viewsonic released it with your not going to see any of those benefits right?
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Not on Day One, that's correct. Day Two will be another story.
Don't worry, I'm all prepped - TnT Lite 3.0.0 one day after the firmware is released. The only issue is don't believe what a SEARS / Staples rep tells you, as they don't know any more than we do. While I'm sure Flash will be in there, we don't know what else will be added.
I hope it's blazing fast with all the major bugs fixed, but we just don't know yet.
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gotcha thank you so much for your replie i was seriously unclear thats all every one is a noob at some point
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Please use some sort of punctuation.
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While at the store a Viewsonic showed up and was asking me what I though about the unit, he assured me that Dec 16th would be a turning point for the device ....
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I assume you mean 'Viewsonic Rep'. What store was this, and did he/she give a reason for being there and soliciting feedback?
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I assume you mean 'Viewsonic Rep'. What store was this, and did he/she give a reason for being there and soliciting feedback?
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He was a viewsonic rep had the viewsonic shirt on everything at the american furniture store here in fenton missouri
He was there setting up the current update on all these units so that he could train staff they according to him had not really sold well through out all the stores
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He was a viewsonic rep had the viewsonic shirt on everything at the american furniture store here in fenton missouri
He was there setting up the current update on all these units so that he could train staff they according to him had not really sold well through out all the stores
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Not questioning your info, but am the rep. Why was he at a furniture store if concerned about G sales? Should he not be at Sears, Office Depot or Staples? Maybe I read your note wrong.
I would not expect a furniture store to be a critical channel partner that VS would spend money sending a rep to train staff. If they did, that could explain why the G was launched as it was
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Not questioning your info, but am the rep. Why was he at a furniture store if concerned about G sales? Should he not be at Sears, Office Depot or Staples? Maybe I read your note wrong.
I would not expect a furniture store to be a critical channel partner that VS would spend money sending a rep to train staff. If they did, that could explain why the G was launched as it was
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XDA is no longer worth my time.
I had assumed you meant a SEARS or Staples rep, my bad then.
If this person was a VS rep, then I retract what I had written earlier - they might know more than we do. And that's a good thing.
I wish I had been there, as I would have totally picked this guy's brain. :O
No they sell electronics 2 not just furniture. I picked his brains pretty good but I still couldn't get a whole lot of info from him except he knows that everyone's not impressed with it so far
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I had assumed you meant a SEARS or Staples rep, my bad then.
If this person was a VS rep, then I retract what I had written earlier - they might know more than we do. And that's a good thing.
I wish I had been there, as I would have totally picked this guy's brain. :O
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I doubt a Viewsonic field tech knows more than you do roebeet
It looks like March 3rd/4th is the next rumored drop date for the TB. BGR is reporting an insider at VZW was at an event held last night with TB launch details etc.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/24/htc-thunderbolt-may-launch-on-march-3rd-or-4th-4g-lte/
-Lil'
I saw that in the Android Central forums, it's quite possible. If the date holds I can hold on another week. Of course it'd be nice for Verizon to say something.
I actually beleive this may really be the date, Im kind of relieved..
My local Verizon corp. store took down all their TB signs. They are only flying the iP4 signs now. There for a while the walls were plastered with TB ads and signs.
Which "MARCH MADNESS" are we going to watch the NCAA BASKETBALL or the VERIZON /HTC Thunderbolt madness ???????
It might be even later if they can't get the FW more stable. It looks like they are going to just release the device and then push a couple OTA after release.
I've had the Incredible since May of 2010(one of the lucky ones) and am amazed at the recent rom development for this phone. I am also eligible for an upgrade as I am the primary line account.
That being said, I am excited for the Thunderbolt; but I can wait for the release. Chances are Verizon may lower the price after 30 days or so, depending on how well its received.
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Yeah , having my Inc and a good rom makes the wait easier. Still want the Tbolt soon.
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It might be even later if they can't get the FW more stable.
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I must have missed that info. Has anyone with credibility actually stated that, or is that just another rumor being thrown around? I would assume if they already shipped out plenty of units, the FW would be plenty stable.
Would you please post a link to the source of that concern.
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I must have missed that info. Has anyone with credibility actually stated that, or is that just another rumor being thrown around? I would assume if they already shipped out plenty of units, the FW would be plenty stable.
Would you please post a link to the source of that concern.
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I work for Qualcomm, and the device went gold since January. The Network is being fine tuned to handle the LTE devices, and iPhone traffic, but the firmware is not the reason. There were numerous tentative release dates, but Verizon publically stated 1Q. Iphone 4 was the first priority, but that's my opinion.
I have an official HTC HML Adapter but the first TV I used with HDMI did not work.
It is an old Sanyo with only 1 HDMI Port.
The adapter says HTC EVO 3D and Sensation
The TV out on the same TV works instantly with the Zune RCA (Red-Yellow-White) adapter.
I will try a 27" Asus monitor with 2 HDMI inputs later.
Has anyone had success with their MT4GS and this adapter?
EDIT: No Good with Asus Monitor on either HDMI port.
I have a CECHA01 (750GB) PS3 that was updated to 3.60 with my knowledge. (I'll keep that anger away from this thread)
I will test the DLNA Media Server functionality of the PS3 if someone has not done so?
This is bad news that there is no MHL funcionality. NOT the same as Sensataion! I will have to sell this to one of my friends with Sensation that are running their fancy Custom ROMs while I sit and rot on Stock for the time! Perhaps I have a bad unit right out of the box? It's possible, but I doubt it?
Everyone is waiting your further report.
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Quoted for truth.
I believe we've already confirmed that the MT4GS, out of the box at least, does not support MHL. can't remember the thread where it was being discussed.
it would seem that it could be possible if you take into account the fact that the innards are the same as the Sensation and E3D, but we might have to dig to get it going. also, apparently some of the early demos of the MT4GS showed off MHL alongside the Sensation which leads me to believe we just need some small tweaks to get it working on the retail units.
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...which leads me to believe we just need some small tweaks to get it working on the retail units.
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This leads me to believe we need to donate to some devs to get this device in their hands. I am sick of checking the development thread to see if a there is a ROM available.
Every other device I have had, I always checked to see what was new for flashing. I think the that the timing of the Sensation and MT4GS may be one of the causes of the lack of development
What can you do....just wait and see. I have chose to wait vs getting the Sensation, which has not been easy as I have unlocked and flashed everyone in my area who has bought one, while I choose the joystick over screen res?
How much longer will this painful wait be?
Sorry for the rant.
Stock rom does not do TV out at all if you remove the TVOut apk.
Thus it follows that MHL will not work unless the correct MHL apk is present.
I would imagine the next course of action is to determine if the sensation rom contains such an apk while the mytouch does not.
Anyone have a sensation they can look at for us?
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This leads me to believe we need to donate to some devs to get this device in their hands. I am sick of checking the development thread to see if a there is a ROM available.
Every other device I have had, I always checked to see what was new for flashing. I think the that the timing of the Sensation and MT4GS may be one of the causes of the lack of development
What can you do....just wait and see. I have chose to wait vs getting the Sensation, which has not been easy as I have unlocked and flashed everyone in my area who has bought one, while I choose the joystick over screen res?
How much longer will this painful wait be?
Sorry for the rant.
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I think we're moving along nicely... less than a month since the device's official release and we have perm root & s-off already. rom development will take time. if you're aching for some changes, just head over to the UOT kitchen and have some fun there.
Just purchase a camcorder av cable. You can do tv out that way. Plus its cheaper and quality is the same as a mhl.
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This thread, it has become zombie.
Can we difinitively say this device does not have mhl support at this point, or has someone learned something the rest of us are unaware of?
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quality is the same as a mhl.
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no, just no.
I see that this has not been confirmed in the end, yet i find this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-H...myTouch-4G-Slide-HTC-Doubleshot-/120813304016
What gives?
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well, ive ordered it, so gonna check if it works.
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I see that this has not been confirmed in the end, yet i find this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-H...myTouch-4G-Slide-HTC-Doubleshot-/120813304016
What gives?
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well, ive ordered it, so gonna check if it works.
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Oh! Definitely let us know what happens.
tbalden said:
I see that this has not been confirmed in the end, yet i find this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-H...myTouch-4G-Slide-HTC-Doubleshot-/120813304016
What gives?
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well, ive ordered it, so gonna check if it works.
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Curious to know what the verdict is - thanks for taking a chance for us!
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Curious to know what the verdict is - thanks for taking a chance for us!
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Finally seller stepped back, not shipping to hungary.
going to look for an alternative way.
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tbalden said:
Finally seller stepped back, not shipping to hungary.
going to look for an alternative way.
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Well, since you are off the hook for the moment:
Does it require specific hardware to operate, or is it just code that matters?
I understand it's not supposed to matter for the connection itself - so using the MicroUSB would work on any device that had it - but is there any hardware that needs to be present within the device itself to make it work?
I think that's what I got from this before - but didn't verify anything or look into it too deeply because of the tv-out over 3.5mm and just wrote it off.
If it does require hardware support to function in some context, maybe we can see if we actually have that hardware in the device before you spend money again.
Or do you not care and just wanna buy and try? Fine either way - just curious?
Well, the seller stated its compatible for a reason, but might be an error on his side. Also im back at my money, so ill look into this more thoroughly, looking at local stores converters and their compatibility.
But yes, if someone could verify hw specification with htc or tmo that would save time.and yes it needs hw imho.
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http://ifixsmartphone.com/iphone_repair/MyTouch_4G_Slide_teardown.html
That links to the only known public teardown of this device - it's showing how to replace part of the screen, but you have to take the whole device apart to get to that and pictures were taken at each step.
If we can determine that there is specific hardware needed and what it is, so far this is our best chance to see if it's physically there. (possibly?)
If any other public teardowns are found, definitely post here - and if anyone knows what hardware MHL requires the device to have please post it here so we can look into this.
Don't have the time to look too deep into this tonight, but i'll definitely post anything relevant I can find towards determining whether it's possible or not.
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I just might buy that teardown found here:
http://www.abiresearch.com/research/1009325-HTC+MYTOUCH-4G-SLIDE+phone+teardown
...that _atlien_ posted about here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17482235&postcount=2
I've gone to that page probably once every 2 or 3 weeks since it was posted and thought about buying it, maybe next time but every time I get closer to going for it.
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That aside though, any public resources along these lines anyone has found would be appreciated. I think the idea that it needs hardware makes sense or any device could just do it with the right code - but not sure and could be wrong. We need a conclusive determination on this.
well,ive found a local store with mhl stuff, i think these are pretty much the same converters. Going to give it a spin with the Sensation based rom and stock.
http://www.delock.de/produkte/suche..._USB_micro-B_Buchse_65314.html?setLanguage=FR
Looks like the ds kernel doesnt have a driver for it. Im gonna try to merge a driver to see if its a dormant part or theres no such hw in ds at all.
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ok. i think MHL is a not going to work, looking and digging for it.
The chip is called 'sii9234' that sensation and shooter (evo3d) seems to have by default in the kernel. Looking for this chip on google related to our device I see nothing relevant...
there would be no sane reason to not include the driver if the chip is on board, that would be like worsening the market position of it. So i wont buy this cable, till someone can confirm that the sii9234 mhl chip is on the board.
http://androidandme.com/2012/01/news/t-mobile-puts-six-android-phones-on-the-chopping-block/
Less than a year and they are talking of Cutting models?!
Nearing, not at, so who knows how long that will drag on.
They must have something coming up their sleeves, we'll see what happens.
Whatever it is, i'm with this device for a while to come. I got some nuts to crack with development for it, and i've picked this one to stop and learn all the ins-and-outs of Android on.
The Achilles heel of this device is the lack of internal storage, (battery aside) to me it's where the ball got dropped on this one. With the 16/32 gig internal available on releasing models, that's a significant difference, and probably skews the playing field a bit.
Speaking of field, the near field technology deal is another thing that's being released that T-Mo might be trying to get devices with and capitalize on. Since Verizon dropped the ball by putting a blockage between the tech and Google Wallet (which, really, is what makes it work for point of sale payments) I can see other carriers trying to get in on it like Sprint did to distinguish themselves from #1 by offering a service they don't.
Dunno, it's really all speculation at this point in the game, but i'm with this one for the long haul. The longer I stick with this one, the quicker/easier it'll be to transition to another and i'll probably be able to pull my ROMs forward to whatever the next good hardware keyboard device is.
(really, after learning all the shortcut keys for the hardware buttons, how could you not have that?? It's like trying to type on a real computer wearing mittens without them.)
This makes me mad, but really, we don't know what exactly this means. I wish more people would have realized what an awesome phone this is.
wth? this makes no sense at all... i could see them discontinuing silders (although not liking the idea) but seeing sensation amaze and the mid/low end LG models too makes me wonder.
perhaps they are the least popular ones? sounds kinda weird tho
Yeah, sensation was/is very popular.... Amaze literally just came out. it's a beast... Dub tee eff
Just my spare change.
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Nearing, not at, so who knows how long that will drag on.
They must have something coming up their sleeves, we'll see what happens.
Whatever it is, i'm with this device for a while to come. I got some nuts to crack with development for it, and i've picked this one to stop and learn all the ins-and-outs of Android on.
The Achilles heel of this device is the lack of internal storage, (battery aside) to me it's where the ball got dropped on this one. With the 16/32 gig internal available on releasing models, that's a significant difference, and probably skews the playing field a bit.
Speaking of field, the near field technology deal is another thing that's being released that T-Mo might be trying to get devices with and capitalize on. Since Verizon dropped the ball by putting a blockage between the tech and Google Wallet (which, really, is what makes it work for point of sale payments) I can see other carriers trying to get in on it like Sprint did to distinguish themselves from #1 by offering a service they don't.
Dunno, it's really all speculation at this point in the game, but i'm with this one for the long haul. The longer I stick with this one, the quicker/easier it'll be to transition to another and i'll probably be able to pull my ROMs forward to whatever the next good hardware keyboard device is.
(really, after learning all the shortcut keys for the hardware buttons, how could you not have that?? It's like trying to type on a real computer wearing mittens without them.)
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Have you read up on mtd any? Something I was noticing as well, although its not like I've gone anywhere near limits of this device... And I'm with u unless they drop a 5" keyboard device... Like a samsung epic note.... Would switch back to samsunk then.
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mtd?
Could you expand on that a bit? I skipped sleep yet again, last night, and it's just not clicking right now.
I spent the last couple of hours browsing over the forums here in our little corner of XDA. I didn't really have the head to get any work done, and so much has happened that i've missed recently. Taking a few hours to just browse around and read this or that and catch up a little bit has been helpful.
There was a time not too long ago where i'd read every post in the MT4GS forums, most multiple times. Just a few weeks float by and now there's so much I have to catch up on, there are still a few topics I need to spend some time wrapping my head around.
I'd love to spend a day just reading up on and playing with MR. Root, the download mode thread, and the various Hboot threads to just soak them all in together and see where I could help out. Then i'd love to build on that by taking a good long look at the string of OTA updates and see what it'll take to crack the latest un-rootable roadblock we got tossed. Maybe pick up something along the way to add to it all.
I dunno, at the moment sleep deprived and just a tad overwhelmed by the amount of information here I haven't had the chance to soak in yet, and all the stuff i'm trying to roll out for my ROM - and i've got a lot of threads that are getting out of date that need to be brought current, added to and finished.
This little floating session has kinda given me a good handle on what I need to do to make progress in all the aforementioned areas though, so when I sit down I can just get started instead of trying to figure out what i'm doing.
Kinda useless right this very moment, but that's okay because I got 11 minutes before I have to walk out the door. I'll turn all this over in my head during the day, and hit the ground running when I get to steal some time tonight.
Meantime, what's mtd? lmao
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Have you read up on mtd any? Something I was noticing as well, although its not like I've gone anywhere near limits of this device... And I'm with u unless they drop a 5" keyboard device... Like a samsung epic note.... Would switch back to samsunk then.
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Agreed.
The problem is, at least in my opinion, high end devices with QWERTY keyboards are really rare. If you look at TMob's lineup, they've got the Sidekick 4G, the Cliq2, the gravity smart, the MTQ, and the MT4GS. Only the 4GS is really a high end device, with the rest either being mid-tier, or really crappy.
What's really sad is that the only other carrier who seems to have a decent variety of QWERTY androids is Verizon. Sprint and AT&T don't seem that interested (although AT&T has the captivate glide (which is about the level of the Cliq2, IMO), and I think the general perception is that QWERTY devices are for entry level texters.
I didn't meant to go off on a tangent, but I think the MT4GS, discontinued or not, is going to be the only option for QWERTY lovers for a while. I am hoping we see a MT5GS after a while, but the fact that LG seems to be making MT devices concerns me. Maybe the MT4GS was the last hurrah of the line.
I can see them getting chopped up and divided amongst the other carriers. Maybe they're getting ready for that?
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Meantime, what's mtd? lmao
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MTD as i remember it from the G1 and the MT3GS is the ability to grow and shrink partitions. Using a flashable .zip and a .txt file on the Sdcard, for example, we were able to grow the data partition at the cost of cache and system (good if we were using an AOSP rom like Cyanogenmod).
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Ah nice - thanks. Now that you jog my memory, that was brought up in a thread around here sometime not long ago.
Think it was a thread about app 2 sd? Not sure - thanks for the clarification
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Ah nice - thanks. Now that you jog my memory, that was brought up in a thread around here sometime not long ago.
Think it was a thread about app 2 sd? Not sure - thanks for the clarification
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Glad my bad explaining can help the community XD
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Glad my bad explaining can help the community XD
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Nah, you did great, and that's about as much as I know about it anyways so it put it in a frame of reference for me which was exactly what I needed
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Nah, not really - and intentionally so actually. In my quest to make Bulletproof be as stable as possible this is something that would throw a monkey wrench in my work at this time.
In the future it's on the list, because i'm ending up with internal space that is essentially wasted, and this probably the best way to reclaim that and make it usable.
I'm a little jealous of all the knowledge most of you have from having Android phones before - stuff like this you just know about, whereas i'd have to actively look for it unless someone mentions it off-hand, and it's hard to look for things you don't know exist.
That only means they're going to stop selling it. Look at the G2. They declared its end of life eight months after it first went on the market.
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That only means they're going to stop selling it. Look at the G2. They declared its end of life eight months after it first went on the market.
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And I used mine well past that point.
Just my spare change.
mt4gs is just a plain good phone with its camera and dual core. Its still sized as a phone should be in my book. We have true ICS working, sense ics working, and a good heap of feature complete GB roms as well... So if they dont produce something unprecedented in the mobile camera business in the following year, its a keeper anyway... i even ordered it from here europe to enjoy this amazing phone. I say get while you still can...lol
i think i figured out why t-mobile would want to do this.
the chances are that new phones with S4 snapdragons are around the corner (MWC) and with them being 28nm SoCs the battery life will be dramatically improved, which to be fair is the real downside of current phones...
still, it's very very sad to see a phone discontinued after just few months
Looks like the rumors of the mT4GS' demise were exaggerated. Looks like it was a fat finger error. There is still life for this great phone. Nothing to see here move along.
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hmm well, sell through is not good either, just means a few more months to go before eol
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MTD as i remember it from the G1 and the MT3GS is the ability to grow and shrink partitions. Using a flashable .zip and a .txt file on the Sdcard, for example, we were able to grow the data partition at the cost of cache and system (good if we were using an AOSP rom like Cyanogenmod).
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MTD is an acronym for Memory Technology Device. It describes the CLASS OF STORAGE NAND hardware, and the driver infrastructure in the Linux kernel that was responsible for managing it.
Those scripts that you remember using were manipulating the default kernel command line, in order to feed a customized PARTITION TABLE into the MTD DRIVER, rather than the "fixed" one stored within the hardware's SPL.
This does not apply to Doubleshot, since Doubleshot uses an eMMC instead, though there may be similar approaches to feeding the eMMC driver a custom partition table.
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The Achilles heel of this device is the lack of internal storage, (battery aside) to me it's where the ball got dropped on this one. With the 16/32 gig internal available on releasing models, that's a significant difference, and probably skews the playing field a bit.
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Don't most of those 16/32 GB internal storage devices LACK an sdcard slot? If so, then Doubleshot has a potential for up to 34 GB storage, which is 2 GB more than a 32 GB device...
I received the email this morning to finalize my order.
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Same here. Finalized my order, now just have to wait for a shipping notification.
I just can't bring myself to do it. How are you guys spending 700$ to purchase something you know absolutely nothing about?
I'm confused... Did they retract all the specifications and pictures? ~
Based on the specs and the person at the helm, what else is there to know... It's just like buying the latest flagship from [Insert Phone Maker Here].
Goronok said:
I just can't bring myself to do it. How are you guys spending 700$ to purchase something you know absolutely nothing about?
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daijizai said:
I'm confused... Did they retract all the specifications and pictures? ~
Based on the specs and the person at the helm, what else is there to know... It's just like buying the latest flagship from [Insert Phone Maker Here].
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The key difference is that we usually have reviews (or at least hastily done hands-on previews) in hand before forking over money for other flagships. Nobody has a review on this yet.
Sure, reviews aren't perfect but they answer a LOT of the questions that we all have about this thing. Face it, Essential's communication has been pretty poor leading up to right now. And specs aren't everything.
Example: If Essential says "Our phone runs Android well and it's buttery smooth", would you trust that as much as if any other reputable reviewer said the same thing?
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I'm confused... Did they retract all the specifications and pictures? ~
Based on the specs and the person at the helm, what else is there to know... It's just like buying the latest flagship from [Insert Phone Maker Here].
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You're saying every flagship phone is exactly the same. Pick something with an 835 chip and everything else is identical; picture quality, battery life, screen quality, warranty support.... list goes on.
Nobody other than Essential employees know how the camera performs. You're putting a lot of weight into Andy Rubin's name being involved and he really has done nothing to earn that weight, in my opinion.
I'm not getting rid of my Pixel XL just yet. If the Essential sucks (I really don't think it will), it just goes on Swappa, I keep using the XL and wait for the new one to come out. I can honestly say that I haven't been as excited about a phone release as I am about the Essential in a long, long, time. The screen real estate is absolutely beautiful.
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I just can't bring myself to do it. How are you guys spending 700$ to purchase something you know absolutely nothing about?
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True! i don't even know the full specs of this phone.. Lol
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I'm not getting rid of my Pixel XL just yet. If the Essential sucks (I really don't think it will), it just goes on Swappa, I keep using the XL and wait for the new one to come out. I can honestly say that I haven't been as excited about a phone release as I am about the Essential in a long, long, time. The screen real estate is absolutely beautiful.
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They have a 15 day return policy if you buy from Essential in the US. I'm probably gonna buy but only because of the 100% money back (and free return shipping) policy.
I forked over the money.. Looking forward to something new!
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I forked over the money.. Looking forward to something new!
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Same here. Been with HTC since the M8 and Samsung before that. Was going for the Pixel 2 this year until this came out.
Willing to give them a try.
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I just can't bring myself to do it. How are you guys spending 700$ to purchase something you know absolutely nothing about?
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15 day return policy
I'm all in. As other's noted, 15-day return policy. If it sucks, it goes back.
Hardware wise I think it will perform, and I think android will operate fine. Just my belief based on who's doing this thing.
My only hesitation before pulling the trigger was how long it will take to have developers putting a rom together that I can abandoned all tings Google. I'm currently on a Nexus 6p with no GApps, running a secured kernel and ROM, FDroid, Amazon, and side loading for apps. I want to get to the same place on this sucker. I'm not developer enough to make my own ROM. Though the idea of building from source seems like a fun challenge.
I think my biggest hesitation is in how they worded the return policy. "Disabling security features" warrants denied return. I wonder if this means the device will be permanently altered by unlocking the bootloader - eg.. Sony with wiping the TA partition permanently degrading photo quality, or Samsung and the knox crap.
Obviously I wouldn't unlock the bootloader in the 15 day return window - but I want to be able to unlock the bootloader at SOME point with the option to put it back to stock without marring the device.
So many questions, so few answers..
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You're putting a lot of weight into Andy Rubin's name being involved and he really has done nothing to earn that weight, in my opinion.
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He's done nothing? He only co-founded the biggest cellular phone operating system ever. Besides that, also co-founded another couple of million/billion dollar companies. I would put a little weight, maybe more than a little into something he has touched. Just my opinion.
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You used Android under his ownership?
And the sub-companies under playground global are not exactly super successful.
I wouldn't say his name brings a whole lot to the table
Bought mine today. Ships within a week w/ 2-3 day Fedex; i'm hoping for delivery by Fri 25th, but i haven't gotten that email yet. No cases for it... hmm. I think they might be taking the durability factor a little far for there to be no cases available at launch. But I for one think Rubin's name brings a lot to the table and will be very surprised if the phone he's essentially (ha) staking his career on is a flop.
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You used Android under his ownership?
And the sub-companies under playground global are not exactly super successful.
I wouldn't say his name brings a whole lot to the table
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We get it, you're skeptical. You're more of a wait and see type of guy. Smart move.
Yeah I broke down and confirmed my reserved pre-order. If I hate it, I'll return it. A good 7-10 days of steady use should determine if it's a keeper. I think selling on swappa is not the way to go as I believe initial resale value will be low unless reviews are overwhelmingly positive. Time will tell!
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Does anyone know if this camera has portrait mode. May seem silly but I don't won't to lose that feature I have with my op5
Anyone know if the Sprint version is unlocked?