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I need a new smartphone, need help to find one.

Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!

award982 said:
Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.

BigJayDogg3 said:
Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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nope i do not, i want to get non-branded

bump...anyone?

I had a kaiser for 4 years, then moved to the EVO on launch day. Couldn't be happier, phone is snappy as all hell, and haven't run into missing driver issues at all - the only thing HTC dropped the ball on with the EVO is capping the frame rate at 30 fps (which causes that stuttering), but if you're rooted, you can load a custom kernel that breaks the cap. Although I'm very familiar with the drivers that were missing from the kaiser, I haven't heard about any missing drivers on the EVO - care to provide a link?
Any of the galaxy s line of phones are good too - if you're coming from a kaiser, you may like the epic for the slide-out keyboard, bit they're all pretty much the same. These also have the top of the line performance for the 3d graphics that you mentioned. The 3d graphics on the EVO are pretty good (you only run into issues with some of the more demanding 3d games), but this is really where the galaxy s phones shine.
Unless you're really tied to wm6.5, I would stay away from it - it will be completely obsolete in just a few months when version 7 comes out. Unlike previous versions of wm, 7 won't be backwards compatible, so pretty soon there won't be any compatible apps for any wm6.5 devices. I would also say that any slowness or lagging that you saw on the hd2 was more than likely caused by wm, and not the chip. Give Android a shot - you won't be sorry. And stay away from the hero too, its not going to be upgraded anymire either - in fact you may want to stay away from any device without a 1ghz chip.
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BigJayDogg3 said:
Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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The epic actually doesn't, and the gps issues on the other galaxy s phones are all supposed to be patched by the end of Sep.
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well i don't really like the looks of evo, what about desire? it runs droid 2.1, has a 1gHz processor, what do you think about it? What about hd2? i read somewhere that it has a 100% working port of android (1.6 i think, and i guess it will get an update to 2.2) also has a 1 gHz processor.
Anyways, i know hd2 supports multitouch, but i couldn't find anywhere if the desire does.
Now about galaxy S... i have bad memories about my samsung phones, its the only phone manufacturer i cant stand.
i guess its either hd2 (because i think its the best of the current models with wm) and some android model like desire or nexus one that has 1gHz processor.

i like the desire im actually thinking about picking one up real soon.

I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better

freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?

award982 said:
guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be

Get a Galaxy S or a Nexus One, both amaaaaaaaaaaazing phones. Samsung got it right with the Galaxy S
And get away from Windows Mobile. I come from a Touch Pro 2 and it is a terrible, laggy OS. Android 2.1+ is where it's at
An HD2 (with Android running) or an Evo could be another option. The Desire is a slower phone than all of the other phones I've mentioned here.

freakzone said:
It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).

award982 said:
i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess

freakzone said:
Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
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Maybe i should wait til wm7 is released, then maybe htc will release a new android phone that probably will have better software than n1 or desire, or maybe i will even buy something with wm7. OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BUY A FREAKING ASUS P535 that i used to have, witch worked without problems, all the apps worked fine, 3d was a blessing from the god itself. Damn the stupid qualcomm. I am actually very afraid of buying again from HTC. I had such high hopes for the kaiser when i bought it and i am afraid of buying some piece of **** again so im researching all the dirt i can find on the best smartphones.
Thanks freakzone for your time on helping me, i really appreciate it.
edit: i actually thought about customization of android like ubuntu. just imagine a 3d desktop cube on a tiny screen like that

No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it

freakzone said:
No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
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i guess its either hd2 or desire for me, will go and play with those later today and see witch is better for me. I am so nostalgic about the good old times 2 years ago, having a p535 from asus was the best thing ever, it did everything i wanted it to do, it was fast and very rarely i had to restart it. I think i am going to get the hd2, even though i would like a hardware joypad but i think i can live with touch I'm just too sad that everything these days looks like a bloody iphone: nokias,htc's,samsungs, everything... i just can't stand it! i miss the good old days of wm with a square profiled pda with good, strong hw buttons and wm5

i had a samsung moment until it bricked when i tried to root it and now i got an htc hero love it

freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.

nexus5894 said:
I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I agree with Android being market grade, but disagree with the general hate fir WinMo i've seen in this thread.WinMo is a dinosaur, but dinosaurs are still big and powerful creatures.
I personally don't like suggesting the N1 because of the problems i've heard of with the soft keys being hard to hit. And (not a very big deal) it only registers two points of contact iirc. My thing is if im going to pay money, i want the best, not something that is that limited.
I like the desire though. I wish more phones would have actual buttons. Between the Desire and the HD2, id get the Desire.
And i doubt the OP has issues with WinMo if he's been using it for years and us considering getting another WinMo phone.
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[Q] WP7 port to Captivae possible?

I know this post is coming out a little prematurely, but I couldn't help but notice that the Samsung Focus and the Samsung Captivate are identical phones... not only are they identical but they are running on the same network (modem drivers and such would be the same) ... does anyone know if this port would be possible?

They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.

Why is everyone so hyped about WP7? Doesnt anyone remember how lame windows mobile was? Everytime I see someone post about WP7 its like its going to revolutionize smartphones. Theres not much they can do that already isnt being done. WP7....so lame. And it looks like ATT is trying to jump on that ship first and offer a big selection of handsets at launch....go figure. At least they got something right and got one of the best android phones available for now. Its not great out of the box but with all the roms and mods on XDA its starting to show some real potential.

Smallsmx3 said:
Why is everyone so hyped about WP7?.
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Have to disagree here. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast than WM 6 or 6.5. You can't compare the two. Different UIs, different use cases, different applications and core technologies. Everyone's hyped because it seems Microsoft might have finally done something right when it comes to mobile devices. Every tech journalist I've heard talk about their preview WP7 devices has been very happy. And as someone who picked an Android phone because I wanted a choice in how I use it, the possibility of WP7 running on it just adds one more choice.

Why on earth would you ever want a car that's not colored black?
Sending a rocket ship to the moon is preposterous!
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
I love it when people shoot down ideas without thinking it through to all possible conclusions beyond their own.
I wouldn't mind seeing WP7 getting ported some day. Choices are good.

multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.

hashish16 said:
multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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Just add a good DOS emulator (I know DOSBox was being ported some day) in that list and I'll be totally excited.

Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.

And linux, unix, posix apps belongs on them even less. Oh, wait...
Stop trying to start Fanboy discussions and OS flame wars. Do you run your phone completely in Terminal? Do you expect a WP7 device to have a start button on the screen? Get viruses? Blue Screen?
Each platform has merits and competition is a good thing in almost every case. Choice on a device designed for one platform being able to run another offers bragging rights for the developers and gives more power back to the community.

I'm for the phone that gives me what I want it to do and the freedom to do it.
IOS = locked into the iWorld of iTunes, extreme DRM, and I can only use the device.
Android = the freedom I wanted at a price. Custom flashing ROMS to even get my device to work as intended. But I can do whatever I want with it and don't have to worry about DRM.
WP7 = locked into the M$ world. Again I think it will be highly restrictive on what you can do. I'm sure there will be people (here on XDA) that will hack it.. but it will still be Windows for your phone - and therefore limited.
I'll stick with my single boot Android device - Although it would have that "nerdy cool factor" to have multiple OS's to boot my phone into... I'd rather have one working OS than 2 or 3 that were buggy as hell.

This has been gone over to death, Will it happen?.....Maybe. Will it be soon I dought it. I left WM for Android due to seeing the road M$ was going down with WP7. I have yet to lay Judgment on WP7 till I can get some hands on time with it but to tell the truth I dont see it being an option for me personally as I hot swap SD cards all time due to diff projects, Class, Work, Music...ect. The inability to do so with WP7 is just a deal breaker for me, not to mention no ETA on copy and past. I see WP7 as an early version of IOS, locked in to many ways while they try to get base functions to work right.

Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
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LOL...once upon a time I had a computer with a 2 gig HDD...I told a friend of mine "There's no way I'll EVER fill this up!!"

sremick said:
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
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Microsoft being the maker of WP7 has almost nothing to do with Microsoft Windows. How much of Mac OS do you see in the iPhone? Just because someone doesn't like Mac does not mean they will hate the iPhone.

I was thinking this too...
Hardware agnostic smartphones... I wrote about it over at my blog TheProfessorNotes
Excerpt: Since the start of the smartphone experience, the hardware and the operating system have been so tightly integrated that one is hard to distinguish from the other. This started as far back as the Springboard Sprint phone hardware attachment for the Handspring Visor, and continues today with the Windows 7 phones, the iPhone and in reality the Android phone. But what if the phones (hardware) and the soul of the phones, the mobile OS’s, could be separated?

emuneee said:
They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
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Did they prove that the Focus has a snapdragon? I knew the Omina7 did, but the last spec sheet i saw said the Focus was unknown. It would still be a pretty darn close match with the graphics being the only potential problem....

Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft but I see no problem with them? I'm currently on Windows 7 and I can customize the daylights out of it. So, is there really a problem?
Besides, Windows 7 is going to be a serious gaming platform, as this is Microsoft's entry into the mobile gaming world. So...the most powerful phone out...with a gaming OS...sounds like a major win to me!

I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*

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I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'll drink to that

The hardest part would be getting the hummingbird processor to work with the windows 7 platform. I wouldn't mind a dual boot phone though. Android/wm7/ios.
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WP7 OS requires a hardware PVK chip on-board in-order to function at all. That will be the hardest part. Even the ppl hacking HTC HD2 can only get it to operate in DEMO only mode because of the lacking of that chip.

Is a Windows Mobile 7 ROM possible?

I am loving the CM7 ROM for the Glacier and wouldn't mind keeping it for as long as I own this handset. As someone curious about the new Windows OS however, I was wondering if it's possible to create a version of the ROM for this phone. I noticed the HTC HD2 seems to be able to run Windows Mobile and Android just fine. Is it just a lucky fluke that it's hardware is compatible with both OS builds?

It is definitely possible for an WP7 ROM, but highly unlikely. The reason the HD2 got so much love is Because WinMo sucks arse cheeks. As a stock phone the MT4G is a great phone, but most of the people who frequent this site want the latest and greatest so that is why you see a lot of ROMs for android.
I can't speak for everyone on this site, IMO it won't happen.

The HD2 was also shipped with windows mobile to begin with, while maybe not the same versionI think it is frowned on a bit less than if you were to take a open device and put a closed os on it. That would be pretty much like buying computer parts real cheap putting the computer together and then stealing (pirating) a copy of windows 7 to put on the hdd, rather than buying the license properly.
So what I am saying I guess is it is not wither the hardware can handle it,which I see no reason it couldn't with driver tweaking. It is more the legality of it and that pirating is not allowed here!

I appreciate the reply. This is actually the first generation of Windows Mobile that even has me interested in taking it for a test drive. All of the previous versions reminded me of a poor version of the desktop OS.

My only interest in it s the gaming aspect, Android continuously disappointments me with the gaming options.

the only reason why HD2 is able to do WM7 and android is because, WM7 has the same type of architecture setup and the android is running off the SD card via Linux overlay. and honestly i used the HD2 for a bit for android and its a bit of a mess. they might come out with WM7 on MT4G but i dont think gaming will be any better on WM7.

whoamanwtf said:
My only interest in it s the gaming aspect, Android continuously disappointments me with the gaming options.
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Just wait until the PSP Androids take off...

No way MT4G will get windows rom.
The reason HD2 got Android and WP7 running because it is exactly the same phone as Evo and HD7 so porting was relatively easy. MT4G has different processor then any current WP7 phones and this processor is not supported by WP7.

I myself would be very interested in a windows phone port. just so I can change to WP7, watch some netflix, then switch back to android when I'm done.

I doubt it. U might have to pick up an HD2 if u want to dual boot Windows 7 and Android. U can find them for cheap on craigslist these days because most users who don't hack their phones, seemingly can't see the potential in HD2s. They are very good phones once u stray away from windows 6.5 IMO

I think the reason why the developers spend about 5 months trying to make the port to the HD2 was because one windows mobile is obsolete, second the fact that Microsoft and HTC were not going to update HD2 to WP7 because of Microsoft's lame excuse of the fact that the device had to many buttons BS! and lastly when the HD7 came out everyone was pissed to the fact that the HD7 was an exact replica (hardware) of the HD2's. I have WP7 on my HD2 it runs perfect with no bugs at all, but coming from android IMO is a bit boring OS as its not open source as android.
Now WP7 on the MT4G will never happen. I don't think developers such as Cotulla will try to spend months once again on trying to port WP7 to another device I think they were just trying to prove a point and they did

DaArtist401 said:
I doubt it. U might have to pick up an HD2 if u want to dual boot Windows 7 and Android. U can find them for cheap on craigslist these days because most users who don't hack their phones, seemingly can't see the potential in HD2s. They are very good phones once u stray away from windows 6.5 IMO
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This is super true
I honestly had no idea of how much support exists for this device until my Uncle asked me to put Android on his...
I was like ... I don't think I could do that, unk..
But it was actually pretty easy, almost too easy. Makes me want to grab one for a cheap tinker toy to fit right nicely into the tiny gap between my MT4G and my NookColor.

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the only reason why HD2 is able to do WM7 and android is because, WM7 has the same type of architecture setup and the android is running off the SD card via Linux overlay. and honestly i used the HD2 for a bit for android and its a bit of a mess. they might come out with WM7 on MT4G but i dont think gaming will be any better on WM7.
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I would agree partially. I have an HD2 as well as the MT4G. MDJs CM7 runs flawfless on the HD2! I will never flash any other rom for it unless he has updates. Its so smooth and snappy you would never believe the HD2 wasn't an Android device. The beauty of it is that, with MDJs CM7 rom, the HD2 battery life puts the MT4G to shame. 1-2ma battery drain on standby! Best backup phone ever!

You can get a home screen app on the market that "trys" to simulate a windows 7 fone but is lacking in features =\ BoL

WP8 ....made by developers for WP7.x

Okay im not a tech savvy person here but...
HD2 was able to switch from WinMobile 6.5 to Android to WinPhone 7
Is there anything preventing developers from making an unofficial port of wp7 to wp8?
Is the core structure that vast that we cant repeat history like the HD2?
Who knows, maybe HD2 will be the first to run unofficial WP8 XDD
Just a theory, feel free to debunk me straight away

With the change in kernel, it is nearly impossible i think
HD2 was able to run WP just because it was a WM 6.5 device and WM6.5 and WP7 share the same Windows CE kernel

I think we will only be able to get to WP 7.8 due to the CE to NT kernel change
(but even that will hopefully give us the full Skype integration that I want so much and a multitude of other features)

Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.

What kind of kernel?
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Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that.
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I don't understand: What kernel supporting legacy hardware are you talking about here? Where will this come from, who will provide it?
I think we are right at the center of the problem here: Of course Microsoft could provide all kinds of device drivers for WP8 so that it could run on current WP7 phones, but decided against it - probably just too much costly work with almost no gain or even active opposition from manufacturers who want to sell new phones.

Yeah its got to be about getting the new devices sold, increase the market share. Besides, The gpu's and ram in our current phones won't be able to keep up with the new devices even when the new core with its native code stuff comes. Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable. I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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Hard to say
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Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable.
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Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago
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I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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That's really hard to say without anyone actually trying to run WP8 on a current WP7 phone; on the PC front, Windows 8 seems to be faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. And many times and in many apps the CPU inside your phone is boring itself to death anyway because it has so few things to do.

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Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
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You're talking about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
HD2 was able to boot Android (linux kernel) just because of the support of HaRET. Nothing can be done on it own.
And do remember that "famous HTC devices that are capable of running HaRET are the QSD8250 based HTC HD2 and a wide range of MSM7xxA based phones like the diamond, raphael and touch pro 2". Right now only the HD2 is still alive and its QSD8250 will be outdated soon.
You're talking about replacement like it's so easy. Changing kernel means every vendor has to rewrite everything from scratch including drivers for their devices. WP8 is designed to run on this new kernel (not the old kernel) so it does not support current devices. That's fair i think.
That's what we call changing (unlike 'changing' on Android or iOS, changing every now and then but nothing's new). Just hope that MS wont change too often.
Anyway, it's just only an announcement. The exact date of releasing WP8 is unknown. Right now, we still holding a device that runs a good OS. And even when WP8 is released, my phone's still doing something 'pretty much WP8' with 7.8 update. And can do that until i can afford a WP8 device or when everyone is switching. But that the story of at least 1 year from now.

"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!

Tom_H_ said:
"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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That would be more realistic )

I think the main issue for MS is that kernel changes require flashing ROMS - high risk of bricking and WAY beyond the ability of most of their market. So why would they invest that level of development in a small niche market that potentially undermines their own market (look at the crossover between developers and hackers/crackers lol). You need to look at the commercial sense of their decisions not your own needs.
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complete faith although ?S
I have complete faith wp8 or an adjusted version of wp8 will be cooked to run on our gen2 devices, heck remember seeing froyo run on the tmobile g1?
And I think that will give our phones better resale value when we do decide to purchase a wp8 handset, i know that's my semi long term goal when I upgrate my handset.
but what I want to know is and i'm not sure if it was covered in the press announcements, say you continue using your gen2 device, will all new upcoming wp8 apps stop working altogether?
for instance what if instagram, pandora, words with friends (which i know is coming) although engineered and designed for wp8 because yes i know its being rewritten differently, will they not work at all on wp7.8?
that's my semi concern, since they were finally able to hspl my titan and once the wp8 sdk (is that what it's called?) gets dumped and chefs get their hands on it, will it only be a matter of time before it is ported to our handsets as well?
I think what msft should have made absolutely clear and i'm not sure if they covered it or if i missed something, if they said "continue using your 7.8 device all apps written in the future will be usable on these devices" if that's the case people shouldn't worry and simply wait for their 2 year carrier contracts to expire and finally upgrade.
the only thing that prevents me from keeping my titan for long term use is that i really really need expandable storage.

@pvt_nemesis: Every single OS or firmware update has the same risk of breaking ("bricking" is a little strong, since it's technically recoverable, but people seem to use the term less strictly these days) a phone as the full kernel flash that you're talking about. There's nothing magical about an OS kernel. The WP7 kernel has almost certainly been replaced at least once by an update already (I'm pretty sure Mango updated part of the kernel).
Cooking a custom ROM of WP8 for WP7 hardware will mostly depend on the availability of drivers, I think. Unlike the current custom ROMs, which take their drivers from current ROMs, the switch from CE to NT will make all the WP7 drivers useless for WP8 ROMs. Therefore, we'll need WP8 (NT-on-ARM) drivers for the hardware of out WP7 devices... and there's no guarantee that it'll be available. It might, though.

Porting Android to a Windows Phone

I've noticed no ones done this till now, even though Windows Phone has been ported to a few phones.
anyone know what the technical hurdles to this are? It seems like a good idea given the planned obsolescence of the WP7 userbase.
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Don't know but it doesn't seem to be possible anytime soon. WP8 may be more likely although that will be clearer when it is actually released. I'm curious as to whether it be possible to port instead of WP8 to port the almost full windows r/t instead.

If you want an Android phone, go buy an Android phone. The Windows Phones from HTC and Samsung tend to have Android siblings.
I hope people that want to run Android on a WP handset never get to do so.
I've never been to the iPhone forums -- are they full of people asking "can I port Android to the iPhone? Seems like a great idea, just a few drivers to rewrite, Android rulez!"

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If you want an Android phone, go buy an Android phone. The Windows Phones from HTC and Samsung tend to have Android siblings.
I hope people that want to run Android on a WP handset never get to do so.
I've never been to the iPhone forums -- are they full of people asking "can I port Android to the iPhone? Seems like a great idea, just a few drivers to rewrite, Android rulez!"
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Well, thanks for your opinion but some people will disagree. And at the end of the day we're geeks here - I see nothing wrong with asking why Android hasn't been ported to WP as of yet.

Why did u choose WP in the first place?
I was tired of Android!

there is no clear reason to port android on a wp, i think. But maybe it is possible. Anyway, if you prefer android OS, use it instead of wp

With Android being a battery and resource hog, flashing a WP device with Android more or less will give you a laggy UI and poor battery life. Not to mention the potential overheating issues some Android phones experience.

en...a strange idea...

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With Android being a battery and resource hog, flashing a WP device with Android more or less will give you a laggy UI and poor battery life. Not to mention the potential overheating issues some Android phones experience.
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I remember the Nexus S, which has a slower, older processor than the Lumia being absolutely smooth with ICS on it. Not that the Lumia 710 has amazing battery life anyway.
And ... Google chose to update the phone to Jelly Bean even though they no longer sell it.
Anyway, I'm just asking if there's any technical issues which prevent a port, I think some Android Phones (The Sensation XL by HTC, as one) is very similar hardware wise.

Just went thru this page to compare omnia w and galaxy w. If there are only devs here can do something. As I thought, bootloaders of these devices are different but hardwares are pretty much same except fot the display. http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4114&idPhone2=4200