Right now I've got 6 back ups of different ROMs, including a stock ROM. This seems somewhat high to me, but perhaps you guys keep more?
I use to backup every time before I flashed a ROM, and probably had a stockpile of like 4-5 backups. Then I realized those backups are worthless to me. Titanium Backup makes a backup of my apps and all other data is synced to some other system in one form or another.
The only reason I was making backups was because I thought I might need to revert back to one in the case of a bad flash. In reality, if I have a bad flash...the first thing I'm going to do is use Odin to restore to JF6 and try the flash again, NOT restore my Nandroid backup.
Once I had that realization, I saved quite a bit of time in my ROM flashing "procedures" since I didn't have to wait for a Nandroid backup to complete, and then move it off the phone to a desktop.
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I think the nandriod backup is mostly best used for phones like the evo. With us, we have roms and builds and kernals and modems from galaxy s devices all over the world. Sometimes clockwork doesn't save all that to the backup, so going stock is the best thing to do before reverting back.
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I've just come to that realization after a bad flash with Axura. The ROM is great, but I tried Nandroiding and doing CWM recovery and neither time did my back up work. This has happened before and I'm sure as hell glad I bought Titanium Backup. I don't regret that one bit; same goes for ROM Manager Premium.
I back up the last 3 I used .....but save some apks from earlier ROMS. I used to have all of them but there is no point in having earlier Beta ROMS that were flashed months ago and since improved. They are ususally available online anyway.
This doesntl count the original Stock ROM and 1 click Odin.....Always need that one
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^ what he said
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I think the nandriod backup is mostly best used for phones like the evo. With us, we have roms and builds and kernals and modems from galaxy s devices all over the world. Sometimes clockwork doesn't save all that to the backup, so going stock is the best thing to do before reverting back.
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^^this^^
So I can't answer that poll because there is no zero option. I've never had a nandroid backup work.
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So my stock Infuse 4G is now Infused 2.1 and I LOVE it. So happy with the change. With that said, what is the number one BEST option to backup the phone in case I do anything stupid? I'm usually very thorough but sometimes I act too quickly.
I'm assuming booting in Recovery and doing the backup there is a good step, is there anything better? Never used Titanium but I see it mentioned a good deal but it seems that you can use it for some things yet not others. I just want a verified safe and secure method.
Also, another question if I may. Since I didn't do any type of backup to begin with, is it safe to assume I can't get back to Froyo at this point? Not that I really want to but I'd like to know either way.
Thanks!
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So my stock Infuse 4G is now Infused 2.1 and I LOVE it. So happy with the change. With that said, what is the number one BEST option to backup the phone in case I do anything stupid? I'm usually very thorough but sometimes I act too quickly.
I'm assuming booting in Recovery and doing the backup there is a good step, is there anything better? Never used Titanium but I see it mentioned a good deal but it seems that you can use it for some things yet not others. I just want a verified safe and secure method.
Also, another question if I may. Since I didn't do any type of backup to begin with, is it safe to assume I can't get back to Froyo at this point? Not that I really want to but I'd like to know either way.
Thanks!
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You can get back to Froyo but not without wiping your data.
Nandroid backups (from Recovery) can restore your phone to an EXACT state - apps, data, and ROM.
TiBu is fairly flexible and, for example, can take all of your installed apps, back them up along with their data, and restore the missing apps when you switch ROMs. (Be EXTREMELY careful restoring system data or data for non-missing apps - 90% of the time it will break.)
I use Call Logs Backup and Restore and SMS Backup and Restore to back up what TiBu can't
Ok so if I simply want to make one big global backup, the Nandroid backup is a good way to go? I'm not too concerned with backing up stuff individually, more of a 'once a month' type of backup so if something disastrous happens, I can get back to a working state.
Also, if I were to do something that maybe caused a boot loop or some other type of bricked scenario, what is the process for restoring the backup? As in, how do you get back into the Recovery option if you can't boot into the OS to begin with?
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Ok so if I simply want to make one big global backup, the Nandroid backup is a good way to go? I'm not too concerned with backing up stuff individually, more of a 'once a month' type of backup so if something disastrous happens, I can get back to a working state.
Also, if I were to do something that maybe caused a boot loop or some other type of bricked scenario, what is the process for restoring the backup? As in, how do you get back into the Recovery option if you can't boot into the OS to begin with?
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For that, you have the Ultimate brick solution though I've never had the need to try it.
I've been switching roms quite a bit lately. For each and everytime I :
(1) Do a Tibu backup of all system and apps
(2) Do a Nandroid backup (either from red cwm or from ROM mgr)
The Tibu is the logical backup while the Nandroid is the physical image backup.
So far, I've gone to Serendipity (too many issues) back to my trusted 1.6 without much effort. The Nandroid restore is initially not 100%, some of my shortcuts like gosms and my unlocker setup was messed up. But then I'll go into Tibu, check to see what apps are missing and just restore those. In my case, after restoring gosms and reboot, all is good. I think the apps that have a system equivalent, will need to be restored individually.
However, that said, I haven't been too successful with Tibu on restoring *all* apps installed under Froyo (Infused 1.6) to GB (S7). This is even with the pro's automated method. This is likely so because those apps don't work well with GB and nothing to do with Tibu.
I've been using Titanium Backup for over a year. Third different phone, and maybe 30 different ROM's. I've never had a problem what so ever. Just remember rule #1, when switching ROM's with TitBU... restore "missing apps and data" ONLY! And you'll be fine.
Jep56 said:
I've been using Titanium Backup for over a year. Third different phone, and maybe 30 different ROM's. I've never had a problem what so ever. Just remember rule #1, when switching ROM's with TitBU... restore "missing apps and data" ONLY! And you'll be fine.
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I second this. Moved between multiple phones, and hard-to-count number of roms, and TiBu was always there to help me out
So right now I'm using CWM to do my nandroid backups. I make one after I make any major updates or changes - call me a worry wort. I also use Titanium Backup.
With doing this, obviously it takes up a bit of room so I offload them to my computer. The issue here is if I do something detrimental and need to restore, I don't know of a way to get the backup files back onto the internal memory since you can't access them via CWM, if that makes sense.
I guess I can simply keep just the latest backup saved on the phone itself but I'm wondering if there's another method that I'm not aware of. Is there a way to get files copied to the internal memory if you can't fully boot into the OS?
Oh and one other question: Does a nandroid backup include every single item? Basically is it a 100% clone of the device or are some thing left out? Basically if I tried a completely different rom and then decided to go back to an entirely different rom, would I simply be able to restore it and be up and running? The last restore I did seems to indicate it does but that was going from different versions of the same rom.
nandroid is a clone of ur system.
diablo009 said:
nandroid is a clone of ur system.
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Ok that's what I figured; read something a bit ago which seemed to say something else.
So if I want to test a few completely different rom setups and make a nandroid backup of each one, I could essentially swap between them whenever I want by simply restoring them and I'll get back to the exact state as I was at the time they were made? Menus and all?
So apparently a kernel change will not get reverted via nandroid. Anything else? Just tried Entropy's daily driver and apparently it's a no go for me. Restored via nandroid and still freezes during 'X' boot animation.
I was running Infusion 1.1 and made sure to reset the VC O/C back to stock and reboot before updating...
I've decided to finally take the plunge and install a custom rom onto my Infuse. I've read through the various rom threads, but they are so saturated with information that I just can't figure out which I want to install.
So, I ask you guys. Which rom is the most stable? By that I mean: which rom will I have the least problems with? Honestly, I've had zero problems with stock, but I'm looking for something new. I would like to have as little problems as possible. I'm just sick of waiting around for the AT&T GB update.
Thanks in advance
I'm using SerendipityVII right now. It works quite well. Haven't had any problems.
I used Infusedv2 before changing to SVII, but I liked SVII's themes I saw out on the forum. Both ran amazingy well. I never had any problems with either of them. What I suggest is trying them out for yourself. Maybe you'll spot out a problem I didn't. So the best thing for you is to give them a go. If you don't like them, you can always go back to stock or simply install a different one. The instructions on how to install them are pretty much clear, and even if you accidentally brick it, Odin is always there to back you up. But my suggestion is Serendipity.
Awesome man thanks!
I think I will give Infused a try first, as I the Touchwiz look has grown on me quite a bit. Hopefully I don't mess this up!
No problem man. What I suggest is read some more info on how to unbrick it, just in case you do, you already have an idea on how to do it. This way, you won't freak out once it happens lol. I've actually bricked mine a couple of times already because I don't read the instructions carefully on how to flash different ROMs. LOL. So don't be stupid like me and take your time.
Definitely man was just reading through one now.
I'm a little worried about my system info though. The instructions for Infused rom say not to restore apps and data with Titanium Backup. Will my apps still be there when the rom boots up? Or is there another way I should go about backing them up?
This is all so confusing
Restore MISSING apps and data only.
As to stability - other than CM7/MIUI they're all stable. The Dlev port can potentially have some instability as it includes an overclock kernel by default. It's a quality-not-quantity game us devs play.
All of the ROMs have a few known issues (many traceable back to Rogers Gingerbread or all the way back to Google in the case of the Market large download issues), but no showstoppers.
When installing any new rom on your phone it is highly recommended that you delete all system data and wipe the cache.
FEAR not though!! Back up all your apps with data with titanium backup prior to flashing the new rom. Once the rom is flashed and you download titanium, run the batch to RESTORE MISSING APPS WITH DATA. This will put all your apps back onto your phone with any data they had(settings, saves in games, etc.)
I just started messing with roms myself and I'm enjoying it, just always make sure you have a recent backup with titanium before you flash and then you can enjoy.
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When installing any new rom on your phone it is highly recommended that you delete all system data and wipe the cache.
FEAR not though!! Back up all your apps with data with titanium backup prior to flashing the new rom. Once the rom is flashed and you download titanium, run the batch to RESTORE MISSING APPS WITH DATA. This will put all your apps back onto your phone with any data they had(settings, saves in games, etc.)
I just started messing with roms myself and I'm enjoying it, just always make sure you have a recent backup with titanium before you flash and then you can enjoy.
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Haha I just keep getting more confused!
If I back up with Titanium, wipe the cache and system data, and then flash the rom, won't that mean when the phone boots back up with Infused that it will have no apps or anything else on it? Even Titanium Backup?
If that is the case how will Titanium Backup know what to restore?
Wish I wasn't such a noob
You'll boot the rom that you installed without any apps unless they were packed with the rom. Once loaded, go to the market and download titanium again and it'll locate the back up you had. From there restore missing apps + data and it'll install all the apps you had previously when you backed up your phone.
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You'll boot the rom that you installed without any apps unless they were packed with the rom. Once loaded, go to the market and download titanium again and it'll locate the back up you had. From there restore missing apps + data and it'll install all the apps you had previously when you backed up your phone.
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Thanks so much. I had just started the installation figuring I would have to just re-download everything, but this is a huge relief haha
I'd advised getting the pro version btw. I believe the free version will let you do the batch install for all the apps, but you'll have to OK every single app it tries to install. The paid version won't make you do this, trust me you'll want the paid version.
BTW, it's cheaper to get the pro version from inside of the program than it is to get it off the market.
Holy crap that was super quick! I was thinking it would take hours to install.
Now just to get all my apps back!
Thanks for all the help everybody!
NP, enjoy. Using infused myself and it's pretty stable. Only gripe I have about it is the gps is pretty crappy. I haven't had a working gps since stock froyo.
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NP, enjoy. Using infused myself and it's pretty stable. Only gripe I have about it is the gps is pretty crappy. I haven't had a working gps since stock froyo.
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Yeah, that was a bit bothersome. Everytime I opened an app that needed GPS, I was like "Cr*p... I forgot. That doesn't work."
They are all good and stable.... But I am using Serendipity VII myself.
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One other thing besides purchasing TB Pro, is that you should back up every once in a while in CWM. Its take forever to restore if you need to use it, but i trust it over TB ANY DAY!!!! Just a suggestion.
I think for the most part all the ROMs are stable, but I've had the most success and have been happiest with Infuse 2.2
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In my opinion, the best ROM by far is the Miui ROM for this phone
I'm thinking about switching from cwm to twrp cause my cwm backups are taking up way too much room on my phone. I heard twrp doesn't use as much space.
My question is will my backups made in cwm work with twrp or do I need to make new ones. I have the stock TW backup from when I first rooted that is like to keep.
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I'm pretty sure you'll have to make new ones. Just the fact that TWRP's are smaller than CWM's would lead me to believe they use a whole different system of backing up.
I've only ever used CWM tho, so I dunno, may be possible. Stranger things than that have happened.
I was able to do a few searches and confirmed they are different. No biggie. I never got back to my stock one anyways. I can always Odin if things **** the bed!!
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What I did was load my stock backup with CWM, then flashed TWRP and made a backup. Then I flashed CWM again and loaded my most recent backup (or any other backups you want) followed by flashing TWRP and making another backup. Its extra steps, but doing so allows you to bring your old backups to TWRP.
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What I did was load my stock backup with CWM, then flashed TWRP and made a backup. Then I flashed CWM again and loaded my most recent backup (or any other backups you want) followed by flashing TWRP and making another backup. Its extra steps, but doing so allows you to bring your old backups to TWRP.
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+1. Only way to do it regardless of device. Just use EZ-Recovery and GooManager to swap recoveries back and forth.
Thanks for the replies. I ended up installing twrp, made a backup on my external SD and then copies it onto my PC in case something should happen. Deleted all my cwm files and freed up like 3.5 GB of storage!!
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I'm thinking about switching too. I loved CMW and Rom manager for my Droid Inc. but they don't have any rom updates any more. I'm not sorry I bought the pro app at the time but feel like it's pretty useless now.
I'm curious what are the advantages, especially with the vzw gs3, with using TWRP. Are there any reasons not to switch?
Thanks in advance for any help.
DividedByZer0 said:
I'm thinking about switching too. I loved CMW and Rom manager for my Droid Inc. but they don't have any rom updates any more. I'm not sorry I bought the pro app at the time but feel like it's pretty useless now.
I'm curious what are the advantages, especially with the vzw gs3, with using TWRP. Are there any reasons not to switch?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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I used CWM and Rom Manager with my Droid X, but now I use TWRP with my S3. The differences feel minimal, to me at least, and navigation and UI were very easy to pick up coming from CWM. The only problem I have had with TWRP is that my backups get automatically named with a date in the 1970s.... I think there is a fix for this now, however.
You mean CWM names them with the wrong date. TWRP you can choose your name.
If you dont opt to name it yourself and let it use a default name, it will still have the improper date like in CWM.
I just flashed the new Avatar Rom and after playing aroung with it for a while decided to go back to Embryo 6.2 which i did from a backup. Is it as clean when you install from a backup as it is doing a complete wipe and starting from scratch. Just curious.
restoring a backup puts the phone to pretty much whatever state u had it in, so if it was a dd running well, that's what u get.
I personally don't use ROM backups, and when I switch ROMs its to switch DD's, just my two cents
Thanks, it might be my imagination but when i installed the backup it seems a little slower than before. It may be my imagination. I guess I will let it run for another day before I start from scratch.
I found that my results differed when I did a full wipe before restoring (better) and when I restored without doing so (worse).
Others have reported different results though.