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Just thought some people not following their twitter might want to know:
@SamsungFirmware: BAD NEWS MAYBE WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUR WEBSITE! BECAUSE COPYRIGHT! We are checking it out.
This was posted an hour ago
UPDATE:
@SamsungFirmware: We missed a Disclaimer about our website.. We fix it all tonight and hope we keep running!
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Updates from their twitter:
@SamsungFirmware: Samsung wants my domain... Because of the name. samsung-firmware.com is already down they have the same problem.
@SamsungFirmware: We are busy with a new domain so site could be offline soon again YEAH
@SamFirmware: Site DOWN Why because we change it to www.SamFirmware.webs.com Later we go to www.SamFirmware.com
In the last post you can see they changed their twitter name
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ronandi said:
Just thought some people not following their twitter might want to know:
@SamsungFirmware: BAD NEWS MAYBE WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUR WEBSITE! BECAUSE COPYRIGHT! We are checking it out.
This was posted an hour ago
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this is bad news indeed!
Looks like they have to go... underground
Quick everyone, Start downloading and archiving it all before it is too late!
ronandi said:
Just thought some people not following their twitter might want to know:
@SamsungFirmware: BAD NEWS MAYBE WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUR WEBSITE! BECAUSE COPYRIGHT! We are checking it out.
This was posted an hour ago
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Not sure how its a copy writing issue, they aren't making any money off samsungs property (roms). They aren't editing them and releasing them as a samsung property....should be interesting.
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Clienterror said:
Not sure how its a copy writing issue, they aren't making any money off samsungs property (roms). They aren't editing them and releasing them as a samsung property....should be interesting.
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I've asked if they can provide any more details at this time. Will post if I find out more.
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You don't have to do anything wrong to get a letter from a company lawyer. If some exec gets a bug up his butt and sics his legal department on you, right and wrong have nothing to do with it.
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You don't have to do anything wrong to get a letter from a company lawyer. If some exec gets a bug up his butt and sics his legal department on you, right and wrong have nothing to do with it.
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That's true. But out of curiosity I've been looking up forms of copy write laws, and they all basically deal with either taking someone's work and putting your name on it exclusively, or selling it or both, or a combination of the two. Besides that the rest applies to copying music which is obviously considered illegal but that is still kind of a gray area. And of course copying games and programs.....but that's targeted towards paid games/apps. So as far as "Copy write infringement" by definition it holds no water. Then again if someone can sue NC Soft for making Linage II too addicting and actually successfully start a lawsuit anything could happen rofl.
I can see why they would get in copyright hot water over what they do. All the work that they host is technically property of Samsung and their partners after all. I would hate for them to be killed off, as their releases have helped us a lot. Samsung should think twice about this though, because I bet without the glimmer of hope shown by the GPS improvements in JH2, there would have been a lot more returns Samsung would be dealing with.
New update from their twitter:
@SamsungFirmware: We missed a Disclaimer about our website.. We fix it all tonight and hope we keep running!
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Well, either they've taken it down for updating, or it's down completely, either way I can't get to it right now.
From facebook:
Samsung-Firmware Webs SITE IS DOWN. WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH SAMSUNG. WE ARE WORKING ON NEW DOMAIN,
way to have your **** together... >.<
It figures, the day that I decide I'm going to update. Hope they can get it back up soon.
Updates from their twitter:
@SamsungFirmware: Samsung wants my domain... Because of the name. samsung-firmware.com is already down they have the same problem.
@SamsungFirmware: We are busy with a new domain so site could be offline soon again YEAH
@SamFirmware: Site DOWN Why because we change it to www.SamFirmware.webs.com Later we go to www.SamFirmware.com
In the last post you can see they changed their twitter name as well
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rajendra82 said:
I can see why they would get in copyright hot water over what they do. All the work that they host is technically property of Samsung and their partners after all. I would hate for them to be killed off, as their releases have helped us a lot. Samsung should think twice about this though, because I bet without the glimmer of hope shown by the GPS improvements in JH2, there would have been a lot more returns Samsung would be dealing with.
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So if they are getting in trouble due to basically posting roms from samsung and nothing else what do you call it when people modify their original code to make custom roms? Are they going to jail because not only are they posting samsung property their modifying without samsungs permission.
This is probably a trademark issue, since their domain included Samsung in its name. If it was a copyright issue, they couldn't just change the domain name and continue operating.
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So if they are getting in trouble due to basically posting roms from samsung and nothing else what do you call it when people modify their original code to make custom roms? Are they going to jail because not only are they posting samsung property their modifying without samsungs permission.
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Dont forget that what xda does is illegal too, but its been tolerated by the companies so far because of the positive effects xda has on the popularity of the smartphones from these companies.
I dont think that samsung has a problem with what these website does, but purely of the use of her brandname. For example: the first time i heard of samsung-firmwares i thought it was something official by samsung. After visiting xda i learned it was not.
So the reason is just that samsung doesnt want to be associated with this website, because of the experimental stuff. You will get lot of stupid people complaining to samsung about broken smartphones.
Can we please keep the latest version of swype on a single thread for us to download? There are so many threads about swype and all it's themes but i can't find the latest version of "Vanilla" swype anywhere. I am not on the beta swype group, so the swype installer doesn't work for me. I need an .apk
So what is the latest? And can someone please provide the .apk
mods, please forgive my ignorance if this is something that is forbidden.
afaik its being worked on by some people on irc but not perfected yet ill let you know if i hear anything new
I recently installed the official latest beta and swype sucks four me now. Came to the forum to look for a link to an earlier version. Poor accuracy, junk words, constant"hidden word"pop ups and words won't delete. On top of all that swype stops responding after every reboot, habr (habr is good example) to switch to regular keyboard and back- known bug on dinc. Garbage now.
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marcmarshall said:
I recently installed the official latest beta and swype sucks four me now. Came to the forum to look for a link to an earlier version. Poor accuracy, junk words, constant"hidden word"pop ups and words won't delete. On top of all that swype stops responding after every reboot, habr (habr is good example) to switch to regular keyboard and back- known bug on dinc. Garbage now.
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That had to do with the apk you have. It has been edited because swype implemented security that is supposed to keep you from using it if you are not a registered swype user for the beta program. I hear that the evo swype works tho.
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No, I am a registerd user and this is the official latest beta. It blows
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No, I am a registerd user and this is the official latest beta. It blows
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Well no issue here...
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Guys, I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but swype has asked pretty nicely for their beta to stay for registered users. they have been pretty cool about it (my thread stayed open for a long time) if someone posts a new beta with their security cracked, they are going to be pissed off and take it out on xda. Just my 2 cents.
I'd pay for swype if they would put up a final release. Get on it swype!
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No, I am a registerd user and this is the official latest beta. It blows
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I'm having the same issues. Posted in the q&a forums, but not much for responses yet. What rom are you using?
Go to the evo's forum. Thats where I download the swype i'm using to type this message lol.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8213068&postcount=37
Seems to work fine. Newest version.
-M
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Wow. That surprises me. It is seriously bad for me. Others on the Swype forum report similar problems. (funny I was just able to Swype all this without a pop up!)
bilbobrian said:
Guys, I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but swype has asked pretty nicely for their beta to stay for registered users. they have been pretty cool about it (my thread stayed open for a long time) if someone posts a new beta with their security cracked, they are going to be pissed off and take it out on xda. Just my 2 cents.
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The problem most people have is that the Swype company doesn't allow new beta sign-ups. I don't understand why they are limiting the number of people that can test their product. I would gladly pay for swype even if it was in beta. But since I can't pay for it, because it's not on sale, i must "pirate" it.
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The problem most people have is that the Swype company doesn't allow new beta sign-ups. I don't understand why they are limiting the number of people that can test their product. I would gladly pay for swype even if it was in beta. But since I can't pay for it, because it's not on sale, i must "pirate" it.
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Can you explain to the rest of the class why you have a *right* to use Swype?
Behavior like this is exactly why developers walk away from a platform. Then again, I'd expect nothing less from the xda DInc community.
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Behavior like this is exactly why developers walk away from a platform.
So do you think apple is going to drop their platform because of all the jail breaking. The new os was jail broke the day after it came out.
I once read an opinion that MS actually profited from the days before they started all their elaborate activation protocols and you could simply copy Office from any CD, usually from where you worked. The idea was that the ubiquitous theft of the software caused it to be the predominant platform and drove the competitors out (whatever happened to Word Perfect?)
I doubt Swype is too upset about ( a relatively small number of geeky) users who like their software so much they are hacking it into their phones. Not like they are losing sales since it's not for sale anyway.
I'm not condoning software theft, just don't think the code police are going to start tracking us down via the gps on our phones or shut down the forum. Nor do I think Swype is going to give up developing and marketing for the Android platform.
The point arronjb is trying to make is, when a company puts security on software and someone cracks it that is completely wrong and in my opinion is outright theft. I personally don't think its too big of a deal for a beta to get passed around if there is no lock on it. This is the reason I closed my thread. Btw aaronjb low blow about the dinc forum.... Again just my 2 cents
bilbobrian
when a company puts security on software and someone cracks it that is completely wrong
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Can't argue with that, their intention is clear. I don't think HTC wants us rooting and cooking roms either then. I guess the difference may be that I own my phone. The courts recently ruled that phone providers cannot stop people from unlocking and hacking their phones, except in certain situations I believe.
I also wonder why aaronjb singled out the dinc forum on XDA?
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Can you explain to the rest of the class why you have a *right* to use Swype?
Behavior like this is exactly why developers walk away from a platform. Then again, I'd expect nothing less from the xda DInc community.
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Really? This is no different than the music industry *****ing. The nature of the internet is supply and demand. How many people p2p anymore for music? Itunes and Amazon sell music for what people will buy it for. Until swype sells a product, this will be what goes on.
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Really? This is no different than the music industry *****ing. The nature of the internet is supply and demand. How many people p2p anymore for music? Itunes and Amazon sell music for what people will buy it for. Until swype sells a product, this will be what goes on.
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Oh, sorry, didn't realize you were an Internet genius and Robin Hood rolled into one. Back on topic:
http://swype.uservoice.com/forums/1...l-response-to-downloadable-versions?ref=title
Is anyone else having a problem with this version of swype? I have installed and uninstalled it NUMEROUS times. It will work for a day or so, then for no reason at all it locks up and you can't swype at all. You have to touch to type. What's up with that? I'm getting sick of doing the installer and uninstalling over and over again.
While I know this might not be the greatest place to put this here, and I'm not trying to start any flame wars, but I figured because this topic implies the bettering of our phones, I thought I should put this here.
With the recent Google affair about not releasing the source code on Honeycomb, how open can we expect Android to be? Technically speaking, the only open thing about Android is the app store, and even that has seen better days.
While some people think that Google is doing this just because they feel like it, I honestly believe that they rushed somewhere and need to patch the hole before more malware-like apps enter the app store and wreak havoc on Honeycomb.
So I leave the question here, what do you guys think about this whole ordeal, and has this effected your views on Google in anyway?
They will release it
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They have to release it, it is open source.
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They have to release it, it is open source.
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No they don't if they dont want to!
Go and read up on the Apache Software Licence, which Android is licensed under.
That being said, I fully expect Google to release the source code when they are good and ready.
Regards,
Dave
I also believe that they abuse the term open, anyway.
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I also believe that they abuse the term open, anyway.
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Openness means, among others, that you can grab sources, close them and release only binaries. Otherwise it would be copyleft, not true openness.
I know its so painfully obvious, but has anyone actually tried to contact samsung to get the development resources we need? Drivers and the such.
Beyond a doubt they left this phone to sink a long time ago, but the sidekick community is die-hard and all we want is the phone we thought we were getting. And we can have that phone, with no added work by Sasung - we have the devs and the will! We only need the way.
It would not be too difficult to draft a polite but demanding business letter/ petition and have all of us send it in. Shoot, if we got the story to the XDA mods we could probably get support site-wide for "dedicated sidekick/android enthusiasts want freedom for their phone - device never allowed upgrade from froyo". You guys might see this as stretching it, but a majority of people on XDA have samsung devices and would hate to see their own development halted by the company.
Strength in numbers. Not to mention, this kind of outcry would show samsung that the sidekick (keyboard devices) are still sought after and will be fought for. Somewhere in our petition should say the resources are just to hold us over until they release the next model which will NOT get treated like the red-headed stepchild the 4G did.
You'd be surprised what a small, vocal group can get done. If anyone has any background on this type of thing, say so. if nobody else steps up I will write it tuesday-Thursday and post it for any revisions, then we can each take a copy and send it. Even a simple facebook page or cheap website would add so much to this cause.
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Tsloble said:
I know its so painfully obvious, but has anyone actually tried to contact samsung to get the development resources we need? Drivers and the such.
Beyond a doubt they left this phone to sink a long time ago, but the sidekick community is die-hard and all we want is the phone we thought we were getting. And we can have that phone, with no added work by Sasung - we have the devs and the will! We only need the way.
It would not be too difficult to draft a polite but demanding business letter/ petition and have all of us send it in. Shoot, if we got the story to the XDA mods we could probably get support site-wide for "dedicated sidekick/android enthusiasts want freedom for their phone - device never allowed upgrade from froyo". You guys might see this as stretching it, but a majority of people on XDA have samsung devices and would hate to see their own development halted by the company.
Strength in numbers. Not to mention, this kind of outcry would show samsung that the sidekick (keyboard devices) are still sought after and will be fought for. Somewhere in our petition should say the resources are just to hold us over until they release the next model which will NOT get treated like the red-headed stepchild the 4G did.
You'd be surprised what a small, vocal group can get done. If anyone has any background on this type of thing, say so. if nobody else steps up I will write it tuesday-Thursday and post it for any revisions, then we can each take a copy and send it. Even a simple facebook page or cheap website would add so much to this cause.
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I'm for it. I think it's a great idea to sign a petition requesting to Samsung at least a test build of Gingerbread. :good:
Agreed broda's we have to do this.:thumbup:
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I like the idea! I'm not a dev so I wouldn't be able to write the letter, but I can help edit.
I will write up a draft tomorrow after my studies, leaving the appropriate "technical" spots easily editable so that we can get exactly what we need from Samsung per the Devs instruction.
Thank you guys for your support on this, I truly believe good can come of this!
Maybe we can direct them to our sidekick wishlist thread while we're at it ;D
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I would definitely help to, but English is not my main language. So i would try to help with the petition!
If samsung releases the driver source code I can make a stable CM6 and a BETA CM7 for this community. Butttttttt.....I don't see it happening.
Im up for it, count me in. Sure never doubt the power and determination of an online community especially an open source one like xda
I doubt anything would happen for sk4g. We did similar things in the sgs4g community. Samsung is more like honey badger...
Of course we should try, but i'm not sure that Samsung will help us after 2 years of doing nothing....
I'll post it up within the half hour - this week was busier than expected. And unless Samsung completely destroyed everything relating to our device, it should be as simple as a developers release right?
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I'll post it up within the half hour - this week was busier than expected. And unless Samsung completely destroyed everything relating to our device, it should be as simple as a developers release right?
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Yup
Here is draft one. Feel free to download the doc and make adjustments. Let's just be sure that the majority of our community agree on the final product and then we can take action. I will be sending out the story to Gizmodo/Engadget and stuff too... If this isn't an underdog tech story I don't know what is. You guys might think that's over the top, but it's just not right for a company to abandon their customer and it is never too late to make amends.
To Whom It May Concern:
This is a formal petition regarding the Samsung SGH-T839 device (T-Mobile Sidekick 4G).
We, the loyal consumers (and other), request through this petition that you kindly release development information & resources regarding the SGH-T839. This request is being made due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device since its launch April 20th, 2011. Please note that this device shipped with Android Operating System (Android from this point) Version 2.2 “Froyo” which was released May 20th, 2010. This is despite the fact that the SGH-T839 launch date was over four months after the release of Android Version 2.3 “Gingerbread” (released December 6th, 2010).
Not only was the device shipped with an outdated operating system, but a Kies / Over the Air Update to Gingerbread was never released. This came as a shock to all loyal consumers of the SGH-T839 as Samsung continued to update other devices to the new Android version and release new devices with Gingerbread already installed. In addition to the lack of support, the SGH-T839 had many bugs such as a keystroke logger within the system, the keyboard software missed keystrokes, and frequent Force-Close of applications.
These problems, amongst others, have been thoroughly logged by the XDA Developers Community (www.xda-developers.com). Amazingly, there is a large community of SGH-T839 users that are dedicated to the device and have managed to correct many of the software-related defects that were shipped with the device. This petition requests that Samsung release the following development items to the XDA Development Community, that the loyal consumer of their product may be able to enjoy everything that the SGH-T839 is capable of:
We urge you not to overlook this petition, as it is being circulated amongst several online communities that are dedicated to the Android Open Source Project for support. The influence of these communities over Samsung’s broader handheld-device customer base runs very deep; the XDA Developers Community alone has over 4.7 million registered users. We, the loyal consumer (and other), anticipate a prompt response to this matter. We also look forward to increased involvement from Samsung pertaining to the Android Open Source Project and hopefully a future device with similar form-factor of the SGH-T839.
Sincerely,
Edit 2: Was just thinking maybe "Release source to XDA community should be create developers release pack or something?
Tsloble said:
Here is draft one. Feel free to download the doc and make adjustments. Let's just be sure that the majority of our community agree on the final product and then we can take action. I will be sending out the story to Gizmodo/Engadget and stuff too... If this isn't an underdog tech story I don't know what is. You guys might think that's over the top, but it's just not right for a company to abandon their customer and it is never too late to make amends.
To Whom It May Concern:
This is a formal petition regarding the Samsung SGH-T839 device (T-Mobile Sidekick 4G).
We, the loyal consumers (and other), request through this petition that you kindly release development information & resources regarding the SGH-T839. This request is being made due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device since its launch April 20th, 2011. Please note that this device shipped with Android Operating System (Android from this point) Version 2.2 “Froyo” which was released May 20th, 2010. This is despite the fact that the SGH-T839 launch date was over four months after the release of Android Version 2.3 “Gingerbread” (released December 6th, 2010).
Not only was the device shipped with an outdated operating system, but a Kies / Over the Air Update to Gingerbread was never released. This came as a shock to all loyal consumers of the SGH-T839 as Samsung continued to update other devices to the new Android version and release new devices with Gingerbread already installed. In addition to the lack of support, the SGH-T839 had many bugs such as a keystroke logger within the system, the keyboard software missed keystrokes, and frequent Force-Close of applications.
These problems, amongst others, have been thoroughly logged by the XDA Developers Community (www.xda-developers.com). Amazingly, there is a large community of SGH-T839 users that are dedicated to the device and have managed to correct many of the software-related defects that were shipped with the device. This petition requests that Samsung release the following development items to the XDA Development Community, that the loyal consumer of their product may be able to enjoy everything that the SGH-T839 is capable of:
We urge you not to overlook this petition, as it is being circulated amongst several online communities that are dedicated to the Android Open Source Project for support. The influence of these communities over Samsung’s broader handheld-device customer base runs very deep; the XDA Developers Community alone has over 4.7 million registered users. We, the loyal consumer (and other), anticipate a prompt response to this matter. We also look forward to increased involvement from Samsung pertaining to the Android Open Source Project and hopefully a future device with similar form-factor of the SGH-T839.
Sincerely,
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I think we should ask for the release source for devoleping
I do not believe any of the official ROMs had the keystroke print statements enabled... someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking Samsung for. Any partially complete work toward GB they might have laying around? Not to curse our chances, but I think they are not likely to release source for proprietary drivers.
Be very clear about what you're asking for. They might seriously consider one such request, if it is well reasoned, and within their power to grant.
One other thing to consider is sending this petition to T-Mobile as well. They can exert considerably more pressure on Samsung.
I left the "specific request" blank. It goes at the end of the 2nd to last paragraph after the colon. That's why it looks like I didn't ask for anything. If someone with the knowledge wants to give that list, it can be added and the other revisions can be made.
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Good first draft. Keep in mind your audience, though. We're unlikely to get Samsung to help us by insulting them. For example, "due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device" should be replaced with a different reason. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Maybe something about how the device has great potential, especially with the physical keyboard, but has been limited by its operating system. Speaking of keyboards, didn't pretty much all or most ROMs at the time come with the so-called key-logger? Also, keep in mind that Samsung and T-Mobile have no interest in supporting the Sidekick because they don't make any more money off it. They make money by getting people to upgrade to new phones. So whatever we ask them has to be easy for them, like just releasing to developers whatever they have lying around that isn't proprietary. Lastly, it's a bit misleading to say there are X million XDA members. The vast majority of them couldn't care less about the SK; I'm sure the SK community is rather small. Maybe highlight this fact: there are a few of us developers who love the SK as a development machine but our hands are tied because we don't have the code, etc. etc.
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Good first draft. Keep in mind your audience, though. We're unlikely to get Samsung to help us by insulting them. For example, "due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device" should be replaced with a different reason. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Maybe something about how the device has great potential, especially with the physical keyboard, but has been limited by its operating system. Speaking of keyboards, didn't pretty much all or most ROMs at the time come with the so-called key-logger? Also, keep in mind that Samsung and T-Mobile have no interest in supporting the Sidekick because they don't make any more money off it. They make money by getting people to upgrade to new phones. So whatever we ask them has to be easy for them, like just releasing to developers whatever they have lying around that isn't proprietary. Lastly, it's a bit misleading to say there are X million XDA members. The vast majority of them couldn't care less about the SK; I'm sure the SK community is rather small. Maybe highlight this fact: there are a few of us developers who love the SK as a development machine but our hands are tied because we don't have the code, etc. etc.
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Totally agree with this.
T-Mobile knows that they have everything because of loyal customers, not to mention how many of the hundreds of thousands of people who owned Sidekicks. Samsung understands this which is obviously why they decided to pick up the device two years ago.
Play this to our advantage. Tug on their heartstrings, so to speak.
Yeah, I agree. Haha I guess this letter wasn't the place to let my frustrations out ;P
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I couldn't help to immediately notice how conspicuous it is that XDA has created forums for small, still in development OS'S like Tizen, Sailfish, Firefox, Ubuntu Phone, and heck, even Bada. What's the deal gents? I know some of you must have discussed it.
Regardless of whether you like or dislike them, BlackBerry 10 OS is live to market, and they still have the 3rd place in global market share. There has to be some reason this doesn't recognition here and even Bada does?
Please, refrain from posts like this complaining about xda. Its just the os is new and we are a development forum. We know nothing of developing on that software yet and it still hasn't come to many carriers, mainly in America. So quit your rambling because it might take some time for the z10 and q10 to gain its respective forums. So the reason why we have bada, ubuntu, and even a sister iPhone site, is because we can DEVELOP on them. This is not tech support. This is development.
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Please, refrain from posts like this complaining about xda. Its just the os is new and we are a development forum. We know nothing of developing on that software yet and it still hasn't come to many carriers, mainly in America. So quit your rambling because it might take some time for the z10 and q10 to gain its respective forums. So the reason why we have bada, ubuntu, and even a sister iPhone site, is because we can DEVELOP on them. This is not tech support. This is development.
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I didn't note any animosity toward xda in the OP's post. But using your own argument begs the question, where are the development forums for OS5, 6 or 7? Surely they've been around long enough with all the US carriers, even some pre-paids. Could it be that YOU don't know anything about the platform? Perhaps there is something to the OP's query that could be better explained by the powers that be.
XDA was never a blackberry site, simply because (I presume, this is all historical now) the BB was generally a phone provided by your company, which was heavily locked down, and you were to just use it like a good employee, who does what he's told...
There's not much interest in Blackberry anyway, and tech rumours are certainly worth taking a look at RE RIM's long term future...
Looneytoon98 said:
I didn't note any animosity toward xda in the OP's post. But using your own argument begs the question, where are the development forums for OS5, 6 or 7? Surely they've been around long enough with all the US carriers, even some pre-paids. Could it be that YOU don't know anything about the platform? Perhaps there is something to the OP's query that could be better explained by the powers that be.
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Thanks, you understood my intention correctly.
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There's not much interest in Blackberry anyway, and tech rumours are certainly worth taking a look at RE RIM's long term future...
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There are zero credible signs one way or the other regarding how the new overhaul is doing yet from a business standpoint or consumer interest.
How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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omnius1 said:
There are zero credible signs one way or the other regarding how the new overhaul is doing yet from a business standpoint or consumer interest.
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There are signs though of other R&D work, which are credible, and have images which couldn't really be faked unless you were with RIM...
I assume that the OS is not open source and thus there's no way to develop for it?
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How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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BB is ahead of wp8 currently in mobile OS market share
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I assume that the OS is not open source and thus there's no way to develop for it?
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Would that also not apply to wp8 which does have a presence here?
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How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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BlackBerry (formerly RIM) is the number 3 platform worldwide. Emerging markets (read: anywhere outside the US) are snatching up old Curves and Pearls at a ridiculous pace. It is reasonable to expect a Windows Mobile area on XDA because of its history and once-dominant presence. It's also plausible to see Sailfish, Ubuntu and even webOS here because they're Linux-based as is Android. But to exclude BlackBerry and not Windows Phone 7/8 on the basis of marketshare is, to paraphrase Tony Montana, "a pig that doesn't fly too straight".
Buddy what can i say is BB 10 is just now launched and we didnt even know what it is based on. Xda is place of devs/users for Android, iOS and Windows phones.
Ok just check, in 2007-8 have u been to Xda?? I think no.. why??
Now, we are in stage where we all need to know what BB 10 is giving to us. Over which it is running and how much user capacity is there.
Let Admin/Xda commitee to take decision. May b next step would b adding BB10 support.
Just wait and watch buddy. I thought ur subject of thread will b changed soon.:sly:
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