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Hy guys and gals, i have done some digging on the nVidia developers forums and have found a thread requesting info on if/when nVidia plans to drop the source for the HAL that we need so our amazing developers can get A2DP working
I'm posting the link below, maybe if enough of us go into the thread requesting this info nVidia will comply
EDIT: nVidia updated their forum and our topic was tossed into the archive and not brought over, to remind them that this is still a valid issue I have re-created the thread, please if you want to try at getting A2DP to work with non OTA based rom's go voice your opinion
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Link not working, im all for it a2dp would make cm7 perfect.
This would be great! Then I could finally buy a Bluetooth Stereo Headset.
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I'd love to see this happen, but I don't see it anytime soon. Nvidia has been historically bad at releasing their source code.
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Link not working, im all for it a2dp would make cm7 perfect.
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Link worked perfectly fine for me, both on my TF101 earlier and just now on my g2x.....not sure why it didn't work for u
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Lets get this moving
Sadly, they aren't required by any license to release their source code, which is why I have no idea if/when it'll ever happen. Their drivers for their own chips are definitely not gpl, so bugging them will not put any pressure on them at all.
lawsuit??? Lol worked for lg...
It'll never work. You can't sue them because they won't release their source code. That's like saying "Hey let's sue microsoft because they won't release the source to their kernel." It's their property, and they can do what they like with it. If android didn't run on top of the linux kernel, which is gpl licensed, I'd almost guarantee that no vendor would ever release the source for it.
Not trying to be a buzz-kill or anything, I want the source code as much as anyone else. But no amount of threatening lawsuits, bugging them through email, forums, or phone calls will change their minds. If they intend on releasing the source, they'll do it in their own time, if not, we're SOL.
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Sadly, they aren't required by any license to release their source code, which is why I have no idea if/when it'll ever happen. Their drivers for their own chips are definitely not gpl, so bugging them will not put any pressure on them at all.
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Then it is probably a bad move to use Nvidia hardware on an open source platform like Android.
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I was kidding about it, we can wait for 2.3.4-5 ota...
It may be Nvidia's right to keep it's code proprietary, but I can't imagine buying another Android device with one of their chips in it unless something changes.
We are evolving very fast, I don't know if nVidia can assume the Windows GPU market will always be there for them. If Android dominates the next decade or so the way that Windows did the last then manufacturers are obviously going to have to adapt or perish.
No way, there will always be a market for high end video cards on windows, simply for gaming if nothing else. Sure, they may not make it in the cell phone market (although I doubt that too, just because they are very good with hardware, they'll work out the kinks.)
You have to remember, the vast majority of people who buy these phones don't even know what a rom is, let alone the fact that they can customize it. The modding community is a small (albeit very vocal,) minority.
Also, please no one read between the lines on these posts I've made. I'm no insider, I have no information what so ever from nvidia. I'm really only basing these educated guesses based on my experience with nvidia and linux drivers. They may very well open the source, but I'm just trying to say don't hold your breath, and screaming at nvidia is absolutely pointless.
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None of the companies release their proprietary drivers to the public. It is their right as the intellectual property owner to keep it secret. The only thing that is open source is the Android Kernel and the AOSP files. Everything else is proprietary and not made public. Even Google Apps are proprietary and Google never releases the source code for them. Also, only members of the Open Handset Alliance can license them and legally put them into their rom builds. Any efforts contrary to this (i.e., getting companies to release proprietary driver source) is simply futile and a waste of time. They could care a rat's ass about hackers. If you don't like it don't buy their products, but then you have to stop buying everyone's product as they all have proprietary code that is never released.
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Then it is probably a bad move to use Nvidia hardware on an open source platform like Android.
Spread the word...
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You are right-on here. I will be looking at this when I eventually upgrade down the road, and will probably select a lesser device with different hardware (as long as the manufacturer doesn't ship it with a locked bootloader - lol).
Real open source is the only way to go. But as many posters have mentioned. we represent a very small group of potential customers - most whom would never dream of messing around with their devices.
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You are right-on here. I will be looking at this when I eventually upgrade down the road, and will probably select a lesser device with different hardware (as long as the manufacturer doesn't ship it with a locked bootloader - lol).
Real open source is the only way to go. But as many posters have mentioned. we represent a very small group of potential customers - most whom would never dream of messing around with their devices.
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Then you want to get the MI Millet MIUI phone when it is available in your country. It is a dual core 1.5Ghz Scorpion processor and they expect you to update it weekly with new MIUI builds. It is an awesome device for the low price point (1,999 Chinese Yuan or about $300.00 US).
http://product.xiaomi.com/features.html
Go salivate.
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None of the companies release their proprietary drivers to the public. It is their right as the intellectual property owner to keep it secret. The only thing that is open source is the Android Kernel and the AOSP files. Everything else is proprietary and not made public. Even Google Apps are proprietary and Google never releases the source code for them. Also, only members of the Open Handset Alliance can license them and legally put them into their rom builds. Any efforts contrary to this (i.e., getting companies to release proprietary driver source) is simply futile and a waste of time. They could care a rat's ass about hackers. If you don't like it don't buy their products, but then you have to stop buying everyone's product as they all have proprietary code that is never released.
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Not refuting what your saying but why do other phones seem to not have this problem if they all do this. Only tegra 2 devices have development ****ed because of this.
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xsteven77x said:
Not refuting what your saying but why do other phones seem to not have this problem if they all do this. Only tegra 2 devices have development ****ed because of this.
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I'd imagine its for the same reason our devices and other tegra devices can only play the tegra games hence incentive tobuy a tegra phone. I think if they released code then any dev could hack their phone and play tegra games without having a tegra chip. Just a hunch.
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Hope this hasn't been posted before. Has anyone read about this?
I think it's plausible for this to/can happen.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-CEO-ZOMG-Android-to-be-closed-after-Motorola-purchase_id26984
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de que habla este foro?
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So much for an English forum! HUH!
There is no way that would happen. Androids shares would drop like a turn you have been holding in for a week. (Yes, thats a comparison)
What? Plausible for HP to say "Oooo you really need to keep WebOS going for us because maybe in some twisted mirror universe Google will make Android closed source and only available on Motorola"
That's all that has happened. HP have said something stupid about Android.
The article even points out WHY Google wouldn't make Android closed source and only available on Motorola.
It may be a good talking point for WebOS, but it's not going to happen. They would have to make Android closed source in order to make it exclusive to Google/Motorola. And since the source is already out there, non Motorola OEMs could continue development on their own or abandon it and go with something else like Windows Phone. It wouldn't be beneficial for Android and I can't see Google doing it.
Where does google make most of its money?
Why would Google develope and release a free and open sourced operating system everyone can use?
Ad Revenue
If Android were to turn closed sourced, Google would loss profit potential. Meg Whitman is an idiot if she thinks Android is going to be closed sourced.
She's just doing her job.
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This would be good for WP7 if true.
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She's just doing her job.
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Well, she's arguably not doing a very good job of it. webOS needs a cheerleader who will make everyone want to use it. Clumsily spreading rumors and FUD about a competitor is not going to garner support for her product, especially such a farfetched rumor.
Here's an idea: find someone (hint: hp can make hardware!) to make a killer device that runs webOS. Make it inexpensive, powerful, give it great battery life and a great design. Then get it into the hands of every developer you can. Send a box of them to Rovio. Give them to Verizon and AT&T (it better be dual-mode like the 4S) employees for free.
Then, make it a point to tell every vendor, carrier, software developer, reviewer, and blogger how great it and webOS is, citing legitimate points and statistics. Send a device to all them. Make something they love and make sure they know it's here to stay. If hp legitimately wants it to be a viable open source OS that other vendors will want to use, they need to shove it down their throats and make it super easy for devs to get it running.
Finally, don't delay it, don't put it on the market for 2 weeks and pull it, don't jack up the price, and don't give it some stupid achille's heel like a PenTile screen or something.
Then webOS will succeed.
When it goes open source, I'm sure Samsung and HTC will make a device. The hardware was the only thing that was really limiting WebOS.
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I Am Marino said:
If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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Considering hp tried and failed to sell it to htc, I think that ship has sailed.
Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Agreed. Android is an ad/data wet dream for Google.
The data and social engineering aspects for targeting advertisements are massive. They've already invaded your Internets with google and computers with Chrome.
We all hear about all these anonymous usage statistics, but sometimes I'm surprised at how targeted the advertisements feel sometimes.
Probably one of the things that scared me the most was that I recently received a Motorcycle magazine. I've been interested in getting one for a while, but have never actively given my information to anyone before... Just using google, and looking at review of bikes. It's kind of scary that someone got my information, and was able to (at least I feel like) target those advertisements at me.
the google & motorola marriage was approved and completed already by the court
yet Android is still open source
so that old news is just HP trying to get some fly time and pitch WebOS again, but failed yet again
Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
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Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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He means its a known fact apple users buy more apps than android ones. That's based on various statistics so not just a subjective opinion though the reasons for it are not so clearcut.
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The announcement of the O2x receiving an ISC OTA in the 2nd quarter ( anyone really believe that ) will probably be the end of support for our phones . Well this is my last stand to get the source to our devs please join her just copy #Releasethesource and paste here
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=334420639902596
Update I've been blocked from leaving comments
Thanks guys
Release source from nvidia? Sorry, but won't happen. They already said they wouldn't be part of open source, but if the O2X gets ICS, we get it too (by porting and whatnot).
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The announcement of the O2x receiving an ISC OTA in the 2nd quarter ( anyone really believe that ) will probably be the end of support for our phones . Well this is my last stand to get the source to our devs please join her just copy #Releasethesource and paste here
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=334420639902596
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that's because you spammed them with too many comments
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It hurts to try I guess...
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don't you mean it doesn't hurt to try?
and no it doesn't, but like stated above, nvidia won't release their source code, no matter how much we ask
The only method that may work is for a company which litigates against NVIDIA for patent or intellectual property infringement. The litigation may force disclosure of source code but, if it does, the documents will probably be sealed by the court so that only the litigant(s) will have access.
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The only method that may work is for a company which litigates against NVIDIA for patent or intellectual property infringement. The litigation may force disclosure of source code but, if it does, the documents will probably be sealed by the court so that only the litigant(s) will have access.
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What you talking bout Willis?
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What you talking bout Willis?
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Reread it, makes perfect sense.
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newnoobkid said:
What you talking bout Willis?
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Basically, say a partner of LG can't get a part to work with the G3x, and its because they dont have access to drivers. They go to court with nvidia, nvidia shares source code with said company, and that's where it ends. Said company wouldn't be allowed to share with the public, unless granted permission by nvidia, which WON'T happen.
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Or Google could bring litigation against nvidia or better yet LG. Since nvidia said it would be LG that would release the HAL and that they shouldn't. For violating open source.
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Or Google could bring litigation against nvidia or better yet LG. Since nvidia said it would be LG that would release the HAL and that they shouldn't. For violating open source.
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So who should I beg?
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So who should I beg?
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Apparently no one. Nvidia/LG want the benefits of open source but want to keep anything nvidia makes proprietary.
Anyone feel like explaining how the whole binary blob thing bypasses open source rules?
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So who should I beg?
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Just stop trying, its not gonna work. Understand that.
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Assuming that the phone would be loaded with the partially closed-source Cyanogen, are there any official news whether the kernel or the ROM itself would be released as sources so we can get proper open-sourced ROMs going?
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Assuming that the phone would be loaded with the partially closed-source Cyanogen, are there any official news whether the kernel or the ROM itself would be released as sources so we can get proper open-sourced ROMs going?
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Android is open source...
So you ever saw cm without source?
Even samsung htc and such have to release the sources cause of GPL.
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This is just a wishful thinking. Do you have any official information about that or you are just guessing?
OnePlus One uses a derivative of CM, not an official build.
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This is just a wishful thinking. Do you have any official information about that or you are just guessing?
OnePlus One uses a derivative of CM, not an official build.
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I dont guess. If you know androids nature with Open GPL then you should know that. Try open general puplic licence = open gpl in google search engine then you will receive the detail what this exatly means.
The rom supplier has to release the source or atleast the git hub of its code. Otherewhise he violating the open geneal public licenses of android.
I think this helps you a bit more in understanding the android nature.
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I dont guess. If you know androids nature with Open GPL then you should know that. Try open general puplic licence = open gpl in google search engine then you will receive the detail what this exatly means.
The rom supplier has to release the source or atleast the git hub of its code. Otherewhise he violating the open geneal public licenses of android.
I think this helps you a bit more in understanding the android nature.
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I know its totally irrelevant but in your signature you write "Powerd by Google Jelly Bean 4.4.2 --->DOWNLOAD "
You probably mean kitkat :victory:
xenix96 said:
I dont guess. If you know androids nature with Open GPL then you should know that. Try open general puplic licence = open gpl in google search engine then you will receive the detail what this exatly means.
The rom supplier has to release the source or atleast the git hub of its code. Otherewhise he violating the open geneal public licenses of android.
I think this helps you a bit more in understanding the android nature.
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I know everything about Android's open source nature and its GPL licensing. I think that you are missing my point here.
Many small companies consider the GPL as voluntary rather than mandatory because there is no legal prosecutions for breaking the GPL license. The company might get frowned upon and some power users / developers would be upset, but generally the end user doesn't care, nor the company does because they won't have to go to the court for breaking the GPL.
This is what most Chinese companies do for their current phones. Samsung, Motorola, HTC also didn't provide full sources until the past 1-2 years. Only Sony and Google's Nexus line were the companies who provided full sources on time.
This being said, only the time will tell if OnePlus would comply the GPL license of its device or will follow the path to ignore the licenses.
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I know its totally irrelevant but in your signature you write "Powerd by Google Jelly Bean 4.4.2 --->DOWNLOAD "
You probably mean kitkat :victory:
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lol true i forgot to change that ^^ thanks man will do asap when fire up pc
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I know everything about Android's open source nature and its GPL licensing. I think that you are missing my point here.
Many small companies consider the GPL as voluntary rather than mandatory because there is no legal prosecutions for breaking the GPL license. The company might get frowned upon and some power users / developers would be upset, but generally the end user doesn't care, nor the company does because they won't have to go to the court for breaking the GPL.
This is what most Chinese companies do for their current phones. Samsung, Motorola, HTC also didn't provide full sources until the past 1-2 years. Only Sony and Google's Nexus line were the companies who provided full sources on time.
This being said, only the time will tell if OnePlus would comply the GPL license of its device or will follow the path to ignore the licenses.
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Okay i know now what you mean but the kernel they have all to release.
So if you got kernel you can compile from google source the vanilia rom for any device but only if got the knowelege to do that...i failed in this
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IMHO Its probable that rom will be open source but camera app , gallery, messaging app and some others could be closed source just as google does.
The rom and kernel HAVE to be open source. Apps don't. End of story. If they do not release the source, google can sue the holy living hell out of them and make them wish they never stepped up.
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The rom and kernel HAVE to be open source. Apps don't. End of story. If they do not release the source, google can sue the holy living hell out of them and make them wish they never stepped up.
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How many lawsuits for breaking the Android's GPL have you seen?
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The rom and kernel HAVE to be open source. Apps don't. End of story. If they do not release the source, google can sue the holy living hell out of them and make them wish they never stepped up.
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Wrong. Only the kernel and small parts of the firmware package have to be open source.
The majority of Android isn't GPL - it's Apache.
Entropy512 is right.
Guys, seriously, everything is explained even on Wikipedia:
The source code for Android is open source. Google publishes most of the code (including network and telephony stacks) under the non-copyleft Apache License version 2.0. which allows modification and redistribution.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Licensing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
Therefore, the original question by nitrobg is interesting indeed.
Oppo used to give free the sources for their devices, so that should be fine.
Asking this question is relevant because a lot of the chinese companies don't, however that is mostly because of the not so GPL compliant MediaTek.
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Android is open source...
So you ever saw cm without source?
Even samsung htc and such have to release the sources cause of GPL.
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Android is open source.
Touchwiz and sense are closed source for the same reasons why parts of the OnePlus firmware are closed source.
hi,
I would really appreciate if someone could help answer these two questions for me :
1. I have to revert back to marshmallow from nougat, to use xprivacy with better compatibility. But the security patch of custom roms are not latest, mostly '16.
Is it something to look out for, security wise?
2. Are open source apps actually secure as compared to closed source ones? Yes their code is open but I heard they are more vulnerable to attacks. Please enlighten me.
Thanks.
1. newer version of os is better prepared against attacks, but marshmallow is good enough for NOW. in the future marshmallow will become not good enough.
2. it depends how well the app/code is maintained. open source means revealing more attack vectors to an malicious attacker, however it also means broader chance for the good guys to review code and find security holes and patch them before bad guys uses the security holes. more developer involved = better security generally. same principle goes to closed source code; more developers paid by the company who is responsible for the code generally means better security. thus it is not a matter of source being open or closed; it is a matter of how many active people are involved in maintaining the code and how much effort is made in keeping the code secure.
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1. newer version of os is better prepared against attacks, but marshmallow is good enough for NOW. in the future marshmallow will become not good enough.
2. it depends how well the app/code is maintained. open source means revealing more attack vectors to an malicious attacker, however it also means broader chance for the good guys to review code and find security holes and patch them before bad guys uses the security holes. more developer involved = better security generally. same principle goes to closed source code; more developers paid by the company who is responsible for the code generally means better security. thus it is not a matter of source being open or closed; it is a matter of how many active people are involved in maintaining the code and how much effort is made in keeping the code secure.
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Thanks pal.
juniecho said:
1. newer version of os is better prepared against attacks, but marshmallow is good enough for NOW. in the future marshmallow will become not good enough.
2. it depends how well the app/code is maintained. open source means revealing more attack vectors to an malicious attacker, however it also means broader chance for the good guys to review code and find security holes and patch them before bad guys uses the security holes. more developer involved = better security generally. same principle goes to closed source code; more developers paid by the company who is responsible for the code generally means better security. thus it is not a matter of source being open or closed; it is a matter of how many active people are involved in maintaining the code and how much effort is made in keeping the code secure.
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Thanks pal.
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Just be careful of what u doing and always be update your latest security patch and android.
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JohnMichaelCost said:
Just be careful of what u doing and always be update your latest security patch and android.
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Thank you for your advice But thing is cm13 for my device has its last security patch from dec 2016. And lineage OS 14.1 has latest security patch, but lacks xposed stability, especially for xprivacy, the one I need the most( because I am on No Gapps). So, that's the confusion I have.
And I completely go along with your words of being careful with what I do with my device.
After moving into a NoGapps environment I mostly use open source apps except for 2 or 3 apps whose functionality are not found in any apps on FOSS. Yet those apps from play store themselves have google analytics and measurement services in them. For a privacy freak like me, it is intimidating, I guess.
To be honest open source apps are just as secure as closed Sourced apps. The reason being is very few people are looking at either for security exploits. As for the security updates that is a personal choice. I don't put much worth to them as they are exploits that have been around since the beginning and Google is just pushing patches so they appear to be worried about security. Kinda funny coming from a company that makes its money from collecting and using personal data
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To be honest open source apps are just as secure as closed Sourced apps. The reason being is very few people are looking at either for security exploits. As for the security updates that is a personal choice. I don't put much worth to them as they are exploits that have been around since the beginning and Google is just pushing patches so they appear to be worried about security. Kinda funny coming from a company that makes its money from collecting and using personal data
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Ooo.... Interesting. I didn't look at it in that perspective (regarding google and its patches). :laugh:
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Ooo.... Interesting. I didn't look at it in that perspective (regarding google and its patches). :laugh:
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Sounds familiar "android vs ios" sorry i mean open vs closed sources, the cloesd sources is very hard part for security longntime to hacked & hard finding the source "pay developer just like Apple"
Android other hand is open source is very cool unlike "cloesd sources" is updated everyday and developer are fighting against hackers to does not hacked the source
I will not to worried. Look my screen shot.
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Sounds familiar "android vs ios" sorry i mean open vs closed sources, the cloesd sources is very hard part for security longntime to hacked & hard finding the source "pay developer just like Apple"
Android other hand is open source is very cool unlike "cloesd sources" is updated everyday and developer are fighting against hackers to does not hacked the source
I will not to worried. Look my screen shot.
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Um not its not. Android isnt open source. Only AOSP is open source and that comes preloaded on 0 devices. Everything else is closed sourced. Even Google uses closed sourced files for their devices.
Also no one is looking at open source apps. Developers dont care about open source apps. As there is no money to be made from open source apps.
As for your screen shots. They mean nothing really as any hack would bypass it as it would happen when you are using the device. A perfect example is a built in screen recorder that then loads the videos up into a server when the device is asleep (Xiaomi is known for doing this)
Mobile security really is a myth. If someone wants your info (they really dont. They couldnt care less as your personal info is worth less then nothing) they can get it from social media sites easy enough.
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Um not its not. Android isnt open source. Only AOSP is open source and that comes preloaded on 0 devices. Everything else is closed sourced. Even Google uses closed sourced files for their devices.
Also no one is looking at open source apps. Developers dont care about open source apps. As there is no money to be made from open source apps.
As for your screen shots. They mean nothing really as any hack would bypass it as it would happen when you are using the device. A perfect example is a built in screen recorder that then loads the videos up into a server when the device is asleep (Xiaomi is known for doing this)
Mobile security really is a myth. If someone wants your info (they really dont. They couldnt care less as your personal info is worth less then nothing) they can get it from social media sites easy enough.
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you're right. Android security So really is nothing special in fact.
May i ask you about Xiaomi why they are doing this ? And google vs AOSP ?
JohnMichaelCost said:
you're right. Android security So really is nothing special in fact.
May i ask you about Xiaomi why they are doing this ? And google vs AOSP ?
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They are required to by the Chinese government. I take it you don't know much about how they do things. Here is a fast run down. China requires all data from its citizens to be monitored and recorded. This is part of the reason for China's great firewall. When people buy devices made for China this is something that happens.
As for Google vs aosp. Think about it this way. Why would you buy a pixel device is you can get all the same features from aosp? No money to be made there so not good business. Yes Google pushes a lot to aosp. But it is getting less and less. Heck even the base aosp apps have not gotten any real updates in years. Google wants you to use their closed Sourced apps. Allo, duo, Gmail, contacts, phone etc. If it wasn't for 3rd party developers like the ones here aosp apps would still be bare bones.
I second your view zelendel. Although, I have to ask, not that I don't understand your valuable thoughts you posted before, but..
Now that more and more vulnerabilities are brought to light these days like the blueborne or KRACK, and google or devs here, for that matter, pushes security patches to fend against these vulnerabilities. Would you say extending privacy capabilities using root and xposed tools and some common sense while using apps , should suffice against threats of these sorts?
Edit : nvm. Got hold of the desired ROM with latest patch. Thanks for your input guys.
shadowbone said:
I second your view zelendel. Although, I have to ask, not that I don't understand your valuable thoughts you posted before, but..
Now that more and more vulnerabilities are brought to light these days like the blueborne or KRACK, and google or devs here, for that matter, pushes security patches to fend against these vulnerabilities. Would you say extending privacy capabilities using root and xposed tools and some common sense while using apps , should suffice against threats of these sorts?
Edit : nvm. Got hold of the desired ROM with latest patch. Thanks for your input guys.
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Just not to be worried about hacking our phone. Developer of app/google/aosp/etc. here to save us from hackers in fact maybe.....
But as for root,CFW,etc they doesn't hooked even you have gapp.
But hacking WiFi WAP so... i don't worries, just i said earlier "be careful what you doing" remember that.
If you need very privacy like "donald trump" [emoji13] so vpn your phone install x private and cover with your camera, encryption your phone and always be updated your apps/security patch and android of course.
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shadowbone said:
I second your view zelendel. Although, I have to ask, not that I don't understand your valuable thoughts you posted before, but..
Now that more and more vulnerabilities are brought to light these days like the blueborne or KRACK, and google or devs here, for that matter, pushes security patches to fend against these vulnerabilities. Would you say extending privacy capabilities using root and xposed tools and some common sense while using apps , should suffice against threats of these sorts?
Edit : nvm. Got hold of the desired ROM with latest patch. Thanks for your input guys.
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To be honest if I was really worried about security then root would be out of the question as it opens up doors that can be exploited. An example is a root binary that was found to work so it auto granted root to every app and removed the logs of it doing so.
The KRACK vulnerability is a whole other thing as patching a device is pointless if the router you are connecting to is not patched.
Just use common sense really. As long as Android pushes a lot of code open source there will always be issues like this that pop up. (its soo much easier to find exploits when you have access to all the code. And before you say it, no not as many people are looking for security threats as people think)
Thanks you guys for your valuable advice's. I'll make sure to keep a watch out. :good:
(might be this is off topic but i need your help guys)
Hi guys i need your help with my Old nexus 5 (stock never did ctf or rooted) and mtk phone as a same problem.
In google camera when I video mode it crash even open it please help me.
Nexus 5 and mtk phone are running both android 6.0 stock.
Any idea what happened ?
JohnMichaelCost said:
(might be this is off topic but i need your help guys)
Hi guys i need your help with my Old nexus 5 (stock never did ctf or rooted) and mtk phone as a same problem.
In google camera when I video mode it crash even open it please help me.
Nexus 5 and mtk phone are running both android 6.0 stock.
Any idea what happened ?
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Have a take a look.
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Have a take a look.
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I'm not sure. Are you using official/stock build or some ported apk?
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I'm not sure. Are you using official/inbuilt build or some ported apk?
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Ok.. but thanks anyway is working again.....
i am officially build.
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JohnMichaelCost said:
Ok.. but thanks anyway is working again.....
i am officially build.
Sent from my Pixel XL using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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You are Gonna have to run a logcat to find out. Chances are if you are not rooted or been messing around then it will be hard are.