Related
So im looking to upgrade my phone soon. I currently use a Sidekick ID (Yes yes I know). Been a long time reader of the XDA forums so im looking for some expert advice from well, you guys(the experts). From my understanding the Tilt and Wing are pretty much the exact same phone with different carriers with the exception that the 8925(tilt) has double the ram speed and a faster cpu than the Herald(wing) as well as gps. Anyway the OBVIOUS choice is (Or at least I thought it was) the 8925(tilt). I proceeded to do some more research on the phone and soon discovered the Video Driver\No Hardware accelaration problem on those phones which was a huge turn off for me once I found out about it. As far as the Herald(wing) goes, it is obviously alot slower than the 8925(tilt) due to the slow cpu ,and freeing up memory is something that seems to be more of a tedious task that you have to do every so often. A friend of mine owns a Herald(wing) and he uses the OpenTouch Rom by Ttrans1 which is awesome and is definitely better/speedier than the stock rom. Anyway it seems to me that no matter which phone I get, I am taking a loss in some form or another. So I am here to ask you guys, would I be better off with a slow phone WITH proper video hardware acceleration (Herald/Wing) or a much faster Phone WITHOUT proper video hardware acceleration (Tilt/8925). Any advice,comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
32 views and not one response?
Anyone??????? No need to be shy...
ReDxKinG said:
Anyone??????? No need to be shy...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Both are more or less the same
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/htc-herald-reviewed-verdict-thin-and-awesome-211475.php
http://tecmoviles.com/htc-8925-sencillamente-espectacular/
But black looks better
.. wait .. why? Wait a month or two and use the upgrade on a newer phone (HTC Rapheal). Or, just upgrade to the HTC Dream if you don't mind an O.S. switch as it has the larger screen.
Trust me, you're going to be disappointed if you do the Tilt/etc and see the new ones out in a month or two at incredible prices (to compete with the iPhone's popularity and price-range).
Not sure if T-Mobile is getting the Rapheal, but AT&T should be getting it at the end of October from what I've been told. Obviously, T-Mobile's HTC Dream (G1) is releasing on the 14th of October I think (for $179 w/2yr).
Or even better, wait a little longer and you can get the HD!!!
That´s a real piece of work!
you can get teh G1 thats coming out next month. I currently have a wing and im really happy with it, but im selling it and getting the g1.
orb3000 said:
Or even better, wait a little longer and you can get the HD!!!
That´s a real piece of work!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I second that!! The HD will be the ultimate device!
First off,Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it. The general responses seem to be to wait for a newer/better device which makes sense and is the smarter choice Howeverm, the problem (which I failed to mention in my original posting) is that I need to decide within the next week because my job requires me to have a phone with exchange server email(Which I think the sidekick doesnt have and even if it does, the sidekick is not a very "professional" phone and I dont want to use it for work). After reading about the HD though I am DEFINITELY going to upgrade to it when it comes out, but for right now I need to decide between the wing or tilt as I can get either one for 150$. So anyone have any advice as far as those 2 phones go? I understand that they are more or less the same but they both have 2 different problems So I need advice as to which one would be the better choice FOR NOW given the problems they both suffer. Thanks
I figured I'd just throw this out there, I almost went for the AT&T Tilt but decided to forgo that and got the ETEN Glofiish M800. The Tilt and the M800 are pretty much direct competitors. The M800 has a VGA res screen so I got that . As far as I know, the specs were very similar.
There are some reported bugs with the M800, I've fixed all the issues I've had so far and all seems well.
Legodude522 said:
I figured I'd just throw this out there, I almost went for the AT&T Tilt but decided to forgo that and got the ETEN Glofiish M800. The Tilt and the M800 are pretty much direct competitors. The M800 has a VGA res screen so I got that . As far as I know, the specs were very similar.
There are some reported bugs with the M800, I've fixed all the issues I've had so far and all seems well.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ive read up on the glofiish and while its a pretty cool phone it is outside of my price range. But thanks for the suggestion as I had never even heard of that phone before prior to you mentioning it lol. Unfortunately, My choice is only between the Wing and The Tilt
Hi All,
New guy here, and I was thinking about putting Android 1.5 on the Sprint TP2, rather than WM 6.5. (Again, new here, so I'm assuming that, once this HSPL is released for the CMDA, it could work equally well for WM or Android.)
I'm wondering if anyone has tried Android on the TP2 at all and, if so, your thoughts and opinions on this unusual pursuit?
Thanks in advance!
Sorry: CDMA
Not CMDA. I'm a little out of league here.
Sprint is CDMA and it is possible for that to happen. However, you would need an experienced cooker and most guys here are windows mobile guys.
Android is just now starting to fully work on the vogue and has been in the works for quiet some time. The original Touch Pro is still unable to run it. IF the TP2 will see androind, it will be a long time before that happens. Why not wait for the Hero if you really want it?
To be honest, it's because I adore the full qwerty keyboard. I have a really difficult time on touch-screen keys. Additionally, engadget's review of Hero rated its hardware to be a little underpowered for Android. I'm simply sold on the Rhodium.
Your right on it being underpowered. The problem is, porting it to WinMo is hard since they have 2 completely different kernals.
shawnwaugh said:
To be honest, it's because I adore the full qwerty keyboard. I have a really difficult time on touch-screen keys. Additionally, engadget's review of Hero rated its hardware to be a little underpowered for Android. I'm simply sold on the Rhodium.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same reason I want the TP2. Never had WinMo device but that keyboard is the best I've seen on any Smartphone. I'd recommend putting a Sense UI theme on it, that's what I plan to do. Or PointSense Suite.
shawnwaugh said:
To be honest, it's because I adore the full qwerty keyboard. I have a really difficult time on touch-screen keys. Additionally, engadget's review of Hero rated its hardware to be a little underpowered for Android. I'm simply sold on the Rhodium.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A new firmware version has reportedly solve most of the issues with sluggishness. More than likely, the sprint version will have this at launch. It should be nice and snapy. The only things keeping me from waiting for this over getting the TP2 are the lack of a keyboard, the screen size/resolution, and the fact that it might not support SERO. It's okay though because I haven't bought it yet and I'll still be in my 30 day time window if I want to return the TP2 and get a Hero.
I'm really wanting Android, but it just hasn't gotten to the specs I want yet. However, I have to say that the Sense UI on it is about the most amazing thing I've ever seen on a phone. I know they say it's coming to WiMo, but I'm just not confident it will be that fast or as good as the android version.
A lot of phones really dont get optimized right away. Its kinda sad cause it brings the value down. Like the Hero is a great phone, but I geuss you need a ROM update for it to be optimized better.
The TP2 is actually extremely optimized right out the box since it has the same specs as the original, but it is a lot faster.
Poke_N_PDA said:
the fact that it might not support SERO
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've been told by several Sprint reps that Everything Plus (the new SERO and the name I was told my SERO plan already has) can be used on the TP2 and that the price will remain the same for me since I'm grandfathered at that price. We'll see what happens when I get it tomorrow and try to activate it with my current plan.
I have android running on my vogue, with is probably the most advanced port currently. We still do not have functional bluetooth, GPS does not have all functionality, and a small number of us (seems to be the cdma folks) have problems with intermittently not having SMS and phone calls show up. It is a great port, but still not ready for heavy everyday use if your phone has to be 100% reliable; many people do use it as there primary OS.
Just trying to say that even on the vogue we are not "there" yet, it is likely very possible on the TP2, but will take modification of the kernel and other files to adapt to your hardware, and won't be perfect.
How about the latest 1.6 donut on TP2? 1.6 supports the display resolution!
Link:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/android-16-sdk-is-here.html
Sjuust said:
How about the latest 1.6 donut on TP2? 1.6 supports the display resolution!
Link:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/android-16-sdk-is-here.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it's a lot more than just resolution. dip into the multiple vogue android threads if you are compelled.
Man, I bet getting the memory map would help out the port a lot. Wish HTC would release that.
techSage said:
I've been told by several Sprint reps that Everything Plus (the new SERO and the name I was told my SERO plan already has) can be used on the TP2 and that the price will remain the same for me since I'm grandfathered at that price. We'll see what happens when I get it tomorrow and try to activate it with my current plan.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you talking about the $30 500 minute plan or the newer ESRP that is like $10 bucks cheaper than the normal plans? Either way, I know that the TP2 will work on it.
Donut!!
Supports CDMA and the higher resolutions... Please Devs work on this! I will pay money to have it! This will be the perfect combo of phone and OS. I hope this happens.
The biggest issue here is the bootloader. No one, that I am aware of, has modified a bootloader to allow the direct booting of Linux. Also, writing to the flash memory if I remember correctly was the other issue, but please do correct me if I am wrong on this aspect.
Poke_N_PDA said:
A new firmware version has reportedly solve most of the issues with sluggishness. More than likely, the sprint version will have this at launch. It should be nice and snapy. The only things keeping me from waiting for this over getting the TP2 are the lack of a keyboard, the screen size/resolution, and the fact that it might not support SERO. It's okay though because I haven't bought it yet and I'll still be in my 30 day time window if I want to return the TP2 and get a Hero.
I'm really wanting Android, but it just hasn't gotten to the specs I want yet. However, I have to say that the Sense UI on it is about the most amazing thing I've ever seen on a phone. I know they say it's coming to WiMo, but I'm just not confident it will be that fast or as good as the android version.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree COMPLETELY. Having spent some time with an iPhone, I have to say that onscreen keyboards, even in landscape mode, still suck.
Another thing I'd worry about with the Hero... not being able to install programs to a microSD card. I know that is an Android issue, not a Hero issue... if they could fix that, I might be able to get over the low resolution and lack of keyboard.
Where are they talking about putting Sense UI on Winmo 6.5?
tduck said:
I agree COMPLETELY. Having spent some time with an iPhone, I have to say that onscreen keyboards, even in landscape mode, still suck.
Another thing I'd worry about with the Hero... not being able to install programs to a microSD card. I know that is an Android issue, not a Hero issue... if they could fix that, I might be able to get over the low resolution and lack of keyboard.
Where are they talking about putting Sense UI on Winmo 6.5?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
HTC said that Sense is on its way to WinMo via TF3d. Nothing new really. If you see the TF3d 2.5/2.6 setups, they resemble it a lot. Obviously, there are things that can't be the same (the way widgets and icons on the "desktop" appear, etc) due to OS limitations, but the core technology is being put into WinMo.
Installing programs to SD card is coming in 1.6. So no worries there.
I totally wish the Touch Pro 2 could run Android. My girlfriend has the HTC g1 and I love the application market. It's really awesome.
The keyboard is the major awesome feature about this phone. I used to have an Instink which is now EXTINCT and I could not deal with the crappy on-screen keyboard. I actually broke it once because I hated it so much. I plan on shooting this one Record it in full glory and post it on youtube for other poor Instinct users.
I would pay for an Android conversion. Totally.
So, looking at switching to AT&T, but may not go for an iPhone. They offer the HTC Pure or HTC Tilt 2, so wonder which one is more feature packed, user friendly, upgradable, etc, for the cost. I can get the Pure for 50, or the Tilt for 150. I know, duh, go for the cheapest. But I believe in the "you get what you pay for" theory.
This forum has been a HUGE help in just dealing with my iPaq (I know, but the programs here work great on it!), so figure you guys are the experts. Any and all opinions are wanted!
Honestly there is not much difference between the two phones. biggest ones would be the tilt2 has a hardware keyboard and is bigger. and the pure has a 5mp camera they both have same processor memory etc. So really your decision should be based on whether you want a hardware key board or not, personaly, I have to have my HW keyboard
both devices are well supported here with many custom ROMs so upgrading will be no problem
Good Luck
Thanks Splinter. Now regarding ROM upgrading, I tried that with my iPaq (thanks again for trying Spaatie!), and wasn't able to. My concern is that if I go with AT&T, ROM upgrade wouldn't affect the phone portion, correct? And would I be able to get ROM's that simulate UI's like the HD2's, or would I just see if Androkkid would work on the phone instead of risking ROM upgrades?
Keep the opinions coming folks!
JerryA said:
So, looking at switching to AT&T, but may not go for an iPhone. They offer the HTC Pure or HTC Tilt 2, so wonder which one is more feature packed, user friendly, upgradable, etc, for the cost. I can get the Pure for 50, or the Tilt for 150. I know, duh, go for the cheapest. But I believe in the "you get what you pay for" theory.
This forum has been a HUGE help in just dealing with my iPaq (I know, but the programs here work great on it!), so figure you guys are the experts. Any and all opinions are wanted!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That will depend if a hardware keyboard device is a must for you, if so go for Rhodium!
It´s a great device
If you don´t care about keyboard you can go for Topaz...
Both are great HTC devices
yea, I would love to fork out the bucks for the HD2, BUT I need a phone that works with AT&T (plus 700 bucks is way out of my price range...actually....my wife's price range )
So just looking at Pure or Tilt2. Sounds as if its strickly a keyboard issue?
Yes, they have almost identical specs:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1750&id2=1751
Thanks Orb3000! That link was pretty much what I couldn't find! So, it looks like IF we go to the dark side, I will be getting that phone. I like the Tilt2 comes with a bit more accessible memory (though not ROM, wonder why), stereo speakers and an FM radio?! Thats just cool.
Thanks again, I knew you guys were the best at this stuff!
Now, 5 months from now, I may be back on wondering what ROM upgrades to do next to it!
i suggest looking into the device specific forums to have an idea of the options you have. rom upgrading is extremly easy now and many chefs have great roms.
just make sure you have the hard spl for the device. im kinda in the same possition as you are, my upgrade is available in april so i'll be getting a tilt2 to replace my fuze, and will be flashing it with energyrom as soon as i get home lol.
The Touch Pro 2 is a much better phone slightly bigger screen and a button qwerty keyboard, unless you dont care about the keyboard in which case the Pure might be better because it's slightly thinner.
My wife and I both have the Fuze with Energy ROMs. Our contract is going to be up soon and my wife is pushing for an upgrade of her phone which makes me consider it too. However I love the Fuze and am not sure if it's worth upgrading to any other model. The TP2 is nice, but to me it just seems to be more of the same with a bigger screen. Any recommendations on what to upgrade to?
Thx
Personally, I'm done with windoze mobile. I'm holding onto my fuze until several android phones hit AT&T.
I am also confused regarding the upgrade of TP. TP2 doesnt look like an upgrade to me. It only has bigger screen. Otherwise the processor and RAM and ROM are the same and it also lacks the flash. i even checked Touch HD and Touch Diamond and they also have to same specs.
I am not so technical but I have an idea in mind and would like a suggestion from the gurus here.... I think Acer's touch Neo is a nice consideration but only and only if LEO's sense can be run on it.
Plz help us to chose guys. Thanks
If you are looking to stay with Winmo, the HD2 or Omnia2 are pretty big upgrades. Don't know if you want a hardware keyboard though.
Thanks JesusFreak316 ... but HD2 is tooooo big.
Is it possible to run HTC's sense latest versions on Omnia2 or Acer Neotouch?
i want upgrade too, i was thinking about topaz. topaz vs rhodium .... 300 vs 400 Euro
Leo is very expensive for me, more then 500Euro.
Hi guys.
i know some people will say this has been asked before, but i am posting from the date from today.
I want to buy a HD2, but i don't know whether it is the right time...
Because now it has the success of WP7 and Android, I'm wondering if ti is still worth it. The hardware seems abit old now, but it is essentially the same as a HD7.
ATM, i have a TG01, (snapdragon 1GHz WINMO, resistive) So i'm experienced with the speed But however, in our forum, there are soo few active members and cooks - not much support. the resistive touchscreen and Also the lack of RAM is driving me insane. (only 55mb on boot with sense 2.5 + winmo 6.5.x) So one reason of the HD2 is the RAM and the screen... On the other hand i have a tab. It isnt just mine specifically it is my family's. So i dont get to use it all the time and personalize it. (the orange san francisco isnt mine anymore btw, i gave it to my brother)
So i only really have a TG01. I have been using Winmo for a long time, but now everyone is making the switch to Android. So if i get the HD2, will i have good battery life performance etc. I will probs be using WP7 and Android. Is WP7 working perfectly yet? i know we can access the live sevices but will microsoft be continually be patching it? All my friends are using android.. should i use android on the HD2 or just get an android device?
And the hardware... do you think it is still powerful enough? how much longer will the community last for? When i got my Tg01, within 3 months the XDA forum was empty! they all sold and got an Android device or HD2.
So i get it know will the timing be right? Will devs still be cooking for WM and upgrading Android etc? Or will they move on? Because i see alot of members selling their HD2 for a DHD or other android devices. I dont think i can afford a DHD...
I'm really stuck here... I don't know if i should get the device or not... Should i wait? Or wait for what device? I know when the dual cores come out, they will be far too expensive!
Where can i get a cheap HD2 from? Can any one point me to one £150-£180?
Thank you to all who reply!