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Which Phone should i get?

Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.

HTC in my experience is awefull build quality. After owning four diferent models I have vowed never to own one again. Shame really, apart from the poor camera selection they are designed really well ..... just a shame they fall to bits.
Out of your list, would have to be TG01.
Have you looked at the new Omnia II's? (not the Omnia HD) Theres a full on Iphone/HD lookie-likely and two keyboard models, one a TP2 type and one a blackberry type.
Don't forget the Acer M900 (which is what I currently use) and the more pocket friendly F900.

Touch Pro 2 definetly
Because keyboard is a must for me!
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wizern23 said:
Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
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I had windows mobile and even though preference is a matter of perspective.... windows might be a step in the wrong direction. Back when I had it windows was ahead of its time... but now it seems like its standing still ... like its been stagnant for the last 3 yrs I haven't seen any major differences...from android to winmo is going Back to resistive touch screens... with not so finger friendly gestures because the screens tend to not pick up on the motion... I would really love to see MS step it up and release a new os or 7.0 which I hope makes a major difference. Dont get me wrong for business i would only use winmo or BB... but at this point Android just seems like a wiser choice... its not an ancient OS that will probably bore you quickly. All the phones sound great ... if you want break down and comparisons then go to infosyncworld.com ... they rate the phones for you.

As somebody who's an advocate of Windows Mobile, my honest opinion is that now isn't a good time to buy a WinMo phone at all, especially not for the first time. The only people I would recommend the current batch of WM phones to are people who already use WM, don't want to learn a different system, and REALLY need a new device.
Here's why: Windows Mobile 6 has a real learning curve, and coming from Android you're probably going to find yourself frustrated at a lot of the inconsistencies and complications. Further, WM7 is already on the horizon and I think we'll be getting our first real peeks at it before the year is out. It should be a massive, fundamental overhaul to the way WM works. There's a lot of unanswered questions right now, ESPECIALLY whether WM7 apps will work on WM6 devices and whether it will be possible to upgrade any current WM6 or 6.5 devices to 7. If not, it's possible that application support for WM6 devices might grind to a halt within a year.
If I were in your boots, I'd try to hold on to that G1 as long as you can. By October or November, I think we'll have a better view of the future of WM and it'll be easier to see whether WM will serve your needs going forward.
Now, all this is completely moot if you're rolling in enough dough to just buy a new phone whenever you feel like it. If so, feel free to buy whatever you like.

Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. I really dont care about having to learn how to use windows mobile. Im more interested in the devices themself. My main concern is switching to a device with out a keyboard.

wizern23 said:
Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. \\
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Well, that's the problem: we just don't know yet. A lot of people here seem to take it for granted that WM7 will be as "open" as WM6 in terms of porting and the like, but comments from MS make me a lot less confident -- it sounds like WM7 might have much more specific hardware requirements that will keep it from being run on older models. It's POSSIBLE WM7 will be able to be put on, say, a Touch Pro 2, but it's not a foregone conclusion.
All signs point to WM7 being a major upgrade (keep in mind that WM7 has been in development since 6.1 dropped if not longer), and I think it's going to be really disappointing to be stuck with 6.5 once 7 hits.
But if you're looking to roll the dice, the Touch Pro 2 looks like a great phone UNLESS you want to use it as a media player. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a serious weakness there.

yea the 3.5mm jack is a necessity b/c i planned on getting the Motorola S9s or something along that line to use because all of those except the hero are huge or heavy

I personally don’t believe that WM7 will be ready early 2010. It might take until 2011 that we see any WM7device.
TP2 seams currently best HTC choice if you need keyboard. However frankly speaking after having 2 HTC devices (Hermes and Kaiser) with slide keyboards I am not very confident about the durability (quality) of HTC hardware. Both of the devices had after short time issues with the rails and tilt mechanism.
Just recently I went to a shop to have look on the TP2 and the keyboard rails and the tilt seams same crap as previous devices. You can also read many complain in the TP2 section about screen wobbling. Touch HD has a very nice large screen (love large screens) but it is 1 year old technology and performance wise it did not satisfied many people. Furthermore as you are from USA you would need Australian version to able to use in American 3G. But the Device cost still after 1 year some 800-900$
My personal favoured are currently the Samsung Omnia II/i800 and Samsung Omnia II pro (b7610) Specs on the paper and the current reviews are indicating that those are under best devices on the market. Furthermore Samsung has almost entirely covered with additional software the aged WinMo operation platform. Further positive point is the Price. Both Samsung devices are about 100-200 USD cheaper then HTC devices even though they have better CPU; Camera etc.

I agree with Bulldog -- the Omnia II devices look really excellent. I like the design of the TP2 better, but I trust Samsung's build quality more and, feature-wise, it's fantastic.

Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
That for me is an added value to consider before buying

orb3000 said:
Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
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Yes you do. This site offers Winmob o/s and Winmob App support to all. If you want cooked roms, look no further than omnia.modaco.com where there are plenty! My Omnia (original one) is currently running a great cooked rom of WM 6.5
Lets also not forget the AMOLED screen either on the new Omnias. I really regret buying my Acer M900, not because its crap - its not - but the new Samsungs look simply stunning. And if you factor in the success of the Omnia, widely regarded as the best Winmob all-rounder, the new Omnias should be spanking!

SHould i go for TouchPro2 ?

Hi i recenlty Sold my Iphone 3G to try a WM phone , and got the Touch HD ( since i'm a big fan of big screen s )
but after trying different Roms , i realized that the device is rather Slow ...
wanted to know if the TouchPro2 Performed faster and if anyone suggests that i should change to the Pro2 ? ( but i read in the spec of both of the Phone that their CPU and RAM are the same )
Thx in advance

yeah they are spec'd the same i believe. I found that after I ran the right ROM on my HD it felt like a completely different phone. If anything hold out for the Leo...its packing snapdragon(1GHz) and a bunch of HTC goodness.

So both TouchPro2 and Touch HD perform @ the same speed ?

528MHz
they both are running at about the same speed just optimized differently...you can find a bunch of Topaz and Rhodium styled ROM's out there

TP is a great device!

if you can change to the tp2 without it costing much i would do that because of the keyboard (I have touch hd), you will go down a bit on screen size whichw ill be a shame and I dont think tp2 has a 3.5 mm jack out which is just stupid but anyway yeah I would try the tp2 for the keyboard.
for speed I would first try out the topaz rom I havent found another rom that seems so speedy 100s of times better than stock. Having a speedy rom really makes you appreciate your phone a lot more.

u mean i can flash any topaz rom to the Blackstone and i'll have a more speedy phone ?

sorry i didnt mean topaz i ment topix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460640
its wm6.1 but its just great

IMHO, i dont think the tp 2 will perform any better than the HD. Of course the keyboard maybe useful, but the HD is thinner and sexier
If you can hold out for the Leo (i want one now!!!) but who knows when it will be released........
As for HD roms, obviously the newer roms (6.5 either 2.1 or 2.5) are beta, due to not being released by MS yet, hence some may have issues/bugs. But dont dispear, they are getting quicker and more stable. Try any newer ones from Dutty, NRGZ or Miri or if you want the very latest try the new build from PDAVIET.
They are all better than the current stock rom, I personally love the 2.5 has a couple of bugs, but we are getting there.

The TP2 is cool, but if U can wait then the Leo will be much cooler

galaxys said:
The TP2 is cool, but if U can wait then the Leo will be much cooler
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although the leo dosent have a kepboard which is why i wont be getting it, I love my touch hd but ive had enough with a purely touch screen phone. I'm waiting on an android phone that has good processor capacitive screen (large high res) and keyboard or i might just get the nokia n900
maybe they will release a leo pro with a keyboard then I might consider it.

good luck, from what ive seen Android isnt taking off like everyone though it would. None of the carriers seem to keen on supporting it. Tho i did see a topic on PPC where they are dual booting WM phones and running Android on them
The Leo does look pretty sweet, but i agree, it needs a keyboard. It will have a capacitive touchscreen, and 3.5mm jack tho (along with the snapdragon processor) Just add a keyboard and we have ourselves a dam near perfect device. So long as its configured/optimized properly.
It kinda makes me sad, that they announced this after i got my TP2, but its bound to happen. As soon as they release the Leo (whenever that will be) couple months after, a new, better device will be announced. Thats the tech world for ya.
As for the Touch Pro 2, yea ive noticed it does lag sometimes. Tho i haven't installed any custom roms either, which may likely help it (to date, i don't know of any roms specifically for it). Im also a bit worried about bricking this thing while trying.

Lyian said:
good luck, from what ive seen Android isnt taking off like everyone though it would. None of the carriers seem to keen on supporting it. Tho i did see a topic on PPC where they are dual booting WM phones and running Android on them
The Leo does look pretty sweet, but i agree, it needs a keyboard. It will have a capacitive touchscreen, and 3.5mm jack tho (along with the snapdragon processor) Just add a keyboard and we have ourselves a dam near perfect device. So long as its configured/optimized properly.
It kinda makes me sad, that they announced this after i got my TP2, but its bound to happen. As soon as they release the Leo (whenever that will be) couple months after, a new, better device will be announced. Thats the tech world for ya.
As for the Touch Pro 2, yea ive noticed it does lag sometimes. Tho i haven't installed any custom roms either, which may likely help it (to date, i don't know of any roms specifically for it). Im also a bit worried about bricking this thing while trying.
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it's way too early to say they haven't taken off. The problem so far is that a good android device hasn't been released yet. The experia x3 looks nice similar specs to leo but a much better camera, still no keyboard though .

I have a Touch Pro. It's great.
If I was buying now, i'd buy a TP2.

Capacitive screen = DO NOT WANT (give me a stylus or give me death!)

If you're not into trying custom roms I found that even some of the tweaks or Registry Hacks would speed up the phone a bit. Personally I didn't like the Touch Flow and turned it all off in favor of just the plain WinMo look (modded a bit of course). Additionally I turned off the HTC Dialer Skin and used the WinMo dialer that was running on avg about 8m less in memory and was just as functional (minus the reject call w/ txt functionality).
Out of the box my phone had program memory usage up in 38-43% range. Now it's typically 21-28% and running much faster in my opinion.

Thanks everyone for ur time and answer.

Pure v Tilt2

So, looking at switching to AT&T, but may not go for an iPhone. They offer the HTC Pure or HTC Tilt 2, so wonder which one is more feature packed, user friendly, upgradable, etc, for the cost. I can get the Pure for 50, or the Tilt for 150. I know, duh, go for the cheapest. But I believe in the "you get what you pay for" theory.
This forum has been a HUGE help in just dealing with my iPaq (I know, but the programs here work great on it!), so figure you guys are the experts. Any and all opinions are wanted!

Honestly there is not much difference between the two phones. biggest ones would be the tilt2 has a hardware keyboard and is bigger. and the pure has a 5mp camera they both have same processor memory etc. So really your decision should be based on whether you want a hardware key board or not, personaly, I have to have my HW keyboard
both devices are well supported here with many custom ROMs so upgrading will be no problem
Good Luck

Thanks Splinter. Now regarding ROM upgrading, I tried that with my iPaq (thanks again for trying Spaatie!), and wasn't able to. My concern is that if I go with AT&T, ROM upgrade wouldn't affect the phone portion, correct? And would I be able to get ROM's that simulate UI's like the HD2's, or would I just see if Androkkid would work on the phone instead of risking ROM upgrades?
Keep the opinions coming folks!

JerryA said:
So, looking at switching to AT&T, but may not go for an iPhone. They offer the HTC Pure or HTC Tilt 2, so wonder which one is more feature packed, user friendly, upgradable, etc, for the cost. I can get the Pure for 50, or the Tilt for 150. I know, duh, go for the cheapest. But I believe in the "you get what you pay for" theory.
This forum has been a HUGE help in just dealing with my iPaq (I know, but the programs here work great on it!), so figure you guys are the experts. Any and all opinions are wanted!
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That will depend if a hardware keyboard device is a must for you, if so go for Rhodium!
It´s a great device
If you don´t care about keyboard you can go for Topaz...
Both are great HTC devices

yea, I would love to fork out the bucks for the HD2, BUT I need a phone that works with AT&T (plus 700 bucks is way out of my price range...actually....my wife's price range )
So just looking at Pure or Tilt2. Sounds as if its strickly a keyboard issue?

Yes, they have almost identical specs:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1750&id2=1751

Thanks Orb3000! That link was pretty much what I couldn't find! So, it looks like IF we go to the dark side, I will be getting that phone. I like the Tilt2 comes with a bit more accessible memory (though not ROM, wonder why), stereo speakers and an FM radio?! Thats just cool.
Thanks again, I knew you guys were the best at this stuff!
Now, 5 months from now, I may be back on wondering what ROM upgrades to do next to it!

i suggest looking into the device specific forums to have an idea of the options you have. rom upgrading is extremly easy now and many chefs have great roms.
just make sure you have the hard spl for the device. im kinda in the same possition as you are, my upgrade is available in april so i'll be getting a tilt2 to replace my fuze, and will be flashing it with energyrom as soon as i get home lol.

The Touch Pro 2 is a much better phone slightly bigger screen and a button qwerty keyboard, unless you dont care about the keyboard in which case the Pure might be better because it's slightly thinner.

HTC Tilt 2 or Telstra HTC HD2? upgrading from HTC FUZE

hey everyone, well im on the stretch for hopefully getting a new phone, question is, which device will be very worth upgrading from my FUZE?
Telstra HTC HD2(with AT&T 3G bands) or HTC Tilt 2
would be best if actual owners can help me out but everyone can give their input as well
[main question]what device has a better battery life??
will the HD2 be able to handle at least 5 hours of music playback since it will substitute for my ipod? or will the tilt 2 have a better advantage?
and how well is it to type on the HD2s screen compare to Tilt 2's hardware keyboard?
finally if possible please tell me what advantages & disadvantages do both of these devices have
money is NOT a factor here and im still keeping up with WinMo btw
looking forward to reading everyones answers thanks

XERO_Racer said:
and how well is it to type on the HD2s screen compare to Tilt 2's hardware keyboard?
im still keeping up with WinMo btw
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Coming form Raphael, the natural upgrade will be Rhodium, a great device!
Leo have bigger screen and faster processor.
Rhodium have a real keyboard and multiconference (more buissness device)
On my opinion, typing on a real hardware keyboard will never beaten by any super multi capacity, ultra resisitive, super dooper on screen virtual keyboard (at least in a while)
Same here, staying with WM also, it´s a hate-love relation

[Q] What to upgrade phone to?

I have a TMo Wing/Herald right now (which I still plan on using and cooking for) but I want something that has a lot of ROM and RAM initially. Then I will most def. cook for it and what not, lol.
I know I don't want an HD7 or Windows Phone 7 right now until it can be widely cooked for.
So in your guys opinion, what phone should I get?

hTC Leo!
Capable of booting WM/Android and in the near future WP7
Same or even better specs than newer devices

Thanks for answering. I really liked what you told me; you're right- the specs are just about the same and better than some of the newer devices.
Thanks again,
Trib.