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Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
award982 said:
Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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nope i do not, i want to get non-branded
bump...anyone?
I had a kaiser for 4 years, then moved to the EVO on launch day. Couldn't be happier, phone is snappy as all hell, and haven't run into missing driver issues at all - the only thing HTC dropped the ball on with the EVO is capping the frame rate at 30 fps (which causes that stuttering), but if you're rooted, you can load a custom kernel that breaks the cap. Although I'm very familiar with the drivers that were missing from the kaiser, I haven't heard about any missing drivers on the EVO - care to provide a link?
Any of the galaxy s line of phones are good too - if you're coming from a kaiser, you may like the epic for the slide-out keyboard, bit they're all pretty much the same. These also have the top of the line performance for the 3d graphics that you mentioned. The 3d graphics on the EVO are pretty good (you only run into issues with some of the more demanding 3d games), but this is really where the galaxy s phones shine.
Unless you're really tied to wm6.5, I would stay away from it - it will be completely obsolete in just a few months when version 7 comes out. Unlike previous versions of wm, 7 won't be backwards compatible, so pretty soon there won't be any compatible apps for any wm6.5 devices. I would also say that any slowness or lagging that you saw on the hd2 was more than likely caused by wm, and not the chip. Give Android a shot - you won't be sorry. And stay away from the hero too, its not going to be upgraded anymire either - in fact you may want to stay away from any device without a 1ghz chip.
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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The epic actually doesn't, and the gps issues on the other galaxy s phones are all supposed to be patched by the end of Sep.
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well i don't really like the looks of evo, what about desire? it runs droid 2.1, has a 1gHz processor, what do you think about it? What about hd2? i read somewhere that it has a 100% working port of android (1.6 i think, and i guess it will get an update to 2.2) also has a 1 gHz processor.
Anyways, i know hd2 supports multitouch, but i couldn't find anywhere if the desire does.
Now about galaxy S... i have bad memories about my samsung phones, its the only phone manufacturer i cant stand.
i guess its either hd2 (because i think its the best of the current models with wm) and some android model like desire or nexus one that has 1gHz processor.
i like the desire im actually thinking about picking one up real soon.
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
Get a Galaxy S or a Nexus One, both amaaaaaaaaaaazing phones. Samsung got it right with the Galaxy S
And get away from Windows Mobile. I come from a Touch Pro 2 and it is a terrible, laggy OS. Android 2.1+ is where it's at
An HD2 (with Android running) or an Evo could be another option. The Desire is a slower phone than all of the other phones I've mentioned here.
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
freakzone said:
Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
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Maybe i should wait til wm7 is released, then maybe htc will release a new android phone that probably will have better software than n1 or desire, or maybe i will even buy something with wm7. OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BUY A FREAKING ASUS P535 that i used to have, witch worked without problems, all the apps worked fine, 3d was a blessing from the god itself. Damn the stupid qualcomm. I am actually very afraid of buying again from HTC. I had such high hopes for the kaiser when i bought it and i am afraid of buying some piece of **** again so im researching all the dirt i can find on the best smartphones.
Thanks freakzone for your time on helping me, i really appreciate it.
edit: i actually thought about customization of android like ubuntu. just imagine a 3d desktop cube on a tiny screen like that
No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
freakzone said:
No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
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i guess its either hd2 or desire for me, will go and play with those later today and see witch is better for me. I am so nostalgic about the good old times 2 years ago, having a p535 from asus was the best thing ever, it did everything i wanted it to do, it was fast and very rarely i had to restart it. I think i am going to get the hd2, even though i would like a hardware joypad but i think i can live with touch I'm just too sad that everything these days looks like a bloody iphone: nokias,htc's,samsungs, everything... i just can't stand it! i miss the good old days of wm with a square profiled pda with good, strong hw buttons and wm5
i had a samsung moment until it bricked when i tried to root it and now i got an htc hero love it
freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
nexus5894 said:
I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I agree with Android being market grade, but disagree with the general hate fir WinMo i've seen in this thread.WinMo is a dinosaur, but dinosaurs are still big and powerful creatures.
I personally don't like suggesting the N1 because of the problems i've heard of with the soft keys being hard to hit. And (not a very big deal) it only registers two points of contact iirc. My thing is if im going to pay money, i want the best, not something that is that limited.
I like the desire though. I wish more phones would have actual buttons. Between the Desire and the HD2, id get the Desire.
And i doubt the OP has issues with WinMo if he's been using it for years and us considering getting another WinMo phone.
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im thinking bout upgrading to a new phone and planning on rooting it and putting a rom on it but before i get sucked into another 2year contract, i wanna know out of these 2 phones, which woud be better and have a better experience with when everythings up and running. the 2 phones are:
HTC Inspire (TM) 4G
Samsung Captivate (TM)
if anyone has either or have had both phones, telling ur experience with the phone would be great. thank you!
Well I have a Captivate, and it looks like the Inspire, hardware wise, is a much better phone. Plus most people with androids, that I know, favor HTC.
I love my captivate, but only rooted/rom'd....the stock firmware is crap. So it's a great phone, and it may be cheaper than the inspire...so it's worth getting but only if the inspire is more than you wanna pay, if they are about the same....I would say the Inspire, just looking at the hardware.
HTC builds better quality hardware (more durable) but if you compare it with Samsung, HTC has always lower specs e.g less RAM, etc.
HTC is also better than Samsung in term of software support such as updates.
HTC phones a re of course more expensive than Samsung if you compare purely from hardware specs.
Samsung is not bad, Samsung is still one of the best phone manufacturer in the world...HTC is just simply better.
The HTC Sense is very resource consuming but a lot...I mean...a lot prettier than any of Samsung UIs...due to this matter, HTC phones are prettier but slower compared to Samsungs....but of course if you flash HTC phones with AOSP, there s no difference here.
The less good thing about HTC phones at this moment compared to Samsung is mainly due to that Samsung uses AMOLED display family, which makes a huge difference if you use the smartphone under sun light.
BTW:
All Android smartphones are a lot better with root access. If you want an Android phone and if you want to use it to its full capability, make sure you root it. You can have tons of things which are impossible to get without root access.
The best example available is that HTC has said it is impossible to have Android gingerbread with Sense for Desire (before they took back what they have said) but if you root, you can even have Android Gingerbread plus Sense 3.0, which is actually two steps more advance then the one HTC has said it were impossible.
thanks everyone. i was afraid it would come down to everything u guys said lol.
which ever phone i do choose to get, i plan on rooting and putting the most stable and best rom i can put on the phone. one of the big reasons why i want the 4G* phone is the 8MP camera. but i also hear that the battery life isnt to good on that phone. ill have to think hard and long bout my decision. thanks again!
If you want to have a smartphone with potentially good battery, I believe you will perhaps like the new HTC EVO 3D since it has a 1730mAh battery while the other has below e.g Desire with 1350mAh.
Edit: Please correct me if I am wrong with those numbers.
Im looking into picking a new phone, but like most of us I have a hard time deciding whats better to get after having the phone I thought was the greatest. So I Want to see what phone to get next, or what devices to consider, as well see what features to look for next, I was just happy when the Droid inc (1GHz processing power, 8MP Cam, and 512 MBs RAM) was announced and I still am when I look at and think about it. SO my question to the entire Community, What is the best phone, OS, ROM, Features, and why?
Phone EX: Nexus one, HTC EVO, HTC Touch Pro, LG Quantum
Custom built EX: HTC HD2 Running Windows phone 7,
Motorola Droid Running (Custom ROM or Stock)
or even a concept phone; 10MP Cam, Android 2.2, dual core, qwerty keyboard, etc.
Current:
PhoneInc, ROM:Incredible RMX 2
Tablet:Asus Transformer, ROM:Revolver
the only 2 phones worth considering are:
SGS2
Nexus 3
or wait another months for the next best phones to come out, but by then you can wait another 3 months, and then even better phones are around the corner
i made a spec sheet for iOS/Android/Windows phones in my sig.
please feel free to check it out and contribute if you can.
thanks.
hopefully this will help you in getting the right device this holiday season.
AllGamer said:
the only 2 phones worth considering are:
SGS2
Nexus 3
or wait another months for the next best phones to come out, but by then you can wait another 3 months, and then even better phones are around the corner
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lol I see your point, but there's nothing i'm that excited about. I do like the HTC rhyme, (if it wasn't purple). What are the specs on the Nexus 3?
aohus said:
i made a spec sheet for iOS/Android/Windows phones in my sig.
please feel free to check it out and contribute if you can.
thanks.
hopefully this will help you in getting the right device this holiday season.
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Thank you, I like the looks of the Sensation XE, But I'm in the US how can I get it on verizon? if you know, and that HTC Holiday, but again, verizon.
the Nexus 3 is basically SGS2 but with a 5MP camera instead of 8MP, but improved screen SAMOLED+ HD 720p resolution
tech spec for the SGS2 are everywhere
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Hi
according to gsmarena is SAMSUNG GALAXY SII
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because it aggregates new processor technology bringing 2 cores concept.
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according to gsmarena is SAMSUNG GALAXY SII
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because it aggregates new processor technology bringing 2 cores concept.
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Let me help you out with that mate...
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-3621.php
Incidentally, to make it easier for people (till you get enough posts to post links), just change the http to hxxp. That seems like a commonly accepted way of posting links that aren't links (and it's easier for people to correct in their address bar!)
Nexus 3 is what I'm waiting for.. .iphone 5 is sounding real sexy too at the moment. Seems like it will be the thinnest phone once it releases.on top of its sexy teardrop all aluminum design reminiscent of the MacBook air from what I've read (all speculations)Too bad ios sucks!
Sticking to android and probably give wp7 a try once better phones are out.
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But giving up my 8MP cam and I've never really been to big a Samsung anything fan. But I do like the gorilla glass idea. And what are the best rumered specs about the Iphone 5 even thou I probably won't buy it?
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As much as I dislike HTC, the HTC titan is in a league of it's own as far as phones go. With processing power, it's not the absolute best. The thing is though, that only matters on an OS like android where it will only run remotely decent even with a top-end processor. Aside from that it sports a massive screen, ffc for video chat, solid body, up to 32 gigs internal, and most importantly windows phone 7. I'm sorry, but I don't buy high-end hardware to put an OS on it that was and is intended for crap hardware. My OS needs to keep up with me. Can I customize my phone to the point that it is unstable, slow, but reflects me? No. I can add numerous tiles with all kinds of pictures on a dynamic UI which totally beats a background image for me. Android is great if customization is your ONLY concern, for quality, speed, social integration, gaming,business, media, and pretty much anything else you'd be ripping yourself off if you went any way but the windows phone 7 way.
iphone5，next google phone
I honestly think that the Samsung Galaxy S II is the best phone out there, befor i bought it i read tons of comparisons and articles
Nexus prime with ics !!!!!!
Nexus Prime is supposed to be coming out in the next 2 weeks WITH ICS!!!!
I would personally want the MIUI phone / M1 but I doubt it will make it out of China.
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Nexus Prime is supposed to be coming out in the next 2 weeks WITH ICS!!!!
I would personally want the MIUI phone / M1 but I doubt it will make it out of China.
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Whats the MIUI phone? the phone I used to want (though probably outdated now) was called the first else phone, and it was only sold in the middle east, but everyone seems to be on samsung now, I just cant be excited about that, esp since everything I would buy from them usually looks alot better than it preforms. The two phones that top my list now thou would be the Sensation XE, and the Rhyme(almost to the point where the color doesn't even matter)
But I have heard alot of good about the nexus prime. I just feel like if I actually knew how how to program it would be of that much more use to me.
You must smoke crack
z33dev33l said:
As much as I dislike HTC, the HTC titan is in a league of it's own as far as phones go. With processing power, it's not the absolute best. The thing is though, that only matters on an OS like android where it will only run remotely decent even with a top-end processor. Aside from that it sports a massive screen, ffc for video chat, solid body, up to 32 gigs internal, and most importantly windows phone 7. I'm sorry, but I don't buy high-end hardware to put an OS on it that was and is intended for crap hardware. My OS needs to keep up with me. Can I customize my phone to the point that it is unstable, slow, but reflects me? No. I can add numerous tiles with all kinds of pictures on a dynamic UI which totally beats a background image for me. Android is great if customization is your ONLY concern, for quality, speed, social integration, gaming,business, media, and pretty much anything else you'd be ripping yourself off if you went any way but the windows phone 7 way.
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Djay1809 said:
Im looking into picking a new phone, but like most of us I have a hard time deciding whats better to get after having the phone I thought was the greatest. So I Want to see what phone to get next, or what devices to consider, as well see what features to look for next, I was just happy when the Droid inc (1GHz processing power, 8MP Cam, and 512 MBs RAM) was announced and I still am when I look at and think about it. SO my question to the entire Community, What is the best phone, OS, ROM, Features, and why?
Phone EX: Nexus one, HTC EVO, HTC Touch Pro, LG Quantum
Custom built EX: HTC HD2 Running Windows phone 7,
Motorola Droid Running (Custom ROM or Stock)
or even a concept phone; 10MP Cam, Android 2.2, dual core, qwerty keyboard, etc.
Current:
PhoneInc, ROM:Incredible RMX 2
Tablet:Asus Transformer, ROM:Revolver
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Stay away from WM7 on an HD2 if you want the card slot to survive. It will kill the card slot. Mine, I can run WM7, but if I try to flash Android or other ROMs, the card slot won't work. WM7 runs from the card in the slot excessively and wears it out. WM7 just isn't worth it.
Imho I have used the Samsung epic and also the EVO 4g (not the 3d) and have noticed that the EVO is by far the best one out of the two... Also the most customizable in the sense if being able to switch from sense 3.0 to 3.5 and to asop...
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b1337 said:
You must smoke crack
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not at all, I just know my stuff.
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not at all, I just know my stuff.
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well the only exception to your analogy is the sgs 2 or a totally stock/cyano/miui rom, according to my experience from my hd2 and captivate days. If it's sense, you can expect it to lagg, even when you have nothing on your homescreen.
That aside, I have to agree, WP7 is a great piece of work. Micro created a smooth, simple UI/OS that competes with apple in all those terms and maybe even better in some aspects. What Micro is "copying" from Apple is making phones that run on the "same specs". And the advantage to that is any app placed on the market will be able to run on all WP7 phones, unlike some android apps, which will work on a certain phone but not another.
What i don't like however is that really, all of them look the same (UI/appearance). It makes me feel like i don't have anything special. Which is the same with an iPhone(a stock one atleast). Atleast with android I can customize my status/notificaton bar, change my launcher layout/appearance, change certain effects e.g. overscroll glow to bouncy, change my lockscreen, change my icons, change my settings/menu appearance, which overall means i can have a phone that's different than the next or atleast appears different. (note also the lagg that you state coming from all this customization was atleast non apparent to me in my hd2 days, and for me now in my sgs 2)
Now I may be wrong about WP7 as i haven't even checked on the hacks/customization available since my HD2 days running WP7.
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You must smoke crack
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I don't think so, you obviously have not done a genuine unbiased eval.
I'm looking to buy a new phone, and I'm going to try the Android road once again. My main problem with Android phones has been usability, mostly small glitches, lag, unresponsiveness and other various bugs that annoy me when all I want to do is a complete a simple task. The problem with my current HTC wildfire is that I'm simply sick to death about mostly lag and interface issues, and I'm running a pretty average stock ROM, I forget which one since I kinda stuck with one that I was somewhat happy with and gave up with reflashing.
I've tried plenty of other ROMS and they all tend to be the same in one way or another when it comes to issues like this. I've even got it overclocked to 710mhz, and still facing crappy issues, and pretty big drain in the battery. I just really feel I shouldn't have to go through all of that to get decent usability.
Hell I think the Branded stock HTC ROM out preformed most of the cooked ones, my only problem with it was that was branded everywhere with useless shortcuts and icons.
So I'm looking for something fairly high end, with a physical qwerty keyboard, a 3.5mm jack, and overall simply put, good performance for general use and the odd emulator here and there. I was thinking the HTC desire Z, but since it's going at about $300-$350 I think it might be another mistake, my Wildfire was about that much and after a few months it was a regretful buy.
I really don't want to buy another phone that will let me down, my last three phones were a HTC Touch Diamond which cost a fortune, a Nokia E63 (Because I was that stick of the touch diamond), and my current HTC Wildfire, the E63 was probably the best buy out of all of them, and it was the cheapest.
So please guys, help me find a decent phone, I really don't want to have to fork out the ridiculous amount of money for an iPhone 4 or go back to the E series Nokia phones.
I know it seems a little lazy for me to be asking a forum such a question, this is something I usually research and review, but that has failed me which is why I really want some advice from users themselves, ones that have possibly suffered from the same sort of issues. Reviews are one thing, but daily long term users are another. I remember thinking the Wildfire was good from the reviews, little did I know.
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Kind of late for the sgs 2 but I still recommend it. I have not experienced any lag, and I will proudly say it is the most fluid and smooth phone android has to offer. It has software which is unmatched in terms of efficiency and maintainability and security. Moreover it is more or less equal to sense in terms of functionality.
That's sort of in the right track, but as mentioned, I'm looking for something with a physical QWERY keyboard.
I'm thinking maybe the Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro, anyone got any kind of negative feedback on that?
If you want a qwerty keyboard, you can have a look at the HTC Desire Z. They are available in The Netherlands here for 319,- euros. I don't know if they are sold in your area though...
How do you like HTC Chacha?
qwerty, android and low price are included
I have the Desire Z and i love my phone its really great, and for me the keyboard was the main reason to buy the phone and after one year with the phone i can certainly say that the phone has much more then the keyboard and u can find many roms for it here in xda...
BUT i want also mention that the phone is nowaday i little bit outdated, with its 800mhz single core prossesor(ok u can takt it up to 2ghz,so its for me never a problem of speed with 1-1,3ghz and the right rom u have more then enough speed,dats my personal few),
The BIG MINUS for me are the 512Mb ram,which u will get to know sometimes when u are useing bigger roms (like sense 3.0,for sure there are ways to "extend RAM" and super roms like the Virtous Unity where almost everything works smooth), but these 512mb ram and the Android together making it sometimes difficult for me, it causes lags and all,(today i have cm7 on it and still now no probs, only the market app is bit slow but that has nothing to do with the phone i think)
....to be honest i never really saw an android headset without any small lag...
and as Kailkti above said, (even if i am not a big samsung and his plastic phone fan) i would also say buy the the SGS2 its really very fast and almost lag and problem free ...as i know....
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I have the Desire Z and i love my phone its really great, and for me the keyboard was the main reason to buy the phone and after one year with the phone i can certainly say that the phone has much more then the keyboard and u can find many roms for it here iin xda...
BUT i want also mention that the phone is nowaday i little bit outdated, with its 800mhz single core prossesor(ok u can takt it up to 2ghz,so its for me never a problem of speed with 1-1,3ghz and the right rom u have more then enough speed,dats my personal few),
The BIG MINUS for me are the 512Mb ram,which u will get to know sometimes when u are useing bigger roms (like sense 3.0,for sure there are ways to "extend RAM" and super roms like the Virtous Unity where almost everything works smooth), but these 512mb ram and the Android together making it sometimes difficult for me, it causes lags and all,(today i have cm7 on it and still now no probs, only the market app is bit slow but that has nothing to do with the phone i think)
....to be honest i never really saw an android headset without any small leg...
and as Kailkti above said, (even if i am not a big samsung and his plastic phone fan) i would also say buy the the SGS2 its really very fast and almost lag and problem free ...as i know....but I am unexperienced compared to many devs here....
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Wow Manuel, I'd just like to say thanks, I really appreciate the time you took into giving me details and your personal experience with the phone!
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Wow Manuel, I'd just like to say thanks, I really appreciate the time you took into giving me details and your personal experience with the phone!
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You are Welcome ...as said i love my desire Z and i saw dat u are thinking about buying... so i wanted to tell u that the phone is great but has also his minus... and u should know and think about what u want and need...every phone has his + and - ...as i bought my phone i had the choice between the desire z and the galaxy S and i took the desire z and I am happy about it...i wanted a phone with qwertz keyboard, because i am writing much and i dont like TS writing and now there are many other better much more powerfull devices, but only less alternatives to the desire z...( for me personally there i no alternative because i like sense very much an there is no other device with qwertz keyboard from htc, ok the Salsa but thats an other league)...
.)so u have to decide if u want power and lag/bugless phone then galaxyS2 is ...
.)physical keyboard and a middle class phonewith good manufacturing, wich is not lagfree desire z
.)or u should look at motorola(but dont know how the phones really are, only read about one,..two days or so ago... with dulcore and keyboard and all)
so wish u all a nice day ;D
Galaxy Nexus ALL THE WAY!!!!!!! Reasons:
1) Will be smoothest and most stable
2) Will have dev support from google for a LONG TIME
3) Due to dev support, wont be obsolete for a LONG TIME
4) Runs pure android
Personal Experience:
I own a nexus one. I am running gingerbread with little to no lag most of the time. This phone is two years old and I still get OTA updates. I am planning on getting a galaxy nexus. Even though its 2 years old, I still love it, wouldnt trade it for an iphone ever.
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Galaxy nexus runs PURE STOCK, making it much more stable and much less laggy. Almost no reason to spend time rooting and flashing ROMS if you into that. Also, with a 1.2 ghz dual core processor, there's not much room for lag. Last point, ICS was designed to be more stable and smooth than any other android build EVER, so if you want the smoothest android phone possible, the galaxy nexus is the way to go.
Extra Goodies:
First phone to run ICS. Once again, ICS was designed for this phone!!!!!! Get all the goodies from ICS. The highest resolution android screen EVER and its 4.65" Super AMOLED. And LTE and HSPA+ support. So if you are on verizon, sprint, tmobile, or att you can get it.
google.com/nexus
matthewkhoury75 said:
Galaxy Nexus ALL THE WAY!!!!!!! Reasons:
1) Will be smoothest and most stable
2) Will have dev support from google for a LONG TIME
3) Due to dev support, wont be obsolete for a LONG TIME
4) Runs pure android
Personal Experience:
I own a nexus one. I am running gingerbread with little to no lag most of the time. This phone is two years old and I still get OTA updates. I am planning on getting a galaxy nexus. Even though its 2 years old, I still love it, wouldnt trade it for an iphone ever.
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Galaxy nexus runs PURE STOCK, making it much more stable and much less laggy. Almost no reason to spend time rooting and flashing ROMS if you into that. Also, with a 1.2 ghz dual core processor, there's not much room for lag. Last point, ICS was designed to be more stable and smooth than any other android build EVER, so if you want the smoothest android phone possible, the galaxy nexus is the way to go.
Extra Goodies:
First phone to run ICS. Once again, ICS was designed for this phone!!!!!! Get all the goodies from ICS. The highest resolution android screen EVER and its 4.65" Super AMOLED. And LTE and HSPA+ support. So if you are on verizon, sprint, tmobile, or att you can get it.
google.com/nexus
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Thanks for the detailed response Matt, but unfortunately like I mentioned I want a physical QWERTY keyboard, it's a must.
Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has a qwerty. The new xperia models are really great once the bloatware is gone and you get a new launcher. I have the Play, and it's gone way above my expectations for a single core model.
Having a perfected single core is better than a still-developing dual.
Edit: didn't see the part where you mention that model. Derp.
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Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has a qwerty. The new xperia models are really great once the bloatware is gone and you get a new launcher. I have the Play, and it's gone way above my expectations for a single core model.
Having a perfected single core is better than a still-developing dual.
Edit: didn't see the part where you mention that model. Derp.
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Thanks mate, also a helpful answer. I think I might choose the Xperia Pro after all, it's got a slightly faster processor than the Desire Z, and I've been extremely happy with Sony Ericsson phones in the past (w850i, **** yeah). I was likely going to remove Timescape anyway, I'll give it a whirl for a few days, but I think I'll prefer another launcher in the end.
I'm using go launcher ex. The customizations and ability to backup settings is great. Whenever I flash a ROM, I just restore the backup and the custom stuff is already done.
I tried the Desire Z when picking out phones. The landscape mode only worked when the qwerty was open, and the screen didn't seem very sharp.. I'm glad I waited an extra few months to get my phone because I would have been stuck with a Samsung, and missed out on the xperia play gamepad. The xplay literally popped out of nowhere in my country. I had no idea it was coming out beforehand.
My advice: look around mobile blog/review sites for previews/announces of upcoming models. You never know, a couple months from now something better suited to you might be released.
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guys i'm to get my new phone probably htc desire s.
But i have a few question from you guys that:
1.Is 768 MB of RAM is enough for you?
2. is there any lag when playing games or by apps?
3. is it future proof?
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guys i'm to get my new phone probably htc desire s.
But i have a few question from you guys that:
1.Is 768 MB of RAM is enough for you?
2. is there any lag when playing games or by apps?
3. is it future proof?
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@1. yes think so. the new sensation xe got the same amount of ram
@2. did not notice any bad lag yet but havent try anything out there and ive just used the branded stock rom
@3. compared to the sensation xe: it just got a singlecore cpu with 1ghz compared to a dualcore with 1,5ghz and a adreno 205 as gpu vs a adreno 220 at the sensation xe. since im no geek i cant tell whether its future proof or not, but the desire s is not that old, prolly up to one year now. imo youre quite good with it atleast i am
hope this helps
Its an adreno 205 and this phone is not futureproof. I wouldn't consider any phone to be futureproof. But I think 768mb ram is enough and games are pretty smooth
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guys i'm to get my new phone probably htc desire s.
But i have a few question from you guys that:
1.Is 768 MB of RAM is enough for you?
2. is there any lag when playing games or by apps?
3. is it future proof?
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1. Yes, I always have about 100MB free with about 150 installed apps and a lot of widgets.
2. Only the really heavy 3D ones (like some games from gameloft); 2D games should be fine. (Look for reviews of the Adreno 205 GPU). Apps generally never lag on this phone.
3. A little. 1GHz is fast, but most new phones have dual core and higher clock rates. Also, I'm not sure if there will be an official Android 4.0 release from HTC, but if you are willing to install custom ROM's that shouldn't be a problem.
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@3. compared to the sensation xe: it just got a singlecore cpu with 1ghz compared to a dualcore with 1,5ghz and a adreno 200 as gpu vs a adreno 220 at the sensation xe. since im no geek i cant tell whether its future proof or not, but the desire s is not that old, prolly up to one year now. imo youre quite good with it atleast i am
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Our Desire S has an Adreno 205 and not the slower 200. However, the 205 still isn't all that fast.
xIntenso said:
1. Yes, I always have about 100MB free with about 150 installed apps and a lot of widgets.
2. Only the really heavy 3D ones (like some games from gameloft); 2D games should be fine. (Look for reviews of the Adreno 205 GPU). Apps generally never lag on this phone.
3. A little. 1GHz is fast, but most new phones have dual core and higher clock rates. Also, I'm not sure if there will be an official Android 4.0 release from HTC, but if you are willing to install custom ROM's that shouldn't be a problem.
Our Desire S has an Adreno 205 and not the slower 200. However, the 205 still isn't all that fast.
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oh yeh my fault. the side where i checked it got it wrong
-1: its enough! depending on the rom the launcher works fast and smooth.
-2: i noticed a few lags when playing hd games! but only at the first minutes or when you are downloading other apps in the background.
-3: if we speak of smartphones or electronical devices in general, one can never speak of future proofness. i installed ics from virtous. as a future android version it runs smooth, too.
pls excuse my bad english : )
i hope you get what i wanted to say.
1. It has proved to be plenty of RAM for me. A sign it was not enough would be the Sense launcher re-loading occasionally after exiting a memory-intensive app. Even on a stock ROM this didn’t happen.
2. Have not experienced any lag on the games I play. OK they are not generally the 3D type, and I have not tried GTA3, but Speedx3D runs smooth and that is quite a fast 3D game. Google Navigation, youtube, Netflix, 720p video recording and playback, all run smoothly.
3. No phone is future proof. You’d need to be able to upgrade hardware like a PC for that. Hell these days even PC’s are out-of-date before the cooling fan has had chance to get dusty. What is important is that even after nearly a year of this phone’s availability, development for the DS on XDA is actually speeding up! Not slowing down at all! Seems to be a new ROM each week to try out. There should already be enough for you to play with for your time with this phone. It’s getting some serious love from the ICS devs too, something I’m sure HTC had no intention of officially giving us.
I know several people with dual-core phones, and aside from showing off in benchmark tests, I have yet to meet someone who actually really benefits from having that extra core or can show me something useful that it provides. The only benefit I can think of is improved battery life (the SGS II battery life is excellent), but that is more down to improved chip architecture (plus a bigger battery) not extra processing power.
Personally I also don’t like the 4.7 inch screens as I only have small girl-like hands which includes a 2.5 inch thumb! The DS screen size is perfect for me. The SGS II is painful and frequently see people in my office needing two hands to operate it! Also the build quality on the DS (in my opinion) makes the SGS II look like it came out of a Kinder Surprise.
I have been contemplating what to upgrade to in the summer, and even though MWC has yet to announce all the contenders, even the available ones don’t appeal. They all tout a screen too large to be comfortable, and processing power I simply don’t need. I think I’ll be sticking with my DS until someone puts a phone out there that focuses on battery life improvements and decent camera optics instead of getting blinkered by cramming more and more processing power in. It’s the best phone I’ve ever had and this is the best section on XDA that I have experienced.
Hope I’ve helped.
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Personally I also don’t like the 4.7 inch screens as I only have small girl-like hands which includes a 2.5 inch thumb! The DS screen size is perfect for me. The SGS II is painful and frequently see people in my office needing two hands to operate it! Also the build quality on the DS (in my opinion) makes the SGS II look like it came out of a Kinder Surprise.
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i thing the screen size is the only thing to conciser. in fact is a matter of taste.
otherwise there is no speed or smoothness problem at all. i personally have been using this phone for almost a year now with no complains at all.
plus with the virtuous quattro running so smooth at that stage i cant imagine how good it will be.
You've come to the bakery to ask if buns are nice my friend.
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You've come to the bakery to ask if buns are nice my friend.
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LOL! that was a good one! i felt just like that when i read through this thread!
wnp_79 made good points, too! i think that was the most useful post here.
wnp_79 said:
1. It has proved to be plenty of RAM for me. A sign it was not enough would be the Sense launcher re-loading occasionally after exiting a memory-intensive app. Even on a stock ROM this didn’t happen.
2. Have not experienced any lag on the games I play. OK they are not generally the 3D type, and I have not tried GTA3, but Speedx3D runs smooth and that is quite a fast 3D game. Google Navigation, youtube, Netflix, 720p video recording and playback, all run smoothly.
3. No phone is future proof. You’d need to be able to upgrade hardware like a PC for that. Hell these days even PC’s are out-of-date before the cooling fan has had chance to get dusty. What is important is that even after nearly a year of this phone’s availability, development for the DS on XDA is actually speeding up! Not slowing down at all! Seems to be a new ROM each week to try out. There should already be enough for you to play with for your time with this phone. It’s getting some serious love from the ICS devs too, something I’m sure HTC had no intention of officially giving us.
I know several people with dual-core phones, and aside from showing off in benchmark tests, I have yet to meet someone who actually really benefits from having that extra core or can show me something useful that it provides. The only benefit I can think of is improved battery life (the SGS II battery life is excellent), but that is more down to improved chip architecture (plus a bigger battery) not extra processing power.
Personally I also don’t like the 4.7 inch screens as I only have small girl-like hands which includes a 2.5 inch thumb! The DS screen size is perfect for me. The SGS II is painful and frequently see people in my office needing two hands to operate it! Also the build quality on the DS (in my opinion) makes the SGS II look like it came out of a Kinder Surprise.
I have been contemplating what to upgrade to in the summer, and even though MWC has yet to announce all the contenders, even the available ones don’t appeal. They all tout a screen too large to be comfortable, and processing power I simply don’t need. I think I’ll be sticking with my DS until someone puts a phone out there that focuses on battery life improvements and decent camera optics instead of getting blinkered by cramming more and more processing power in. It’s the best phone I’ve ever had and this is the best section on XDA that I have experienced.
Hope I’ve helped.
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I love you for this post man!! (all platonic, of course )
This was an amazing insight into our device, and phones in general...what did me in was your closing sentence...
" It’s the best phone I’ve ever had and this is the best section on XDA that I have experienced. " - I have to say you echo my thoughts verbatim! Was looking for an upgrade too, and had almost decided to jump in for the Galaxy Note (I know it's not exactly a phone - that was kinda the point, but i digress...) but i just can't come to terms with having to give up this phone.
And do you know what the primary cause for that is? It's this community and all of you guys. I wouldn't be able to give it all up and move away...I know some of you so well, it's almost like family...or old school friends (they know who they are). Hell, i miss zeekiz since he's moved off to the Galaxy Nexus !
I love this phone and i love this community, and no Quad core is going to make me sell this phone. I will always keep this device...if only to stay on these pages.....
Thank you enigmaamit! Yes I'll also feel sad when the day comes to move to another device. I may even break with my tradition of selling my old phone on eBay, and keep the DS so I can still test for people, and pop back to say hi every now and then. That'll be months away though.
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Group hug guys...
But seriously, I really hope that HTC haven't forgot about Desire line. Same form factor, dual core (make it quad) anyone?
Oh yeah... I am keeping mine as well. Everyone needs a trusty backup phone.
bronx said:
Group hug guys...
But seriously, I really hope that HTC haven't forgot about Desire line. Same form factor, dual core (make it quad) anyone?
Oh yeah... I am keeping mine as well. Everyone needs a trusty backup phone.
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Same form factor and with half an inch bigger display squeezed in, what about that?
Naaah... My thumb is too short for additional 1/2 inch.
I read something earlier about a forthcoming phone that's called (at the moment) the HTC primo, dual core, 3.7" screen but only 512mb ram,ics sense 4.0. It was on the stufftv website I think. Is this the replacement for the desire s?
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I have a hunch that it is rather wildfire s successor... I bloody hope so...
Hello Happy Helpful People
I'm currently still using the original HTC Desire and I think it's time for me to retire it. It still works great but have been running low on memory for last 6 months and it's got the to point where I use all my apps and don't want to delete anymore.
Been researching around and considered the Sensation and Galaxy s2 but having had a play on both today they're too big for my tiny hands. So the research continues and I think I may have found my next phone in the form of the DS! I do have a question though - is there actually 1.1gb of space for apps or is less than that after taking into account the memory needed for UI/processor? Sorry I don't know that much about the techy side of things so excuse my lack of knowledge in my quest of finding my next phone I've also been making notes of new apps I can download!
I know this phone is now almost a year old and not that much of a leap from the Desire but that's also part of its charm. Plus the pricing is about right.
Thanks for your help
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Hello Happy Helpful People
I'm currently still using the original HTC Desire and I think it's time for me to retire it. It still works great but have been running low on memory for last 6 months and it's got the to point where I use all my apps and don't want to delete anymore.
Been researching around and considered the Sensation and Galaxy s2 but having had a play on both today they're too big for my tiny hands. So the research continues and I think I may have found my next phone in the form of the DS! I do have a question though - is there actually 1.1gb of space for apps or is less than that after taking into account the memory needed for UI/processor? Sorry I don't know that much about the techy side of things so excuse my lack of knowledge in my quest of finding my next phone I've also been making notes of new apps I can download!
I know this phone is now almost a year old and not that much of a leap from the Desire but that's also part of its charm. Plus the pricing is about right.
Thanks for your help
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yeah i think we get the full 1.1 gb ,not sure though
the extra 256mb helps
the adreno 205 is a huge improvement from the adreno 200(especially after the new drivers in ICS)
but having said that there will be better dualcore phones at a similar price point soon
Well if you can wait until the end of month, you might wanna see what HTC has in store this year.
There's the rumoured HTC Primo (3.7" WVGA) which i think is somewhat the Desire S successor with less RAM.
And then there's the HTC Ville (4.3" qHD) & Edge (4.7" HD).
But if you're getting it now, you can get it at a much cheaper price than we got when it came out last year.