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HSUPA?

So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.

Everything I have read so far has said it is supported, but now that you mention it, what would be the difference, a certain frequency band I guess? Nothing I have read over thus far has said anything about a difference between countries (i.e. US and rest of world)...

aphexacid said:
So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
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Not sure if this is fast enough for you but unless AT&T massacred the radio in the Captivate you should experience speeds like.... http://twitpic.com/24a5ri
That's my Galaxy S in Orlando running solely off 1900MHz 3G.

FWIW, this indicates HSUPA is supported, but I'd consider this a preliminary spec that needs to be confirmed after the Captivate is released and tested.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2430&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i897_galaxy_s_captivate_

Sweet, very nice.
Seriously, once you have HSUPA, you cant go back. Its like going back to edge.
I still think i'm going to hold out about a week or so after the device launches just to make sure of a few things that i need to have.
thanks fellas!

Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.

AJerman said:
Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
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Yes. If you look at my picture posted here http://twitpic.com/24a5ri you will see the 'H' you are asking about in the statusbar.

My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.

mesasone said:
My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
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I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)

Well that's weird. I'll have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can figure out why mine won't jump on HSUPA.
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Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?

AJerman said:
Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
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Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.

I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James

derek4484 said:
Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
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Oh, I didn't see him say that. That sucks. I really hope the Captivate didn't get crippled, but right now, there's no other explanation than that. I SHOULD have HSUPA right now, and I don't.
jmacdonald801 said:
I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
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I never had an issue where I live. While everyone else was going slow, I was still doing 1200-1300 Kbps.
Edit: Looks like there's a good chance the Captivate WAS crippled. There's absolutely no mention of HSUPA in the manual at all. This REALLY sucks. I may consider returning the phone because of this and leaving AT&T.

Its all 3g hsdpa/umts
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trinikartel said:
I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
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AT&T devices do not show the H like the International versions, they use 3G icon only to avoid confusion apparently.

Well on AT&T's site it says the iphone 4 has umts/hsdpa. I'm pretty positive that it has hsupa. So I don't believe AT&T's site is an accurate source of information for their own products.

I just put my sim card back in my ATT Tilt2. It DOES show H in Dallas, TX. As it has since I bought it. Captivate shows 3g. There IS a speed difference.

I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?

jojorios said:
I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
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I'm getting about the same right now (at night I can get 4M down). The thing is that I'm getting the same crappy upstream speeds with my Nexus One. Before the whole AT&T equipment ****-up in early July, I was getting ~1.5M up with my Nexus. Now I'm wondering if they crippled it for non-Apple devices.

Switch from Captivate --> Which carrier & phone?

hey guys, first post around here and I have a question for the masses. Currently I'm on AT&T with the Captivate but we are going to have to switch off Ma Bell due to coverage issues at our house (we are going cell-only). My decision to get the Captivate earlier was easy: I had to stay with AT&T and it easily the best phone they had. And I actually like the phone now that I've gotten a Froyo build and the GPS works. But now that we are out of contract I'm unsure where to go and what phone to get (or to wait).
I know that T-Mobile and Verizon get the best coverage at our house and those are the two carriers I'm considering. As far as Android phones are concerned, if I'm coming from the Captivate, which phone do you think I would be most satisfied with? Droid 2? G2? MyTouch 4G?
Or should I wait for this Nexus S to come out? Having quick updates is huge and as a former iPhone owner, its nice to not have the carriers put their grubby mitts on them.
Thanks in advance for any advice.

nexus one, droid 2 or vibrant if you like the galaxy s series, but thats my opinion

T-Mobile has WiFi calling as well and that's a great asset to have. If you're 100% positive that T-Mobile has the coverage you need you should go with them and get a G2 or myTouch 4G.. the DEFY is nice but it's more mid-range. I would wait for FroYo before getting the Vibrant. Then you have Windows Phone 7 if you're looking at one of those.

See if T-Mobile is offering "4G" speeds in your area. If they are, you might want to grab the myTouch 4G or the G2. The G2 looks awesome IMO.
BTW, I used the GPS on a G2 and it was flawless

G2
motorola droidx
HTC EVO

Agraceffa said:
hey guys, first post around here and I have a question for the masses. Currently I'm on AT&T with the Captivate but we are going to have to switch off Ma Bell due to coverage issues at our house (we are going cell-only). My decision to get the Captivate earlier was easy: I had to stay with AT&T and it easily the best phone they had. And I actually like the phone now that I've gotten a Froyo build and the GPS works. But now that we are out of contract I'm unsure where to go and what phone to get (or to wait).
I know that T-Mobile and Verizon get the best coverage at our house and those are the two carriers I'm considering. As far as Android phones are concerned, if I'm coming from the Captivate, which phone do you think I would be most satisfied with? Droid 2? G2? MyTouch 4G?
Or should I wait for this Nexus S to come out? Having quick updates is huge and as a former iPhone owner, its nice to not have the carriers put their grubby mitts on them.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I vote for waiting on the Nexus S and at least see what it's about. If you get a phone and discover the Nexus S is a much better phone, you'll be kicking yourself for the next two years.
T-Mobile -G2
Verizon - Droid 2/ Droid X (depending upon the keyboard want/need. I'd go D2)
Sprint - Evo
I personally love Android, and at this point in time, can't imagine using another smartphone OS.

Get a Microcell
If it is just a coverage issue, get an AT&T Microcell. No contract required, just uses your existing minutes and internet connection. I have one at work due to zero signal...works like a champ!

second the microcell.
call ATT and politely tell them that you plan on leaving because the coverage inside your house is not up to par. when they send you to retention services, tell them that you'd stay if the coverage was better IN YOUR HOUSE and most likely they'll offer you a microcell for free

Sprint ---> EVO
Verizon ---> Droid X or 2 depending on your stance on QWERTY
T-Mobile ---> G2 or HD7 depending on your stance on WP7
AT&T ---> Cry

I like this option to start, I never thought of complaining to AT&T as a first step. Since I have other options, whats the worst that could happen, right? That broadband pipe is going to get some serious traffic . . .
For the other phone, I was thinking Droid X or G2. I love the design of the Cappy and in my opinion, the myTouch 4G and the Vibrant/Fascinate seem to be a step down. Most likely it will be the Droid X or waiting until the Nexus S "issue" is resolved. I'm a little skeptical of the G2 hinge after seeing it in store.

If you go with t mobile you can use your captivate until you figure out what phone you want. (if you unlock it)
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sblees said:
If you go with t mobile you can use your captivate until you figure out what phone you want. (if you unlock it)
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true but no 3g service, right?

Agraceffa said:
true but no 3g service, right?
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Well that I'm not sure about.
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T-Mobile exclusively uses the AWS 1700/2100 MHz frequency-band. Not compatible with other 3g services in the U.S.

mikegy2002 said:
T-Mobile exclusively uses the AWS 1700/2100 MHz frequency-band. Not compatible with other 3g services in the U.S.
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that's what I thought. Same as using an iPhone on T-mobile. It'll work but you'll just be stuck on Edge like speeds.

[Q] Trade Captivate for hTC HD2?

Could I get some opinions on this?

ih4ckback said:
Could I get some opinions on this?
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Depends on what your looking for bro.
The HD2 is a hacker's dream device though.
Get it if your bored with the captivate i guess?

Does it have AT&T 3G bands? Does it have features you want compared to Captivate? Those are questions I'd ask myself.

My friend has one and its ok. I love how crisp our screen. My friend likes my captivate better. But it only has T-mo 3g bands unless you get the Australian addition for At&t 3g bands. I say stick with the captivate especially since the Gingerbread leak just came out.

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My friend has one and its ok. I love how crisp our screen. My friend likes my captivate better. But it only has T-mo 3g bands unless you get the Australian addition for At&t 3g bands. I say stick with the captivate especially since the Gingerbread leak just came out.
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Actually the HD2 has full CM7 support which always has the latest gingerbread builds...so I'd just suggest playing around with it and if you like it then get it.

I would get an Inspire. You can't hack it as much, but it has full CM support. The ROM's have such a high quality feel. Plus it's 4G, or at least what AT&T conisders 4G.
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AT&T 4G are you on it?

After getting very poor speeds, I never got above 4.1, I stopped in my local AT&T shop.
Turns out that when I went from my Blackberry to the Infuse, they never put me on the 4G plan, only on the unlimited data plan.
I haven't been up to Nashville to test whether my Infuse is now connecting at AT&T's 4G, but I just wanted to let everyone know. That if you got grandfathered in, they may not have put you on the 4G unlimited plan.

4g umlimited plan is just what their calling their data plans for "4g" devices right now. There 4g network is just a spruced up 3g network and since we use 3g sims it doesnt matter what your plan is you should get faster speeds if they backhauled the network ware you live.
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Truckerglenn said:
After getting very poor speeds, I never got above 4.1, I stopped in my local AT&T shop.
Turns out that when I went from my Blackberry to the Infuse, they never put me on the 4G plan, only on the unlimited data plan.
I haven't been up to Nashville to test whether my Infuse is now connecting at AT&T's 4G, but I just wanted to let everyone know. That if you got grandfathered in, they may not have put you on the 4G unlimited plan.
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I doubt there is a 4G data plan. I am using a 3+ year old SIM (doesn't even say 3G on it) and am getting 5mb speeds and haven't spoken with ATT in years.
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MisterEdF said:
I doubt there is a 4G data plan. I am using a 3+ year old SIM (doesn't even say 3G on it) and am getting 5mb speeds and haven't spoken with ATT in years.
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so you doubt there is a 4g data plan because you have had the same sim card for 3 years and get 3g data speeds???
bottom line there are different data plans for 4g hspa+ data, (same price but different feature code/provisioning) those who dismiss this idea as some kind of att conspiracy theory, well i dont know what to tell you, but maybe you should put some tape over the front facing camera on your phones so "they" cant watch you!

Tomdg07 said:
so you doubt there is a 4g data plan because you have had the same sim card for 3 years and get 3g data speeds???
bottom line there are different data plans for 4g hspa+ data, (same price but different feature code/provisioning) those who dismiss this idea as some kind of att conspiracy theory, well i dont know what to tell you, but maybe you should put some tape over the front facing camera on your phones so "they" cant watch you!
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LOL well said my man. I got that camera on my Thrill 4G as well makes you think huh? Maybe the big blue monster of AT & T really is watchinge type this. Muahahaha!
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Speed tests are not that great...
Well i have noticed that the two major speed test apps are not really that good testing. They are too all over the place, but i can tell my speeds are gaining every day a little bit. 4G is in my area, which i am not supposedly connecting to it fully because i have to wait a while, and I am on the uckd5 modem which seems to work best for me. What is the best speed test app?

I've thought about flashing the uckd5 modem just to see if going back makes a difference.

Truckerglenn said:
I've thought about flashing the uckd5 modem just to see if going back makes a difference.
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D5 isn't going to give you better speeds just by virtue of it being the stock modem that came with the phone...
E3 is supposed to be an improvement on D5... same with G3, but that's it's own special case, since it is the Rogers modem. and H1 is supposed to be an improvement over E3.
i have noticed that they are all very similar when it comes down to it. i get the same speeds with each of them, signal is the same within 10 dbm, and call reception is not different enough among them to notice.
too many variables at play (atmosphere, tower usage, time of day, etc.) to really make a fair determination that one of them is much better than the other.
but yeah, i guess my point is that you won't see better speeds just because you are switching to the modem that the infuse came with, and is "supposed" to be using.

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D5 isn't going to give you better speeds just by virtue of it being the stock modem that came with the phone...
E3 is supposed to be an improvement on D5... same with G3, but that's it's own special case, since it is the Rogers modem. and H1 is supposed to be an improvement over E3.
i have noticed that they are all very similar when it comes down to it. i get the same speeds with each of them, signal is the same within 10 dbm, and call reception is not different enough among them to notice.
too many variables at play (atmosphere, tower usage, time of day, etc.) to really make a fair determination that one of them is much better than the other.
but yeah, i guess my point is that you won't see better speeds just because you are switching to the modem that the infuse came with, and is "supposed" to be using.
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I could get 6mb download with stock infuse rom, now on infused 2.1 or serenity 7, I can't over 4, think it's just coincidence? I really don't know that much about the modems and their software, I'm a noob at this stuff.
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steadly2004 said:
I could get 6mb download with stock infuse rom, now on infused 2.1 or serenity 7, I can't over 4, think it's just coincidence? I really don't know that much about the modems and their software, I'm a noob at this stuff.
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Those are Rogers GB based ROM's, which are known to have HSPA+ problems.

steadly2004 said:
I could get 6mb download with stock infuse rom, now on infused 2.1 or serenity 7, I can't over 4, think it's just coincidence? I really don't know that much about the modems and their software, I'm a noob at this stuff.
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not a coincidence at all. that's how it should be. if you are truly supposed to be getting 4g speeds in your area, you probably won't see those speeds on a GB based ROM until we no longer have to use Rogers GB as the base for those ROMS.
once the infuse gets the GB update, and the ROMS are based on that update, speeds should be what they are supposed to be.
but your issue is the ROM you are on - not the modem you are using.

My thought.
I am running infused v2.1 with the kd5 modem. I see that the longer i stick with one modem, speeds start increasing. This happens a lot faster with the original modem. Does any one else notice this?

Ryanscool said:
I am running infused v2.1 with the kd5 modem. I see that the longer i stick with one modem, speeds start increasing. This happens a lot faster with the original modem. Does any one else notice this?
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now THAT actually is a coincidence, haha.

is this unlockable for Tmobile **urgent**

My brother is about to buy this phone from one of his buddies for a cheap amount, is this phone unlockable for TMOBILE? I already have a Samsung Vibrant T959 (tmo version of SGS)

You mean the captivate? Yes, but you won't get 3g, just edge.
Check power button and rear speaker function. They arebig problems for some Captivates.

Not to be snob, but a quick search on "unlock captivate" would give you the required results.
And to make long answer short, yes but you need to be rooted. The app by Helroz works like a charm.

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You mean the captivate? Yes, but you won't get 3g, just edge.
Check power button and rear speaker function. They arebig problems for some Captivates.
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Yes, thats fine, thanks for the heads up man.
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Not to be snob, but a quick search on "unlock captivate" would give you the required results.
And to make long answer short, yes but you need to be rooted. The app by Helroz works like a charm.
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Sorry. I actually did do a search on the captivate forums of "unlock tmobile" and then i went on google to try to search but most of the links didn't work, some said it costs like 35$ and I found one youtube video which helps.
I just wanted a confirmation, thank you both.
Just making sure, One click root or Super One click root also works for captivate? (i'm going to go read the stickies now , I'm not a noob trust me i'm on ICS on my Vibrant hah, just a new device, so i thought maybe the instructions etc were different?)
thanks again guys.

Super one click, yes. Sgs Unlock by Helroz, yes. And don't lose the file that is created by the unlock app. It has the info you will need to lock the phone ,if you ever have a need to.
Don't forget the thanks button

been using it on Tmo for quite some time. It works flawlessly but as someone said already, it is just Edge. No 3g. That and no official updates. With the ROMs available here, who needs official update anyways? The rooting would void your warranty

Sorry to revive this thread, but Im going to I-Wireless (T-Mobile affiliate) from Sprint, and me and my wife just bought a pair of Captives off of XDA here. Do you think I will notice a big difference in speed going from Sprint's 3G service to T-Mobiles Edge? Sprint 3G is kind of spotty here anyhow, so Im mostly on 1G whenever in a building or house. Is Edge comparable to Sprint's 1G service, or better? Im hoping its better, as the Sprint 1G service is very slow!

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Sorry to revive this thread, but Im going to I-Wireless (T-Mobile affiliate) from Sprint, and me and my wife just bought a pair of Captives off of XDA here. Do you think I will notice a big difference in speed going from Sprint's 3G service to T-Mobiles Edge? Sprint 3G is kind of spotty here anyhow, so Im mostly on 1G whenever in a building or house. Is Edge comparable to Sprint's 1G service, or better? Im hoping its better, as the Sprint 1G service is very slow!
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There's probably about the same, anyway you look at edge network is unbearably slow lol
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Edge is 2g...so theoretically it should be about twice as fast as 1g.

I just switched my Captivate to Edge and it's about as fast as my Sprint 3g was during the day.