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Athena's VueFLO

Is it possible to bring the VueFLO technology from the HTC Athena to the Wizard? See video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fuQLEWbDoM
I'm guessing that the Athena has a gyro-sensor in it that enables this and not some software that can be ported to this.

I watched the video but I wasnt too sure what VueFLO is. I'm guessing that it would be difficult if not impossible to port VueFLO due to hardware dependencies.

i doubt thats possible sense it looks like the Athena has a motion sensor or something that allows it to detect wen the fone is tilted which then allows for it to scroll like that. sadly i doubt our wizards will be able to do this

Not possible.. HTC Athena has an piezo accelorometer in it a.l.a iphone..

That seems kind of lame. Why would i want to flip my screen up and down to scroll. Just doesnt seem to practical to me.

deviusdragger said:
That seems kind of lame. Why would i want to flip my screen up and down to scroll. Just doesnt seem to practical to me.
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my thoughts exactly...

deviusdragger said:
That seems kind of lame. Why would i want to flip my screen up and down to scroll. Just doesnt seem to practical to me.
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I definitely agree.

you bet... they would've thought to do something like the iphone and would've realized the apple would sue their hinds on this and decided to do something lame

I just wanted to know if it was possible to bring this to the Wizard. Personally, I'd just use my stylus or if bored, use Touch Scroll.
Thanks anyways

[Q] Is the screen really that bad?

I want to get the G-Tablet. It's a powerful device and it seems that VEGAn-TAB, TnT Lite, Cyanogenmod, and zPad are gonna support this thing for a LONG time. The only thing I'm concerned about is the screen. Is it really as horrible as everyone says it is?
Some people say it's no big deal, and some people say it makes their eyes hurt. I don't care about viewing angles; I'm sure I won't be laying it on a flat tabletop trying to use it. But the supposed screen issues are making me want to wait to see what MSI, Moto, and Asus reveal at CES. It seems like all those tablets will be awesome, but will they be as hackable as the G-Tablet? The G-Tablet is like a Nexus Tab.
Are there any pics that will give me an idea of how the screen looks? Are there demos set up at Office Depot?

I wouldn't expect anything from Moto to be easily hackable as their current lineup suggests. The viewing angles in portrait are nothing to right home about but they are not that bad in landscape. I got my latest one at Office Depot and they had one display. I'm sure there will be better things coming but due to the great devs here this should be a great device until something very much better comes along. Roebeet posted some pics of the viewing angles but I couldn't find them easily

The viewing angles are bad, but other than that the screen is fine. From straight on (especially in landscape) it's a pretty nice image. If you aren't worried about the viewing angles, then there's nothing to worry about the screen

What about using it flat on the table? Lets say normal viewing/using when its laying flat on the table.. I am not concerned with others being able to see it.. just when I am using it on a table flat I want to to be viewable with at least 80% of the quality..
Also.. what about portrait.. does it give that "3D" effect with one eye having a different contrast than the other?
If any of you have a netbook.. take the netbook and stand it portrait and look directly at the screen.. You will know what I mean..
jam40jeff said:
The viewing angles are bad, but other than that the screen is fine. From straight on (especially in landscape) it's a pretty nice image. If you aren't worried about the viewing angles, then there's nothing to worry about the screen
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Find a store that has one on display. Staples used to and I think office depot still does.

Office depot has them on display. The last time i was there to buy a case i updated their display model to the newest viewsonic rom.

If you can't find one in the store, you can use any standard netbook screen as a good example - turn it back and forth and you'll see the solarization effect.
The screen is the #1 hardware issue I have with the device, which is ironic given that this was released by Viewsonic. As time has progressed, it's become an actual annoyance to me, so much so that it could (in all seriousness) be the main reason why I eventually sell mine. Portrait mode actually hurts my eyes after a short time, and trying to watch movies while the screen is layed back 45 degrees is completely useless.
I keep hoping that we can get a better LCD solution, as i would do that if it were possible.

stanglx said:
What about using it flat on the table? Lets say normal viewing/using when its laying flat on the table.. I am not concerned with others being able to see it.. just when I am using it on a table flat I want to to be viewable with at least 80% of the quality..
Also.. what about portrait.. does it give that "3D" effect with one eye having a different contrast than the other?
If any of you have a netbook.. take the netbook and stand it portrait and look directly at the screen.. You will know what I mean..
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If it's lying flat on a table 6" to a foot in front of you and you are sitting "properly" (back against backrest) the image is borderline unusable. you have to hunch over it to get the straight on view.
In portrait, you are correct, it very much has the "3D" effect. I can't really use it that way without getting annoyed/headache.
Needless to say the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm going to play with this tablet for a week or so and return it and wait for the good stuff to come that gets announced at CES. With that said i fully expect to have to pay at a minimum one hundred more than for this tablet. This tablet is really a steal at 400 if you can live with the screen.

Appreciate the honesty... It sounds like it would be a deal breaker for me... Last night I was playing around with all the android phones at the new years party and then the ipads that were laying around and have to say.. that screen is just amazing... but love the openness of the Android platform..
The net net is... the Apple OS is nothing to dismiss and the screen is the cherry on top...
If these vendors dont put in what is needed into the screen, coupled with I would say a very immature platform it will take at least 2 generations before it catches mass acceptance...
Lets see what this week has in store at CES..
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If you can't find one in the store, you can use any standard netbook screen as a good example - turn it back and forth and you'll see the solarization effect.
The screen is the #1 hardware issue I have with the device, which is ironic given that this was released by Viewsonic. As time has progressed, it's become an actual annoyance to me, so much so that it could (in all seriousness) be the main reason why I eventually sell mine. Portrait mode actually hurts my eyes after a short time, and trying to watch movies while the screen is layed back 45 degrees is completely useless.
I keep hoping that we can get a better LCD solution, as i would do that if it were possible.
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Thanks for all the replies. I was going to wait for CES anyway, but now I'm thinking I'll wait for MSI's WindPad 110 regardless. The internal hardware is probably very similar and the device will probably be more polished and more supported. Hopefully in the future we'll see VEGAn-TAB or zPad on it

I am one of those owners who wanted to love the G Tablet. I had stars in my eyes when I snapped it up at my local Office Depot.
The screen absolutely killed it for me though.
I am a long time tablet user (mostly on Nokia Tablets). I love the form factor. Just waiting for someone to do it right. From what I can gather thus far, G Tablet is that device who can live with the screen, Nook Color is the device for those who don't mind a lack of buttons, and Galaxy Tab is for those who don't mind paying through the nose to not give in to Apple.

I still love mine, regardless of the screen. I knew about the viewing angles going in and checked it out at OfficeDepot before buying (they had a live one on display). In landscape you can easily get a good viewing angle while holding it, it's not so bad that you have to constantly hunt for the right angle. In portrait it's not so great, my use case for the tablet is 90% hand held and in landscape so I'm alright with this. On a table you would definitely want to prop it up at an angle, if you can do that it would be fine but laying flat is a no go unless you want to slouch way over the tablet.

I have a Nexus One, so I know what a good screen looks like. Honestly, the gtab doesn't bother me. I hold it pretty much straight on, or flip it upside down sometimes when browsing, and it's just not a big deal to me. Sometimes when it's on my lap I'll put a remote control under the top of the screen to prop it just a touch.
I'd also add that just because new tabs get announced at CES doesn't mean they'll be available next week. I bet most won't come out until March, with Honeycomb. I'm quite happy to have the gtab to play with until then.

I hope you guys won't mind me barging in here to ask a quick question. It is about the screen (okay, sort of).
Lets say I wanted to use my GTablet on a table, is there any good stands to put it on so that I can use it and not have to hunch over as I usually do (it hurts my back sometimes not to mention just plain awkward)?
I just thought there might be a particular kind or model that is the best that the GTablet would stay on securely. If not, I'll just locate some general-type stand and use that.

The screen is why I returned my unit. I don't expect too much from MSI, their netbooks also had horrible screens. Also, do not expect anything in 10.1 to be iPad similar. All the 10.1" screens are TN ****.

Folks,
I have a question -- what is all the big deal about tables?
If I want to work on a table, I use my netbook or my laptop or even go to the computer room and use my desktop.
I use my tablet sitting in a chair holding it or letting it rest in my lap. Or sometimes I set it on a picture holder on the desktop while I access my desktop. Or I lay on the bed with it sitting on my belly or chest (HO! HO! HO!) Or in the car my wife holds it while she plays games. IMHO, tablets are designed to be used portably and that means getting it in front of you in your hands or on an appropriate holder.
Yes, my view angles are not shiny either. But I don't use it in ways that make that a factor. I have adapted to maximize it. As someone said, looking at the screen what I call normally it puts out a great picture.
Rev
P. S. -- Not trying to start a flame war. I just think some people are expecting too much of a reasonable-priced just-introduced product. Nothing -- not even (especially) the fruity products -- is perfect. IMHO.

butchconner said:
Folks,
I have a question -- what is all the big deal about tables?
If I want to work on a table, I use my netbook or my laptop or even go to the computer room and use my desktop.
I use my tablet sitting in a chair holding it or letting it rest in my lap. Or sometimes I set it on a picture holder on the desktop while I access my desktop. Or I lay on the bed with it sitting on my belly or chest (HO! HO! HO!) Or in the car my wife holds it while she plays games. IMHO, tablets are designed to be used portably and that means getting it in front of you in your hands or on an appropriate holder.
Yes, my view angles are not shiny either. But I don't use it in ways that make that a factor. I have adapted to maximize it. As someone said, looking at the screen what I call normally it puts out a great picture.
Rev
P. S. -- Not trying to start a flame war. I just think some people are expecting too much of a reasonable-priced just-introduced product. Nothing -- not even (especially) the fruity products -- is perfect. IMHO.
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If this is cause I came in here asking about that (instead of making a new topic or just keeping that to myself), then I'm sorry.
It almost seems like that post was directed at me (not saying that in a mean way, more of 'aww *sad face* way).
I was the one who came in here in this topic asking about that specifically. Never mind about that, then.

XANAVirus said:
I hope you guys won't mind me barging in here to ask a quick question. It is about the screen (okay, sort of).
Lets say I wanted to use my GTablet on a table, is there any good stands to put it on so that I can use it and not have to hunch over as I usually do (it hurts my back sometimes not to mention just plain awkward)?
I just thought there might be a particular kind or model that is the best that the GTablet would stay on securely. If not, I'll just locate some general-type stand and use that.
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This has been discussed in the accessories portion of the forums, but what i use that works great is a nice little china plate stand thingy that my wife had bought for some china she wanted to put in the china closet, looks like a wire hanger type thing cost her 2 bucks and works amazing for the tablet on the table so i dont need to "hunch over". im sure you can get it at any store like staples or something like that, dont know exactly where she got it from.
hope this helps.

Some people say that the sceen is defective becase of the poor viewing angle. That is wrong. The screen is not defective. It is just a lower priced screen which in the end translates in a lower price for the tablet. A better screen would increase the price.

Fuzzy John said:
Some people say that the sceen is defective becase of the poor viewing angle. That is wrong. The screen is not defective. It is just a lower priced screen which in the end translates in a lower price for the tablet. A better screen would increase the price.
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or them just putting the screen on the right way and not upside down like it seems they did since turning it upside down works perfectly.

So, honestly, HOW bad is the screen?

I ordered mine last night, and keep reading all these horror stories about the screen. I sold my NookColor last month im afraid im going to be disappointed now

It could be better, but it's not a deal breaker, IMO.
It takes some getting used to (i.e. holding it upside down helps a lot as it's much brighter), but I love mine. I've had my G Tablet since January and haven't regretted it.
Obviously it's not an iPad, but it's still an excellent device.
To some, having an inferior screen is a deal breaker. That is a personal preference, as for me it's not that big of a deal.

So bad they sell theese things for less than half the zoom. Gimme yours ill take it

dmm5157 said:
It could be better, but it's not a deal breaker, IMO.
It takes some getting used to (i.e. holding it upside down helps a lot as it's much brighter), but I love mine. I've had my G Tablet since January and haven't regretted it.
Obviously it's not an iPad, but it's still an excellent device.
To some, having an inferior screen is a deal breaker. That is a personal preference, as for me it's not that big of a deal.
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I read that some earlier ones had the screens installed upside down, maybe yours?

Check out this thread for more opinions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001098&highlight=bad+screen
Mine is there too.
Hope that helps

The horror stories are usually from people who bought the gtab at full retail price and was expecting an ipad like display. The gtabs display is equal to the ipad at a straight on view. At other angles that's where the difference lies. I have a nook too. The only advantage the nook has are better viewing angles. If you bought the gtab for under $300, the viewing angles can be forgiven because I don't think you'll find too many android tablets with these specs and a better display. Like I said, all you woot buyers are lucky mofos. Be happy with your purchase cuz you got a great deal especially if this is your first venture in the tablet world.

DroidHam said:
I read that some earlier ones had the screens installed upside down, maybe yours?
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that's interesting, because a lot of apps for me that won't rotate to landscape, I have the soft buttons up top, which is fine, but the accelerometer is backwards. For example, Doodle Jump was the freebie from Amazon today, and I have to tilt opposite of what I should have to...
Running Vegan 5.1b .. anyone else have this issue?

My question is, How can a company that makes monitors, screw up the screen on a tablet? I get the software sucking out of the box, but if anything should be good it should be the screen.

Not crisp or responsive as an Ipad screen but not bad at all. obviously when I looked at my iphone 4 retina display I just whisper and smile lol

The screen isn't bad at all . Is pretty much the same as my laptop and netbook.

gbmitchell said:
My question is, How can a company that makes monitors, screw up the screen on a tablet? I get the software sucking out of the box, but if anything should be good it should be the screen.
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Because they didn't build the actual device. Plus not many companies including viewsonic actually manufacture their own LCDs.

Its bad. I have posting on SD warning people about the screen. It is not a deal breaker but alot of people who brought it has returned it. One thing for sure you cant hold it in potrait mode without tilting it a bit because the color will wash away.

found a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLpjdLeQ9LQ

TheKaz said:
that's interesting, because a lot of apps for me that won't rotate to landscape, I have the soft buttons up top, which is fine, but the accelerometer is backwards. For example, Doodle Jump was the freebie from Amazon today, and I have to tilt opposite of what I should have to...
Running Vegan 5.1b .. anyone else have this issue?
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Running TNT Lite 4.2.5 and Doodle Jump that I DL'ed today also from Amazon behaves the same way....opposite tilt.

TheKaz said:
that's interesting, because a lot of apps for me that won't rotate to landscape, I have the soft buttons up top, which is fine, but the accelerometer is backwards. For example, Doodle Jump was the freebie from Amazon today, and I have to tilt opposite of what I should have to...
Running Vegan 5.1b .. anyone else have this issue?
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It is poor coding in doodle jump. Try "Abduction" for a very similar game with proper tilt.

it is literally the worst screen i have ever seen. completely unworkable!!!!!

It's not that bad, I can count the number of times the screen has been a problem on one hand.
I use my G-Tab in landscape only mode though, the screen is worse is you try use it portrait mode. Hope that helps.

If you hold it the right way, it's fine. Not the best, but it works just fine.

spike378 said:
Its bad. I have posting on SD warning people about the screen. It is not a deal breaker but alot of people who brought it has returned it. One thing for sure you cant hold it in potrait mode without tilting it a bit because the color will wash away.
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it is literally the worst screen i have ever seen. completely unworkable!!!!!
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Really? Have you guys ever seen a tablet screen besides the ipad? I have been working with tablet pc's for almost 10 years so I have watched the progression. Yes ipad is better, but to say the screen on the Gtab is total rubbish is to discount all the other true garbage displays from the last decade. It would be considered top of the line for a tablet a year ago. Yes apple set a bar and I to wish that my tab had a sweet LG screen but I am also glad Im not stuck in iOS or pay 200 more for my tab.
Realistically its a decent screen.
Damn tired of people crapping on stuff just because they feel the need to take a dump.

If you don't like the screen, return the device. Enough said.
Jesus christ, this screen is better than most tablet/laptop screens out there. If you want a better screen and have money coming out of your ears, go right ahead and go for the xoom or ipad. No one will stop you.

[Q] Previous Nexus One users

I've had the N1 for a long time now. My biggest complaint that I can't deal with anymore is the touch screen. I've been eyeing the Sensation for awhile now. For those of you that upgraded from the N1 did you regret it? What are you're thoughts on the Sensation compared to the N1. Other than the obvious unlocked boot loader.
I've heard there are touch screen issues are these as severe as the N1's?

The nexus one had touchscreen issues?

If you used to fingers and crossed axis it would get confused left to right making it almost impossible to play games using virtual controllers. Intermittantly they will wig out and lose touch screen calibration. You would touch one part and it would read it almost a half inch off. Only work around for the calibration is to lock the screen than unlock it. This is what's driving me nuts.

serialtoon said:
The nexus one had touchscreen issues?
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lawl.
Anyway, I came from a nexus one and I haven't had any touchscreen issues with my sensation. Personally im very happy with the phone so far. The only complaint I have so far is I really miss my trackball notifications, and of course the locked bootloader (but in time the second will change). Other then those, I cant really think of anything else.

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If you used to fingers and crossed axis it would get confused left to right making it almost impossible to play games using virtual controllers. Intermittantly they will wig out and lose touch screen calibration. You would touch one part and it would read it almost a half inch off. Only work around for the calibration is to lock the screen than unlock it. This is what's driving me nuts.
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yeah, the sensation has proper multitouch too, no more cross axis issues.

I had the awesome nexus one with very few issues and I haven't had any touchscreen issues with my Sensation! Just some lag in Sense...

I have since given my cherished n1 to my wife. She just wants my games lol....
Yes the touchscreen works finally but besides that I would wait until the bootloader is unlocked. I jumped in because of the 148 price at wally mart. Compared to what I had initially paid for the N1, I think upgrading to this baby is worth it for the price.
Do I miss my N1? Sure do, like the others said, trackball alert was a big thing for me. I miss looking across the room to see if I had missed a call or not from my charger. Also miss the weekly MIUI updates. Since the sensation, I haven't updated miui and I heard the lockscreen has been changed a bit from the normal ones. Makes me want to grab the n1 and start flashing the sucker....maybe just out of withdrawal lol....
The positives is that the phone looks and sounds great. Besides the low speaker volume in speakerphone mode and some other issues like the gallery and video quirks some users have come across. Do not get me wrong, I do NOT regret this phone at all. I just wish the s-off comes already lol.

Can the transformer be plugged into the dock either way?

Just wondering if the transformer could be plugged into the dock either way? As in can you also plug into the dock so that the screen is facing you while the keyboard is behind the screen. I would assume that you cannot but it would be nice if you could dock it both ways so that if you just want a stand and don't need the keyboard you could do it that way.
Man I hope the transformer prime does get released on the 9th and has sufficient stock! I was eagerly awaiting the original but after the crazyness trying to get one I just ended up getting a BBQ instead!

um.. no? you can use the dock as a stand the normal way as well.. just don't use the keyboard I do this quite often when watching videos. Well, I mean, I guess you could do it the other way if you wanted to break the pin connector? But assuming that you don't want to do that, no you can not do that.
Have fun with the Prime! I'll be watching it to see how the developers do with it.. won't be picking one up though.

No need to assume anything. Try to insert the charging cable into the port the "other way" and see if it will fit.

Thanks for the reply. Yah I figured the connection would only work one way.
Really its not a big deal but it would be nice so you could have the screen right at the edge of the table you are putting it on. Really no biggie but was just wondering.
I don't blame you for not making the upgrade. If I had the original I doubt I would pull the trigger on the Prime either.

BongoBong said:
Thanks for the reply. Yah I figured the connection would only work one way.
Really its not a big deal but it would be nice so you could have the screen right at the edge of the table you are putting it on. Really no biggie but was just wondering.
I don't blame you for not making the upgrade. If I had the original I doubt I would pull the trigger on the Prime either.
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Yea that would be a good design if they had done that, I guess we need a separate case / stand for using it as a tablet for long periods without the dock
You should email ASUS with your idea

BongoBong said:
Thanks for the reply. Yah I figured the connection would only work one way.
Really its not a big deal but it would be nice so you could have the screen right at the edge of the table you are putting it on. Really no biggie but was just wondering.
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Haha, I was gonna suggest getting an ipad2. While you still can't put in the connection backward with the ipad2, at least you know the best tablet on the market, the one that everyone wants, can't do this and so it's forgivable.
My experience in this is that people tend to complain about everything in a less popular tablet while turn a blind eye on ipad2 weaknesses. Take light bleeds, for example. People have been crying bloody murder about TF light bleeds since day one. Most ipad2 users don't even care about their ipad2 light bleeds. And let me tell you, all devices with ips display have light bleeds.
Actually, let me suggest it now. If you want to be able to insert the connection in backwards, buy an ipad2.

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Haha, I was gonna suggest getting an ipad2. While you still can't put in the connection backward with the ipad2, at least you know the best tablet on the market, the one that everyone wants, can't do this and so it's forgivable.
My experience in this is that people tend to complain about everything in a less popular tablet while turn a blind eye on ipad2 weaknesses. Take light bleeds, for example. People have been crying bloody murder about TF light bleeds since day one. Most ipad2 users don't even care about their ipad2 light bleeds. And let me tell you, all devices with ips display have light bleeds.
Actually, let me suggest it now. If you want to be able to insert the connection in backwards, buy an ipad2.
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eh? I was curious if the transformer had this functionality as I think it would be a nice additional function for the dock, nothing more.
No need to get worked up over a simple question!

BongoBong said:
eh? I was curious if the transformer had this functionality as I think it would be a nice additional function for the dock, nothing more.
No need to get worked up over a simple question!
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And I'm telling you, ipad 2 has this functionality. Just jam it in there LOL