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SNS: half-assed digitizer?

Hey guys!
Not sure if anyone (although I hope so) has noticed this - but I kinda feel that the Nexus S digitizer (touch-sensitive layer between lcd and glass, built into SAMOLED screens) is a bit.. unresponsive at times..
I'm comparing to a HTC Desire HD - which, with CM7, is alot more responsive IMHO!
Hoping to hear your opinions on this
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It seems fine for me though. Not sure why you are experiencing unresponsiveness. What kernel are you using?

If anything, it's TOO sensitive. You can actually register a press without touching the phone. Try it, move your finger ever so slowly towards a button, but make sure not to touch it. Eventually, when you're a couple millimeters away, it'll register a touch, even though no contact has been made.

i think he is describing the FREEZE problem some people are experiencing
by default SAMOLED display are SUPER sensitive, you do not even need to touch the screen, it's enough to just fly-by over the screen surface and you can activate something
it's actually too good for some people which wants to make them less sensible

Vandam500 said:
It seems fine for me though. Not sure why you are experiencing unresponsiveness. What kernel are you using?
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I'm running stock GRI54 right now
AllGamer said:
i think he is describing the FREEZE problem some people are experiencing
by default SAMOLED display are SUPER sensitive, you do not even need to touch the screen, it's enough to just fly-by over the screen surface and you can activate something
it's actually too good for some people which wants to make them less sensible
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Well, I might just've phrased my question the wrong way. I have the i9023 (SCLCD) version of the Nexus S - my girlfriend has an Xperia X10i and with that phone you can feel that the digitizer isn't keeping up with your finger.
I've used both an iPhone 4 and HTC Desire HD - both seem to 'track' my finger better on-screen.. Am I the only one? Damn, I was hoping that I wouldn't have to go see my doc

Thinking of getting the Sensation.

Was wondering if it was worth upgrading from a g2? What do you guys think about it? Let me have some pros and cons before I dish out my booze money I had saved lol.
[G2/HTC Vision]

no. just wait for the next one. the build quaility of sensation is really low.

henrik.dk said:
no. just wait for the next one. the build quaility of sensation is really low.
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agreed ,and henrik.dk was being nice because he could of said worse

henrik.dk said:
no. just wait for the next one. the build quaility of sensation is really low.
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dont get any worse than the build quality of the g2 ....get one

tigerz0202 said:
dont get any worse than the build quality of the g2 ....get one
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you also right thats why he should wait dont make sense to to dush out more money for another low build quality phone

Can you elaborate on poor build quality?
I bought yesterday and now you have me seriously worried.

phonegod said:
you also right thats why he should wait dont make sense to to dush out more money for another low build quality phone
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well i like mine ,ive got no probs with the build quality , i get a new phone every year so i only wait a year, my hd2 was the only phone i kept over a year, so its whatever your means are to keep up with the technology

mcpothead said:
Can you elaborate on poor build quality?
I bought yesterday and now you have me seriously worried.
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just read the forum post on sensation general,sensation Q&A theres alot of things that go on with the phone i for one like it not had some of the problems people have but this is my third sensation so ive had my bit of problems but on my third sensation everthing is good

phonegod said:
just read the forum post on sensation general,sensation Q&A theres alot of things that go on with the phone i for one like it not had some of the problems people have but this is my third sensation so ive had my bit of problems but on my third sensation everthing is good
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Thanks mate yea I saw the issues there they seem to be with certain handsets only.
I was just worried as the guy above made it sound like there was problem with all the handsets build quality

mcpothead said:
Thanks mate yea I saw the issues there they seem to be with certain handsets only.
I was just worried as the guy above made it sound like there was problem with all the handsets build quality
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sure no problem you will be ok just handle the phone with care the back piece is fragile very, try not to drop the back cover or you will loose your volume rocker or the power button and remember to slide it in and out the back cover head first thats what he meant about build quality i think

phonegod said:
sure no problem you will be ok just handle the phone with care the back piece is fragile very, try not to drop the back cover or you will loose your volume rocker or the power button and remember to slide it in and out the back cover head first thats what he meant about build quality i think
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Thanks again will take extra care when putting the battery in. Then the case and screen protector are going straight on

THIS IS THE WORST, MOST SHODDILY CONSTRUCTED PHONE THAT COULD EVER EXIST (Not)
The "build quality" of the phone is fine. There are a few problems associated with being early adopters, that a small fraction of people on XDA have. As far as I know, everyone with major issues had them resolved by returning their phone, in store and getting it replaced on the spot.
There are different displays one bye AUO and one made by Sharp, if you're having trouble and prefer either display you can go in-store and exchange it, after telling them the issues you're having with your phone.
Furthermore many of the so called "issues" with build quality are BS manufactured by XDA-ers. Like:
"If I turn of my screen and hold it at a 45 degree angle while shining a flashlight at it I can see a spec of dust under the screen, I'm really really worried ='("
or my personal favorite:
"When I press down on the buttons on the bottom of my screen I hear a slight creaking sound WTF HTC!?!?"
My personal second favorite is THE LAGGY SENSE ISSUE, which essentially goes like this :
"I saw a video on youtube and the HTC EVO 3D runs the HTC Sense homescreen carousel milliseconds faster and smoother than the HTC Sensation, WTF HTC !!! IS THIS WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR!?!?!?"
- I would like to note that this issue only came into existence after said video made its way to the forums and someone decided that it was an "issue" that a slightly newer phone, with slightly better hardware and a slightly more optimized ROM, ran sense 3.0 slightly better than our phones do at the moment.
- They aren't buttons... this is a touch screen phone and just because they look like buttons doesn't mean that they should be pressed like buttons.
- Wifi-Signal attenuation while holding the phone, in landscape, a particular way IS real, but only if you are far away from your router. ALL phones experience signal attenuation when all or parts of the radios are covered, our phones do not lost Cellular data signal when held in landscape as has been erroneously reported in some places.
Now I will tell you about my experiences with the phone. Both cameras perform poorly in low light conditions and other than that it's a beast of a phone. Absolutely phenomenal.Strangely enough, I don't hear many people talking about this, actual issue where the phone is not performing as one might realistically expect it to perform.
I got my device on launch day and haven't had one "issue" yet. I have seen and others have noted that some dust can get inside of the phone's case, near the headphone jack. I would consider this another NON-issue as it has not been shown to cause any issues. Furthermore dust frequently gets inside of electronics, that's why the good lord above invented compressed air. Some XDA-ers inhale it then try to find issues with their devices, I will use it to clean my phone in a few months, the same way that I do to my desktop PC or the way my little brother does to his gaming consoles.
It's a terrible phone if you only use it at 45 degree angles, in the dark, while shining a flashlight on it, with the display turned off as you press extra hard on the touchscreen (because YOU believe they are buttons to be pressed and not a screen to be touched), using your phone a mile away from your home router, in landscape while completely covering the top of the phone and watching videos of HTC EVO 3D's performing slightly better and getting jealous.
If you use your phone like a normal end-user or even a power user and NOT a beta tester in a laboratory setting then the phone is amazing.
I rest my case.

Thanks for the info guys. Much appreciated.
[G2/HTC Vision]

That was pretty good statement. +1
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk

BonesRed speaks the truth

Thanks for the info don't feel so nervous now

Thanks
BonesRed said:
The "build quality" of the phone is fine. There are a few problems associated with being early adopters, that a small fraction of people on XDA have. As far as I know, everyone with major issues had them resolved by returning their phone, in store and getting it replaced on the spot.
There are different displays one bye AUO and one made by Sharp, if you're having trouble and prefer either display you can go in-store and exchange it, after telling them the issues you're having with your phone.
Furthermore many of the so called "issues" with build quality are BS manufactured by XDA-ers. Like:
"If I turn of my screen and hold it at a 45 degree angle while shining a flashlight at it I can see a spec of dust under the screen, I'm really really worried ='("
or my personal favorite:
"When I press down on the buttons on the bottom of my screen I hear a slight creaking sound WTF HTC!?!?"
My personal second favorite is THE LAGGY SENSE ISSUE, which essentially goes like this :
"I saw a video on youtube and the HTC EVO 3D runs the HTC Sense homescreen carousel milliseconds faster and smoother than the HTC Sensation, WTF HTC !!! IS THIS WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR!?!?!?"
- I would like to note that this issue only came into existence after said video made its way to the forums and someone decided that it was an "issue" that a slightly newer phone, with slightly better hardware and a slightly more optimized ROM, ran sense 3.0 slightly better than our phones do at the moment.
- They aren't buttons... this is a touch screen phone and just because they look like buttons doesn't mean that they should be pressed like buttons.
- Wifi-Signal attenuation while holding the phone, in landscape, a particular way IS real, but only if you are far away from your router. ALL phones experience signal attenuation when all or parts of the radios are covered, our phones do not lost Cellular data signal when held in landscape as has been erroneously reported in some places.
Now I will tell you about my experiences with the phone. Both cameras perform poorly in low light conditions and other than that it's a beast of a phone. Absolutely phenomenal.Strangely enough, I don't hear many people talking about this, actual issue where the phone is not performing as one might realistically expect it to perform.
I got my device on launch day and haven't had one "issue" yet. I have seen and others have noted that some dust can get inside of the phone's case, near the headphone jack. I would consider this another NON-issue as it has not been shown to cause any issues. Furthermore dust frequently gets inside of electronics, that's why the good lord above invented compressed air. Some XDA-ers inhale it then try to find issues with their devices, I will use it to clean my phone in a few months, the same way that I do to my desktop PC or the way my little brother does to his gaming consoles.
It's a terrible phone if you only use it at 45 degree angles, in the dark, while shining a flashlight on it, with the display turned off as you press extra hard on the touchscreen (because YOU believe they are buttons to be pressed and not a screen to be touched), using your phone a mile away from your home router, in landscape while completely covering the top of the phone and watching videos of HTC EVO 3D's performing slightly better and getting jealous.
If you use your phone like a normal end-user or even a power user and NOT a beta tester in a laboratory setting then the phone is amazing.
I rest my case.
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thanks man

luis86dr said:
Was wondering if it was worth upgrading from a g2? What do you guys think about it? Let me have some pros and cons before I dish out my booze money I had saved lol.
[G2/HTC Vision]
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You should look into getting the mytouch 4g slide it comes out July 27th it has pretty much the same specs but you won't have to give up your physical keyboard and it can handle T-Mobile HSPA+
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I am not sure what these guys are referring to as having questionable build quality. If anything that would apply to the G2 and that was my last phone...well, right before the G2x horror.
You should be quite happy with the Sensation, if you have nothing against HTC Sense, as it is a very good device. Very good. I am certain it will be bested in some way by another high end Android phone in a few months, or weeks (there's always something new) but I am flat out thrilled to be using one right now.
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Having had HTC HERO and A HTD HD7 I was more of inclined to go for the SENSATION,
But after hovering around both threads decided for the GAlaxy s2 due to better back camera and front camera(2mp) and also for the fact that it came with bootloader unlocked
ANd I guess that was the best decision I made cause of one more reason being....
You can flash the latest firmwares on samsung Devices with ODIN without the NEED TO ROOT which I think is really cool.
I am already on a leaked version of 2.3.4 running beautifully with gtalk video working really great and have not even rooted my phone yet
Just my thoughts.........

[Q] Any true hardware issues?

Hi, im going to the USA this week and i want to buy an htc sensation, the thing is im looking for any mayor hardware issues on the phone, i dont care for the low volume or the short battery life (its a smartphone....we rly need to get used to the 8 hour baterry life =P ).....im talking about things that are big like:
* Phone gettin rly hot and making it reboot a lot (happened with my htc desire)
* this rumor about the sensation having some emc issues with the camera
I know theres a lot of threads about the phone issues but what i found out were people complaining on batery life or some apps not working or mostly software issues...... like i said im trying to look for real hardware issues like the death handgrip on the iphone4, i dont want to pay for a 600$ phone that 40% of the first batch production have defective hardware.....i cant go back and get it replaced after i buy it, thats what i get for living in a 3° world country so please dont tell me to move to a civilised country because i cant

My sensation gets really really hot on the bottom of the screen where you type when in the portrait position. I exchanged the phone for another and the second one does the same thing, I can honestly feel the tips of my fingers get hot when I type(really hot). Death grip is very real, same with both phones. Battery life is ok at best. If i could do it again I would wait and get something else. Just my 2 cents. Also phone lockscreen is a bit buggy, sense restarts regularly..........

Also the bottom of the screen goes unresponsive quite regularly, same with both phones. Not sure if that is hardware or software, just so you know

hmmm, seems like the heat issues repeats itself on several forums, and the weird lack of ecm protection of the camera also.
seems like ill be gettin a samsung galaxy s2
thx for the info

ragancy said:
hmmm, seems like the heat issues repeats itself on several forums, and the weird lack of ecm protection of the camera also.
seems like ill be gettin a samsung galaxy s2
thx for the info
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I would, I think this will be my last HTC phone, they always make a device with cool features and tremendous potential but never quite cuts the mustard. I have hung in there since the tilt and I think I am done lol

I often lurk the threads of the new devices and I appreciate the brutal honesty you have all displayed.. I tend to be a bit of a lurker. I am a Nexus One owner and I COULD upgrade... but it just doesn't seem to cut it. That being said, I'd never own a Samsung device, HTC has been perfect for me since the G1. Guess I will hold out and cross my fingers that HTC manufactures the next Nexus device.

Turn down the brightness, this will probably solve the issue with the phone getting very hot. 2 days ago, mine got VERY hot where the touch buttons are located. I was quite confused about this because it had not happened before. Then I realized I had set the screen brightness to 100% because I couldn't read the screen in bright daylight a couple hours earlier and forgot to turn it back down. Reset to my usual 15-25% and everything was fine again.

I havent had any overheating or hardware issues. Havent had any problem yet. Great phone!!!!!
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G

ok, if the heat issue can be solved by turning down the brightess im in......i mean i dont care if the sense 3.0 got bugs, they will fix that with future updates, what im worried about is this rumor about the camera taking bad pictures because it got emc leakage , seems like it does not have any emc protection for the lens....thx for the replys btw

Here are some issues:
Dust (I don't have it)
Death grip (very real)
Creaking (not such a big issue, but something that shouldn't happen on an expensive phone like this)
Lockscreen (software/hardware. I think it's software)
And some other things
Swyped from my HTC Sensation

Nothing to really complain about for me. I haven't had response issues. Although the death grip phenomenon is real, I've managed to avoid it by not covering the plastic on the top half on the device. Hopefully, HTC can come up with a new cover if enough people complain. There was one instance where, during GPS use, the metal back cover was almost too hot to hold. I believe that was due more to direct sunlight on my dashboard than the phone itself. Love the polished feel of the new Sense UI. If I could do it over, I'd prefer a Droid Bionic, but only by a very small amount. And that's only because of the speed of the hardware and Verizon's data speed/reception quality where I am. If you're looking to stay on TMO, I'd definitely recommend it.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

Anything i need to know?

Hey, I just bought this phone, I can't wait for it to arrive, but i just wanted to ask is there anything i need to know?? Any bad issues with this phone? I am going to root and install a custom rom at some point in the near future (if i get round to it).
I'm so excited at this phone is a huge upgrade for me... my last phone was the LG GT540

No issuses with phone othe than speaker not loud as my old phone which I's due to 2.3 which can be fixed once you flash.a custom rom don't keep it stock flash and enjoy cause there's some.really good roms out there that help battery last longer and make the phone prettier to look at. I like coredroid roms but theres also nice rooms that don't use sense ui which was nice to just youtube stuff.
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Bluetooth sucks. Its a design flaw, don't expect good bt performance with this phone. Other than that its great.

For me, and I've heard from others, there is really only 2 things that bother me.
1.) My phone squeaks when you squeeze the bottom part, no idea why.. it's 100% brand new few days old.
2.) When unlocking by moving the ring up, I usually have to touch and drag it 3 times or so until it finally moves...
Otherwise the phone is awesome! The battery can get very hot while gaming though, you can really feel it, I rooted my phone, and it's overclocked so when I play a game for 10+ mins it gets so hot it almost feels like im touching a metal pole that has been in 100 degree heat for an hour.
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DaClowns said:
1.) My phone squeaks when you squeeze the bottom part, no idea why.. it's 100% brand new few days old.
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Apparently people have reported that you can just contact HTC and have them send another unit casing.

lianw said:
Apparently people have reported that you can just contact HTC and have them send another unit casing.
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It'll always happen as the case is separate from the phone itself. Mine creaks but I really couldn't care less

Mine doesn't creak nearly as much as it used to. So far I have no problems. I did notice the smallest amount of dust particles under the screen but it's literally almost impossible to see. However some people have posted some truly terrible pictures on here showing a crazy amount of dust.
This really is a superb phone.
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jamessinger94 said:
Hey, I just bought this phone, I can't wait for it to arrive, but i just wanted to ask is there anything i need to know?? Any bad issues with this phone? I am going to root and install a custom rom at some point in the near future (if i get round to it).
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First off, this is a good phone. But, unfortunately there is a couple of things wrong with it
I have come in direct contact with 5 different Sensations. Here's my experiences:
1. One of them had dust under the screen - I believe this is not an issue with new Sensations.
2. Two had a lousy power button - It becomes too soft and hard to press on some models. Lousy build quality there.
3. Two had the touchscreen issue - This is a serious one, but we have it fixed here on XDA... For the most part. Again, build quality?
4. Three creaked when pressed - My 5 year old nokia felt better under pressure. This is fixable with a larger battery.
5. Screens varied significantly - Don't know which screen I'd pick... Some had better viewing angles, some better contrast, or sharpness, or whatever...
6. Sense lagged more than I'd like on all of them - Maybe I want the impossible? No lag on my 1.5Ghz while scrolling through home screens? :|
7. WiFi death grip - I can live with this one.
I probably went into more detail than I should... Sorry
It's a good phone for the most part. I just expected way more from HTC (and for my money) and now I'm a bit disappointed...

Back to U12+ in 2019?

Hey all,
after a brief period with the U12+ back in August 2018 (where I was relatively happy with it) I decided to sell it and try something new for a change, as I was using exclusively HTC handsets for the last 8 years. It was succeeded by an Essential (top phone) and afterwards by a Pixel 3XL. I have now the chance to return to it, do you think it is a good idea? I am afraid I will miss the Pixel's impressive AMOLED display and the coolness of stock Android, but then again I am still curious to get back to HTC. Also, how have things changed, software wise, during the last months? To the ones that still use it, would you recommend it in 2019? Or should I just bite the bullet and go with the flow (Sammy S10)? Thanks in advance!

I would not buy this phone anymore, because the buttons are really annoying and HTC does not care about fixing issues or update the phone to Android Pie.

I got mine not so long ago. It's perfect for me but there is the familiarity, I've had nothing but HTC for years so am loathe to move away to Samsung or the others. Camera is way more than adequate for my needs, yes the buttons are "odd" but usable and I love the sound from it (if only it was tad louder it would be perfect for me). But you've had one before so know what to expect. I'd do it but to be fair, there are some awesome phones out right now and yes, the absolute tragedy that HTC have turned their OTA update policy is pretty disgusting so I can't and won't defend that...

Personally I wouldn't, the software hasn't been radically altered from launch. The camera is great, sound is great, battery life is ok, screen is ok for an LCD but the buttons, oh the buttons.
They're still terrible, sometimes working, sometimes not, if you reboot the phone it'll detect a button push and turn a volume up or down depending on which way the wind is blowing. The other thing that drives me crackers is the screen won't wake up fully if auto-brightness is on, you have to lock/unlock the phone repeatedly until it decides to ramp the brightness up.
All that said, if I had to buy a phone now I honestly don't know what I would get apart from dig out my old HTC10!

Walk away and don't look back.
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Personally I wouldn't, the software hasn't been radically altered from launch. The camera is great, sound is great, battery life is ok, screen is ok for an LCD but the buttons, oh the buttons.
They're still terrible, sometimes working, sometimes not, if you reboot the phone it'll detect a button push and turn a volume up or down depending on which way the wind is blowing. The other thing that drives me crackers is the screen won't wake up fully if auto-brightness is on, you have to lock/unlock the phone repeatedly until it decides to ramp the brightness up.
All that said, if I had to buy a phone now I honestly don't know what I would get apart from dig out my old HTC10!
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the screen wake up issue seems like a software bug (factory reset or RUU tried?).
for the buttons, I have the blue variant and they work super super fine, I mostly use the stock case or some clear tpu cases like spigen clear case or the mumbi. the buttons and edge sense features work there fine too!.
I've heard a lot, that the red variant seems to have issues, maybe due to the anodizing

I am not agreed with you guys.. the phone is perfect but i am waiting pie.. the buttons is perfect for me..

DeeZZ_NuuZZ said:
the screen wake up issue seems like a software bug (factory reset or RUU tried?).
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Yep! RUU'd and factory reset this weekend, I've learned that if I need the phone (GPS while walking in London or taking pics) I just disable auto brightness.
Mine is a blue one and the buttons have always been meh, that said I've still got and use the phone so it's got enough about it to warrant keeping it.

MrN1484 said:
Yep! RUU'd and factory reset this weekend, I've learned that if I need the phone (GPS while walking in London or taking pics) I just disable auto brightness.
Mine is a blue one and the buttons have always been meh, that said I've still got and use the phone so it's got enough about it to warrant keeping it.
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It could be a bad batch, even though my phone is from one of the first batches and even the pre-release units in the pre-briefing were fine, except the red one, it had issues
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Far from an HTC fanboy, but I have the U11 and the U12+. I'm a photographer and the U11 got me incredible publications. The U12+ being better also has and I've been very happy with the former. The latter is a mixed bag, but I sacrifice a lot for photography. The only thing about the LCD I don't like is the power consumption when using always on. Outside of that, it's perfectly fine, maybe not when I'm snowboarding and the screen freezes, but I had the same thing with my AMOLED Samsungs.
Edge Sense with a case is not good, neither are the tactile buttons, but they are usable. I'm using a Ringke.
The camera app is not great, particularly how the screen is shrunken. Again, the image quality is excellent and not just the sensor and processing, but the optics are pretty amazing across the frame. The only step back from the U11 is that the HDR mode creates halos sometimes. Never had such an issue with the U11.
Disclaimer: I bought a lightly used Taiwanese U12+ 128 from a local, reputable shop for a steal. Would not pay full price. I could have gone s9+ for a few Euros more, same condition, but I decided against it due to the HTC image quality being well beyond that of the Samsung- again, good enough for international publication in good to moderate light.