Hello guys!
Since yesterday my touchscreen doesn't respond any more, obviously because of some kind of "bubble" just below the uppermost screen layer. It looks as if the upper foil had separated from the one below in a small area on the right side of the screen (as if it had soaked in air or liquid).
Now the only way for me to handle the phone is to make inputs via hardware keys.
Before I return it to my cellphone dealer for warranty repair, I want to make a complete backup using tools like SPB Backup or similar ones.
But unfortunately, all those backup tools require the installation of some program parts on the PDA, whose touchscreen isn't usable any more.
Do you have an idea how to get to those two buttons on the lower edge / bottom of the screen saying for example "Install" or "Cancel" just by merely using the flippable keyboard or the hardware keys on the PDA's front side?
Thanks a lot in advance!
Greetings
weyoun07
There's a program(Whose name I forgot, sorry D=) that allows you to control your pocketpc from your pc, via a usb connection.
It's a pc application.
Someone get the name of this for me? I'm not at home right now, so I can't get to my computer Dx
Related
I know it is my fault, I was using the Advanced Configuration Tool and thought I could make the screen on the x7510 more sensitive. The result was the opposite and the screen now won't respond to taps at all. So no possibility of screen input.
Without that, I can't use the same tool to put the settings back to what they were before, as it requires a screen tap to commit changes before re-booting. The absence of soft keys on the keyboard makes for problems here.
For the same reason, I can't hard reset using the Clear Storage tool, as that also requires a screen tap. I can't use Resco Registry Editor as that requires screen taps too.
So I am in somewhat of a quandary, happy to hard reset and start again, but no way of doing it that I can see.
Could I re-load the ROM? Someone uploaded the WWE version, but it unzips to three .raw files, which I have no idea what to do with.
Help please!! I need this as I am on holiday, I may be slow coming back to any replies, we are in Laos, where comms are, shall we say, a little slow, and we are travelling about. the first chance i get to sort this out I will use though.
Thanks for any help anyone can give.
rjstep3
If you have access to a PC onto which you may install software, then you can download and install MyMobiler, which is freeware. Get it here: www.mymobiler.com.
This will allow you to control your device from the PC, using the mouse, so you'd be able to make the changes you need to make.
Good luck!
rjstep3 said:
I know it is my fault, I was using the Advanced Configuration Tool and thought I could make the screen on the x7510 more sensitive. The result was the opposite and the screen now won't respond to taps at all. So no possibility of screen input.
Without that, I can't use the same tool to put the settings back to what they were before, as it requires a screen tap to commit changes before re-booting. The absence of soft keys on the keyboard makes for problems here.
For the same reason, I can't hard reset using the Clear Storage tool, as that also requires a screen tap. I can't use Resco Registry Editor as that requires screen taps too.
So I am in somewhat of a quandary, happy to hard reset and start again, but no way of doing it that I can see.
Could I re-load the ROM? Someone uploaded the WWE version, but it unzips to three .raw files, which I have no idea what to do with.
Help please!! I need this as I am on holiday, I may be slow coming back to any replies, we are in Laos, where comms are, shall we say, a little slow, and we are travelling about. the first chance i get to sort this out I will use though.
Thanks for any help anyone can give.
rjstep3
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hi
To make a Hardreset hold the volume slider down and press the reset button.
see wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Athena_Resets
but keep it in your mind that all your data (in rom) will be lose after hardreset
saied
thanks guys, just back from the Far East, appreciated your help and everything now restored.
rjstep3
For reference, I had this same problem yesterday. Didn't know of this thread at the time but managed to sort it out. It is completely possible to use the "clear storage" option in Settings>>System navigating using the keyboard. Fn>>OK brings up the start menu..navigate to settings using the cursor keys..press enter to select. Use TAB and cursor keys to navigate around across the tabs to "System" and again from there to "Clear Storage". Select whether to wipe the data stored on the device, on the flash disk or both using cursors/TAB, type "1234" and press the "OK" key. Done.
I had even managed to configure hardware buttons to the left/right soft keys to try to revert the settings in Advance Config, but it seems the effect of completely losing touch screen functionality is irreversible
Or you could obviously use the other method above which I didn't think to look for!! Like I said, just for reference. Might be useful to someone.
TIP: Don't change "Pressure Threshold" in Advanced Config to "Very High" as it will cause your touch screen to stop responding and the only way to get it back is by a hard reset.
This guy made it on a nokia...
http://30dbs.blogspot.com/2009/03/experimental-multi-touch-on-nokia-5800.html
i dont think this is real multitouch- just seems to remember the first pressed location and notices when pressure is gone
its not really multitouch.
i worked on a simular project (not a game, just tried to do something like virtual multitouch)
and its just like that.
example:
you press on the left and on the right side of our screen, wm thinks you were pressing just in the middle of both sides.
like this (X is your finger, O is the position where windows mobil thinks where your finger really is)
X-----O-----X
or
X----------
-----O-----
----------X
so i think this guy just made "invisible buttons" which you click when you press und 2 of his buttons at the same time.
of course this is just speculation because i cant test it, but that would be the easiest way.
Yep I think it's how it works... But it's not a dumb idea at all, and could be used in the dev of apps
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you press und the left and on the right side of our screen, wm thinks you were pressing just in the middle of both sides.
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I agree with you.
This "trick" can simulate a multitouch but only with single clicks. I'm afraid that you can't simulate gestures such as the "iPhone-like" zoom.
Marshall
lpaso said:
Yep I think it's how it works... But it's not a dumb idea at all, and could be used in the dev of apps
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Yeah, I realize it isn’t "real" multitouch to, but I also think this could be useful for a lot of cool apps on WM.
I was making some experiments and I noticed that it is really hard, if not impossible, to make it work with 3 simultaneous pressures.
Like freaksey said, pressing in 2 different points of the screen will make the OS think we are pressing in a point in the middle. But introducing a third point will not be detected if the point is in the same line.
Here is what I mean:
X----X----X (3 points)
X---------X (2 points)
X----O----X (What the OS thinks in both situations)
So I'm afraid that we can't make applications like "piano".
Marshall
Marshall07 said:
I was making some experiments and I noticed that it is really hard, if not impossible, to make it work with 3 simultaneous pressures.
Like freaksey said, pressing in 2 different points of the screen will make the OS think we are pressing in a point in the middle. But introducing a third point will not be detected if the point is in the same line.
Here is what I mean:
X----X----X (3 points)
X---------X (2 points)
X----O----X (What the OS thinks in both situations)
So I'm afraid that we can't make applications like "piano".
Marshall
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Indeed, not like a piano, but for tiny games (like the nokia guy made) it could be fun
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Indeed, not like a piano, but for tiny games (like the nokia guy made) it could be fun
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Of course
Marshall
I reckon u could simulate multitouch for zooming. And here is how i suggest to do it (im not a programmer, so someone come use it (Y)!)
When using a transitional touch screen, a user either presses a button and then releases it (taps it), and then taps another, or drags a stylus across the screen. When a user taps, there is a space of a few milliseconds of no input between the taps, so is recognisable.
When a user drags a stylus, the change in location is continuous (i.e. the point of contact moves to an adjacent sensor), so is recognisable.
If a user were to touch 2 points, the point of contact would appear to move straight to another point (not adjacent) immediately. This would then be recognisable as 2 points of contact, rather than just 2 taps.
This would allow 2 fingered gestures, even if the system wouldn't know the exact location of the 2 points of contact.
try this... here can you see where your phone thinks your finger is.
(to go into "singlepoint mode" draw at least 1 point on your screen and then you can change into it)
just copy to phone and run it
I am not a hardware engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but I feel this is more of a software limitation than anything else.
The fact that windows mobile can take two points of pressure and use the middle of the area as the true touch point, tells me that the hardware is understanding both touch points.
I believe the issue lies in Windows for not understanding two inputs at the same time. This is the same case with Windows PC's, as multi-touch is not possible on Vista or XP, but instead is being developed specifically for Window 7. Same thing with Windows Mobile, multi-touch is being developed (on a software level) only with WM 7.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Android powered HTC phone has similar touch screen hardware as most current HTC devices, but a developer was able to (with some changes to the OS) allow for true multi touch recognition.
You are right, viridescent_zeal.
But I already tried what you are saying and if you press 2 point "at the same time" the hardware will immediatly get the point in the middle. It will not move immediatly but it will immediatly result as the point in the middle.
I'm afraid that it is an hardware limitation. If you want to realize the behaviour you are talking about, you have to press the two points with a little delay. This will cause the immediate movement and you can make a software believe you have touched two points in the screen.
Marshall
iservealot said:
I am not a hardware engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but I feel this is more of a software limitation than anything else.
The fact that windows mobile can take two points of pressure and use the middle of the area as the true touch point, tells me that the hardware is understanding both touch points.
I believe the issue lies in Windows for not understanding two inputs at the same time. This is the same case with Windows PC's, as multi-touch is not possible on Vista or XP, but instead is being developed specifically for Window 7. Same thing with Windows Mobile, multi-touch is being developed (on a software level) only with WM 7.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Android powered HTC phone has similar touch screen hardware as most current HTC devices, but a developer was able to (with some changes to the OS) allow for true multi touch recognition.
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It isn't a software limitation. This is just how resistive digitisers work.
here's two artciles from the last 24 hours showing multitouch in action:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/multitouch-exists-now-without-new-hardware-or-software/
http://www.fuzemobility.com/multitouch-in-action/
it can be implemented for games in a butchered form...it's not real multitouch but virtual key presses can work for games.
Very true. Still, be able to do that is better than nothing- if done right it could simulate multi-touch gestures providing we put 1 finger down first!
Hi,
I've bought a new keypad for my fox, and I know the maintenance-file in Vox-Wiki, but I hope to change keypad without totally disassembly of the housing of my mobile. Has anybody changed his numeric keypad yet? And if yes - can you explain how you did this ?
Regards Odiad
The numeric keypad is glued to the keys-PBA and the upper part of it needs to be inserted underneath the LCD afaik. With some force you may be able to remove the old keypad from the keys-PBA, but it is very difficult to put back the new keypad to the device. It is already hard to do it right when having the phone taken apart. Also do the replacement keypads usually not have the glue included to attach it to the PBA. If you ommit the glue however, then pushing the D-pad up button will lift the rest of the keypad. It will never be as good as it was original and it gets worse when you do it without dis-assembly of the device.
hi Tobbie,
thanks for the discription. Sounds that it makes no sense to try at the moment. My keypad looks bad, but phone works. And I still want to use it. And before I will break it completly I accept the bad look.
So I will change only if current keypad don't work and I have to repair.
Regards Odiad
If the keypad does no longer work, then replacing just the rubber+keys above the PBA will not help you. What I say is that you may not get a perfect optical result and you need good skills to do that. Contrary to previous HTC devices (Typhoon, Hurricane, Tornado) where the parts are well separate and only screws keep the parts together - the VOX has this very bad construction of the numeric keypad in the front. Also the key-PBA is glued to the frame, so removing it will destroy it. If you can get hold of a complete new front including the already assembled keys-PBA, keyboard all together then a replacement is rather easy and the results are satisfactory. Sometimes they sell such items on ebay, but is always mandatory to ask if the keys-PBA (sometimes called "membrane") is also in the offer - often it is not!
Hey guys,
As far as I have figured out, my touchscreen's digitizer is broken, I tried re-writing the ROM (had to skip calibration with software) and so on..nothing helps.
The problem is that I don't have money atm, and everything would be fine using the QWERTY but I can't even send SMS, the send button is on the touchscreen.
Could I do anything (reg changes or something) to make a QWERTY combination to send out sms?
You could use the key mapper & map a key to a mortscript emulating the screen tap for sms send button.
You can also hook your Raphael to PC.notebook via MyMobiler allowing your PC to control PPC via PC screen & mouse.
All software is linked in my signature.
perfect, this will work for me. I just ripped my digitizer off because it was pealing.
Would you be able to help me out with the mortiscript? Having a tuff time emulating the left soft key tap.
Aloha all, Having trouble knowing how to ask this...bear with me.
I am having problems with the menus that are triggered by the 'hover' action of a mouse. Using the surface pro or even my lumia 920 I am frequently unable to operate many menus on sites.
officefootballpools.com tournamentpools.com and a host of other sites have the same type menus.
Normal action would be with a mouse and when you hover it drops down a menu that you click your selection. Its isn't a normal drop down but a .li. html type for the menu.
Im sure this has been discussed but I was looking for some vocabulary so I can search the right threads.
You cant interact with hover images via capacitative touch. The browser has no way to tell if you want to click or just show the drop down, it assumes click. Some sites (with limited success) I have managed to press and hold on a link to show its drop down, then if you ignore the usual right click popup then you can sometimes hit the correct icon, this is on a lumia 710.
Otherwise if you have a device with an active stylus (the surface pro for example) you can get rollover easily. If you notice when you hold the pen a tiny bit off of the screen you get a little dot appearing on the screen where the pen is pointing without any physical contact. This dot can trigger rollover events as in this case windows knows that you are not touching the screen, touch becomes a click, hovering the pen over the screen becomes mouse movement which is enough to trigger rollover.
Thank you for your reply. I understand and assumed the same. I have been working with an x61t for a few years so the jump to capacitive has thrown me a bit.
Okay, so what are web developers doing instead of this type of drop down? I recently read an article that says a lot of developers are moving to the new msn.com type format with nav bars on left or right with no hover...
Anyway thanks again. The volume of sites with this issue is pretty large. Yahoo.com/fantasy chokes a donkey, etc.
Side question, does Win8 have the on screen mouse that I used to have on my Lenovo? Or is that a Lenovo product probably?
Alot of web developers are doing nothing at all. In some cases clicking the link that causes the dropdown redirects to a page listing the other links in that dropdown, that's always handy. Usually most devs create mobile versions of sites which are normally touch friendly. I have seen 1 or 2 sites create iPhone versions before, these worked nicely on android so I would assume they are fine on the lumia and maybe the surface.
I haven't ever seen an on screen mouse before but if there is not one in windows 8 then there may be a 3rd party one somewhere. I am on my phone right now, otherwise I would have looked myself.
One advantage of using "Mobile" websites is that they should be designed with the limitation of touchscreens - specifically, the inability to track hover - in mind. That may help you out.
Alternatively, the Surface Pro uses an active Wacom digitizer (as well as a touchscreen) that can sense the pen at a distance. You can use the stylus pretty much perfectly as a mouse, with hover and right-click and everything.