So I want to use a navigation app on the MyTouch 4G without using any data. If I'm not mistaken, the Google Navigation app uses data to download the map of your current location. The new HTC Sense maps (again if I'm not mistaken) are saved on the phone and don't use data. So my question is if I can get the HTC maps on the MyTouch 4g (specifically without having to root the phone and flash the new Sense rom onto it)?
What's the point of using a mthd without data? Really just defeats the purpose of having this kinda phone if you ask me... Just my opinion though
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^ What he said!
They build HSPA+.....
what you were sayin' ...? ))
But, srsly, I see were you coming from....I would rather store my maps on SD so it can be cached faster, especially for "out of 3G/4G range" towns
Its not that I don't want to use data with the phone, I do. Its just that I am considering switching to the cheaper limited data plans that T-Mobile will roll out in the near future. So thats why not using data for the nav would be great.
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Its not that I don't want to use data with the phone, I do. Its just that I am considering switching to the cheaper limited data plans that T-Mobile will roll out in the near future. So thats why not using data for the nav would be great.
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The "limited" data plan will only work with certain phones. The mt4g will be a premium device that will require the unlimited data plan.
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Yeah but I'm using a G1, so I can just use that to get the new data plan, then I will buy the MyTouch 4G off-contract and swap the sim.
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Yeah but I'm using a G1, so I can just use that to get the new data plan, then I will buy the MyTouch 4G off-contract and swap the sim.
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Tricky fellow! LOL! J/K
Sounds like a good idea.
If you're trying to avoid getting the unlimited plan by pretending you're still using your G1, it won't work. They have a database of all the IMEI #s and the IMEI of the phone you're using gets transmitted, so they can see what you're using.
Back on AT&T, I bought a used iPhone (original model) and spoofed the IMEI to avoid having to pay for the iPhone data plan. Not sure if you can do this on Android.
You can see what I'm talking about by going to your T-Mobile account online and somewhere it should say which phone you're using. If you switch to another T-Mobile phone, it'll change. Carriers only have the IMEI #s of the phones that are branded by them. So if you put your T-Mobile SIM in an AT&T or unlocked, unbranded phone, it wouldn't show that phone under your account.
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If you're trying to avoid getting the unlimited plan by pretending you're still using your G1, it won't work. They have a database of all the IMEI #s and the IMEI of the phone you're using gets transmitted, so they can see what you're using.
Back on AT&T, I bought a used iPhone (original model) and spoofed the IMEI to avoid having to pay for the iPhone data plan. Not sure if you can do this on Android.
You can see what I'm talking about by going to your T-Mobile account online and somewhere it should say which phone you're using. If you switch to another T-Mobile phone, it'll change. Carriers only have the IMEI #s of the phones that are branded by them. So if you put your T-Mobile SIM in an AT&T or unlocked, unbranded phone, it wouldn't show that phone under your account.
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All of the above is true... Sold phones for years at radioshack...
Well it doesn't matter anyway because the new data plans will be available for all phones. From the leaked(?) document: "T-Mobile will respond to our customers' needs by introducing a new low-cost $10/$15 200 MB Web feature that can be added to any device."
Source: http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/t-mobile-adding-data-plan-to-new-data-lineup/
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If you're trying to avoid getting the unlimited plan by pretending you're still using your G1, it won't work. They have a database of all the IMEI #s and the IMEI of the phone you're using gets transmitted, so they can see what you're using.
Back on AT&T, I bought a used iPhone (original model) and spoofed the IMEI to avoid having to pay for the iPhone data plan. Not sure if you can do this on Android.
You can see what I'm talking about by going to your T-Mobile account online and somewhere it should say which phone you're using. If you switch to another T-Mobile phone, it'll change. Carriers only have the IMEI #s of the phones that are branded by them. So if you put your T-Mobile SIM in an AT&T or unlocked, unbranded phone, it wouldn't show that phone under your account.
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Not that it matters (see my previous post), but even when they detect someone switches phones, can they really just alter your data plan without asking your permission?
The way AT&T did it, they would send you an automated text first a number of times. Then they'd add it. If it's stated in the TOS then they can do it. See if you can call them up and find a nice rep who'll try and keep it for you though.
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Can they really just alter your data plan without asking your permission?
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No -- they just disable access to Internet but still charge you for the plan.
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Yeah but I'm using a G1, so I can just use that to get the new data plan, then I will buy the MyTouch 4G off-contract and swap the sim.
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Until tmo recognizes that you are on a mt4g...then they will require the correct plan. Not to mention what you proposed was at the very least dishonest
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Just answer the question
Can someone just answer his question without requiring his motives?
There's other people with legitimate reasons to do the same. What if you are in an area that has bad data reception? What if you wanted to use navigation outside of the city?
There's been plenty of times that I couldn't use Navi because of poor reception.
Use the navigon app it is now downloadable from the market. Maps are stored on the phone.
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okay ive always used xda as a source of information and i made a new account for this soul question. i have a rooted HTC Inspire running latest android revolution ROM i read that u dont have to pay for AT&T data usage with this ROM....well i have and i want to know if i can or cannot get free tethering wired or wifi i dont care without paying? i have a 200MB data cap on my plan and i need to know if there is a way around that if i can keep using the data w/o ATT knowing. im willing to do whatever it takes flashing another rom whatever so dont hold back on the android revolution rom alone your answers will all be a use to me and i thank u for helping me
I don't know about using data without at&t knowing, but you can tether with a rooted rom (which still uses data) without the at&t tether plan.
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I don't know about using data without at&t knowing, but you can tether with a rooted rom (which still uses data) without the at&t tether plan.
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so at&t would still see me tethering and use my data rate and charge me?
Popupstoppa was correct about the plan. You will be able to tether using Android Revolution, but no matter which rom you use, AT&T will definitely know how much data you have used during the month. If you are only on the 200mb plan, I would say forget about tethering. You will go over your limit in minutes.
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Popupstoppa was correct about the plan. You will be able to tether using Android Revolution, but no matter which rom you use, AT&T will definitely know how much data you have used during the month. If you are only on the 200mb plan, I would say forget about tethering. You will go over your limit in minutes.
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yep and that is exactly what happens aw man o well guess thats it thanks for all ur help
You are better off getting a Telus Desire HD(exactly the same as the inspire) and tell ATT you have a non smartphone and then you can get an UNLIMITED data plan for $10 a month.
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You are better off getting a Telus Desire HD(exactly the same as the inspire) and tell ATT you have a non smartphone and then you can get an UNLIMITED data plan for $10 a month.
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I thought of doing this before, but it ends up being very pricey. Would you get 4g speeds with the unlimited $10 plan?
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I thought of doing this before, but it ends up being very pricey. Would you get 4g speeds with the unlimited $10 plan?
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Unfortunately, you will not. None of ATT's feature phones, the ones that would be able to get the unlimited, have HSPA+. You wouldn't be able to go faster than 3G speeds, but that's the price you pay. Lol
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All phones transmit imei numbers to att so they WILL know if your using a smart phone and automatically add the 2gb data plan.
Not to be the **** of this discussion,but do u really believe that there's a way to leech data without att knowing? Really? Getting away with free tethering is one thing, leeching data without them knowing on their own network with the ability to monitor traffic from each device is another. Common sense will tell you that, first of all, if there was a way, you would have read it by now, considering your claim of using xda
as a resource. Secondly, even if there was a way, don't u think att would have fixed an issue of that magnitude by now? (Rolls eyes)
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Quote from somewhastock: All phones transmit imei numbers to att so they WILL know if your using a smart phone and automatically add the 2gb data plan.
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ATT only knows of IMEI numbers of smartphones they sell with 3 exceptions that I know of: Blackberrys, Iphones, and the Nexus 1. Others are not in their database so they know not what phone you have. And that's a fact. I have been doing this for over 2 years. Still on the $10 fullfeature phone plan with unlimited data. And I don't tether.
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Unfortunately, you will not. None of ATT's feature phones, the ones that would be able to get the unlimited, have HSPA+. You wouldn't be able to go faster than 3G speeds, but that's the price you pay. Lol
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I am not on the 4G plan, no. I use the older single APN. Do you actually think that matters? I still can't believe how many people are still fooled by this 4G crap. Especially within less than a year your 4G plans will all be outdated for the new LTE (The real 4G) that ATT is now implementing. Below is a screenshot from my Telus DHD. Not the best time of the day here as it is 3:40 PM. But my speeds are very good. I have hit as high as 6500MB download. Do you think this is 3G speed? Not.
Quote from cavsoldier19d: Not to be the **** of this discussion,but do u really believe that there's a way to leech data without att knowing? Really? Getting away with free tethering is one thing, leeching data without them knowing on their own network with the ability to monitor traffic from each device is another. Common sense will tell you that, first of all, if there was a way, you would have read it by now, considering your claim of using xda
as a resource. Secondly, even if there was a way, don't u think att would have fixed an issue of that magnitude by now? (Rolls eyes)
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No one is leeching data. And FYI, it depends how you tether as ATT can tell. And no they cannot detect my device. Just because you have not read it before, how can you possibly think it is not true? So sorry to say but you are. (Rolls eyes)
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ATT only knows of IMEI numbers of smartphones they sell with 3 exceptions that I know of: Blackberrys, Iphones, and the Nexus 1. Others are not in their database so they know not what phone you have. And that's a fact. I have been doing this for over 2 years. Still on the $10 fullfeature phone plan with unlimited data. And I don't tether.
I am not on the 4G plan, no. I use the older single APN. Do you actually think that matters? I still can't believe how many people are still fooled by this 4G crap. Especially within less than a year your 4G plans will all be outdated for the new LTE (The real 4G) that ATT is now implementing. Below is a screenshot from my Telus DHD. Not the best time of the day here as it is 3:40 PM. But my speeds are very good. I have hit as high as 6500MB download. Do you think this is 3G speed? Not.
No one is leeching data. And FYI, it depends how you tether as ATT can tell. And no they cannot detect my device. Just because you have not read it before, how can you possibly think it is not true? So sorry to say but you are. (Rolls eyes)
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I don't buy into that 4G crap from ATT. 4G to me is LTE. With the speed you got, I would say you got as close to LTE speeds while still being on a still 3g network. If ATT wants to call their HSPA+ network 4G, I will call it that just for their benefit. I believe the truth and side with the the original statement from the ITC about what is truly 4G.
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I am saying, irreguardless of what device u use, they can monitor the TRAFFIC that is coming from whatever device u are using. The whole basis of this question was whether u can go over your said data limit without att knowing. That question is absurd because they can monitor exactly how much data u are using, no matter what device or if u are rooted/romed
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I am saying, irreguardless of what device u use, they can monitor the TRAFFIC that is coming from whatever device u are using. The whole basis of this question was whether u can go over your said data limit without att knowing. That question is absurd because they can monitor exactly how much data u are using, no matter what device or if u are rooted/romed
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That...and technically it's theft...at least the way the OP is going about it...
Agreed.
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Infuse owner here asking this for a friend. Can a inspire be unlocked to work with a att gophone simcard? If so are there any data limitations? Thanks
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Did some research and it appears it will work but inorder to have data ill have to root it, and its only on edge. So after I root it what do I have to do next?
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I don't have exact answers per se, but as an AT&T Mobility employee I have some advice and some warnings.
Advice: It would be much better to get a "4G" SIM instead of the GoPhone one, just in case this causes any issues.
When you go activate the SIM, take another, non-smartphone, phone with you and say that that's what you will use. We will put the non-smartphone IMEI in the system and it will allow you to get the $50 unlimited talk,text, and web.
Once you have the "4G" SIM activated, and the non-smartphone IMEI registered, put the SIM in the Inspire. Now, the seemingly difficult part.
Warning: You MUST find the APN settings for our feature phones somewhere, if you can't, I will try to find them for you. The reasoning behind this is that more then likely the "web" included on the $50 package is only one the feature phone APN, instead of the smartphone one.
Secondly, don't be surprised if one day you stop having internet connectivity. As we do with our postpaid customers, we also have a system for prepaid that sweeps every IMEI used and applies (or in your case, removes) the appropriate data packages.
I know that our prepaid data packages are a ripoff, but this is one way to do it, if only temporarily.
P.S. Where did you hear it would only be EDGE? That seems incorrect to me.
Bronk93 said:
Did some research and it appears it will work but inorder to have data ill have to root it, and its only on edge. So after I root it what do I have to do next?
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Look up H2O its a prepaid service that uses at&t towers and band so you don't have to unlock the phone and its 60$ a month for unlimited talk text and web
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Did some research and it appears it will work but inorder to have data ill have to root it, and its only on edge. So after I root it what do I have to do next?
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The inspire will work ina go phone similar card as it is what I run mine one. Data speeds are the same but cost more in the long run.
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I don't have exact answers per se, but as an AT&T Mobility employee I have some advice and some warnings.
Advice: It would be much better to get a "4G" SIM instead of the GoPhone one, just in case this causes any issues.
When you go activate the SIM, take another, non-smartphone, phone with you and say that that's what you will use. We will put the non-smartphone IMEI in the system and it will allow you to get the $50 unlimited talk,text, and web.
Once you have the "4G" SIM activated, and the non-smartphone IMEI registered, put the SIM in the Inspire. Now, the seemingly difficult part.
Warning: You MUST find the APN settings for our feature phones somewhere, if you can't, I will try to find them for you. The reasoning behind this is that more then likely the "web" included on the $50 package is only one the feature phone APN, instead of the smartphone one.
Secondly, don't be surprised if one day you stop having internet connectivity. As we do with our postpaid customers, we also have a system for prepaid that sweeps every IMEI used and applies (or in your case, removes) the appropriate data packages.
I know that our prepaid data packages are a ripoff, but this is one way to do it, if only temporarily.
P.S. Where did you hear it would only be EDGE? That seems incorrect to me.
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So if I am understanding this right, the phone must be rooted, and the APN needs to be changed to reflect a featured phone data plan instead of the smartphone data plan that the droid is expecting to use. Along with using a 4G simcard, that should be it right? The apn settings are all over the internet, i just read them, its like wap.cingular.com or something, but whats this sweeping system you speak of, does it compare the sim card over the air to the imei its 'registered with' opposed to the imei of the phone its installed in?
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So if I am understanding this right, the phone must be rooted, and the APN needs to be changed to reflect a featured phone data plan instead of the smartphone data plan that the droid is expecting to use. Along with using a 4G simcard, that should be it right? The apn settings are all over the internet, i just read them, its like wap.cingular.com or something, but whats this sweeping system you speak of, does it compare the sim card over the air to the imei its 'registered with' opposed to the imei of the phone its installed in?
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It will work just fine stock. I have been running prepaid for awhile now and have not had a single issue. The apns will set on their own to the proper ones once you insert your similar card.
And they are right att dies sweep the IMEI but it doesn't matter as I gave reps my IMEI when I got the inspire and swapped my account from my old captivate. Also I font use a data plan as I am normally around wifi at all times. The only backdraw is if you have less then $5 on your account the data won't connect. ATT can't stop you from having any phone you want on prepaid. They tried with the IPhone and a lawsuite ended that.
go with h20..no contract means no problem
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go with h20..no contract means no problem
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Except, data speeds are kinda slow and the "Unlimited Data" on the $60/Mo plan is actually capped at 3GB..
so what happens after you reach the "cap"
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Infuse owner here asking this for a friend. Can a inspire be unlocked to work with a att gophone simcard? If so are there any data limitations? Thanks
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Im actually using an Inspire via GoPhone. I have been for a few months. I just went to a local att store and simply bought a simcard, some airtime, and activated that sim card, popped it in and voila! I dont recommend buying a cheap GoPhone and using the sim out of that because recently, att decide to start locking the sim that comes with that phone to that specific phone. I made that mistake the first time and found it out the hard way.
I only have the $25/mo plan and i buy a $25 data package when needed. I dont use a lot of data, since I have wifi available most of the time.
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Works good with prepaid just had to put apn in manually to get data working other than that perfect .
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Did some research and it appears it will work but inorder to have data ill have to root it, and its only on edge. So after I root it what do I have to do next?
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You did horrible research.
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I'm using sensation on ATT network with a nonsmart phone data plan on it. Once a while, I will get "data restricted", which I can't access to the internet. "R" symbol shows on the status bar instead of "E". I called 611 on my phone. It tells you that your phone has been restricted.
Has anyone experienced this before?
Using the Sensation on the AT&T network??? There are so many just as good (if not better) Android devices AT&T sells. Why would you want to put up with only having Edge? Just asking?
You should have bought the Bell Sensation so you could get 3G
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I got it from my friend for free. That's why I didn't get any other good phone from ATT.
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I got it from my friend for free. That's why I didn't get any other good phone from ATT.
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Can't argue with free. I'm not sure but I think your issue has to do with your data pack since the APN Settings your Sensation would use is a smartphone data APN not Media Net. I could be wrong though. Do you know someone who has a smartphone with AT&T and has a data package? You could try their sim and see if you get the same issue.
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Can't argue with free. I'm not sure but I think your issue has to do with your data pack since the APN Settings your Sensation would use is a smartphone data APN not Media Net. I could be wrong though. Do you know someone who has a smartphone with AT&T and has a data package? You could try their sim and see if you get the same issue.
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Actually the APN setting is Media net. I was kinda surprised that I didn't even need to input it myself. I put the sim card in, the setting was there.
From what I've read ATT are real dicks about snooping on what kind of data you are pulling and the devices that you are using. You said you don't have a smart phone data plan (maybe some old grandfathered dumbphone data plan?). In any case, I'd guess they've detected you are using a smartphone pulling real webpages with it and so are "restricting" you so that you will call their CS so they can tell you to upgrade to a full data plan. Basically your problem is that your service provider is ATT to begin with. My 2 cents.
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From what I've read ATT are real dicks about snooping on what kind of data you are pulling and the devices that you are using. You said you don't have a smart phone data plan (maybe some old grandfathered dumbphone data plan?). In any case, I'd guess they've detected you are using a smartphone pulling real webpages with it and so are "restricting" you so that you will call their CS so they can tell you to upgrade to a full data plan. Basically your problem is that your service provider is ATT to begin with. My 2 cents.
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I even got an txt from them once, said "you are using a iphone and we'll put the iphone data plan on your account", but they never did.
At the moment I'm using a HTC Tilt 2 WM 6.5 without a data plan due to the fact I'm Grandfathered in via the pre data forcing by AT&T. Since I have never purchased a cell phone from AT&T my contract has never been renewed. Hence I can switch from one smartphone to another with no activation of a data plan.
My question:
I plan to get, and root, a used HTC Inspire. I have heard all Android phones must have a data plan or they physically will not work. Is this true? Or is this coming from individuals that have not been Grandfathered in and just do not know better?
i was in the same boat as you months ago when the inspire came out. I have an unlimited data/txt/MMS plan which cost me $29.99 a month. I have not renewed a contract in about 5 years. My unlimited data plan is grandfathered in. I can use as much data as i want and dont have to worry about overages.
Yes, ATT will detect that you are using the new phone. They will also tell you that you HAVE to upgrade your data plan. You dont. They will also tell you that they will automatically update your data plan when they detect you are using the '4g' phone. That is wont, its actually illegal.
I have had the inspires since the day it came out and i still pay $90 a month for 900 min of talk time and unlimited text/data/mms.
I did the math the last time they tried to make me upgrade my plan to the $35/month "4G" data plan. Over two years of paying more for less (data), i would save money by buying the phone for the list price and not upgrading my plan. They i would have to buy a plan for text and mms messages.
So i would suggest you buy the phone outright for whatever it costs now.
I go so far as to not even give them my phone number and tell them the phone is a gift for a friend. When they give me a problem about that, and say the MUST have a phone number, i give them the phone number of one my friends that has an iphone, or use my work number, since the are both ATT phone numbers.
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note though, if you do not have a data plan, you may want to make sure the data radio is turned off and simply use the wi-fi on the phone to access the internet. Android is always running stuff in the background that uses your data plan.
I turn mine off so that i dont get emails when i am out and about at night or asleep.
never had an issue except with the sales people and the store that 'know it all' because they are paid to get you to upgrade to the latest plan. they tell you that you MUST upgrade just so they can get their commission or meet some quota i guess. call their bluff. its worked for me ever since i went to the original tilt a few years back.
Your android phone will work without a data plan. However ATT will detect it and can hook you up to a data plan and charge you without asking you. There is nothing illegal about that. ATT has every right to do that. It is their policy.
But ATT is not the evil cellphone provider that everyone thinks they are. Most likely what I said above will happen. But since you are in a grandfathered plan and have been a valued ATT customer I would talk to an ATT representative. Most likely they will just put a block on your data and you will be able to continue on as you have in the past. That is as long as you buy the phone outright.
Agoattamer may be right about automatically signing your up for a data plan. I am lucky because I signed up for the unlimited plan years ago, so technically, i do have a data plan.
I do know for a fact that they have told me they will automatically change my plan to one of their newer plans because now i have a smarter phone. I pretty much got in an argument about it with the sales rep on why i should 'upgrade' my plan when it is already unlimited. His only answer was, as Agoattamer stated, it's ATT policy for the newer, smarter phones.
They have not 'automatically upgraded my plan' though, but have told me they will each time i go in there. The first time was when i bought the tilt 1, and then i had to get a international roaming plan for a vacation, and they looked at my account and said the same thing. Has not happened yet, and it has been a few years.
i am sure that if i were to consume 10 gigs of data in one month though, i would probably get automatically upgraded, so thats why i fly under the radar and mostly use wi-fi. Only use my cell data radio on the road or when i NEED it outside of wi-fi coverage. To this date, i still have not consumed more than a 1 gig in a month on my cell data radio.
What ngravatt says here is true. They may get you and they may not get you. There are many that get by under the radar and then I have heard of many that get caught the first day. It is a coin tossup. But as ngravatt also said which I said above: Talk to them and they will work it out with you usually. But since you have no data plan your phone will begin using data shortly after you turn it on. And I think that will be a major red flag to ATT. So either they will catch you and add you to a plan or you will get charged for the data you use which can be quite expensive.
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Yes, ATT will detect that you are using the new phone. They will also tell you that you HAVE to upgrade your data plan. You dont. They will also tell you that they will automatically update your data plan when they detect you are using the '4g' phone. That is wont, its actually illegal.
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well...they can, but they ahve to send you a notice saying they're changing your contract terms, but they give you an option to back out of your contract if you disagree with the new terms.
You should be able to buy it outright or upgrade, and turn off your data plan. You could just use the sim card swap technique to put it in another phone and say you lost the other one (after a month) and that you want them to turn off ALL data. This way you can upgrade and get the cheapest price on the phone (?free) AND only pay a month of data. ATT *does* let people with smartphones disable data and they don't force you onto a data plan. I have friends that do this with iphones and other smartphones. This might be your cheapest option.
off topic here, i was on a tilt2 up until the beg of march when my screen refused to turn on, and since it was 6 months after my warranty expired (90 day refurb warranty), i had to upgrade. mannn, wish i could've held out until att lte phones came out...
If you buy at upgrade pricing you have to re-sign your service agreement. That is when they hit you with the data plan change. If you purchase your phone outright then you will not sign a new service agreement. If you get a text saying that you need a new data plan call 611. Tell them that you have unlimited data and you are receiving text messages. They will update the data plan you are on to the new grandfathered data plan and you are all set. At least in my experience that was what happened to me. Text messages stopped and I am on the corrected unlimited data plan. And I pull about 5-6 gigs a month so yes it is unlimited, and no I do not tether.
Sorry just re read a little more. They will require a data plan for you and they will not grandfather you since there is nothing to grandfather. I would buy outright online from a private party and pop your SIM in.
i have been using smart phones for a while since the windows mobile times, and have upgraded since sometimes buying the phone on ebay or sometimes renewing my contract
i put a data block on my phone and just use wifi
the other people on my plan have data on there phone
What if you have a desire HD, would they tag you too?
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Yes. They will still notice. Using a desire hd still requires your sim and still uses att network.
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Oh okay, thanks
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How about h2o?
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Gizmoe said:
Yes. They will still notice. Using a desire hd still requires your sim and still uses att network.
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But how will they know it's a smartphone? My understanding was that if the imei is not in their database, they have no way of determining what device you actually have.
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biglittlegato said:
But how will they know it's a smartphone? My understanding was that if the imei is not in their database, they have no way of determining what device you actually have.
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This is true from what I hear. You can buy a Telus DHD (uses the same frequencies as AT&T) and add an unlimited non-smart phone data plan for like $10/month. Your Telus DHD will get 3G/4G just like an Inspire, but won't be flagged as a "smart" device by AT&T. This could all change at any time though if AT&T gets wise to you.
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This is true from what I hear. You can buy a Telus DHD (uses the same frequencies as AT&T) and add an unlimited non-smart phone data plan for like $10/month. Your Telus DHD will get 3G/4G just like an Inspire, but won't be flagged as a "smart" device by AT&T. This could all change at any time though if AT&T gets wise to you.
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I assume they would notice that you are using a device that does not match your imei number and they would require you to activate it. It might not take them too long to notice but who knows. Things do slip through the cracks.
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biglittlegato said:
But how will they know it's a smartphone? My understanding was that if the imei is not in their database, they have no way of determining what device you actually have.
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Carriers have been working with the OEMs to fix this. They are at the point where they may not be able to determine what device it is but can tell what type of device. Its not that hard to look at the data usage and other things and determine what type of device is being used.
Check my sig and you will see I am using a Telus DHD. Before that I used a T-mobile Samsung Vibrant and before that I used a Telstra HTC HD2. All three phones worked on ATT for 3G. None of the 3 showed up on the ATT web site. It still shows to this day, my samsung impression. I am using the non smartphone $10/month unlimited data plan. It has worked for 2 years but I do not abuse it. It may change in the near future, who knows.
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I assume they would notice that you are using a device that does not match your imei number and they would require you to activate it. It might not take them too long to notice but who knows. Things do slip through the cracks.
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Did this for three years no issues. Didn't manage to upgrade to my Inspire with the same data plan though :-(
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I assume they would notice that you are using a device that does not match your imei number and they would require you to activate it. It might not take them too long to notice but who knows. Things do slip through the cracks.
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That's the thing with GSM phones. They only care about the SIM for activation. The IMEI is secondary and only used (by AT&T anyway) to identify the type of phone. If it's not in their database, they have no way of knowing what kind of phone it is.
I just got a used mytouch 4g from ebay. I am currently on the grandfathered 5.99 tzones plan which works fine with my current Nexus One. When I put the same sim and sd card into this MT4G, I get no data. I cannot set up my android market. When I try the internet browser, it starts with home.web2go.com, but never finishes loading. When I select one of the shortcuts, e.g. tmobile.npr.org, it times out. This is with two bars of signal strength, plus the H icon and up/down arrows showing activity.
Can this behavior be related to my tzones data plan? If the phone did not like the tzones plan, I would have thought I would have gotten an upsell screen or something.
Any suggestions would be most welcome.
The APN should be epc.tmobile.com. Try that, but personally I hope it doesn't work. As someone who actually pays for the data my phone uses, I hate to see people scam the system by using a data plan intended for a dumb-phone from the year 2005. No offense, but that's how myself and many others feel.
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The APN should be epc.tmobile.com. Try that, but personally I hope it doesn't work. As someone who actually pays for the data my phone uses, I hate to see people scam the system by using a data plan intended for a dumb-phone from the year 2005. No offense, but that's how myself and many others feel.
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QFT. It shouldn't work, t-mo sells these phones, unlike the Nexus One, which was never sold by them. It should just redirect the OP to an upgrade page since the model will be recognized.
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QFT. It shouldn't work, t-mo sells these phones, unlike the Nexus One, which was never sold by them. It should just redirect the OP to an upgrade page since the model will be recognized.
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Right. The fact that it doesn't me to the upgrade page makes me think there is something wrong with the device, and I should return it. If, however, my experiences matches others on the forum, then I'd keep the phone and switch plan.