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Even as a tech savvy individual, for whatever reason, until a month ago I had pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as smartphones were concerned. I guess my extreme hatred for Apple products and my perceived understanding public's adoration of the iPhone (and like devices) kept me away.
In any case, our contracts were up for renewal, so I decided to go "all out", do some research and finally get a phone that had all the gadgets with it.
Overall, I'm happy with the Captivate. Granted, between Samsung and AT&T, things aren't perfect, but it seems that we have an incredible amount of non-commercial support on our side in the form of various forums and the ROM developers.
My big question is, how long does anyone expect that the Cappy will still be "current"? Realizing of course that it isn't a 4G phone, and currently only runs (stock) 2.1 and won't be "among the best/fastest" for ever, how much longer do you think new ROMs and other developments will be made for it? What kind of phone/technology will take people's attention elsewhere? I'm hoping that even though I've joined the Cappy crowd late, that I still have some time to enjoy the new stuff (Roms in particular) for it.
Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
Aquarianperry said:
Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
SkitchBeatz said:
It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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I totally see that side of things, but just to play devil's advocate, I have a fuze and it still sees development and never got an official update from 6.1 to 6.5.
A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
boborone said:
yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Voodoo sound (and the microphone volume fix while recording video) is the single reason I didn't buy an Inspire/Atrix.
Yet, anyway.
so good to hear there is still some enthusiasm for the captivate, i'm still waiting for mine to arrive. this tech liberation movement is the main reason i was willing to take the plunge.
power to the people!
MastaBetta said:
The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Amen, brother!
Nevermind at&t. As long as the great developers and people at xda keep giving us access to such great things the captivate w will always rule 1ghz phones
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I'm with ya guys.
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Well 2.2 is out now right? The first thing you should.do regardless is install a custom rom on the phone that has 2.2.
After that... customize the phone and make ir yours.
However, concerning the life expectancy.... it should be relavent for a while; the phone is very fast and has a good build.
I have had mine since June and I.think ill be upgrading to.tthe Galaxy S 2 when that.comes out.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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Not useless, but with some new apps and updates requiring 2.2 (and soon 2.3/2.4 I'd presume) it is frustrating to find yourself unable to run the cool new apps and games after a while.
Dante04SRT said:
That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
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Trust me, there are plenty of more things phones can do, do do, and are planning to do in close future, such as finger print reading, 3d recording, a part to read real time temperature of wherever you are. of course, they are always improving cameras with more mega pixels, making phones faster with more CPU and RAM, making phones slimmer, etc. A lot of phones don't have HD out, like the Captivate. But that will be a lot more popular.
I am so ready for the next generation of phones that are coming out soon
cappys came out late july, not june Flac. I just had to send mine in and was looking at receipt. I got mine the first day available.
What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
Mytouch 4G slide it has a better processor and runs overall way more smooth
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
armo4444 said:
Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Get the Slide, Its better all around and yes you can remap the keys once you s off and root. Go here http://revolutionary.io
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
armo4444 said:
Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Go here for more info http://revolutionary.io
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Ill explain. S off is a short for secruity off. Htc devices have a secruity radio in them to prevent modification. Once this is off the phone is open to rooted apps kernals and custom roms
You want the slide for sure it has a dual core processor. I game a lot and have not had any lag issues ever.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
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it's no doubt to choose slide.
better cpu and the smooth QWERTY
I'd go with the mt4gs because it has a better processor, screen, and other "updated" features from the mt4g. The gaming would be nicer because of the better processor, dual core, etc.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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dung8604 said:
How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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Yep, you got it.
You won't find any official documentation on it (but if you do, please share!) - the TV-out capability is what finally sold me on the device. ( I wanted it anyway, but that was the clincher)
Couldn't be happier with any other piece of cellular technology then this device, and the TV thing really is just plug and play...i'll plug in to the TV in the middle of a game without lag and keep right on cruising.
I keep saying that this should have been the selling point for the phone, and yet...not a whisper about it from HTC.
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
leoilios said:
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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I'm definitely thinking that the bluetooth controller is the final answer. I don't like the idea of passing around my phone as the controller to other people. It's fine for my use, but out and about other people want to play too...I don't like handing this device over to other people.
I keep having other things spring up in front of me that have to be handled first with this phone, but seeing what's up with the bluetooth controller issue is very close on my list. Sometime in the next week a person I work on android stuff with in my neighborhood is trying to bring his wii controllers over so we can sit down with our phones and tablets and make a day out of learning what we don't know.
Ultimately, i'd like to get a sixaxis controller working on the device - for all I know it works out of the box with the market app, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think I remember someone posting about it a few weeks ago - and looking into it briefly it seemed like a dead end without kernel source.
Now that we have it, a lot of postponed projects are being woken up in sequence, and having someone to sit down and bounce ideas off of with for a solid day or three is something i'm really looking forward to.
Because really, that's the answer. Walk up to the TV and plug into the audio/video, set the game up, and leave the phone by the TV and play from the couch with a bluetooth controller.
Just like in the old days, when you had to walk up to the system to change games and stuff.
Also, I refuse to play things like the original mortal kombat where i'm trained through and through to include excess pressure on the buttons. Since it's a much more delicate device then an old 8-bit controller...I know i'll break it.
Having a real controller would solve that problem and let me play some of the games on my emulator that are staring me in the face sitting here. All the games I grew up with...and no hardware to run it on. Then this phone comes along, and I can play my old console games on the TV again.
Love this website.
Gotta love how the makers of the phones and os's spend all this time tryin to lock people out from changing them and then there is this website where all these people know how to do almost anything to these new/old phone. I love you guys lol, this is by far the best website to be on to get info about your phone.
If it wasnt for all of you my tilt2 woulda been borin I meen more boring..
I have recently upgraded (lol) to a mytouch 4g slide and it is a very nice phone.
A whole new ballgame for me to figure out how to make it custom, should be fun
Don't worry you came the the right place. The sticky in general has information on everything you'll need to know or click my sig. Welcome to the mt4g slide
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I've read on many a thread to not buy the next Nvidia quadcore equipped phones, just because Nvidia isn't very open with their source code.
I say Hell No! If anyone, especially in the cellphone business knows about gaming, it's Nvidia.
Video games are the state of the art in software. It the most demanding kind of software on computer hardware, and Nvidia is an expert in this area.
The G2x was meant to be first and foremost a GAMING device disguised as a super smartphone, and almost a year after it's release it's showing it's potential with PSP looking graphics in games such as GTA 3, Frontline Commando, 9 MM, and many new releases in the month of Nov/Dec.
Most of the other phones that don't have a Nvidia chip has massive framerate drops and struggle to play these new breed of cellphone games smoothly.
Also, when the G2x does get the ICS update it'll extend the life of the phone maybe another year or 2 just because now the operating system should fully support multiple cores thereby tapping into every bit of power the Tegra 2 has to run more smartly future videogames adapted to take advantage of the phones particular architecture.
Me, I'm staying with Nvidia and I suggest anyone that wants a powerful phone for entertainment (not just videogames but any sort of media) fully support Nvidia and their upcoming powerhouse Tegra chips.
jacob808 said:
I've read on many a thread to not buy the next Nvidia quadcore equipped phones, just because Nvidia isn't very open with their source code.
I say Hell No! If anyone, especially in the cellphone business knows about gaming, it's Nvidia.
Video games are the state of the art in software. It the most demanding kind of software on computer hardware, and Nvidia is an expert in this area.
The G2x was meant to be first and foremost a GAMING device disguised as a super smartphone, and almost a year after it's release it's showing it's potential with PSP looking graphics in games such as GTA 3, Frontline Commando, 9 MM, and many new releases in the month of Nov/Dec.
Most of the other phones that don't have a Nvidia chip has massive framerate drops and struggle to play these new breed of cellphone games smoothly.
Also, when the G2x does get the ICS update it'll extend the life of the phone maybe another year or 2 just because now the operating system should fully support multiple cores thereby tapping into every bit of power the Tegra 2 has to run more smartly future videogames adapted to take advantage of the phones particular architecture.
Me, I'm staying with Nvidia and I suggest anyone that wants a powerful phone for entertainment (not just videogames but any sort of media) fully support Nvidia and their upcoming powerhouse Tegra chips.
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Sorry, but between NVIDIA's insane attitude towards open source software and companies like LG who are utterly inept at properly coding, maintaining and updating Android devices...no. Without the necessary code to update and improve the phone ourselves without tons of necessary workaround coding that is having to be done to port updates (like ICS) to our phones, dev support for Tegra 2 devices will be slim in the next year or so. There is absolutely no doubt that LG will delay, waffle and even possibly just never update the G2x in the first place, and that's hoping that update won't be another buggy mess that has to be cleaned up by independent developers in the first place like the Froyo and Gingerbread builds were.
I'll pass on buying another NVIDIA product. I stopped buying their PC products a LONG time ago because of their poor support and quality (don't even get me started on their Linux drivers), and I should have stayed away from their mobile processors too.
That's not even beginning to counter your assertions that most of the games you mention only run on Tegra processors well. The Tegra 2 isn't the best mobile processor by any means (although it is nice), almost no games were ever made to actually take advantage of the GPU any more than any other Android device's GPU and in fact the Tegra zone games run just fine on other processors once you remove the device check. O yeah, and it handles almost all native high resolution videos poorly, even in YouTube for crying out loud.
None of the games you mention are Tegra games...not one... Have you seen tegra zone? Its a disgrace. BTW the reason tegra games don't work on other phones is not because our phones are that much superior, but because the game checks to see if your phone has a tegra chip, if it doesn't, it won't even boot, but people have made an app that bypasses this check so even people using the SGS2 can play our so called "unique to tegra" games.
Sorry, not to be rude or offensive, but I don't think you know what you're talking about =\
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Most of the other phones that don't have a Nvidia chip has massive framerate drops and struggle to play these new breed of cellphone games smoothly.
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^^ is pretty funny hehe
EDIT: I might be wrong about the way the phone plays Tegra games, I believe Tegra specific games are coded differently (NOT STANDARD) so that's why other phones can't play them. Some smart people made an app that can read this code and play the game on phones like the Galaxy S2, I remember reading about it when the SGS2 barely came out.
Either way...
JaiaV said:
Sorry, but between NVIDIA's insane attitude towards open source software and companies like LG who are utterly inept at properly coding, maintaining and updating Android devices...no. Without the necessary code to update and improve the phone ourselves without tons of necessary workaround coding that is having to be done to port updates (like ICS) to our phones, dev support for Tegra 2 devices will be slim in the next year or so. There is absolutely no doubt that LG will delay, waffle and even possibly just never update the G2x in the first place, and that's hoping that update won't be another buggy mess that has to be cleaned up by independent developers in the first place like the Froyo and Gingerbread builds were.
I'll pass on buying another NVIDIA product. I stopped buying their PC products a LONG time ago because of their poor support and quality (don't even get me started on their Linux drivers), and I should have stayed away from their mobile processors too.
That's not even beginning to counter your assertions that most of the games you mention only run on Tegra processors well. The Tegra 2 isn't the best mobile processor by any means (although it is nice), almost no games were ever made to actually take advantage of the GPU any more than any other Android device's GPU and in fact the Tegra zone games run just fine on other processors once you remove the device check. O yeah, and it handles almost all native high resolution videos poorly, even in YouTube for crying out loud.
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a lot of your complaints seem to not be g2x specific. everyone is having the exact same problems the g2x is having with ICS because its the same problem across all boards. a lot of drivers are not open sourced. even in the source release drivers are compiled and presented as modules. the reason it seems worse for the g2x is because there are so few tegra 2 devices to rip files from. there are tons of snap dragon and hummingbird devices out there that its easier to fix some problems. what your asking from
nvidia is more then what you will get from anyone else you might jump too
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a lot of your complaints seem to not be g2x specific. everyone is having the exact same problems the g2x is having with ICS because its the same problem across all boards. a lot of drivers are not open sourced. even in the source release drivers are compiled and presented as modules. the reason it seems worse for the g2x is because there are so few tegra 2 devices to rip files from. there are tons of snap dragon and hummingbird devices out there that its easier to fix some problems. what your asking from
nvidia is more then what you will get from anyone else you might jump too
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Believe it or not, Qualcomm releases open source for their chips (and devs like the CM team are having an extremely easy time of porting ICS to many of those devices for that very same reason, OMAP4 is just first as the Galaxy Nexus is OMAP4 itself and therefore faster to port). Your post appeared to be about the Tegra 2 chipset, which is why you got a response about the Tegra 2 chipset. While my complaints are not necessarily G2x specific, they are very much so about the Tegra 2, and by extension all are also directly related to the G2x as all of them exist on the G2x also due to it being run by the very same chipset...
Its amazing how when someone comes along with an educated opinion, how many omniscient people are members here. We should change the name from xda to I know everything and everyone else is wrong. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Nice point bro, nvidia does do games well. They don't have to make them, their job is to run them efficiently.
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On a positive note:
1. The Tegra 2 really is a nice chipset, it does some graphics very well and while some of the Adreno models are superior they don't tend to have well coded drivers on some phones.
2. NVFlash - While in some ways this is limiting (not being able to flash the recovery otherwise, Rom Manager isn't really great on Tegra 2 devices as you cannot use the recovery on the actual recovery partition), this pretty much makes the phone nearly unbrickable and far easier to root than many other devices being as you can just NVFlash CWM and flash away.
3. I love my G2x and would love to use it as my daily driver for at least another year or so, unless some phone comes out that has both amazing processing power AND vastly improved battery technology. Batteries are really what is holding mobile computing back at this time, and current battery technology is why the battery life on new cell phones and devices like the 3DS and (reportedly) the Vita suffer, as while processing power has increased exponentially, battery life has not really improved at all.
Now, it does have some issues:
1. NVIDIA is not likely to ever release source, which pretty much spells death for the phone as far as updates are concerned as soon as LG stops updating the phone or NVIDIA has a change of heart. LG's update history is pretty sordid. Devs WILL get tired of trying to find workarounds to get basic hardware functions like hardware acceleration, sound, and bluetooth working when other phones have hardware that is far easier to code for (and often with open sourced drivers, at least enough to update the drivers to run on newer versions of Android).
2. There are issues with certain (many) formats of video running in 720/1080p that the Tegra 2 chipset stutters on. As there is no hardware acceleration for these video formats in the Tegra 2, it all has to be done in software which these devices seem to have trouble with.
3. The Tegra 2 has a limited amount of bus to work with, while not a problem most of the time and helped by the decent amount of cache on the chip, this occasionally causes some traffic jams.
4. The G2x has a somewhat limited amount of RAM with only 512MB total and a good chunk of that dedicated to the GPU. That said, that's really not that bad considering just how recent being able to have that much RAM was possible in such a small device really is.
Note: I am not an expert by any means and what I say is not to be taken as the absolute truth. I am merely a device enthusiast who happens to really love his Asus Transformer and G2x (both Tegra 2 devices) and I try to spend time learning about how they work and hoping that those with far more skill than I will ever have continue to love and support our wonderful toys.
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Its amazing how when someone comes along with an educated opinion, how many omniscient people are members here. We should change the name from xda to I know everything and everyone else is wrong. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Nice point bro, nvidia does do games well. They don't have to make them, their job is to run them efficiently.
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I'll cut my left nut before i buy another NVIDIA phone, even LG is not getting my business, had ti buy 3 TVs for xmas, guess what was one of my choices ....LG and guess what even tho they were cheap i did not buy them, same thing goes with the next rig i build NO NVIDIA. They did us soo bad with the ****ty GB update, if it wasn't because of the lawsuit we would have never received it, thanks cm team, the hell with NVIDIA & LG. If i want cool graphics ill play 360 or ps3, i want my phone fast, smooth and trouble free.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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I'll cut my left nut before i buy another NVIDIA phone, even LG is not getting my business, had ti buy 3 TVs for xmas, guess what was one of my choices ....LG and guess what even tho they were cheap i did not buy them, same thing goes with the next rig i build NO NVIDIA. They did us soo bad with the ****ty GB update, if it wasn't because of the lawsuit we would have never received it, thanks cm team, the hell with NVIDIA & LG. If i want cool graphics ill play 360 or ps3, i want my phone fast, smooth and trouble free.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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Off topic, but if you don't want to deal with NVIDIA, AMD makes some very nice video cards that have been properly trouncing NVIDIA's offerings for over a year now, AND they have far more open source and Linux support available to boot! They also designed the GPUs in the Wii and the 360 (the 360's GPU was actually fairly impressive at the time and Nintendo buys older, cheaper and more stable hardware on purpose, which the GPU in the Wii is). Also, all Adreno GPUs are actually based on the ATi Imageon GPUs.
I say stay with nvidia its not out fault cyanogen mod is so stubborn that they have to not use the original drivers just so there build.prop says 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 there's no difference
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I'll stick to boycotting nvidia. I'd rather my money goes to a company that will support me. I'd also rather own a phone that isn't a nightmare for devs to upgrade that devs will probably lose interesting in developing for sooner.
ZeroT| Demented said:
I say stay with nvidia its not out fault cyanogen mod is so stubborn that they have to not use the original drivers just so there build.prop says 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 there's no difference
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I'll stick to boycotting nvidia. I'd rather my money goes to a company that will support me. I'd also rather own a phone that isn't a nightmare for devs to upgrade that devs will probably lose interesting in developing for sooner.
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+1 you mean sooner as in lost interest now...
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
G2X is king.
We will have ICS soon enough once cyanogenmod team releases it. What our devs did on here was kind as we got to play around on the beta rom, nobody should be complaining about any issues on it.
Bottom line= our phones our the best gaming mobiles til tegra 3 comes out( or intel releases their mobile with AMD gpu?) Ya some phones can play some of our exclusive THD games but not all of them, i bet not as smoothly either.
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ZeroT| Demented said:
I say stay with nvidia its not out fault cyanogen mod is so stubborn that they have to not use the original drivers just so there build.prop says 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 there's no difference
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Oh man... So much fail in this statement.
I will never get another nvidia powered mobile device. Even if you pay me. Such a crap.
I dont care for CM much.
What I want I real support from both LG and Nvidia. Not half assed responses and their blame game.
While, I admint its good gaming platform, it underperforms with playing of 1080p videos.
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JaiaV said:
Sorry, but between NVIDIA's insane attitude towards open source software and companies like LG who are utterly inept at properly coding, maintaining and updating Android devices...no. Without the necessary code to update and improve the phone ourselves without tons of necessary workaround coding that is having to be done to port updates (like ICS) to our phones, dev support for Tegra 2 devices will be slim in the next year or so. There is absolutely no doubt that LG will delay, waffle and even possibly just never update the G2x in the first place, and that's hoping that update won't be another buggy mess that has to be cleaned up by independent developers in the first place like the Froyo and Gingerbread builds were.
I'll pass on buying another NVIDIA product. I stopped buying their PC products a LONG time ago because of their poor support and quality (don't even get me started on their Linux drivers), and I should have stayed away from their mobile processors too.
That's not even beginning to counter your assertions that most of the games you mention only run on Tegra processors well. The Tegra 2 isn't the best mobile processor by any means (although it is nice), almost no games were ever made to actually take advantage of the GPU any more than any other Android device's GPU and in fact the Tegra zone games run just fine on other processors once you remove the device check. O yeah, and it handles almost all native high resolution videos poorly, even in YouTube for crying out loud.
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1. A bunch of yahoos seem to want to be the first to get ICS to boot on any device....this exercises is a complete waste. Your panties are all bunched up just to keep up with the Jones' down the street. Congrats
2. ICS is coming to the G2x in the first batch of devices that did not ship with it. Yes that is not fast enough for babies. Waaaa Waaaa They could just buy a device that ships with ICS. ".....crying out loud." awwwww
3. According to your logic, ever device and supplier to every device, sucks because a custom ROM was generated. Those superhero DEVs had to swoop in and fix everything.
4. The device that was perfect on its day of release that did not need a custom ROM is? What is the name of this unicorn of unicorn devices?
5. I don't believer there is a better game phone on the market right now....maybe some peers but nothing better of any significance. Are you upset about the ability of the G2X to run any games?
6. G2x not going through the menus fast enough for you? Really?
7. Just another complaint for the sake of benchmarking, or saying you have ICS first? Or is their something your phone is not doing for you? Something broken, that all these ROM available dispite LG and Nvidia is still having you want?
9. Any apps that you can not run?
I know you want to toss a tantrum on not having ICS, or scared that daddy won't provide you with ICS fast enough, but why so slow with your protest? Why not just get the heck out of here? Terminate your contract with T-Mobile, sell your phone for 200 easy, pay the 200 terminate fee, and go out and buy the phone that fills that empy void. Its does not cost you a thing to leave.
Or perhaps buying ICS is beyond your ability to not complain? Boycott this or that. Whinnnnnnnnne. The world of angst solved by just buying the phone you wanted for Christmas....how hard is this?
Yes ICS is not on the G2x when it released 8 months ago....it is so very terrible for this to be done to you. Nvidia and LG so very terrible to you. You poor little thing you.
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1. A bunch of yahoos seem to want to be the first to get ICS to boot on any device....this exercises is a complete waste. Your panties are all bunched up just to keep up with the Jones' down the street. Congrats
2. ICS is coming to the G2x in the first batch of devices that did not ship with it. Yes that is not fast enough for babies. Waaaa Waaaa They could just buy a device that ships with ICS. ".....crying out loud." awwwww
3. According to your logic, ever device and supplier to every device, sucks because a custom ROM was generated. Those superhero DEVs had to swoop in and fix everything.
4. The device that was perfect on its day of release that did not need a custom ROM is? What is the name of this unicorn of unicorn devices?
5. I don't believer there is a better game phone on the market right now....maybe some peers but nothing better of any significance. Are you upset about the ability of the G2X to run any games?
6. G2x not going through the menus fast enough for you? Really?
7. Just another complaint for the sake of benchmarking, or saying you have ICS first? Or is their something your phone is not doing for you? Something broken, that all these ROM available dispite LG and Nvidia is still having you want?
9. Any apps that you can not run?
I know you want to toss a tantrum on not having ICS, or scared that daddy won't provide you with ICS fast enough, but why so slow with your protest? Why not just get the heck out of here? Terminate your contract with T-Mobile, sell your phone for 200 easy, pay the 200 terminate fee, and go out and buy the phone that fills that empy void. Its does not cost you a thing to leave.
Or perhaps buying ICS is beyond your ability to not complain? Boycott this or that. Whinnnnnnnnne. The world of angst solved by just buying the phone you wanted for Christmas....how hard is this?
Yes ICS is not on the G2x when it released 8 months ago....it is so very terrible for this to be done to you. Nvidia and LG so very terrible to you. You poor little thing you.
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Are you aware how off topic your reply was? His complaint is with the fact that nvidia and/or LG make it unnecessarily difficult to make custom roms for the g2x due to a lack of embracing the Android community and open source.
It's why cm7 and MIUI run smoother on the vastly underpowered nexus one than the G2x.
An ics port would be done by now if not for the devs having to work around these restrictions.
I am not bothering to argue why boycotting NVIDIA is necessary, there's plenty of reasons to. The G2X is the last anything with NVIDIA I buy and probably LG too.
Again video game software has always influenced computer manufacturers to develop more powerful hardware, and modern day cell phones are minature PCs.
Most of the people advocating boycotting Nvidia don't realize this trend that smartphones will advance in power because of gaming apps.
I have always been a gamer and creating virtual worlds has been about how much polygons a CPU/GPU can generate per second. This is crucial.
Nvidia has been in this game a very long time on the PC side and their years of R&D has minaturized a power efficient dual and now quadcore chip that can run for hours on battery.
The Nvidia Tegra has put the Android platform on the map and made it here to stay. They will be the leader as far as the future of cellphones are concerned.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who actually found it the right time to upgrade to a smartphone such as the G2x because it was marketed as a TRUE GAMING superphone that could generate xbox like graphics.
I'll bet alot of hardcore PC gamers who are tired of lugging around their laptop will invest in Nvidia Tegra cellphones. Nvidia knows this and will capture this huge market.
Hey peeps just wondering how to make a rom?
I got a 6core processor, 8gb ram, gtx 470 gc and lots of space. I really want to dip my hands and create one. I must run linux and which one should i use?
I have w7 u,
Listen I am seriously I want to make my own rom, maybe to share but really just see how it works and consumes life!
I love my G2X and wouldnt trade it for anything other than something better! Really I love this phone and would like to make something so share knowledge my friends!
Edit; I think if this was available we could muster in some new talent or beable to make our own super custom roms and hear the headaches from users about why this and that dont work!
jetbruceli said:
Hey peeps just wondering how to make a rom?
I got a 6core processor, 8gb ram, gtx 470 gc and lots of space. I really want to dip my hands and create one. I must run linux and which one should i use?
I have w7 u,
Listen I am seriously I want to make my own rom, maybe to share but really just see how it works and consumes life!
I love my G2X and wouldnt trade it for anything other than something better! Really I love this phone and would like to make something so share knowledge my friends!
Edit; I think if this was available we could muster in some new talent or beable to make our own super custom roms and hear the headaches from users about why this and that dont work!
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I'm no Dev or genius for that matter but when I wanna learn something I just Google my questions and 99.9% of the time I find out. There's always YouTube also which can be even more helpful sometimes compared to just reading a guide online.
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i dont want just a rom, i want a g2x rom!
Look here.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067519
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jetbruceli said:
Hey peeps just wondering how to make a rom?
I got a 6core processor, 8gb ram, gtx 470 gc and lots of space. I really want to dip my hands and create one. I must run linux and which one should i use?
I have w7 u,
Listen I am seriously I want to make my own rom, maybe to share but really just see how it works and consumes life!
I love my G2X and wouldnt trade it for anything other than something better! Really I love this phone and would like to make something so share knowledge my friends!
Edit; I think if this was available we could muster in some new talent or beable to make our own super custom roms and hear the headaches from users about why this and that dont work!
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Just to update you information the specs state a Quad core (4 not 6).
Well building roms isnt something you can just jump into. But if you want to learn i would suggest building cm from source.
After you can figure that out start working on modding ota roms and adding functions like extended power menu, notification toggles, init support, etc etc.
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Go play Battlefield instead ;D
FatalityBoyZahy said:
Go play Battlefield instead ;D
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Doing that while waiting to figure this out.
Nvidia always!
GTWalling said:
Just to update you information the specs state a Quad core (4 not 6).
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I am sure I will be ok with a 6 core and I only stating what I had because I heard u needed a power horse for ics
Nvidia always!
jetbruceli said:
I am sure I will be ok with a 6 core and I only stating what I had because I heard u needed a power horse for ics
Nvidia always!
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6core is better then 4 core for compiling source. My phenom ii x6 1090t burns through building ics and gb with ease. More cores means more active threads running at once. Make sure you have adequate cooling and the rig you described can do it easy.
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If you really want to make a ROM, why don't you learn c c++ and java to contribute to cm. C for the kernel, c++ for part of the cm source and java for apps and some of cm.
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I am sure I will be ok with a 6 core and I only stating what I had because I heard u needed a power horse for ics
Nvidia always!
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I was pointing out that what you state is not correct. "I got a 6core processor, 8gb ram, gtx 470 gc". This is not a 6 core but a 4 (quad) core base on the website specs. You have a Quad core not 6 unless you miss stated what your device is.
May i suggest that if anyone wants to learn how to make a ROM, i suggest not diving head first into ROMs, but start out learning how to theme. This way, you get a feel for exactly which apks control what, and as you grow more comfortable with modding how they look, you can start tinkering with how they perform. Also, it wouldn't hurt to learn how kernels work, so performance scripting can be another weapon to use. Research is the key. The best ROMs take lots of time to develop, the more you know about them, the better the outcome will be.
Just my opinion.
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doing that while waiting to figure this out.
Nvidia always!
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a future developer, and battlefield player?!?!! I love you.
jetbruceli said:
Doing that while waiting to figure this out.
Nvidia always!
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I am pretty sure playing 2k12 will help you become a much better developer, just sayin
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Well now that my transformer prime is coming I may just leave this phone as is and try to play with that thing
I really just want to compile a rom for my self and maybe release it to you guys. I am always fluxuating between roms and never quite know which to use.
Right now I just came back to cm7 nightly 201. There are just so many to choose from with this phone and I swear I might be the last one keep this phone. I love it with a passion. Just wish one day some one could figure out how to combine the internal sd card to the memory
Nvidia always!
jetbruceli said:
Well now that my transformer prime is coming I may just leave this phone as is and try to play with that thing
I really just want to compile a rom for my self and maybe release it to you guys. I am always fluxuating between roms and never quite know which to use.
Right now I just came back to cm7 nightly 201. There are just so many to choose from with this phone and I swear I might be the last one keep this phone. I love it with a passion. Just wish one day some one could figure out how to combine the internal sd card to the memory
Nvidia always!
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If you really want to take on this challenge I would start here.
http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html
Good luck!
Thanx
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Making a rom isnt something you can learn with ease. Some basic knowledge of programming is required.
So a partial spec list for the iPhone 5 was released, and it mentioned the processor being 1 GHz. Now lets assume that this is a dual core CPU, and lets also assume that there is active GPU rendering as in Android 4.0 +.
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
I'm way too tired to finish this post now, but basically, I'm curious if anyone knows why iOS seems to be so much more efficient than android does.
I refuse to have this turn into the typical VS thread and will just lock it if it does. I would like this to be a discussion about the firmware (as much as we know at least) and anything technical.
please, feel free to correct me of anything i have said.
Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
gagdude said:
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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See i thought it had to do with the dedicated hardware, with the non nexus users getting shafted.
I'm curious of things like... lags in the messaging app. I don't have that many messages (all threads are capped at 450 and 20 pics) yet I still have some bad lag on my phone.
I guess I'm curious if we can get into the reasons why some apps and processes (messaging app etc) will lag, and if there is a known way to improve the issues.
glad to see this hasn't gotten to an outright flame war yet lol
I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
Read here.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
And
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z124gl3b2o3jzx0ll220gfnhmuusu54rk04
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new ion? said:
It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
new ion? said:
It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
new ion? said:
Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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See i run cm9 on my herc, and the lag in the keyboard and messaging app kills me. I hate tw, but im tempted to go go try evo8 just cuz tdj is god.
thebobp said:
No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
Thanks for the link btw, cleared many things up!
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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Lol I figured in was missing out. My next phone probably will be a nexus. But I just can't help but love the powerhouses of non nexus phones.
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new ion? said:
Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics.
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics. (Maybe it's the hardware difference; I'm using GN.)
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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new ion? said:
We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Bought one, dropped it once and the time reset. I'm not spending another 5 mins adjusting it to the right time. Lol.
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
new ion? said:
thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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gagdude said:
What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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there are viruses for everything. and their precious retina display is no better than a 720 one.
I was more referring to people that use both, and aren't total fanboys, what does iOS do better than android?