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Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
HTC in my experience is awefull build quality. After owning four diferent models I have vowed never to own one again. Shame really, apart from the poor camera selection they are designed really well ..... just a shame they fall to bits.
Out of your list, would have to be TG01.
Have you looked at the new Omnia II's? (not the Omnia HD) Theres a full on Iphone/HD lookie-likely and two keyboard models, one a TP2 type and one a blackberry type.
Don't forget the Acer M900 (which is what I currently use) and the more pocket friendly F900.
Touch Pro 2 definetly
Because keyboard is a must for me!
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wizern23 said:
Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
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I had windows mobile and even though preference is a matter of perspective.... windows might be a step in the wrong direction. Back when I had it windows was ahead of its time... but now it seems like its standing still ... like its been stagnant for the last 3 yrs I haven't seen any major differences...from android to winmo is going Back to resistive touch screens... with not so finger friendly gestures because the screens tend to not pick up on the motion... I would really love to see MS step it up and release a new os or 7.0 which I hope makes a major difference. Dont get me wrong for business i would only use winmo or BB... but at this point Android just seems like a wiser choice... its not an ancient OS that will probably bore you quickly. All the phones sound great ... if you want break down and comparisons then go to infosyncworld.com ... they rate the phones for you.
As somebody who's an advocate of Windows Mobile, my honest opinion is that now isn't a good time to buy a WinMo phone at all, especially not for the first time. The only people I would recommend the current batch of WM phones to are people who already use WM, don't want to learn a different system, and REALLY need a new device.
Here's why: Windows Mobile 6 has a real learning curve, and coming from Android you're probably going to find yourself frustrated at a lot of the inconsistencies and complications. Further, WM7 is already on the horizon and I think we'll be getting our first real peeks at it before the year is out. It should be a massive, fundamental overhaul to the way WM works. There's a lot of unanswered questions right now, ESPECIALLY whether WM7 apps will work on WM6 devices and whether it will be possible to upgrade any current WM6 or 6.5 devices to 7. If not, it's possible that application support for WM6 devices might grind to a halt within a year.
If I were in your boots, I'd try to hold on to that G1 as long as you can. By October or November, I think we'll have a better view of the future of WM and it'll be easier to see whether WM will serve your needs going forward.
Now, all this is completely moot if you're rolling in enough dough to just buy a new phone whenever you feel like it. If so, feel free to buy whatever you like.
Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. I really dont care about having to learn how to use windows mobile. Im more interested in the devices themself. My main concern is switching to a device with out a keyboard.
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Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. \\
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Well, that's the problem: we just don't know yet. A lot of people here seem to take it for granted that WM7 will be as "open" as WM6 in terms of porting and the like, but comments from MS make me a lot less confident -- it sounds like WM7 might have much more specific hardware requirements that will keep it from being run on older models. It's POSSIBLE WM7 will be able to be put on, say, a Touch Pro 2, but it's not a foregone conclusion.
All signs point to WM7 being a major upgrade (keep in mind that WM7 has been in development since 6.1 dropped if not longer), and I think it's going to be really disappointing to be stuck with 6.5 once 7 hits.
But if you're looking to roll the dice, the Touch Pro 2 looks like a great phone UNLESS you want to use it as a media player. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a serious weakness there.
yea the 3.5mm jack is a necessity b/c i planned on getting the Motorola S9s or something along that line to use because all of those except the hero are huge or heavy
I personally don’t believe that WM7 will be ready early 2010. It might take until 2011 that we see any WM7device.
TP2 seams currently best HTC choice if you need keyboard. However frankly speaking after having 2 HTC devices (Hermes and Kaiser) with slide keyboards I am not very confident about the durability (quality) of HTC hardware. Both of the devices had after short time issues with the rails and tilt mechanism.
Just recently I went to a shop to have look on the TP2 and the keyboard rails and the tilt seams same crap as previous devices. You can also read many complain in the TP2 section about screen wobbling. Touch HD has a very nice large screen (love large screens) but it is 1 year old technology and performance wise it did not satisfied many people. Furthermore as you are from USA you would need Australian version to able to use in American 3G. But the Device cost still after 1 year some 800-900$
My personal favoured are currently the Samsung Omnia II/i800 and Samsung Omnia II pro (b7610) Specs on the paper and the current reviews are indicating that those are under best devices on the market. Furthermore Samsung has almost entirely covered with additional software the aged WinMo operation platform. Further positive point is the Price. Both Samsung devices are about 100-200 USD cheaper then HTC devices even though they have better CPU; Camera etc.
I agree with Bulldog -- the Omnia II devices look really excellent. I like the design of the TP2 better, but I trust Samsung's build quality more and, feature-wise, it's fantastic.
Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
That for me is an added value to consider before buying
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Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
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Yes you do. This site offers Winmob o/s and Winmob App support to all. If you want cooked roms, look no further than omnia.modaco.com where there are plenty! My Omnia (original one) is currently running a great cooked rom of WM 6.5
Lets also not forget the AMOLED screen either on the new Omnias. I really regret buying my Acer M900, not because its crap - its not - but the new Samsungs look simply stunning. And if you factor in the success of the Omnia, widely regarded as the best Winmob all-rounder, the new Omnias should be spanking!
First of all excuse any horrible grammar typing issues im getting use to a netbook with my huge ass fingers .
Anyways next month my contract with ATT is up thank god! Im moving over to sprint due to better 3g coverage and soon to be 4g in my area! Also ATT is just greedy im going to get so much more with sprint!
Im trying to get a phone that will make me happy! Also i want to develop software for it ive been desktop programming for years but making some apps on a mobile seems like it may be very fun and net some money especially on the right platform!
I currently own an ATT fuze (touch pro1) before that i had a tilt (TyTan II). I know winmo very well been using it since the ipaq 3650, about 10 years ago. I love winmo for many reasons, especially ports of all the old school games from when i was a kid like quake and duke3d! I also love almost all software is free. But Ive come to the conclusion though that i hate winmo on my phone, just do, i think its bulky and slow and glitchee. Winmo is sorda like a pda first to me then a phone second. I want something thats also a nice phone! Something i dont need the stylus for ever!
So i had my heart set on a samsung moment. I recently started running XDAndroid on my touch pro. Im in love with it. I love the OS but i do have some problems with XDAndroid it as it is right now. It kills my battery, theres no speach texting(my rommies moto has this, shes running 2.1 too), the gps, blutooth, and camera dont work, nor does the 3d acceleration.
So heres my question if im patient will XD be full featured and have better battery life? Im thinking about getting a touch pro 2 when i switch to sprint now. I want android as my primary OS, but i think it would be nice to also have access to winmo as its been a piece of me for so long. The sad thing is i know winmo 7 is coming out looks great but its a whole revamp and MS wants to dictate to the hardware vendors everything down to the button layout (i hate this, its going to be like an iphone no vendor customization), so im assuming that a touch pro 2 will never get an offical release of winmo7 and may not even meet the hardware requirments?
The whole reason i want the TP2 is in hopes that Android will run flawlessy on it with all the same features as a native phone, and that i will be able to update the tp2 to windows7 since it will make all other winmo phones obselete the day it comes out.
The whole reason i want android is becuase i belive its much better than the current winmo phones. I also belive its a better platform to jump on the band wagon for, as far as writing apps. I truly believe android will surpass the iphone in a few years. This is a really solid platform to get involved with.
So TP2 or Samsung moment? If i put all may cards on a flawless version of XDAndroid with all are hardware working and the battery life and freezing issues resloved will i be let down? Also will i be let down if i want my tp2 to run winmo7? Basically im going to the moment if the TP2 cant run winmo7 and if XDAndroid will never be as perfect as a native android device. The moment also has an 800mhz cpu and an AMOLED screen which in my opion is better hardware than the TP2.
Go for Rhodium definitely!!
Great Android work is being done
Let go on WinMo, I know I will be with my next device. I just can't see any point in holding on.
Go Android for sure.
Well i am letting go of winmo for the most part! But my point if anyone knows if XDAndroid will be flawless soon and support all the hardware and rohdium will will go to winmo7 then in all reality the tp2 my be a better device because it will be capable of running any of the os's . If XDanroid wont be perfect netime soon and the tp cant do winmo7 then theres no reason for me to buy it becuase i want android in full working order and the hardware in the samsung is alot better than rohdiums right now.
I am loving the CM7 ROM for the Glacier and wouldn't mind keeping it for as long as I own this handset. As someone curious about the new Windows OS however, I was wondering if it's possible to create a version of the ROM for this phone. I noticed the HTC HD2 seems to be able to run Windows Mobile and Android just fine. Is it just a lucky fluke that it's hardware is compatible with both OS builds?
It is definitely possible for an WP7 ROM, but highly unlikely. The reason the HD2 got so much love is Because WinMo sucks arse cheeks. As a stock phone the MT4G is a great phone, but most of the people who frequent this site want the latest and greatest so that is why you see a lot of ROMs for android.
I can't speak for everyone on this site, IMO it won't happen.
The HD2 was also shipped with windows mobile to begin with, while maybe not the same versionI think it is frowned on a bit less than if you were to take a open device and put a closed os on it. That would be pretty much like buying computer parts real cheap putting the computer together and then stealing (pirating) a copy of windows 7 to put on the hdd, rather than buying the license properly.
So what I am saying I guess is it is not wither the hardware can handle it,which I see no reason it couldn't with driver tweaking. It is more the legality of it and that pirating is not allowed here!
I appreciate the reply. This is actually the first generation of Windows Mobile that even has me interested in taking it for a test drive. All of the previous versions reminded me of a poor version of the desktop OS.
My only interest in it s the gaming aspect, Android continuously disappointments me with the gaming options.
the only reason why HD2 is able to do WM7 and android is because, WM7 has the same type of architecture setup and the android is running off the SD card via Linux overlay. and honestly i used the HD2 for a bit for android and its a bit of a mess. they might come out with WM7 on MT4G but i dont think gaming will be any better on WM7.
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My only interest in it s the gaming aspect, Android continuously disappointments me with the gaming options.
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Just wait until the PSP Androids take off...
No way MT4G will get windows rom.
The reason HD2 got Android and WP7 running because it is exactly the same phone as Evo and HD7 so porting was relatively easy. MT4G has different processor then any current WP7 phones and this processor is not supported by WP7.
I myself would be very interested in a windows phone port. just so I can change to WP7, watch some netflix, then switch back to android when I'm done.
I doubt it. U might have to pick up an HD2 if u want to dual boot Windows 7 and Android. U can find them for cheap on craigslist these days because most users who don't hack their phones, seemingly can't see the potential in HD2s. They are very good phones once u stray away from windows 6.5 IMO
I think the reason why the developers spend about 5 months trying to make the port to the HD2 was because one windows mobile is obsolete, second the fact that Microsoft and HTC were not going to update HD2 to WP7 because of Microsoft's lame excuse of the fact that the device had to many buttons BS! and lastly when the HD7 came out everyone was pissed to the fact that the HD7 was an exact replica (hardware) of the HD2's. I have WP7 on my HD2 it runs perfect with no bugs at all, but coming from android IMO is a bit boring OS as its not open source as android.
Now WP7 on the MT4G will never happen. I don't think developers such as Cotulla will try to spend months once again on trying to port WP7 to another device I think they were just trying to prove a point and they did
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I doubt it. U might have to pick up an HD2 if u want to dual boot Windows 7 and Android. U can find them for cheap on craigslist these days because most users who don't hack their phones, seemingly can't see the potential in HD2s. They are very good phones once u stray away from windows 6.5 IMO
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This is super true
I honestly had no idea of how much support exists for this device until my Uncle asked me to put Android on his...
I was like ... I don't think I could do that, unk..
But it was actually pretty easy, almost too easy. Makes me want to grab one for a cheap tinker toy to fit right nicely into the tiny gap between my MT4G and my NookColor.
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the only reason why HD2 is able to do WM7 and android is because, WM7 has the same type of architecture setup and the android is running off the SD card via Linux overlay. and honestly i used the HD2 for a bit for android and its a bit of a mess. they might come out with WM7 on MT4G but i dont think gaming will be any better on WM7.
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I would agree partially. I have an HD2 as well as the MT4G. MDJs CM7 runs flawfless on the HD2! I will never flash any other rom for it unless he has updates. Its so smooth and snappy you would never believe the HD2 wasn't an Android device. The beauty of it is that, with MDJs CM7 rom, the HD2 battery life puts the MT4G to shame. 1-2ma battery drain on standby! Best backup phone ever!
You can get a home screen app on the market that "trys" to simulate a windows 7 fone but is lacking in features =\ BoL
Hi guys.
i know some people will say this has been asked before, but i am posting from the date from today.
I want to buy a HD2, but i don't know whether it is the right time...
Because now it has the success of WP7 and Android, I'm wondering if ti is still worth it. The hardware seems abit old now, but it is essentially the same as a HD7.
ATM, i have a TG01, (snapdragon 1GHz WINMO, resistive) So i'm experienced with the speed But however, in our forum, there are soo few active members and cooks - not much support. the resistive touchscreen and Also the lack of RAM is driving me insane. (only 55mb on boot with sense 2.5 + winmo 6.5.x) So one reason of the HD2 is the RAM and the screen... On the other hand i have a tab. It isnt just mine specifically it is my family's. So i dont get to use it all the time and personalize it. (the orange san francisco isnt mine anymore btw, i gave it to my brother)
So i only really have a TG01. I have been using Winmo for a long time, but now everyone is making the switch to Android. So if i get the HD2, will i have good battery life performance etc. I will probs be using WP7 and Android. Is WP7 working perfectly yet? i know we can access the live sevices but will microsoft be continually be patching it? All my friends are using android.. should i use android on the HD2 or just get an android device?
And the hardware... do you think it is still powerful enough? how much longer will the community last for? When i got my Tg01, within 3 months the XDA forum was empty! they all sold and got an Android device or HD2.
So i get it know will the timing be right? Will devs still be cooking for WM and upgrading Android etc? Or will they move on? Because i see alot of members selling their HD2 for a DHD or other android devices. I dont think i can afford a DHD...
I'm really stuck here... I don't know if i should get the device or not... Should i wait? Or wait for what device? I know when the dual cores come out, they will be far too expensive!
Where can i get a cheap HD2 from? Can any one point me to one £150-£180?
Thank you to all who reply!
Im using 3GS right now and will either upgrade to a WP or IP4/5, I am sick of Android feeling like its still in a beta stage and freezing, closing apps, lagging no matter what phone. Anyway back when I used the focus the UI was amazing! But it was missing features...IOS is great! Time for some new features though imo, has WP7 been upgraded to more features? And how long will those updates last for the current WP's? What in your opinion is the best WP? And ultimatly what do you think is better? Hopefully Apple announces what IOS5 will be like. I really like WP7 but it felt like it needed time to get more features and some Apps were not optimized properly(ebay) but wow! That os is like butter! If it keeps getting features I may have to go WP! Especially if IOS5 is the same old, But for now I guess I gotta stay IOS.
maybe you should wait until fall or september,then both iphone 4s and major updates for WP7 are released,that time you can make a better comparison.which phone to buy...
The Fall Update to WP is a pretty big one, and new hardware will come out with it so I'd wait. The OS as it is, is to me the best designed out there, and the features people have been aching for are almost all coming with Mango (the fall OS update). Its going to be pretty nice, but ultimately up to you what you like most.
you've already pointed out that ios is complete and mature, try a friends phone around christmas and see if wp7 updates are all they're claimed to be...
the iPhone/iOS really is matured. You know where the saying comes from "There is an app for that".
I am still missing a lot of apps I was using on the iPhone, which are not (yet) available for WP7. But I really like the look of feel of WP7.
Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
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Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
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IMO the UI on Wp7 blows iOS out of the water. It's simple yet still highly functional. I keep making my older and less technical users go to WP7 devices. They all seem to love it and I see them on their phones all the time - I'm sure their productivity is tanking lol.
Ignorance is Bliss, as they say.
But I'd wait until Mango and IP5 is our and make a more informed decision.
Right now WP7 can't hold a candle to iOS, but the update will be big. Unfortunately it's months off so you'll have to use a phone that has 30+% less functionality than your 3GS and many showstoppers (and lack of Apps) if you upgrade NOW.
I'd wait.
Wait for iPhone4S/5 and WP7 Mango update, and then decide. You might look into Samsung Galaxy SII as well, it's very fast. Maybe more device coming out with Dualcore/Quadcore that improves Android. WP7 is still in beta stage imho.
I've been using wp7 since October when I replaced my 3gs, and I've missed nothing so far.and that's been very honest, the thing is all I use to use on the iPhone was Facebook eBay satnav n a few more apps so the 300k appstore didn't matter to me. You've gotta think about the features and apps u need. Upgrading to wp7 guarantee u mango update regardless of the handset you choose.
Wp7 Focus
wp7 for sure, the metro UI is amazing.
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
opti7 said:
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
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Functionality is more than coming:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
Marketplace is already pretty good considering dev's cant create certain apps yet (Mango SDK will have all the 1500+ API's available, many of which will be used to create these lacking apps).
If you are looking for heavy modification, it may not be the platform for you, but people will definitely be modding it. Just not the extent WM & Android users are probably used to.
I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
As some have already said, I would probably wait for the Mango update and iPhone 5 before making the decision. I got a WP7 and I really enjoy it, but I think to make a fair choice, you should wait to pick between the two.
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I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
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Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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If the OS is up to par with IOS in terms of features and Apps by the time Nokias phone comes, thats my next phone, Nokia=Fantastic hardware+Camera, Crap Symbian...