Database Info

Virtual memory (swap) on SD Card (WM6)

Hello everybody. I want to know if there is a way (a methode or a software) to create virtual memory on the SD Card and use it as RAM memory (like the swap file in Windows XP).I Have a HTC Trinity WM6 with FAMAN 4.03 beta3 ROM.
And thanx

Why would you want to do this? Most memory cards have very low read & write speeds compared to the real ram so it would slow your device down a lot.

I want to play some games that use huge space of ram (such as call of duty 2, syberia 1 & 2 ...)

Just hunt down in the specific forum for your phone and examine the different ROMs available. You might find one that is maximized for high available RAM. With my Wizard i've found ROMs that can range from 20mb free to 30mb free. Just have to do some digging. Good thing that some ROM cooks provide screenshots of the memory settings page so you can see the available program/storage memory available.

Thank you for the reply, i'll do that.. by the way, were can I find a good software to optimize RAM

SKtools
You may want to try SKtools Auto Clean. But don't expect a revolution ...

I did the memory maid test and it said that the system could read and write at 100Mbyte/s having something to do with the SD card, so it must be possible, although the cards external readings where 8 Mbyte/s

you are misreading something somewhere
even the fastests harddisks rarely do 100MB/sec
fast sdcards do 8MB/sec but only in readers
the sd interface of pda's prob can't read more then 2MB/sec
you can bench using pocket mechanics

even though it is not practical i still am interested in using sd card as swap space can it be done? has it been done?

WinMo doesn't support swap concept.
If you are out of RAM, you are out of RAM.

stepw said:
WinMo doesn't support swap concept.
If you are out of RAM, you are out of RAM.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
SUCKS!
Titan always has a problem even with the best roms

This is probably off topic, but, where can i find that tweak that speeds up sd card transfer rate, i read about it somewhere but can't find it now.

Search for tnyynt sd card tune-up.

meys_toumi said:
Hello everybody. I want to know if there is a way (a methode or a software) to create virtual memory on the SD Card and use it as RAM memory (like the swap file in Windows XP).I Have a HTC Trinity WM6 with FAMAN 4.03 beta3 ROM.
And thanx
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you rescue a problem ? I have WM6.5 and I want make too a virtual memory on the SD Card. I have HTC p3600. What can I do ? Thenks !!

combining memory on touch pro

Hi all, I'm not sure if it is already done, but when I open memory to see how much I spend and how much is still left I see that the phone splits memory for data use and memory for program use. is it possible to combine those to program use only? or does the pro does that automatic when program mem is full? because I bought a microsdhc cart and all my data is doing on that.
thanks in advanced!

You must be new to Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile devices has 2 types of memory, RAM and ROM. Since WM5, RAM is used to maintain running processes. ROM is used as storage (unlike pre WM5, where RAM is splitted between storage and running programs and ROM storage is hidden).
Touch Pro has 288MB RAM (about 200MB usable) and 512MB ROM (about 318MB usable). This is due to the amount of RAM used by OS (while running) and ROM used by OS (in storage).
When you insert your MicroSD card, you'll see a new folder in File Explorer. It's called Storage Card.
So, in simple statement, no, you can't combined the memory as they are different types of memory.

in other words, its like trying to combine your desktop PC RAM memory with DVD disk storage space.

lol okay I very much understand what your saying. I am new at wm idd. but hell no with computers I actually do a study Informatica but just didnt knew how wm was made or never really looked into it. I thought it was just like a harddisk on a pc were you install your programs & data like music. and it uses the RAM memory for running programs I installed on the harddisk. but never mind very much thnx for the explanation!

512 is not enough ...

Hi,
I have the ChaCha of a few days now ... GREAT device; I love the qwerty keyboard, its even better as my Blackberry qwerty for sure....
BUT 512 MB onboard is not enough, I try to move as much as possible apps to my SD ... but still only 12MB free....
SO maybe in a next ChaCha version more ram ... (and an other color )

chacha dont have 512mb for apps.
its only aprox. 150mb.

I cannot understand why are qwerty alway potraiting as low end device.

I don't think that. ChaCha is like Desire Z with worsest Screen and less internal memory. All other things are similar.

The overall experience is great! But the memory is a pain in the ass

yes, it's too small, I almost forgot app2sd thing for 2 years, but seems now have to use it again in chacha

xivius said:
Hi,
I have the ChaCha of a few days now ... GREAT device; I love the qwerty keyboard, its even better as my Blackberry qwerty for sure....
BUT 512 MB onboard is not enough, I try to move as much as possible apps to my SD ... but still only 12MB free....
SO maybe in a next ChaCha version more ram ... (and an other color )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
RAM is not the same thing as internal storage, FYI. And yes, the internal storage is pitiful, but if there was 512MB of it, the situation would be much better. 512MB is adequate for the RAM, unfortunately that isn't the case for the onboard storage.

I cannot understand why are qwerty alway potraiting as low end device.

I don't think that. ChaCha is like Desire Z with worsest Screen and less internal memory. All other things are similar.

The overall experience is great! But the memory is a pain in the ass

yes, it's too small, I almost forgot app2sd thing for 2 years, but seems now have to use it again in chacha

SO maybe in a next ChaCha version more ram ... (and an other color )

The 150MB internal memory is really ridiculous! I'm constantly getting the "not enough memory" when I try to install a new app or even when I try to open standard things like Facebook!! It's been 2 days now I can't seem to open the Facebook for HTC application with the dedicated Facebook button. It keeps saying that I need at least 5120KB of free memory, but I can't free up more memory. I've copied all the possible apps to the SD card en I constantly remove cache memory of ALL the applications, but still it is not enough to free up 5120KB!! Aaaarrrggghhh... :s someone please provide us with a new ROM so we can dedicate virtual memory as internal memory!

Belasito said:
The 150MB internal memory is really ridiculous! I'm constantly getting the "not enough memory" when I try to install a new app or even when I try to open standard things like Facebook!! It's been 2 days now I can't seem to open the Facebook for HTC application with the dedicated Facebook button. It keeps saying that I need at least 5120KB of free memory, but I can't free up more memory. I've copied all the possible apps to the SD card en I constantly remove cache memory of ALL the applications, but still it is not enough to free up 5120KB!! Aaaarrrggghhh... :s someone please provide us with a new ROM so we can dedicate virtual memory as internal memory!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I couldn't agree more. That's the most annoying thing ever! I'm sick of it... Especially that almost all google apps can't synchronize while we have this issue.. That's really unacceptable...

Belasito said:
The 150MB internal memory is really ridiculous! I'm constantly getting the "not enough memory" when I try to install a new app or even when I try to open standard things like Facebook!! It's been 2 days now I can't seem to open the Facebook for HTC application with the dedicated Facebook button. It keeps saying that I need at least 5120KB of free memory, but I can't free up more memory. I've copied all the possible apps to the SD card en I constantly remove cache memory of ALL the applications, but still it is not enough to free up 5120KB!! Aaaarrrggghhh... :s someone please provide us with a new ROM so we can dedicate virtual memory as internal memory!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So the Status only has 150M free internal storage? Wow, that's terrible.. My Nexus 1 on stock ROM only has 190M.
Froyo Apps2SD can only help so much here. Wife is looking at this phone, but the weird screen res/orientation, quirky ROM, insufficient storage..... Not so sure.

Belasito said:
The 150MB internal memory is really ridiculous! I'm constantly getting the "not enough memory" when I try to install a new app or even when I try to open standard things like Facebook!! It's been 2 days now I can't seem to open the Facebook for HTC application with the dedicated Facebook button. It keeps saying that I need at least 5120KB of free memory, but I can't free up more memory. I've copied all the possible apps to the SD card en I constantly remove cache memory of ALL the applications, but still it is not enough to free up 5120KB!! Aaaarrrggghhh... :s someone please provide us with a new ROM so we can dedicate virtual memory as internal memory!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, that sucks. I was stuck at 2 MB free even after moving my apps to SD until I finally just did a factory reset. Then, I set my default app install location to SD card (http://androinica.com/2010/08/how-to-install-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-on-android-2-2-froyo/) and from then I settled to 20-30 MB of free space after reinstalling all my apps. Not a lot, but enough, and definitely better than 2 MB.
That's the best solution I can think of until we get some smaller ROMs out.

da-vid said:
Yeah, that sucks. I was stuck at 2 MB free even after moving my apps to SD until I finally just did a factory reset. Then, I set my default app install location to SD card (http://androinica.com/2010/08/how-to-install-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-on-android-2-2-froyo/) and from then I settled to 20-30 MB of free space after reinstalling all my apps. Not a lot, but enough, and definitely better than 2 MB.
That's the best solution I can think of until we get some smaller ROMs out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Smaller ROMs wouldn't help, unless I'm misunderstanding what you guys are discussing.. Considering there some talk of "memory"... well anwyay.
Unless the ROMs partitioned differently, the ROM is generally in /system and the user apps are in /data, which sounds like it's around a 250M partition. dalvik-cache and some other stuff is going to always be in there, reducing the actual effective available space.
Anyway. Wife is still semi-interested, I'll poke on the phone when we see one.

no choice, have to wait for root & app2sd, that will resolve the problem...

Im using galaxy S2 and bought one chacha for my wife, when using it, except the keyboard, I felt like drop from heaven to hell

S2 is the size of a table tho. Horses for courses!
Sent from my HTC ChaCha A810e using Tapatalk

[Q] Internal Storage 2gb?!

I was really excited about the new HTC One X, did lots of research on it and watched plenty of reviews. I was already convinced that I was going to buy it, however I went to a store to test it out today, and found out that they still had that internal storage(2gb) and external storage(now they call it phone storage)... I was disappointed. I was told that the Galaxy Nexus did not have this option anymore you could use all of the 16gb/32gb to dl apps and store everything else. The main reason I wanted to switch from my HTC Desire HD is because I only had 1gb of internal storage. I am a heavy app user, every single time I want to try a new app or update me current apps, my phone just tells me that I have low internal memory space. I had to delete my emails, my msgs, and a lot of my games. If I didnt make space in my internal memory I wouldnt be able to sync my accounts or update my apps.
Anyways I just want someone to clarify to me that the whole internal storage for the HTC One X work the same way as the Galaxy Nexus or Iphone 4S. Or is it still the same like the HTC Desire, that you can only use 2gb to store dl apps. I know that you can move games into the sd cards but widgets, emails, msgs and saved games must be in the internal storage.

rickywz said:
I was really excited about the new HTC One X, did lots of research on it and watched plenty of reviews. I was already convinced that I was going to buy it, however I went to a store to test it out today, and found out that they still had that internal storage(2gb) and external storage(now they call it phone storage)... I was disappointed. I was told that the Galaxy Nexus did not have this option anymore you could use all of the 16gb/32gb to dl apps and store everything else. The main reason I wanted to switch from my HTC Desire HD is because I only had 1gb of internal storage. I am a heavy app user, every single time I want to try a new app or update me current apps, my phone just tells me that I have low internal memory space. I had to delete my emails, my msgs, and a lot of my games. If I didnt make space in my internal memory I wouldnt be able to sync my accounts or update my apps.
Anyways I just want someone to clarify to me that the whole internal storage for the HTC One X work the same way as the Galaxy Nexus or Iphone 4S. Or is it still the same like the HTC Desire, that you can only use 2gb to store dl apps. I know that you can move games into the sd cards but widgets, emails, msgs and saved games must be in the internal storage.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the 16gb is seperated into 3 sections: the system (or OS), the 2gb app partition your mentioning, and about 10gb of free space.
the system partition cannot be touched (normally), the rest works together. the 2gb is for the apps themselves (think .exe) and can use and saved data to run the app on the 10gb (think .bin).
In other words, an app on the iphone is say, 20mb. well that is probably a 500kb app (.exe) with 19.5mg of supporting data (.bin). on an iphone it just shows 20mb being used.
An android, on the other hand, will use the 2gb partition for the 500kb app, but use the 10gb for the 19.5mb data.
this is not true on all apps but most and all updated and new ones.
in the end, you'll have ALOT of space, just not unlimited, but what does? also note, the one x us version only has 16gb without sdcard expansion (gay). so many people will have to be smart. keep photo's uploaded to photoshop, dropbox, photobucket, ect. use google music to keep audio. use dropbox for nandroids, videos, and other big files. learn how to use vnc. if you learn all of your resources, you'll find that you have plenty of space.
reference
1gb=1000mb
1mb=1000kb
16gb=16000mb=16000000kb

This is what I am kind of upset about, if I know I am paying for a phone that has 32gb I dont want to be limited to only being able to use 2gb out of 32gb :S. Right now I have the HTC Desire HD, which gives 1gb of internal storage, I am a very heavy app user, and I have tons of email accounts. These past few months I have been deleting a lot of my apps, and deleting a lot of my emails just to update my current apps and to be able to sync my accounts. It would have been much better if it was like the Galaxy Nexus or the Iphone. Anyways thx for clearing it up for me. Now I know that the HTC One X also works like the HTC Desire HD (storage wise) I am struggling with only 1gb of internal storage, I dont think an extra 1gb will help me with what I want, especially with new apps, and more updates for the current apps.

rickywz said:
This is what I am kind of upset about, if I know I am paying for a phone that has 32gb I dont want to be limited to only being able to use 2gb out of 32gb :S. Right now I have the HTC Desire HD, which gives 1gb of internal storage, I am a very heavy app user, and I have tons of email accounts. These past few months I have been deleting a lot of my apps, and deleting a lot of my emails just to update my current apps and to be able to sync my accounts. It would have been much better if it was like the Galaxy Nexus or the Iphone. Anyways thx for clearing it up for me. Now I know that the HTC One X also works like the HTC Desire HD (storage wise) I am struggling with only 1gb of internal storage, I dont think an extra 1gb will help me with what I want, especially with new apps, and more updates for the current apps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You could always.... use sd-ext partitions?

Hunt3r.j2 said:
You could always.... use sd-ext partitions?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not for the One X there is no option for an external SD card, and even if that was the case, all the data of apps, maps, emails, msgs, apps with widget, etc all of those have to be stored in the internal memory...

rickywz said:
Not for the One X there is no option for an external SD card, and even if that was the case, all the data of apps, maps, emails, msgs, apps with widget, etc all of those have to be stored in the internal memory...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, I'm saying you do a link between /data/app and an ext partition on part of the internal storage that functions as a microSD card.
Another possibility is using a custom hboot that changes the phone to use MTP and place the virtual sdcard into the data partition, but this would require extensive changes to the phone software in the way of recoveries and Roms.

Hunt3r.j2 said:
No, I'm saying you do a link between /data/app and an ext partition on part of the internal storage that functions as a microSD card.
Another possibility is using a custom hboot that changes the phone to use MTP and place the virtual sdcard into the data partition, but this would require extensive changes to the phone software in the way of recoveries and Roms.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
"link between /data/app and an ext partition on part of the internal storage that functions as a microSD card"
How do I do partition it? and will there be a downside of doing that? i.e. slowing down the phone?
making the phone to use MTP will be the best for me ( like the GN) that way I will be able to make use of the whole 25gb for apps without worrying about the internal memory getting full.

Bump.......
the first question ever posted on our hox forum, ain't it special

SD card as internal memory - will all apps use this including system?

The Moto E 2 seems like a good phone but with a somewhat small internal memory of 8 GB. But as it has Android 6 I thought it could work by just adding an SD card as internal memory.
But I can't find a definite answer whether this additional memory will really be undistinguishable from the "real" one. Some people wrote you still have to move apps to the new memory, some even said it only works with apps where the devs allowed it (i. e. hardly any at all). Also it seems system apps cannot use the additional memory which would be another major drawback on an 8 GB phone.
Can someone who already done it please tell me how the additional memory will be used? Can system apps be moved, can all user apps be moved, will data such as whatsapp videos be moved? Thanks.

Sorry for bumping... has nobody an idea?

The phone will see the storage as one instead of two. So will the PC if you connect the phone to it.

bur2000 said:
The Moto E 2 seems like a good phone but with a somewhat small internal memory of 8 GB. But as it has Android 6 I thought it could work by just adding an SD card as internal memory.
Yes, you can add a SD card but android OS doesn't really like SD card, your media, app won't run smoothly.
But I can't find a definite answer whether this additional memory will really be undistinguishable from the "real" one. Some people wrote you still have to move apps to the new memory, some even said it only works with apps where the devs allowed it (i. e. hardly any at all). Also it seems system apps cannot use the additional memory which would be another major drawback on an 8 GB phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can move your app, game data, media (img, music, video,...) to SD card very hard but forr app/game data, it won't run 100% as it used to be on internal storage.
My recommendation is to find other phone with more storage if you want to enjoy some apps/games with big size or move all media to Sd card but app/game data.
Have fun!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

This is a phone for my mother. She needs more than 8 GB but wants a phone the size of Moto G or E. Apparently there are none that fit that criterion other than some Samsung phones and those are pricey. I like Motorola but their new 16 GB phones are all 5" or more. And the older smaller Moto X or G aren't available anymore.
As much as I disliked Steve Jobs, I 100% agree with him on his opinion towards screen size...